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    "If there were a viable alternative out there with paying traffic there would be hosts flocking to it."
    So this quote comes from a lady I respect very much. It is also just a one sentence way of putting something I hear all the time, read all the time here, and generally have heard from camgirls for years. It is also the reason why camming will probably die a nasty death, as we know camming today. It is why SM is going down the tubes and why MFC is what MFC is.

    THAT sentiment makes it possible for camsites to shit all over your heads and you will take it and come back for more... (Thank you sir, may I have another?)

    Lest you think I am solely blaming camgirls here, I'm not. Because camsites usually don't even try to truly make a meaningful relationship with their camgirls, nor do they generally pay attention to what camgirls REALLY need. But that isn't what this post is about....

    I have said (with many women jumping up and down and saying how much they see this truth) that camsites give us only ONE real thing. Traffic. We can have our own cam, we can have our own payment processor, and we can generally do BOTH of those BETTER (and with more profit) than any camsite we're on. So it all boils down to traffic. Which means it all boils down to the ONE thing I'm truly good at...promotions and advertising, and understanding the ebb and flow, the ways in which the currents flow, the ways in which traffic moves from one place to the other...These are what make Streamate "awesome"...because lord knows in every other way, they are crap...But SM sucks at traffic really...they just use the model of driving 10,000,000 cattle into the gates, and in general that makes several thousand useful ones be wandering around and spending money...But it also leaves a site that exploits women (as in trafficking), pays 35%, steals your content and posts it for their own gain, and all the other things we've discussed ad nauseum.

    So, let's say I open a site that REALLY rocks for you guys...but I'm not so good at getting traffic. (some have done this already)...How can YOU fix it?

    Well, obviously, YOU alone can't....but example here...how many here are on AdultWork? Well, it's getting less "good" because there are now HUNDREDS of new girls on there, and the traffic has not increased proportionally. But if the 50 girls HERE who are on AW all did a video and posted it on a tube site...and posted a few hotty pics on the pic post sites, and made a sexy but tasteful vid and posted it on YouTube...that would be 150 posts with HOT content that would bring paying users to AW. You would thus be promoting the place that PAYS YOU 65% and doesn't FORCE you to give content.

    Do you see? You prove SM right!! They DO need to STEAL content from you, because none of you will voluntarily GIVE it, EVEN for the place that pays you 65%! You guys could make AW into one of the busiest places on the internet...YOU ARE THE CONTENT!!! YOU are what the customers come (and cum) for!

    There will NEVER be:
    "If there were a viable alternative out there with paying traffic there would be hosts flocking to it."
    Unless you DO something to make it happen.

    Traffic cannot happen without your help. Especially for sites starting out.

    You ladies NEED to change the way you think. YOU own this business. You can giveth, and YOU can taketh away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    So, let's say I open a site that REALLY rocks for you guys...but I'm not so good at getting traffic. (some have done this already)...How can YOU fix it?

    Well, obviously, YOU alone can't....but example here...how many here are on AdultWork? Well, it's getting less "good" because there are now HUNDREDS of new girls on there, and the traffic has not increased proportionally. But if the 50 girls HERE who are on AW all did a video and posted it on a tube site...and posted a few hotty pics on the pic post sites, and made a sexy but tasteful vid and posted it on YouTube...that would be 150 posts with HOT content that would bring paying users to AW. You would thus be promoting the place that PAYS YOU 65% and doesn't FORCE you to give content.

    Do you see? You prove SM right!! They DO need to STEAL content from you, because none of you will voluntarily GIVE it, EVEN for the place that pays you 65%! You guys could make AW into one of the busiest places on the internet...YOU ARE THE CONTENT!!! YOU are what the customers come (and cum) for!

    There will NEVER be:

    Unless you DO something to make it happen.

    Traffic cannot happen without your help. Especially for sites starting out.

    You ladies NEED to change the way you think. YOU own this business. You can giveth, and YOU can taketh away!

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    Alright, I'm putting this to the test starting now

    I did start a youtube channel for myself a few months ago but have been lax about adding stuff, so I'm going to see if I can drive some more traffic to my skinvideo room.

    So let's add some more sites here. what sites are good to post vids to (and where can we get a bit more naughty than Youtube)?

    I have wanted to do things like this but they haven't seemed to work for me in the past. Way back in the day I tried to drive traffic to my Ifriends room to get the 100% affiliate cut but only ended up with guys wanting freebies.

    I lack the knowledge how to actually put this stuff into action and find the guys who will actually pay and are interested in a session.

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    Metacafe and Daily Motion for racy stuff, and Redtube and Porntube for INTENSE stuff....

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    Tube8, PornHub, YouPorn, XHamster, & SlutLoad are some other streaming tube sites it might prove fruitful to post on. Let me know your game-plan--I'm so in.

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    I really admire what you're saying but for me, making videos isn't something I can do. I try hard to keep this side of my life private and I don't want to run the risk of being found out by friends/family with the increased exposure.

    I hope that we can all come together on a site where we are treated fairly, and I would hope that I can support it in other ways

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    You wouldn't have to show your face... Just some sexy non-naked body part in move, voice...

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    Also, there are hundreds of adult forums for hundreds of diverse purposes...you can write and post links, and advertise that way...there are tons of ways to do this...make adult voice recordings...post a picture of an interesting body part with the link on it...go to chat rooms, IRC, Yahoo and talk about it and post links...

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    sounds good to me ladies

    i hope that one day we will have more control.

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    I'm working on it....really...just slow and it takes money...

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    I'm really looking forward to the outcome

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    I'm really not an expert and new to this industry but one thing that occurred to me when i was doing my research is that cam girls could really benefit from some sort of union.

    With collective bargaining a lot could be achieved. Imagine what would happen to a cam site if only 20% (let alone 50%) of the girls went on strike. Demands would be met - they would have to be or these sites would be in serious financial trouble. Their business models are based on them expotentially increasing traffic. If all the best performers were not there because they were on strike then this would have an adverse effect on traffic, cashflow and therefore profit. Everyone would have to pay their dues but it would only have to be a small amount if lots of girls joined. They could then have one person (or more) dedicated to looking after their interests.

    In an industry with no regluation this is really the only way that worker's can have their rights upheld and their legitimate grievances heard. Having said that i believe that, as camming becomes more mainstream, national governments will attempt to regulate it in some way. Currently a 9 year old could go on MFC and see things that their government would not permit them to see without age verification. EU governments would be very concerned if they knew about this (assuming they don't already). If you add in the trafficking aspect then i believe it is only a matter of time before the business model of MFC fails as national governments take a greater interest in what can be viewed on the internet for free and without age verification. People always say that you cannot police the internet but it can be done. Sites can be shut down or disrupted to the point where it no longer remains profitable for them to stay in business.

    In the meantime a union could work if enough people signed up. The power of collective bargaining should not be underestimated.

    Divided we're weak, united we're strong.

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    One moment bambalina, you said all the bad comes from the tube's and that SM is bad because traffic come from tubes. Then the solution is the models submit videos to the same tubes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChatGF View Post
    One moment bambalina, you said all the bad comes from the tube's and that SM is bad because traffic come from tubes. Then the solution is the models submit videos to the same tubes?
    Re-read her post again. We submit videos at OUR discretion. IF we choose to and in a way that we chose. WE control what content we put out.

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    I think ChatGF's point is that the conversion rate from "tubesite" traffic is very low. But, rather than promote a cam site, it's better for models to post clips with links to their twitter or other social networking account so they can build a larger fan base.

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    Ok I explain better the comment of mine:

    Of course anauthorized post of camgirls performance around is bad and I never do but that's not relevant if the big sites does as these are 1000 times more capable to distribute such videos around, I mean if I made it no one even notice, I not do it and that not make the world better.

    The traffic thing:
    All the traffic is in tubes and if there's some elsewhere, will end in tubes too soon. Yes conversion ratio from google search blogs or else is great but total guys is little so not enough.
    The tubes have million viewers but they're spread across the million videos there, some adult sites submit 1000 videos a day to tubes, so a model submitting own videos is not as effective than buy the adverts as a cam site does, also bigger the advert inverstment bigger the discount, so finally is always the same 3 or 4 biggest cam sites who take all the traffic by buy bulk to tubes.
    So to have a big effect there should be a site (union of models or else) who lists or links all of these models twitters or own ventures, but this site alone should deal one on one with the tube and pay $10,000's a month for the good advert spot, then this traffic would flood those model direct accounts seriously. But such an entity who can collect the $$ to advertize in tubes in behalf of models group does not exist so it is the same 3 or 4 big cam sites doing it not in behalf of models really.
    Most of the good customers who reach the twitters or cam sites of cam girls are being fished from linking or telling of that in myfreecams or other cam sites, from where these guys came from tube traffic again.
    I mean that's simply 1+1=2.

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    B!! How is your site coming along?
    I agree with you 100%..though I am not promoting SM in any way I do work there! Alone with their traffic, I was doing ok!

    Promoting myself on my own website/social networks as an indy performer and utilizing sm, I AM BANKING!!! The extra referral percentage of 75% on SM helps too haha!

    PLS for the love of God let me know when your sites release is expected...been hunting around for a new site to work on but they all have their quirks. I do own my own website but promote as I may it will never have the traffic big box camsites can bring me..who in turn google my name and find my site tee he he!

    Best of luck and please keep us all up to date with your site!

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    I FORGOT TO ADD ON THE TOPIC OF PROMOTING YOURSELF ON TUBESITES:

    YOU CAN USE REVVER, YOUTUBE, AND COUNTLESS OTHERS BUT GASPPP

    WWW.TUBEMOGUL.COM MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO UPLOAD VIDEO TO ALL OF THE ABOVE AND THENSOME AT ONCE!

    THIS IS ONE OF MY BEST KEPT SECRETS! BUT I LOVE U LADIES

    You must have accounts with the networks themselves but with tubemogul you upload one video, and it places it on all of the other tube sites at once!

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    ^darn it looks like they changed their site, now you must pay to use this service..sorry ladies

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChatGF View Post
    One moment bambalina, you said all the bad comes from the tube's and that SM is bad because traffic come from tubes. Then the solution is the models submit videos to the same tubes?
    You notice I accentuate YOUTUBE and METACAFE and the softcore sites, as well as blogs and forums and so on...I believe that if YOU had 300 models and they are gorgeous because you are an evil screening picky bastard who leaves the poor BBWs in the cold to die...but I digress...If you had your 300 handpicked virgin whore goddess models...(ahem)...and they suddenly all started to promote ChatGF on their own, using the fact that they are beautiful goddesses to get them FREE promotion and advertising...How quick would you see your traffic rise?

    We have no argument here...I also do not think I am an extremist..I see things in shades of gray and not black and white...advertise on tubes...sure..but they should be a small percentage based aspect of your promotion cycle..in other words PROPORTIONAL...

    These ladies can do tubes yes, but they can also do twitter and facebook, blogs and forums, steal from other cam sites...chat in popular chat rooms, etc...there is so much for them to be able to do to make YOUR site or SV, or my upcoming site, or any site like AW that pays them well, to make them explode...what if 1000 camgirls did this for weeks on end...AW would explode...you be jealous and drooling (yes, even moreso than now) for that kind of promotion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by boobygirl View Post
    I'm really not an expert and new to this industry but one thing that occurred to me when i was doing my research is that cam girls could really benefit from some sort of union.

    With collective bargaining a lot could be achieved. Imagine what would happen to a cam site if only 20% (let alone 50%) of the girls went on strike. Demands would be met - they would have to be or these sites would be in serious financial trouble. Their business models are based on them expotentially increasing traffic. If all the best performers were not there because they were on strike then this would have an adverse effect on traffic, cashflow and therefore profit. Everyone would have to pay their dues but it would only have to be a small amount if lots of girls joined. They could then have one person (or more) dedicated to looking after their interests.

    In an industry with no regluation this is really the only way that worker's can have their rights upheld and their legitimate grievances heard. Having said that i believe that, as camming becomes more mainstream, national governments will attempt to regulate it in some way. Currently a 9 year old could go on MFC and see things that their government would not permit them to see without age verification. EU governments would be very concerned if they knew about this (assuming they don't already). If you add in the trafficking aspect then i believe it is only a matter of time before the business model of MFC fails as national governments take a greater interest in what can be viewed on the internet for free and without age verification. People always say that you cannot police the internet but it can be done. Sites can be shut down or disrupted to the point where it no longer remains profitable for them to stay in business.

    In the meantime a union could work if enough people signed up. The power of collective bargaining should not be underestimated.

    Divided we're weak, united we're strong.
    Hey! Why didn't I think of that!

    We should have a forum for the Camgirls Union...hmm...what should we call it???

    I got it!!

    Camgirls-United and make it a dot com and we're good to go...I wonder what happens if you type that in...with the dash...

    Anyway, we could even have chats every friday, saturday and sunday night!!!

    Gosd..this is sounding better all the time...I mean shit, we could even OPEN a COLLECTIVE cam SITE!!!

    Luv y'all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    I think ChatGF's point is that the conversion rate from "tubesite" traffic is very low. But, rather than promote a cam site, it's better for models to post clips with links to their twitter or other social networking account so they can build a larger fan base.
    I think camgirls should do THAT too....I think they should submit vids for their web pages, I think they should blog about it all, I think they should do the whole spectrum of promotions for themselves and their stuff... However, this isn't the point here...the point here is that these girls are stuck on Streamate, being paid 35%...and YOU AND I, have already discussed that SM and others are valuable in one REALLY MEANINGFUL way...Promotion....In fact when last we left off my unworthy nemesis, you were espousing why you thought camgirls DID NOT own ANY aspect of their customer, and it was low-down stealing which you compared to a sleazy ghetto for them to take customers to an independent forum for camming... Thus you must excuse me if I come off a bit cynical as to your motives which tend to protect camsites...yet again...If cam girls want AdultWork to do well, they cannot just over-run it with hundreds of girls, and hope that a localized UK site will explode with traffic. Ditto our friend ChatGF, Ditto the back office feel of SkinVideo...But if women decided to do all possible harm and ickiness to Streamate, steal every customer they can, badmouth it, talk about the trafficking, the way 65% of all a customer's money go to comb-over paunchy pinky-ring wearing used car salesmen types who OWN these sites...and that all these customers should come to all the good REAL sex, the DEEP orgasms and the TRULY hot hotty girls over at AdultWork where the REAL camming goes on...well, if thousands of camgirls did that, it just might truly make AW big and SM small, and that would teach camsites that 65% BETTER fucking be possible, or you will be riding the turd-log ride down the camsite toilet... Have a nice one Slabby... B

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChatGF View Post
    All the traffic is in tubes and if there's some elsewhere, will end in tubes too soon. Yes conversion ratio from google search blogs or else is great but total guys is little so not enough.
    You're cynical and old-style...Come up to the 21st century...forget tube sites, they should be 10% of your advertising...and it should almost all be FREE! Put your ad money where it actually does some freakin' good...

    Hire my camgirl collective and we will advertise your site....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberstripper View Post
    B!! How is your site coming along?
    I agree with you 100%..though I am not promoting SM in any way I do work there! Alone with their traffic, I was doing ok!
    I want these sites to be perfect for what they are going to do...I am so sick of half-assed sites that don;t do what we need.

    I lost a programmer, I lost an investor (anyone ready to step up an drop some bucks on me? hehehe..) and now I am going at a different pace and taking a different route...

    But believe me, stuff is coming...I think the Panty site drops this week or next at the latest...

    B

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    I <3 B. Just sayin.

    I started doing some panty pics yesterday!! Just need to go get more batteries for my camera and I can finish up the pics today, and then do a panties video tomorrow!

    I love the tube ideas (youtube included). Definitely need to work on that.


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    Yah, figure out how to even minorly viral on Youtube and your future is sealed...literally...How would you feel to have 20,000 fans in your room....?

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