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    I started the Left Wing option first, while I compose my reply here on the right Wing side.

    This is not really intended for people to attack their opposite but, for opposites to stand up and state their position.

    So If your Right Wing please step up and state your reasoning, please.
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    Because I believe in the Individual.

    It is our Individual traits that define us. We are the choices we make.

    I am Libertarian.

    I am Pro Gun. I think regardless of Race or Gender our Second Amendment means "Shall not be infringed". and that is the only "license" I should require in any State or Territory.

    I am Pro Choice. Because I believe in the absolute responsibility of the Parent. I do not believe a fetus is a Child until He/She can survive outside the womb without medical intervention. I think that the Parent is responsible for their Childs actions good or bad until franchise is achieved.

    I think social welfare programs should have limits. That applying for said benefits should also come with requirements such as G.E.D. completion, home econ course work, basic first aid, office skills and ettiquette. etc. I am against generational welfare.

    The death penalty. Far more cruel to warehouse someone for decades than to do it quickly with a .22 to the head. This is in cases of unequivocal proof or confession. Why try a defendant 27 times for murder? Once is good enough for Death.

    I always vote against the incumbent. Vote them out always.

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    I agree with most of your points, though I am mixed on the death penalty. While I don't want to keep guilty alive for long, I worry about those innocent people on death row and there have been many. Even not death penalty cases. The brother of a childhood friend was sent to prison for a rape he didn't do. Because of DNA he was exonerated and I believe he was the first person exonerated because of this.

    I hate guns personally but feel it's wrong to outlaw them.

    I agree with the abortion one and welfare. I've known people who made welfare a career and that is wrong. I feel it should be a temporary problem and while receiving it people should be required to at least show they were working towards getting off. I don't support people being on longer than a year or two unless they can prove they need it and are working.

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    I do NOT believe in the death penalty. Sick and twisted justice. Meh.
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    I'm down w all of that but many of those points aren't shared by right wingers, particularly social and religious conservatives.

    I also love the concept of a very minimal libertarian government, but what kind of society would we be if we didn't take care of our own, particularly the elderly and handicapped.

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    Lets see I was standing on kindling with lighter fluid and matches............


    Gay- I have only one objection. Adoption. I can look over at my Brother who is 55, Gay, and has nothing. A hot fucking mess of promiscuous short relationships. Break ups and moves up and down the West coast. Children need order, discipline that makes sense and directs them toward positive behaviors, with a home, a warm bed, and real food to take care of physical needs. My Brother can't even handle having pets, and abandons them with each break up. So this colors my opinion.

    Gays/Women in the Military - I am against but not for your first guess................. Logistics. I was an MP, Thats Military Police except for a brief stint as an 11B in the National Guard. Er that's Infantry for those who may not have heard of the 11 bang bang MOS code. Back to my point. The contrast between MPS and Infantry going to the Field or Deployed was the amount of crap you have to haul out and set up. Infantry one tent, MPs two tents and essentially two of everything where anyone might be naked or just changing. The Military is charged with fighting Wars, not making everyone feel good about coming together. That's the Salvation Army.

    Wars- I am very Hawkish on War. I am also not opposed to absolutely ruthlessly annihilating another Nation if justified.
    If Justified. I would not bee using the Military around the world playing cop. I would not be using the Military on Humanitarian or Peacekeeping Missions. If needed because the situation is to violent the Military would be on scene to protect other .Gov and NGOs that have the experts for that sort of thing, dismantling crime networks, and disarming faction by force if need be.
    I think the Military needs to be funded to ensure that we are always one step ahead in the tech race. I think that the Military should be funded and paid so that it is a Professional organization. Not a place to keep people employed who would be other wise jobless.

    Healthcare- My priorities go to those who have a given Service. The VA has come a long way in the last few years under new scrutiny but, it is still embarrassing. Making Veterans who lost arms, legs, or eyesight in Wars for this country then charging them for Healthcare? I would of course extend this to other forms of Government Service that are not without hardship such as the Merchant Marine or Park Rangers, the FBI or Marshals. My criteria is that you risked yours, for others.
    We would have a robust healthcare system that would be the envy of the world. Congress over several generations squandered it always meaning to pay more back in later. These social welfare programs accounts should be inviolable for anything that is not a National calamity. No borrowing. This applies to pension funds too.

    Religion- I am militantly Atheist. You don't find god in foxholes either, and he is not your Co-pilot in a Humvee; the first or second time the wheels get blown off by a IED.
    I am though for freedom of religion worship anything you want anyway you want. Your free to choose your own moral center. If your moral center imposes on mine; we may have a bloody, violent, and short confrontation. Then one of us will be free to go on.

    International Community- I'll help them when we can take care of things here. Why are we building anything in any other Country when we have hungry homeless people here. Why do we allow foreign nationals to own controlling interest in U.S. companies taking profits and jobs to other Countries. The situation with these Indian gaming casinos is even worse. Sure that toyota plant employees a lot of people, just remember the real money went back to Tokyo.

    Anyhoo more later.

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    So you are against women in the military? I believe as long as a woman can do whatever her job is she should be allowed to serve. I've known many brave women in the military and I briefly served (though was injured and discharged).

    As for your brother, he sounds like a mess whether he was gay or straight. I have known gay couples who were responsible and would make great parents.

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    I'm down with a lot of your points, OP. Political spectrum quiz calls me a left libertarian though, which makes my politics pretty mixed.

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    I apprecitate why you started these threads, ArmySGT, and as you stated, "This is not really intended for people to attack their opposite but, for opposites to stand up and state their position"

    Great idea, but it's not gonna work. You and I both know that the rights are gonna come into the lefts thread and argue with them..... and the lefts are gonna come into the rights thread and do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherryBomb954 View Post
    I apprecitate why you started these threads, ArmySGT, and as you stated, "This is not really intended for people to attack their opposite but, for opposites to stand up and state their position"

    Great idea, but it's not gonna work. You and I both know that the rights are gonna come into the lefts thread and argue with them..... and the lefts are gonna come into the rights thread and do the same.
    People are seeing something in others though. We are not the polar opposite ideologues people assume.

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    Back to Social Programs and why I am against.

    Open ended commitment. These things should have limits and should uplift people not just sustain them. If it doesn't support a cure, then you will be paying for the symptoms forever. I would be happy paying for welfare if the recipients were in a classroom for eight hours a day with mandatory participation to receive benefits.

    Rent subsidies, heat subsidies, food subsidies, look to me like a bribe. Bribing a segment not to commit criminal acts, not to riot and loot, not to burden society with greater necessities in Law Enforcement and Incarceration.

    Education - I am strongly for the basics. Failing schools shouldn't have sports, music, and all that other "rounding things out" options when kids are can't read at their grade level. I think schools, School administration, and Teachers should be held responsible for the end product. Parents aren't out of the blame loop on this either. If you have a child failing then after school hours that teacher and that parent ought to be right their tutoring that child.
    Parents are absolutely responsible so if the kids are truant then child and parent should be incarcerated probably together. 23 hours a day in the same cell ought to cause some bonding.
    Tenure and teachers Unions- first I am against Unions in Civil Service. Government shouldn't be extorted for more pay and benefits by its own bureaucracy. I understand fully people should be paid their worth, but if your not being paid your worth, the option is to move along. Their should not be huge obstacles to dismissal in any job. If someone is not effective at their job you should be able to demote them or remove them.
    For accountability, I do like the use of testing Proctors. The teachers teach, and the proctors test. The teachers don't know what is in the tests, only the proficiencies the the education board has laid out as the goals for that grade level. Passing the test, the child advances, and the teacher receives positive marks. Failing the test, the child remains, and the Teacher receives negative marks. This leads to a demonstrable measurement for the effectiveness of a given teacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Because I believe in the Individual.

    It is our Individual traits that define us. We are the choices we make.

    I am Libertarian.
    Not all of your comments reflect this.

    I am Pro Gun. I think regardless of Race or Gender our Second Amendment means "Shall not be infringed". and that is the only "license" I should require in any State or Territory.
    Guns are a necessary safeguard against tyranny.

    I am Pro Choice. Because I believe in the absolute responsibility of the Parent. I do not believe a fetus is a Child until He/She can survive outside the womb without medical intervention. I think that the Parent is responsible for their Childs actions good or bad until franchise is achieved.
    This is a difficult one for me. On one hand, a fetus is a human life and the taking of human life is a crime. On the other hand, I don't believe myself or the government should decide on behalf of individuals concerned on this issue.

    At what stage do you believe the fetus can survive outside the womb? Premature babies have survived. Where do you draw the line? The parent's is responsibility for the actions of the child does not justify them taking the life of their child, in the womb or out.

    I think social welfare programs should have limits. That applying for said benefits should also come with requirements such as G.E.D. completion, home econ course work, basic first aid, office skills and ettiquette. etc. I am against generational welfare.
    How limited? You can never have a little government intervention because it always increases to became a lot of intervention. The government intervenes, usually makes the problem worse, then uses that to justify more intervention, either in the same area or another area which was affected by the initial intervention in that area.

    Conditions placed on receipt of welfare, while justified, are actually one of it's evils. In return for government help, you must submit to government obligations. Note: government obligations. You are assuming the obligations are intended to make the recipients responsible to the people, who indirectly fund them. But the government will decide the form of the obligations in it's own interests, not those of the people, and that will have harmful social effects of it's own. This is the whole problem with socialism or big government: the government acts in it's own interests, not those of the people, and even when it does try to serve the interests of the people, it does it badly.

    The death penalty. Far more cruel to warehouse someone for decades than to do it quickly with a .22 to the head. This is in cases of unequivocal proof or confession. Why try a defendant 27 times for murder? Once is good enough for Death.
    You are assuming a perfect legal system. But say you were wrongly convicted, which we know often happens. Would you prefer to be executed or to go to prison, knowing that there is a possibility that the conviction could be overturned? Would your family prefer that you be executed or would they at least like to be able to visit you in prison? What constitutes unequivocal proof? What if the defendant confesses for some reason other than he is guilty, say to protect another person? There are more "what if's" raised here than I can list, but you get the idea.

    I always vote against the incumbent. Vote them out always.
    Vote out one party so the other gets in? They are both exactly the same as one another. They are willing to wait a few years to possibly get back in office again, by which time the winning party has advanced and installed for them some of the same policies the losing party would have tried to install themselves. They like the practice of voting for "the lesser of two evils" or voting the other party in to "punish" the incumbent, because it means they always have a chance of getting back in, many times and it means the system which both parties advance is never upset. And when the incumbent loses he is rewarded by all the wealthy elites he fronted for with highly paid positions on corporate boards or some United Nations body or other elite organization. Voting them out is effectively a promotion.

    The real answer is to fire all the crooks for good and hire somebody who will represent YOU. When the person you voted in acts in his own interests and against yours, you fire him. You keep on doing that until the crooks realize politics is not for them. You shame the politicians like you do any other bad employee or criminal, instead of cynically participating in their pretense that they are real politicians who are fit to be voted back in. By voting either party back in, you give them credibility. This is just the same, common sense principle an employer follows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flickad View Post
    I'm down with a lot of your points, OP. Political spectrum quiz calls me a left libertarian though, which makes my politics pretty mixed.
    With respect, if you need a quiz to tell you your political stance, you don't have one. A stance should be based on a coherent and cohesive set of principles, not disparate opinions or leanings on various individual issues which you can tick off columns and tally a score on. You also don't know what political perspective the person who devised the quiz based it on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    We would have a robust healthcare system that would be the envy of the world. Congress over several generations squandered it always meaning to pay more back in later. These social welfare programs accounts should be inviolable for anything that is not a National calamity. No borrowing. This applies to pension funds too.
    How would we? Should be inviolable but it ain't, because squandering is what government naturally does with other people's money. That's the whole reason government health care or welfare should not be relied upon: it can't manage. Those strong individuals you mentioned up top should be able to provide their own health care and there have always been charitable individuals willing to provide it for those who can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Because I believe in the Individual.

    It is our Individual traits that define us. We are the choices we make.

    I am Libertarian.
    Then you're not right wing yes? I'm registered independent, have been a card carrying (literally) Libertarian, and vote on issues vs party most of the time, and or have voted Libertarian.

    I'm pro gun/pro self defense/pro liberty (all the same to me!)
    Pro choice
    Pro Gay rights
    Pro legalization of most drugs
    pro legalization of prostitution

    Nothing right wing about those positions (other then the 2A position) and like a Libertarian, all about the individual taking responsibility for themselves, and as long as their activity includes/involves consenting adults and does not interfere with my Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, none of my damn business or yours (not you personally, the collective yours).

    I believe unless the state can show a compelling reason to interfere for the greater good (such as childhood prostitution, etc), they have no business telling anyone what they can do with their body, their lives, etc., such as banning gay marriage, prostitution, etc.

    I believe the law of the land is the US Const, not the Bible, regardless (and there's plenty of debate on it, but moot in my view anyway) of some of Const being based on "Christian values."

    Had the Founders wanted the Bible to be the law of the land, they wouldn't have written the damn Const.

    Thus, whether or not for example the Bible condones gay marriage, gay relationships, etc, I can find no such thing in the Const, which trumps all other documents.

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    Ladies and Gentlemen, curious guests, sock puppets, and spectators all.

    The point of each of these threads was for persons to stand up and state their position on any subject and how they lean to the left or right because of it.

    There are enough threads to actively debate anything. Lets see what anothers starting point is shall we.

    So lets leave off debating in these (now) three fine threads and see if anyone can succinctly and eloquently state their philosophical and moral position.

    stand up and preach but everyone gets equal time on the street corner without interruption, please.

    This will be re-posted in each thread.

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    Well as I see it the definition of Right Wing Extremism is way off, and totally wrong.

    Fascism is a sub-set of Socialism and truly on the Left end of the spectrum. There for Far Right Extremism would really be Anarchy as it is the absence of Rule.

    I want to remove Rules and promote self. Success or Failure is Ones own business.

    My choice for Law would be to enact Laws that limit the Federal Government and promote individual Freedoms. Cut it back to being the arbitrating body between States and Foreign Powers.

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    ^Actually, Anarchy is traditionally considered to be part of the radical Left, and Fascism is traditionally considered Far-Right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Ladies and Gentlemen, curious guests, sock puppets, and spectators all.

    The point of each of these threads was for persons to stand up and state their position on any subject and how they lean to the left or right because of it.

    There are enough threads to actively debate anything. Lets see what anothers starting point is shall we.

    So lets leave off debating in these (now) three fine threads and see if anyone can succinctly and eloquently state their philosophical and moral position.

    stand up and preach but everyone gets equal time on the street corner without interruption, please.

    This will be re-posted in each thread.
    See, I told you. And asking people to not argue does virtually nothing either. I still give you props for even starting these threads, I'd never have the balls (or the patience) for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemaiden04 View Post
    ^Actually, Anarchy is traditionally considered to be part of the radical Left, and Fascism is traditionally considered Far-Right.
    Sure everybody's has seen that written somewhere. who wrote it down first? Who made that tradition?

    Pravda.

    The difference between Communism and Fascism as forms of Government, since both are for the greater good of the State is that while each sets goals and determines products and outputs in Fascism allows private ownership of the factory.

    Why are Anarchists considered Left wing then? Well, there are never really all that many Anarchists around. So they piggy back on any kind of protest around to further their aims of dismantling Government. The were placed in this category by the NAZIs along with Labor Unions, dissenters, marxists, and what ever could be demonized for rebelling against Party Ideals.

    I challenge what I read.

    This comes at a time when propaganda was particularly effective. there was only newspapers and radio. Usually controlled by the State. The effects of the depression were still felt everywhere with a small middle class and large poor underclass that were simply poorly educated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherryBomb954 View Post
    See, I told you. And asking people to not argue does virtually nothing either. I still give you props for even starting these threads, I'd never have the balls (or the patience) for it.
    We can only ask. You do what you can, when you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    With respect, if you need a quiz to tell you your political stance, you don't have one. A stance should be based on a coherent and cohesive set of principles, not disparate opinions or leanings on various individual issues which you can tick off columns and tally a score on. You also don't know what political perspective the person who devised the quiz based it on.
    Actually I do have one, but it borrows bits and pieces from various philosophies and so was hard for me to put my finger on a label. Most people vary as to their leanings on different issues, so by your definition, almost no-one has a political stance.

    Also, who are you to tell me whether I have a stance or not? These threads are for members to air their views and are not debate threads and/or forums for others to pick those views apart. You can debate elsewhere but stick to airing your own opinions here as opposed to jumping on those of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    Guns are a necessary safeguard against tyranny.
    That's not true. There are a number of free and democratic countries that have gun control laws. The population in Afghanistan is one of the most well armed on the planet, but this did not stop the Taliban from setting up a brutal dictatorship.

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    Guns were a necessary safeguard against tyranny in the 1700s, now the government has tanks and planes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    That's not true. There are a number of free and democratic countries that have gun control laws. The population in Afghanistan is one of the most well armed on the planet, but this did not stop the Taliban from setting up a brutal dictatorship.
    The media illusion is that Afghanistan is one homogenous country with an Afghan National identity. absolutely wrong. Truth is the Taliban did not control all of Afghanistan as the Northern alliance proves. Those many tribal areas lived completely without taliban rule. Guns in the hands of regular people made that possible.

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