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    Comment I made in another thread made me think to ask, girls, how many of you over-count (on purpose I mean), and what are the circumstances you'll do it in?

    Also, how do you keep track of number of songs? I learned to do it by baseline, but I'll usually ask a dancer to let me know every three songs so I don't have to, you know, think with too many heads at once.

    Also I'll check the time when I go into a booth (this is all with a girl I don't know to keep a correct count), since the clubs I've frequented seem to have every song last about 3 minutes, so if I've been in there half an hour you sure as Hell didn't give me 20 dances.

    How about undercounting? Do you find you do it often girls? If so, are the customers generally honest about it, or do you only realize it when their expression shows they think they got a deal there?

    I've had a couple of girls undercount and make it clear they know it. Kind of like being a "reverse tip" for being easy to handle and encourage me back, I assume. I've had one who would "stop the count" while still in the booths and ask me to rub her back and neck for a few songs. (I don't go around offering so she must really have been sore.)

    But if a girl clearly didn't mean to be giving the discount I'll point out her mistake and pay her properly.

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    Default Re: Over-counting?

    I never under-counted. I only over-counted if the guy was a total ass. Fair, square and accurate is the best way to go.

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    I don't over or under count. I don't see the purpose in giving a discount in hopes of someone returning (then they'll just expect a discount every time) and I'd feel bad overcounting. If, however, there was a douchebag customer who was trying to break the rules and he hands me more money than he should, I will just consider it a tip and not say anything. If it was someone nice then I'll point it out. I guess that makes me a little shady, but I only do it to back to shady people if the opportunity blatantly presents itself - I like to think of it as an asshole tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediocrity View Post
    I never under-counted. I only over-counted if the guy was a total ass. Fair, square and accurate is the best way to go.
    This.

    Although, while I won't over-count... if YOU over-count I'm likely to agree with however many extra songs you think we did.
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    So, basically, we're talking Asshole Tax and Stupidity Tax?

    I can go with that.

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    If they've accrued any "fines" during our dances... I'll just tell them how much they owe me..

    Take your dick out while my back is turned... HUGE fine.. bite me.. HUGE fine.. Small fines include licking me after I've told you to stop.. touching my lady parts after I've told you not to.. trying to pull my panties down ... usually this is repeatedly

    If they pull the "$300 .. we only did x dances" I do the breakdown for them quietly and tell them if they disagree with my method of punishment I'll gladly get the manager or call the police.. seeing as it doesn't matter that I'm a stripper.. I'm a human being.. we have cameras.. and what you did is ILLEGAL ..

    what's fair is fair.. no need to lie about the number of songs.. I'm an honest gal.

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    No overcount but if you overcount or hand me an extra 20, I'm not gonna return it.

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    Well, tonight I had the pleasure of being (I am pretty sure) undercounted, though I suspect it was more the dancer being really distracted (no reflection on me, she just really enjoyed her own company) than any reward on her part.

    I of course "tipped" her up to what I thought was the right count. So I don't feel like I ripped her off, and she feels I'm really generous. Win/win, since she is smoking hot and would definitely repeat with her.

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    Never exposed myself to either overcounting (or undercounting for that matter) much when I was buying dances. I quickly graduated to the 15 min room or occasional hour room and I very seldom did individual or multiple dances with a dancer I just met anyhow. The girls with whom I had ongoing contact realized they'd be risking shooting themselves in the foot trying to beat me out of a song anyhow. I did have one girl in a club I rarely visited (but still in Providence) try to charge me for 4 nude dances when I had 3 topless dances. In fairness to her, she was drunk but I told her "Take the 3 topless or call the manager right now". She took the 3 topless.
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    Most of the clubs I go to make it far more inviting to buy booths based on time rather than number of dances. This option not only offers more privacy but also eliminates the need for me to keep track-which is good because I'm very bad at counting when there is a hot naked woman on my lap. Two Mass clubs that I like are an exception to the booth deal as they only offer over-priced one hour VIP but even in those clubs I have worked out a sort of flat fee arrangement with my favs. This works on a slow weekday afternoon for both parties. Not so much on a busy day or night...

    I've never argued with a dancer when she tells me how many dances we did though, I can't remember ever thinking that her estimation was off by more than a song and I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over one song. I've been the benefactor as often as not in this sort of transaction.
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    Montreal (Quebec as a whole maybe?) seems to be booth and single dance-based, the only club I can remember offering the hour or whatnot is Wanda's, an airdance place catering mainly to business types.

    The whole concept of the $300 (or however much) champagne room simply doesn't exist that I am aware of.

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    As I mentioned in another thread, we have no flashing lights or champagne rooms, just booths with curtains.

    But it is proper dancer etiquette in Montreal when you get in the booth for her to ask "on attend la prochaine?" (Wait for the next song?) and either sit on the customer's knee, or just take her time setting down her drink or whatever. Basically not start mid-song and charge for it. The girls who just start right away are the ones I hear complaints about.

    It's just some time less than three minutes, but it's the principle of it I guess. If the girl doesn't ask, the guy is fully within his rights to expect it. If a girl starts to go right away it is likely a sign that she's going to try overcounting, or other unhappiness is what I've read and been told (including by one dancer when I asked her about it). I guess it's all just part of what makes Montreal and environs "unique"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JenniferH View Post

    Take your dick out while my back is turned... HUGE fine.. bite me.. HUGE fine.. Small fines include licking me after I've told you to stop.. touching my lady parts after I've told you not to.. trying to pull my panties down ... usually this is repeatedly
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    quite bold ain't they? Glad I keep my mittens to my side.Dancer will usually guide your hands on them long as they like you/feel comfortable barring any of the above acts. If you intend to be a regular and found a great club with a good dancer it's beneficial to be courteous. Will pay off in the future for better times....not sure if it ever reaches the "pull your dick out" privilege though but maybe a cheaper drink or i had my personal favorite always offer me some of her wings or tacos if she decided to order. and that priority over other customers is always nice(waiting's such a drag).

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    Other than saying, "This song already started," or, less often, "The song isn't over yet," I never count. I buy once dance, and if it is fun, then I buy more, up to maybe a hundred dollars more. After this, I do not count, as I depend on the dancer to try to make sure I want to buy more when the hundred is up. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I am out of money except for gas money home. I usually save enough out for a tip, and some dancers insist on dancing for it. I never insult them by saying no, and never expect it if I don't.

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    Given the way things work here I usually ask the dancer to let me know every three songs. It just saves on possible trouble later.

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    I never overcount and here's why: I worked at a club with $60 dances that had 3for 2s. Three dances for $120. And we sold the hell out of them every nite. Anyway, had a nice Arab guy who bought a string of these so we were over $500. We did one more and he got several regular dances. He kept trying to pay me again at the end and I kept telling him he already paid. He seemed drunk. Again, he pulled the $ out and started counting. I told him 3 times that we were already settled. He snapped straight up and looked me dead in my eye and said he wanted to see if I would rip him off for more when he already gave so much. He said if I took it he just would have not dealt with me again. We go sit down in club and when I go on-stage he gives me all the $ he had in his wallet and says have a good nite. He became a regular out of trust. No one likes the rip off bitch. PERIOD!
    Thank Goodness I smartened up! The old me is dead and gone.

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    ^^^^^I agree a demonstration of fairness and goodwill can pay dividends for the girls going forward. My first fave only got her foot in the door by retuning to me excess money I had unintentionally given her at the stage when she realized it was unintentional. That brought me back the following night for a promised CR. Had she not done that, she probably would not have made #1 on my list and gotten that room given the competition I'd have chosen over her the following night.
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    I usually pay every one or two songs, that way there is normally not a over-counting or under-counting problem. Win-win for every one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmarv View Post
    I usually pay every one or two songs, that way there is normally not a over-counting or under-counting problem. Win-win for every one.
    I'm sorry, did you say something? I was distracted by your avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montrealais View Post
    I'm sorry, did you say something? I was distracted by your avatar.
    Yeah I understand. Hot sexy dancers who bend over and show off there lovely assets tend to distract me also.

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    I normally don't have a problem with the counts as far as the dancers go. Issue lately is with the floor man who counts dances so club can get their cut of the dances. She says four, I say four and he says five. Why? Because he over marks others so he can undermark his girl friend on the number of dances she does so she can pay out less. Lovely, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider View Post
    I normally don't have a problem with the counts as far as the dancers go. Issue lately is with the floor man who counts dances so club can get their cut of the dances. She says four, I say four and he says five. Why? Because he over marks others so he can undermark his girl friend on the number of dances she does so she can pay out less. Lovely, huh?
    I guess calling them on it isn't a recipe for happiness either?

    Clubs here (and I have never heard of any exception) the girl pays her house fee (and whatever tipping is standard here I suppose) and keeps whatever she makes in the booths.

    Some clubs have a flat booth surcharge of $5 (I suppose some could be 10, though I've never heard of it) to use them but that is levied on the customer.

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    I over count if the guy is annoying, stupid, or grabby. And I've never had anyone catch me overcounting, oddly. I also charge $40 fees if they manage to successfully touch a boob, although that rarely happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montrealais View Post
    So, basically, we're talking Asshole Tax and Stupidity Tax?
    I'd say asshole tax is different.
    In over-counting... you're taking money without being open about the fact that it's more than usual.

    Asshole Tax is more like "Did you REALLY just try to grab my ass? Now you owe me an extra $20 for being a fucking moron."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    I'd say asshole tax is different.
    In over-counting... you're taking money without being open about the fact that it's more than usual.

    Asshole Tax is more like "Did you REALLY just try to grab my ass? Now you owe me an extra $20 for being a fucking moron."
    I think when they grab your ass it's best to do both... Overcount discreetly and charge upfront asshole tax. It's so easy to cheat scumbags

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