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    ^ Ah, I see what you're saying. So if stripping didn't have the drama and the myths circulating about it, it wouldn't be as large a money-maker? I'd agree.

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    This thread has gotten into "Tyra hate" which believe me, I get. What I was super interested in was what some of the posters; DesuvsDeath, charlie61, The Contessa , Buffy Flame: wow very nice) and some others touched on the part about "just because you want to do it and like it doesn't mean it's not self-destructive"

    Thing is for the most part, acting and modeling aren't really seen as self destructive all by themselves, with stripping and strippers -there seems to be an underlying self destructive vibe, ya know? (btw; I have danced for many years, sometimes I did like it, sometimes I had to pay the bills etc..)



    From this point on let's assume that we all hate Tyra and think Sasha Grey is hot; no need to discuss this lol

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    [QUOTE=charlie61;2085649]For the first 1-2 years of stripping, I loved it.

    For the 3-4 years of stripping, I felt like I was selling pieces of my soul for $$$.

    Just got my answer to the question of why^^^ why was it so draining emotionally? Do you think this because you weren't able to "detach" like a lot of girls do?

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    Do not misquote me sexandgrammar to make it look like im being rash to prostitutes. Theres a difference between a HOOKER who stands on street corners , and a high rate escort getting taken to fancy places.
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    [quote=Camateur;2085678]
    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    For the first 1-2 years of stripping, I loved it.

    For the 3-4 years of stripping, I felt like I was selling pieces of my soul for $$$.

    Why; this is pivotal explain!
    Around my second year, I became very competitive in the club. I quickly became the top earner, despite the fact that I'm naturally extremely introverted (that is, I lose energy through interactions with people..it costs me an insane amount of emotional effort to sustain that amount of energy for even just 8 hours a week). My earnings shot up.

    Once the recession got going, the girls in my club started offering extras. As a result, customers started assaulting me physically and emotionally--because they either wanted me to do more or decided to try to take more from me. Selling dances became harder and harder, but I continued to be a top earner. No one at the club had my back. I was dealing with new girls coming into the industry thinking they could live off of coke, vodka, and sucking dick in the back room. The nice little neighborhood club I had started dancing in was falling down around my ears, but no one cared.

    In order to sell dances, I would make intense emotional connections with every single one of my customers. I was huge on eye contact, listening, and digging beneath peoples' party moods (which I could never relate to) to hear the humanity lying underneath. This made me very successful, despite the fact that I was giving no-contact dances in a club that was turning into full contact. Knowing what I was walking into every night was a nightmare. Trying to psych myself up with music, trying to muster that energy week after week...And the pressure I put on myself to be the best was extraordinarily intense. And being a full-time student on top of that was just exhausting. I started getting very afraid that I would never be able to leave the industry.

    So...all of that combined...burned me da fuck out.

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    ^^ That scares me , Im scared im going to get going good , then get a HUGE break down.burn out , and leave with no back ups. Im currently in school for hair , and webdesign , But i wont be able to continue if i have to quit stripping.
    Im a NO extras girl , never smoked , never drank , never did 1 drug in my life. But Im VERY driven , to money.
    i Know the industry wont effect me , but im scared being as straight edge as i am , I wont do well Im prepared to hustle my little legs off though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyFlame View Post
    ^^ That scares me , Im scared im going to get going good , then get a HUGE break down.burn out , and leave with no back ups. Im currently in school for hair , and webdesign , But i wont be able to continue if i have to quit stripping.
    Im a NO extras girl , never smoked , never drank , never did 1 drug in my life. But Im VERY driven , to money.
    i Know the industry wont effect me , but im scared being as straight edge as i am , I wont do well Im prepared to hustle my little legs off though!
    Just use that fear to drive you to save your money. Save, Save, Save. Every dollar you save is a dollar you'll have to fall back on in case you burn out.

    The vast majority of women do burn out in this job, even if they keep doing it to pay the bills. Saving money gives you the choice to stay in the industry or leave it when you need to do so. Money is power.

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    I quit when I started considering drinking on the job to get through the nights. That's not why I quit, but it was evidence to me that I was harming myself by continuing to dance.

    I'd spend three days before work obsessing over dreading it, and I'd spend three days after work recovering from the experience. Every day now, I'm thanking myself for saving my money so intensely back when it was an easier job for me (I used to work 2-3x/week).

    Again, this was just my honest experience. I'll defend stripping and sex work to the death, because it's all about choice...and I really think most other jobs are destructive in different ways. Most jobs have that give and take. So when people target sex work specifically as being problematic, my claws come out!

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    [QUOTE=charlie61;2085686]
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    Around my second year, I became very competitive in the club. I quickly became the top earner, despite the fact that I'm naturally extremely introverted (that is, I lose energy through interactions with people..it costs me an insane amount of emotional effort to sustain that amount of energy for even just 8 hours a week). My earnings shot up.

    Once the recession got going, the girls in my club started offering extras. As a result, customers started assaulting me physically and emotionally--because they either wanted me to do more or decided to try to take more from me. Selling dances became harder and harder, but I continued to be a top earner. No one at the club had my back. I was dealing with new girls coming into the industry thinking they could live off of coke, vodka, and sucking dick in the back room. The nice little neighborhood club I had started dancing in was falling down around my ears, but no one cared.

    In order to sell dances, I would make intense emotional connections with every single one of my customers. I was huge on eye contact, listening, and digging beneath peoples' party moods (which I could never relate to) to hear the humanity lying underneath. This made me very successful, despite the fact that I was giving no-contact dances in a club that was turning into full contact. Knowing what I was walking into every night was a nightmare. Trying to psych myself up with music, trying to muster that energy week after week...And the pressure I put on myself to be the best was extraordinarily intense. And being a full-time student on top of that was just exhausting. I started getting very afraid that I would never be able to leave the industry.

    So...all of that combined...burned me da fuck out.
    ^^Wow this is probably the closest anyone's come to verbalizing what I went through myself. (I'm an introvert as well) Did you ever try going to a different club in hopes of a different extras girl to dancer ratio? Not that this would solve everything you took issue with..

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    ^^ It is , And good for me , saving is the ONE thing im good at.
    Haha it takes allot for me to spend 1 dollar.
    Some call me greedy , i call it planning ahead.
    Im expecting the burn out , I just hope its not SOON =P
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    [quote=Camateur;2085700]
    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post

    ^^Wow this is probably the closest anyone's come to verbalizing what I went through myself. (I'm an introvert as well) Did you ever try going to a different club in hopes of a different extras girl to dancer ratio? Not that this would solve everything you took issue with..
    I did try to switch clubs. It helped to refresh me for a month or so, but then all of the issues came flooding back. Even the little stuff, like the guys who would scoff at the fact that I was an English major ("Hyuckhyuck! Whattareyougonna do with that?"), just made me insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyFlame View Post
    Like , Well , I made Great money stripping , But i can make BETTER money prostituting! This is mostly for people who have really really high cost addictions , such as heroin , cocaine, ect. Needs the money fast and dosnt care how.
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    Did you just say that prostitution is "mostly for people who have [drug] addictions"? Really?
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    Do not misquote me sexandgrammar to make it look like im being rash to prostitutes. Theres a difference between a HOOKER who stands on street corners , and a high rate escort getting taken to fancy places.

    I'm sorry, how did I misquote you? What you said, and then the way you qualified it, seems to be really, really demeaning to prostitutes, high- OR low-end.

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    several issues came to mind from Tyra's comments ...

    A - she is perpetuating / expanding the 'Hollywood Stripper Stereotype' that exotic dancers are lying, thieving, drug addicted whores. This does every exotic dancer a dis-service, especially if / when the day comes when they wind up in front of a judge and jury

    B - no exotic dancer dances because of a sheer love of it. If that were the case, I want to own the club where all of the dancers are 'volunteers' who don't expect a share of customer private dance money !!! Even though many girls enjoy some aspect of exotic dancing, and even though some dancers aren't 'mercenary', exotic dancing is still a 'profession' and the prime motivator is still money.

    C - as to 'stripping' supposedly having lost its artistry compared to modeling and acting, I would argue that this is the direct result of the blurring of actual exotic dancing with the utilization of 'stripping' as a de-facto cover for ITC prostitution in recent years.

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    I like Tyra Banks. Sometimes. When she's not talking. I think she was too judgmental and talked down on women on her show, specifically the sex industry one. Not everyone was born 6 feet tall and had the opportunity to do what she did. So it's easy for her to talk about what someone shouldn't be doing, because she has money. If only she could take a step back, and imagine what it's like for us people who aren't millionaires. It's like she tried to make the women feel guilty for what they were doing. Yeah, it may not be the best job in the world, but bills and shit have to be paid. People have kids. I remember one episode, there was a girl on there who was going to college, taking care of her daughter, and was a stripper. Tyra kept insisting, "Wouldn't it be better if you had a part time job?" and blah blah. Of course in Tyra's mind, a part time job is better than stripping. Even though she has no kids, has money on top of money around money, and just has no idea what it's like to be a person with a low income job. So to her the solution is simple. But to that stripper, a part time job just doesn't cut it. I didn't like how she would try to belittle people on her show and try to get her point across, and yet she doesn't have to worry about making at least $200/day to make sure her bills are paid. At least Oprah wasn't judgmental. She seems more understanding to peoples differences cause she's had a rough life. But anyway, I'm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveyonetwo View Post

    How much did you work once the recession hit? You said 2-3x/week pre-recession... so I'm guessing like 5x a week post-recession? Was the fact that the money dried up what really burned you out? Do you think that, if you were still making the same amount of money, you wouldn't have burned out nearly as bad?
    I started working once a week after the recession really hit. And my earnings went WAY up after my second year.. So I was actually making much more money during the 3rd and 4th years (when I burnt out). Money had very little to do with it, except for the fact that I had to put more effort in to make that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexandgrammar View Post
    I'm sorry, how did I misquote you? What you said, and then the way you qualified it, seems to be really, really demeaning to prostitutes, high- OR low-end.
    Sorry , You're right , You didn't mis-quote me , You quoted exactly what i said , You just twisted it into something its not.
    I never said i frown or point my nose up at hookers, or prostitutes, As a person who basically sells her body , Even if its not for sex, Just the imagination , im not qualified to do that.
    BUT..
    As for people assuming I personally am a prostitute , Just because im a cam-girl/stripper
    (Cam girls are considered prostitutes to some extent.)
    I dont not prefer people thinking i have sexual relations with my clients with any
    other form except in fantasy...
    Because i dont , and I dont get payed that much either.

    And on other not , I am also married , so i guess thats where me even giving a damn comes from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaramelLeche View Post
    I like Tyra Banks. Sometimes. When she's not talking. I think she was too judgmental and talked down on women on her show, specifically the sex industry one. Not everyone was born 6 feet tall and had the opportunity to do what she did. So it's easy for her to talk about what someone shouldn't be doing, because she has money. If only she could take a step back, and imagine what it's like for us people who aren't millionaires. It's like she tried to make the women feel guilty for what they were doing. Yeah, it may not be the best job in the world, but bills and shit have to be paid. People have kids. I remember one episode, there was a girl on there who was going to college, taking care of her daughter, and was a stripper. Tyra kept insisting, "Wouldn't it be better if you had a part time job?" and blah blah. Of course in Tyra's mind, a part time job is better than stripping. Even though she has no kids, has money on top of money around money, and just has no idea what it's like to be a person with a low income job. So to her the solution is simple. But to that stripper, a part time job just doesn't cut it. I didn't like how she would try to belittle people on her show and try to get her point across, and yet she doesn't have to worry about making at least $200/day to make sure her bills are paid. At least Oprah wasn't judgmental. She seems more understanding to peoples differences cause she's had a rough life. But anyway, I'm done.
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    I didn't like how she would do games with prizes , and if the person lost , she really wouldn't give them a prize...

    Wendy would have. lol
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    Tyra can suck my duck till it quacks
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