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    Default Is STREAMATE turning into a classless free for all?

    Lately I have been browsing streamate over a cup of foldgers.

    And it has NOT been the best part of me waking up.

    I go to MFC and I see hustle and ambition!

    I go to streamate and see DESPERATION and lack of hustle ability. Streamate is also starting to look like its filled with studio girls now..... is it turning into webcamclub or cams?
    I guess I can say Im starting to feel embarrassed to work their now.

    its one thing to work for 35% but its another thing to be surrounded by classless chicks as well, it brings the value down on the property...


    agree or disagree?

    Lets talk about it...

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    Default Re: Is STREAMATE turning into a classless free for all?

    Well, I can't really comment on streamate specifically as an expert, since I've been on streamate for less than a month lol. But honestly, I think that certain tipping systems can lead to desperation and comprimise (hence the downfall of class and dignity) since tipping in public chat can be a double-edged sword. Can tipping enhance earnings, be used as motivation which in turn serves as a springboard for creativity, new ideas, and a harder hustle? Yes, certainly! But can it also cause guys to try to get more for less, and EXPECT more for less, tempt naive/studio girls to give up the goods for mere cents in PUBLIC chat, and have an overall detrimental effect on the ambiance of the camsite as a whole? unfortunately, imo, this is true as well. Some guys are starting to depend on OTHER guys to tip and actually spend the money, because they know they can reap the exact same benefits on another tipping guy's coin. One rising phenomenon I have observed recently is that, with the popularity of tipping vs. privates that have a set rate, a lot of pimps/studios are setting up accounts that dont even use live girls but instead use recorded porn in hopes that some guys will tip ( and a few of the dumb, oblivious guys do). The rest who arent quite as dumb and oblivious get a full-on, dildo shoving, pussy-licking show. All for completely free. So... put simply... this, my friends, is not good for the future of real, hardworking camgirls like you and me. Not to be a cosmic killjoy or preach doom to world of camming, but its important that we don't overlook issues like this so that we can identify them and figure out what needs to change, and how to change it, if we want to be in control of the future of the camming business.

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    Default Re: Is STREAMATE turning into a classless free for all?

    I don't spend much time looking at many others rooms, except every now and then at some of the other US/CAN models just to see if there is anything I could be doing better in free, but it looks like we are all on the same page (clothes on, gold for requests, etc..) so I'm not changing the way I work SM one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelCummings View Post
    Well, I can't really comment on streamate specifically as an expert, since I've been on streamate for less than a month lol. But honestly, I think that certain tipping systems can lead to desperation and comprimise (hence the downfall of class and dignity) since tipping in public chat can be a double-edged sword. Can tipping enhance earnings, be used as motivation which in turn serves as a springboard for creativity, new ideas, and a harder hustle? Yes, certainly! But can it also cause guys to try to get more for less, and EXPECT more for less, tempt naive/studio girls to give up the goods for mere cents in PUBLIC chat, and have an overall detrimental effect on the ambiance of the camsite as a whole? unfortunately, imo, this is true as well. Some guys are starting to depend on OTHER guys to tip and actually spend the money, because they know they can reap the exact same benefits on another tipping guy's coin. One rising phenomenon I have observed recently is that, with the popularity of tipping vs. privates that have a set rate, a lot of pimps/studios are setting up accounts that dont even use live girls but instead use recorded porn in hopes that some guys will tip ( and a few of the dumb, oblivious guys do). The rest who arent quite as dumb and oblivious get a full-on, dildo shoving, pussy-licking show. All for completely free. So... put simply... this, my friends, is not good for the future of real, hardworking camgirls like you and me. Not to be a cosmic killjoy or preach doom to world of camming, but its important that we don't overlook issues like this so that we can identify them and figure out what needs to change, and how to change it, if we want to be in control of the future of the camming business.
    You are right. I don't feel that this new form of tipping is good for the business. Temporarily it seems awesome, especially for those making a killing off it, but I don't see it going anywhere good or being beneficial for camgirls in the long term. The more you give away for free on a regular basis, the less anyone will want to pay for it.

    At least with SM, we can set our own prices for privates, and that helps to keep the guys coming and paying, so I don't think it will every get as bad as MFC although some of the models apparently are trying to work it that way. I don't see why they just don't work MFC instead..No, actually I do..those darn camscores! They probably get more traffic on SM. I know I do.
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    Default Re: Is STREAMATE turning into a classless free for all?

    Ok maybe the top few rows on MFC show hustle but out of those 10-15 girls that site is full of the same shit you will find on any other site. You will find girls that work for their money and ones that beg and wait. On SM I chill and talk/joke. On MFC I move around do games and have fun to get them tokens. As long as I make money on SM I could give a fuck what the next bitch is doing because I am not going to do it.

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    Default Re: Is STREAMATE turning into a classless free for all?

    Exactly. If they want to play with me then they have to play by my rules. If they want someone cheaper then go find someone cheaper but don't sit in my room and bitch about my prices compared to the next girl because I will shut. You. Down.

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    Default Re: Is STREAMATE turning into a classless free for all?

    You guys all know what I think of Stream, so this isn't new...

    You also know if you've been around awhile and pay attention to my brain-damaged ramblings, that I very much predicted this as if I'm from the damn future and saw it coming....

    It will get worse. SM will inevitably be MUCH worse than MFC. There is no way this WON'T happen, excepting if SM decides to truly enforce the rules (good luck), or rescinds tipping (again...good luck)...

    The reason for this is that you have the lowest and worst forms of traffic on SM like ants on an anthill...Because SM advertises HUGELY on places which are all about FREE HARDCORE PORN, and so the worst of the lowest shit begger scumbags who would never THINK of spending a DIME on the internet for porn...Those guys...who USED to come to SM and have NOTHING waiting for them, because nudity was never allowed in open chat, so they would leave....Those guys? Are now going to start staying (and already have, and all the "where have all the beggars come from on SM" threads have already started) and the ones who do Tip to get you naked are going to get more and more prevalent and the Private will become less and less important on Stream, slowly but surely.

    And it will get faster as more MFC-like sites open.

    Sorry for the doom and gloom, but reality is what it is...inevitability IS.

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    I can't imagine anythg worst than MFC. Having 200 guys in your room and only 5 tipping. I work both and the beggars will never stop. I am not one of those girls that flash for tips and I make more now. Before the gold shyt girls were putting their pussys in front of the cam to get guys to go private. I am not a stream advocate but it works for me.

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    Yeah B, you called this one. Just like you called the AW boom and bust. It's all very sad.

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    SM is working for me too for now. I have no problems getting the guys to come private....for now. The beggars and bs'ers are so easy to spot because they all pretty much have the same game and they won't change their ways regardless of what sites they jump around to. Yes, they are increasing in numbers, but it's like that on every site I've worked because of where these sites are drawing their traffic from (like B. said).

    I remember when the crisis in Egypt was going on...IMLIVE's free chat traffic went from 3500+ viewers at any given time down to 1000 viewers or below, so yeah, there are loads of guys in countries that probably never have any intention of paying for a show to begin with. In my 3+ years of camming, I've done ONE show for an Egyptian, ONE for a Japanese guy (gosh he was so funny, stoned out of his mind), and big fat ZEROS for all those other countries but tons of traffic comes from those places.

    If anything, I would foresee sites doing away with standard/private only mode and forcing all models to work free chat, just to get the traffic to their sites. And then we all know what starts to happen from that point on!

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    Default Re: Is STREAMATE turning into a classless free for all?

    I've been on SM for a year now. I don't flash for gold, and I cater to 90% bdsm and fetish guys. I mostly see regulars. Honestly, I talk to them and I like what I do. Every single day I get guys who want to talk about old goth music and art. They get privates with me because while maybe they came to SM from a yucky porn site, they realize that a real person is better, especially one who can bring them something new and interesting.

    Just my take. I really think that even though the trend is toward tips-only sites....there will be quality guys who want a story, guys who want the one-on-one attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShellyConnors View Post
    Yeah B, you called this one. Just like you called the AW boom and bust. It's all very sad.
    OOh I want to hear about the AW boom and bust... I must have missed this thread.. curious to know.

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    ^not really a "bust" for AW. but B predicted that all of the talk about how wonderful and great AW was would make every girl with a pussy and a cam sign up, thus dividing the customers and money between more girls, making it harder for everyone to earn money. i don't work there personally, but judging from complaints from other girls in various threads, i'd say she was right. some people disagreed with her, but it came true. here is the thread:

    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthr...ight=adultwork

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    Yeah I make next to no Monet there now.

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    It's definitely more crowded, but I predict there'll be some thinning out. A bunch of the profiles have been sitting up there with zero feedback, never updated, never online. Is there any way to alert AW to inactive accounts? Or will they just sink to the bottom of the page?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    It will get worse. SM will inevitably be MUCH worse than MFC. There is no way this WON'T happen, excepting if SM decides to truly enforce the rules (good luck), or rescinds tipping (again...good luck)...


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    I'm not jumping up and down with excitement about tipping on Streamate either. Streamate and MFC advertise on tube sites, file sharing sites, and torrent sites. So they get similar traffic.

    The difference is that Streamate makes members sign up with a valid credit card before they can chat. There will always be beggars and there will be more beggars on Streamate now that they can beg for something and expect to only pay $1.

    But any registered user on MFC can chat with models. Lots of them are probably teenage boys who won't be able to spend any money for years

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShellyConnors View Post
    ^not really a "bust" for AW. but B predicted that all of the talk about how wonderful and great AW was would make every girl with a pussy and a cam sign up, thus dividing the customers and money between more girls, making it harder for everyone to earn money. i don't work there personally, but judging from complaints from other girls in various threads, i'd say she was right. some people disagreed with her, but it came true. here is the thread:

    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthr...ight=adultwork
    I don't think Adult Work can handle a huge boost in traffic. It looks like it worked as a smaller site. But the owners are going to have to redesign the site and probably get better servers and hosting.

    AW is SLOW. I was pulling my hair out in frustration when I was just trying to set up my account. It takes so long for pages to load. Never mind that it is a navigational nightmare.

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    Default Re: Is STREAMATE turning into a classless free for all?

    So, I shouldn't try to go on there? (haven't started yet)


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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    So, I shouldn't try to go on there? (haven't started yet)
    Give it a try if you want. You won't know if you like a site unless you try it I know lots of models on SW love AW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BellaBellini View Post
    I'm not jumping up and down with excitement about tipping on Streamate either. Streamate and MFC advertise on tube sites, file sharing sites, and torrent sites. So they get similar traffic.

    The difference is that Streamate makes members sign up with a valid credit card before they can chat. There will always be beggars and there will be more beggars on Streamate now that they can beg for something and expect to only pay $1.

    But any registered user on MFC can chat with models. Lots of them are probably teenage boys who won't be able to spend any money for years
    The HUGE difference in my opinion between MFC and Stream in THIS case is that MFC has a built in way to completely silence and ignore ALL non-credit card registered customers....and since deadbeats don't HAVE to register with a card, that means the Premium Users ACTUALLY spend money more often, as opposed to using the credit card just to get in the door for the free pussy. Stream makes them register, so one has no clue who is a paying customer and who registered JUST to see free porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    The HUGE difference in my opinion between MFC and Stream in THIS case is that MFC has a built in way to completely silence and ignore ALL non-credit card registered customers....and since deadbeats don't HAVE to register with a card, that means the Premium Users ACTUALLY spend money more often, as opposed to using the credit card just to get in the door for the free pussy. Stream makes them register, so one has no clue who is a paying customer and who registered JUST to see free porn.

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    I don't know, maybe I have too much faith in my fellow cam girl. But I just can't see cam girls going the tipping only route like MFC. You can make bank on MFC through tips. But they should really call Streamate Gold pennies because it is basically worthless;p

    I haven't been watching the other cam girls, so maybe I'm completely wrong. But I would hope people aren't flashing boobs all day for $1 because that will just keep you out of premium and exclusive chat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    The HUGE difference in my opinion between MFC and Stream in THIS case is that MFC has a built in way to completely silence and ignore ALL non-credit card registered customers....and since deadbeats don't HAVE to register with a card, that means the Premium Users ACTUALLY spend money more often, as opposed to using the credit card just to get in the door for the free pussy. Stream makes them register, so one has no clue who is a paying customer and who registered JUST to see free porn.

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    Well, it seems in theory like that would be better, but in practice, I get way more frustrated on MFC than Streamate.

    I can go on Streamate, get my money and not have to wear myself out with beggars. I get paying customers and on MFC it seems rare except for the top hosts who have put in a lot of time building clients. I can't afford to wear myself out entertaining non-tipping beggars and maybe spend hours with no $ coming in. My bills won't wait.

    Still watching for a viable alternative though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Dust View Post
    Are any of you ladies worries that the Streamate bubble will burst because of all the praise it's getting on this forum?
    I thought Streamate was pretty regularly trashed around these parts? (and rightfully so, I'd say)

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    SM is trashed more than praised on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BellaBellini View Post
    I'm not jumping up and down with excitement about tipping on Streamate either. Streamate and MFC advertise on tube sites, file sharing sites, and torrent sites. So they get similar traffic.
    not to mention all of the many pirating sites with like, 165,000 members who steal videos then send direct links to girls' profiles on the sites where the videos were stolen from! if that ain't the epitome of "wrong crowd" I don't know what is!

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