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    Default Re: STEALING Customers! How to do it?

    I know we always encourage new girls to search for old thread before starting a new one but this is just silly

    Fwiw as far as stealing customers from a lower % site to take them to a higher % site, I think we'd all do it if given the opportunity. I've never sat in free chat and been like hey, want to do a show? Sign up on this other site and we'll do it over there! But, one of the advantages for keeping my model name the same across the board is that it's easy to find me on twitter. If a guy from low % site A takes the time to find me on twitter and expresses interest in doing a show I will refer him to do the show on higher % site B. This isn't theft, this is a smart business practice, and I have no problem with this at all.

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    Default Re: STEALING Customers! How to do it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CourtneyRaine View Post
    I know we always encourage new girls to search for old thread before starting a new one but this is just silly

    Fwiw as far as stealing customers from a lower % site to take them to a higher % site, I think we'd all do it if given the opportunity. I've never sat in free chat and been like hey, want to do a show? Sign up on this other site and we'll do it over there! But, one of the advantages for keeping my model name the same across the board is that it's easy to find me on twitter. If a guy from low % site A takes the time to find me on twitter and expresses interest in doing a show I will refer him to do the show on higher % site B. This isn't theft, this is a smart business practice, and I have no problem with this at all.
    I agree. This is the reason (I'm assuming?) that Streamate has that rule about 'no discussing Twitter, and no exchanging contact info'. They want their models to do shows for SM members on Streamate...they don't want models persuading SM members to go join MFC and spend on there...lol. Now I'll admit that as a model on both sites, it would be nice if my SM members could just find me on MFC and spent money through there. But out of respect for SM's rules, I will not advertise other sites while broadcasting in SM public chat.
    My referral link for models to join the Boleyn Models daily pay program
    https://cammodelpay.com/ref?page=&campaign=&affToken=NDcx

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    ^Same. When I quit naked I told the guys I'd still broadcast on there one night per week if they wanted to keep doing shows with me, but if not I'd be camming elsewhere. Of course they all asked where. Since I am not allowed to name other sites I told them straight up that I'm not allowed to discuss specifics but if they want to keep up with me they can add me on twitter for updates as to when I'll be back on naked. If they choose to join any other sites I'm on that's on them, if they choose to stay on naked and only see me once per week that's okay too. Maybe it's a gray area. I don't feel bad since I've never actually said they should go sign up elsewhere.

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    Legally stealing customers would be a breach of the model contracts we sign. I don't really have the courage to steal customers because of these contracts I signed. For example mf c threatens you with a penality of 50,000$ for each single breach of the contact in respect to receiving payment offsite and doing camchat offsite. I never heard that mf c enforcec their rules but who knows when they will. Has anyone of you contractual law knowlege? Do you think that their contract will hold a a court. I doubt it because it seems entirely unfair but it's nothing more than a assuption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernClaire View Post
    Legally stealing customers would be a breach of the model contracts we sign. I don't really have the courage to steal customers because of these contracts I signed. For example mf c threatens you with a penality of 50,000$ for each single breach of the contact in respect to receiving payment offsite and doing camchat offsite. I never heard that mf c enforcec their rules but who knows when they will. Has anyone of you contractual law knowlege? Do you think that their contract will hold a a court. I doubt it because it seems entirely unfair but it's nothing more than a assuption.
    Actually even in model contracts free chat nudity is NOT allowed. Free chat shows are also typically not allowed yet the site sets up a model that free chat nudity and getting tips for it is the norm. This is why even the private only sites have adopted similar models so to speak. Actually MFC breaks it's own policies and the owner tips models that break his own rules. So umm I'm not buying the $50,000 breach of contract bit. Surely they do pick models that they'll fine but behind the scenes he promotes the free chat shows. Still with all of that said his site has one of the highest payouts out of all other top sites. 50% and up.

    I still don't understand what SM does with 65% cut off of models. Even so some models even with 35% make a killing. Could you imagine what 50% or higher would be for them??

    It's smarter to just use twitter and have guys find you there. Tweet your on one site and then tweet the other moments later. They'll figure out which one makes sense. I also not a fan of doing indy with most customers anways. I've only found a few that make that work it but generally guys that find me on let's say AW are trying to go there so they don't have to pay $5.99 or $8.00 a minute elsewhere. What I find annoying is that they still try to sit in free chat on the other site when the whole point of them finding me on AW is so they could pay, play and then go away. So looks like for some guys they are trying to be as cheap as possible yet still use the free chat sites to do all of that free attention and talking.

    Going forward I think I'll keep guys right where they are for it seems to serve unsavory behavior. Either they act like the ones on free chat sites or they'll attempt to feel like they have some sort of hold over you if you refer them elsewhere. I'll leave a hint and play dumb rather than openly stating anything specific. Also say " google me" or "follow me on twitter" works wonders.

    In most cases I don't like mixing customers between sites. The one reason is guys will go to most sites to find you cheapest rates and then find sites that you're on with the most available free attention to sit and gab away. It's as if they felt they've paid their dues.

    Also indy clients and free chat clients don't even behave the same. Nothing is more annoying than a member trying to now privately chat me up on skype or messenger as if I have all day to indulge his need for validation. Typically on free chat site the dollar amounts are alll in his face to remind him I'm at work not there to hang out and listen to him for hours.

    One member just recently did this. He found me on AW where obviously models aren't over 3 pounds but never does privates on the site he's been chatting away at 6.00 a min. Then of course he comes back to the free chat site and sits there to talk as if he's tipped something. This is a problem so now I ignore him in free chat until he tips.

    Now if I worked SM I would want to take any guy off there but again it would depend on the rate I'm charging there and what exactly he's looking to pay elsewhere. Going from 5.99 real private rate on SM to $2.50 per min on skype may seem worth it but if the guy starts trying to steal time or haggling for more free conversation then it's more work than it's worth. This is the issue with camming in a way that makes it more resonable for the customer. In my experience they don't care about your time usually or you have to clock watch just to make sure everything is on point. When they are worried about their wallet at the per min rate they have no issues closing a private in mid conversation.

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    Default Re: STEALING Customers! How to do it?

    I think the most simple way is to say search my name Especially if you have the same name everywhere plus u have the same name on twitter tumblr etc.
    They cant even say a bad thing about you - I mean the site you r on when you say this because you never exchanged private details of you nor giving out info of other sites. Or like Google is my best friend how about you? Or it is the 21st century baby! Use the net wisely. If they are smart enough they will know what to do. And I think this way you dont need to comfront the main site you work on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    Actually even in model contracts free chat nudity is NOT allowed. Free chat shows are also typically not allowed yet the site sets up a model that free chat nudity and getting tips for it is the norm. This is why even the private only sites have adopted similar models so to speak. Actually MFC breaks it's own policies and the owner tips models that break his own rules. So umm I'm not buying the $50,000 breach of contract bit. Surely they do pick models that they'll fine but behind the scenes he promotes the free chat shows. Still with all of that said his site has one of the highest payouts out of all other top sites. 50% and up.

    I still don't understand what SM does with 65% cut off of models. Even so some models even with 35% make a killing. Could you imagine what 50% or higher would be for them??

    It's smarter to just use twitter and have guys find you there. Tweet your on one site and then tweet the other moments later. They'll figure out which one makes sense. I also not a fan of doing indy with most customers anways. I've only found a few that make that work it but generally guys that find me on let's say AW are trying to go there so they don't have to pay $5.99 or $8.00 a minute elsewhere. What I find annoying is that they still try to sit in free chat on the other site when the whole point of them finding me on AW is so they could pay, play and then go away. So looks like for some guys they are trying to be as cheap as possible yet still use the free chat sites to do all of that free attention and talking.

    Going forward I think I'll keep guys right where they are for it seems to serve unsavory behavior. Either they act like the ones on free chat sites or they'll attempt to feel like they have some sort of hold over you if you refer them elsewhere. I'll leave a hint and play dumb rather than openly stating anything specific. Also say " google me" or "follow me on twitter" works wonders.

    In most cases I don't like mixing customers between sites. The one reason is guys will go to most sites to find you cheapest rates and then find sites that you're on with the most available free attention to sit and gab away. It's as if they felt they've paid their dues.

    Also indy clients and free chat clients don't even behave the same. Nothing is more annoying than a member trying to now privately chat me up on skype or messenger as if I have all day to indulge his need for validation. Typically on free chat site the dollar amounts are alll in his face to remind him I'm at work not there to hang out and listen to him for hours.

    One member just recently did this. He found me on AW where obviously models aren't over 3 pounds but never does privates on the site he's been chatting away at 6.00 a min. Then of course he comes back to the free chat site and sits there to talk as if he's tipped something. This is a problem so now I ignore him in free chat until he tips.

    Now if I worked SM I would want to take any guy off there but again it would depend on the rate I'm charging there and what exactly he's looking to pay elsewhere. Going from 5.99 real private rate on SM to $2.50 per min on skype may seem worth it but if the guy starts trying to steal time or haggling for more free conversation then it's more work than it's worth. This is the issue with camming in a way that makes it more resonable for the customer. In my experience they don't care about your time usually or you have to clock watch just to make sure everything is on point. When they are worried about their wallet at the per min rate they have no issues closing a private in mid conversation.
    MFC was just a example for a contract that threatens girls if they steal and I bet other sites have similiar contracts. I would not steal from MFC neither since they pay a good % and the whole site is set up in a way by the camscore algorithm that punishes you anyway if you'd steal customers since you need as much tokens per hour as possible to get a good rank and thus visitors in your room. I just would be cautious anyway when it comes to stealing customers although I understand it because it's shitty to give girls as low as 35% live streamate of LJ.
    Btw I don't think streamates keeps 65%. I think they pay a huge cut to affiliates too.

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