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    Having finally learned what PL means, and seeing how often it gets thrown around here had me wondering, do you consider all patrons pathetic losers for going to a club?

    Money aside, obviously different guys go for different reasons. Does that even register or matter to a dancer?

    Me, I'm an occasional patron at best. Of course I enjoy the view, but I'm not there hoping to get laid or hump some working girl's leg in the booth. What I enjoy other than the overpriced, watered-down drinks and ear-blisteringly loud three-minute songs is being hustled. I mean being hustled well mind you, just playing the game a little with someone who (at least seems as though) she's having a bit of fun with it too.

    I know, or have observed guys who are clearly looking to get off, or trying to mack any woman in sight, or throwing cash around to feel important (I imagine they're popular no matter how much of a prick they might be), etc., but to a dancer who's just there to make money does it matter to you at all why a guy's there?

    Of course a smart dancer probably has it figured out to hone her pitch, but that's not really what I mean.

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    PL is a term we use endearingly. Its not meant to be as horrible as it sounds

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    Default Re: Is every patron a PL?

    Hey, it's an industry forum. I'm sure I've thought of people I've worked for in less endearing terms.

    Still, curious to know if dancers think about this stuff, or care? My instinct would be that the ones who do well would, since it's all about providing what the PL in question is looking for, but I could be overthinking this and most guys' brains just short-circuit at the sight of boobies so it doesn't really matter.

    For the record I'm an ass man, so that doesn't work on me! (I kid...)

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    Yes, it does matter, and we do consider it all. Part of our job is knowing how to approach one customer vs another, and discussing technique is what stripperweb is here for.

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    ok here's what I think.

    If you find a girl attractive and want to get a dance from her you shouldn't need to be hustled hard. Oftentimes guys will say to me "you have to try harder than THAT!" and when they do I walk away. If you don't think that I'm hot enough, sexy enough, desirable enough to spend money on me without me putting in serious time convincing you that I'm worth it I don't care. My job is to make money... not to provide the best game in the club. If you don't go for a dance with me because I didn't "TRY HARD ENOUGH" then so be it. Good for the girl who plays into that and gets howevermany dances from you.

    I think that the true PLs who go in there are the ones who go in for a few drinks and don't support the women who are "hot enough to not hustle" (ie the ones who you simply look at and want a dance from) or the ones who have made hustle or both. It's our JOB to be there and get money from you. As a customer attending my place of business, if you don't get dances then you're just wasting my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luscious sadie View Post
    ok here's what I think.

    If you find a girl attractive and want to get a dance from her you shouldn't need to be hustled hard. Oftentimes guys will say to me "you have to try harder than THAT!" and when they do I walk away. If you don't think that I'm hot enough, sexy enough, desirable enough to spend money on me without me putting in serious time convincing you that I'm worth it I don't care. My job is to make money... not to provide the best game in the club. If you don't go for a dance with me because I didn't "TRY HARD ENOUGH" then so be it. Good for the girl who plays into that and gets howevermany dances from you.
    I think I may have expressed myself poorly. I don't want to make a girl beg, or demean her in any way! When I say I enjoy being hustled well, I mean I'll respond to the girl who seems like she's having fun, and doesn't feel like she's either reading off a script in her mind or openly treating me like an ATM. (Don't get me wrong, I have no illusions that that's not exactly what patrons are, it is a business after all. Just, you know, pretend otherwise for me.)

    I mean that the girl who doesn't act like a robot around me is the one who's going to get my attention. Hell, someone grabbing my tie and hauling me off is as likely to work as anything else, if it's done with style. I've had a girl walk up to me and announce that she has bills to pay and time's a-wastin', and that worked too. It was just the right pitch for my mood at the time.

    Some guys are there for other reasons, but I'm there for the game. I'm not looking for a girlfriend, I'm not expecting to get fucked, but there is a reason I'll put up with the lousy peripherals (bad drinks, loud music, etc) and spend, after all. Otherwise I'd be better off going to someplace I'd actually want to drink in, no?

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    I don't like the term PL - never have, really. I also find it hard to see how it can be used as a term of endearment. I don't mind venting about bad nights or customers, but to constantly generalise all patrons as PLs negatively affects a dancers perspective of them I'm sure. I know customers frequent these boards and understand it's a dancer's forum, but I wonder how many of them really take kindly to that term.

    Quote Originally Posted by luscious sadie View Post
    ok here's what I think.

    If you find a girl attractive and want to get a dance from her you shouldn't need to be hustled hard. Oftentimes guys will say to me "you have to try harder than THAT!" and when they do I walk away. If you don't think that I'm hot enough, sexy enough, desirable enough to spend money on me without me putting in serious time convincing you that I'm worth it I don't care. My job is to make money... not to provide the best game in the club. If you don't go for a dance with me because I didn't "TRY HARD ENOUGH" then so be it. Good for the girl who plays into that and gets howevermany dances from you.

    I think that the true PLs who go in there are the ones who go in for a few drinks and don't support the women who are "hot enough to not hustle" (ie the ones who you simply look at and want a dance from) or the ones who have made hustle or both. It's our JOB to be there and get money from you. As a customer attending my place of business, if you don't get dances then you're just wasting my time.
    Luscious Sadie, I both agree and disagree with your statement. I don't like powertripping guys who try to soak up my time or think I should bust my ass for a dollar. These men thrive on demeaning people who work in any service industry and can go and play with the buses. I'm sure these are the kind of guys you refer to.

    On the other hand, I think dancers should make an effort. Nowadays clubs have hundreds of gorgeous girls so a man isn't just going to choose a girl just because she's hot - those days are pretty much gone. I don't like it when guys play these games of making us hustle, but sometimes I've noticed it's just to check we have a personality and can keep the guy engaged (so 'playing along' might pay off). I use judgment, set a time limit, and if the guy still gives BS, I smile and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Union Jackie View Post
    On the other hand, I think dancers should make an effort. Nowadays clubs have hundreds of gorgeous girls so a man isn't just going to choose a girl just because she's hot - those days are pretty much gone. I don't like it when guys play these games of making us hustle, but sometimes I've noticed it's just to check we have a personality and can keep the guy engaged (so 'playing along' might pay off). I use judgment, set a time limit, and if the guy still gives BS, I smile and move on.
    This.

    One thing I am getting an undercurrent from some of the posters here is a sense of resentment at having to, you know, make any sort of effort at all to get paid.

    I'd like to think I do fairly well at treating others the way I'd like to be, though of course no one's offering me very good money to get naked for them. Alas.

    But really, and I direct this only to those ladies who might be said to have an over-inflated sense of entitlement, this is, as is repeated here ad nauseum, business. That doesn't just mean you need to be paid, it means you need to earn it by delivering the goods.

    I've mentioned before, I'm not in a club to get laid. I can find my own drugs thank you (and will probably share if I'm indulging). I'm not there to demean you in any way.

    Sadly, I am among the 99.99 per cent of men who are neither drop-dead gorgeous, fabulously rich nor famous, which means that I don't have to scrape beautiful women off every night when I head home. Heading to a club for me means getting to flirt outrageously with a very attractive woman who is being charming while also taking off her clothes.

    Charming + Nude = Worth my money.

    Now, others may have different formulae but that one works for me, and so I look forward to a girl who'll play. To those who seem to think that I should be dispensing hundreds for the privilege of seeing them in the raw without any other effort on their part, I can only suggest that the stage means that if all I wanted was a peek I'd get it free (or for the price of drinks, anyhow) eventually that day/night.

    So if it's just a business, be businesslike. That means be good at your job and put the requisite effort in.

    Of course if a patron is being a prick by either not holding up his end or trying to press for more than you're comfortable offering then by all means step on his balls before having the bouncer toss him out.

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    I don't like PL either.

    No every customer is not a PL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montrealais View Post
    Money aside, obviously different guys go for different reasons. Does that even register or matter to a dancer?
    Personally, I don't care WHY you're there unless it's relevant to getting your money or means I need to adjust my hustle in some way.
    Some customers are PL's... some customers aren't... but they're all customers either way and will get treated accordingly.
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    Whether or not a customer is a PL depends on what one considers the meaning of the word to be. Like every other word that gets thrown around here, there are different interpretations of what it means. Hell, there's a difference of opinion here as to what constitutes an "extra". Your mentality and behavior there determine where you fit on the PL scale, but trust me, no matter how you behave, somebody there considers you what amounts to a PL, whether they're familiar with the term or not.
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    A long time ago the term pathetic loser had a meaning on these boards-it really doesn't anymore as it is used far to often in different contexts. I actually don't recall ever hearing it in a club. I hear loser, asshole, cheapskate, dirt bag and a few other endearing terms for guys who don't spend or get too grabby quite a bit but not pathetic loser.

    A PL used to be a common term for a guy who spent ridiculous amounts money on a dancer thinking that she actually liked him. Another common term was RIL or "Regular in Love". I knew dancers who coveted guys like this as they spent tons on them and where usually too scared to actually ask the them out or ask for sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lacy Luck View Post
    PL is a term we use endearingly. Its not meant to be as horrible as it sounds
    I never used the term PL to describe anyone in a positive manner when I was a dancer.

    That being said, Montreal- no, not every customer is a Pathetic Loser. Just like any other group of people, there are assholes in every bunch, but there are some good ones thrown in as well.

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    Were the term more commonly throw around (without what some claim being a term of endearment), it might do clubs even hits to their businesses than at present.

    While I don't care what someone thinks me during a financial arrangement, I'm willing to guess that any number of other customer types disscussed as such wold be repelled or, worse, angry enough about it that it might in time lower their own standard for civility. (I suspect that this might be when dancers find themselves expected to play "fetch" or "sit up and beg." as a matter of course.)

    While I'm not interested in that dynamic, wise club owners have no doubt noticed that the golden days of stripping are long gone, and the business itself a fading one. Too many options for the hard-core pervert, most costing a fraction of the price.

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    To be honest, in my recollection, it was the men and the blues that have always used PL liberally, and at some point a few decided that all patrons should be addressed as "PL".

    The dancers have never generally been adament about referring to all of our bread and butter as pathetic, because we know they all aren't.

    Remember the term "fuckoe". That was popular in blue during the day. Really though, I would blame the men here for the proliferation of the term PL, much more than the dancers.

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    Somehow it always ends up being the man's fault!

    (I kid!)

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    ^LOL


    Well it's always seemed like customers who refer to themselves as PL's on review boards kind of do it in a "Yes, we're all paying women to give us attention, we get it, let's move on!" type way.
    Sort of a "You can't call me a pathetic loser for paying for company because I'm already doing it!" defense.
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    Default Re: Is every patron a PL?

    Well, all things considered I figure it's your board, you can call us whatever you like really.

    As for the real thing, I don't consider myself pathetic just because once in a while I'm willing to spend some money to flirt with a pretty naked girl who would otherwise be out of my league, at least looks-wise. I'm not expecting anything that isn't explicitly on the menu and I'm not a drooling slob.

    I have plenty of other reasons to be called a pathetic loser that have nothing to do with strip clubs, thank you very much!

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