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    Quote Originally Posted by ukmissy View Post
    But at the kind of per hour prices being discussed in that thread - surely with the right advertising a very comfortable living could be made? 300-500$ an hour etc ?!

    I mean - I was shocked when I read the thread last week , because up until then I hadn't thought it was possible .....

    And then I stumble on this thread where everyones talking like it's a fantasy idea.
    Ukmissy, I even told you that my date did not happen. I also posted about it here on sw in three different threads how the bloke cancelled. Earlier today I met a guy from whatsyourprice and I will keep the details of that meeting to myself. Wasn't it another girl that said social escorting can be done in vegas that she got paid in the thousands just for gambling? We never said it was not possible. We are pretty much trying to say it's YMMV and don't count on it as steady income.

    There is a reason why there aren't many HOW-TOs for social escorting. However, google "Become an escort" and you'll see all the tutorials you get. I even told the girl to go for it but get ready for disappointment.

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    Midnight - I have quite a bit of experience escorting and am quite successful.

    Your thread title - Success as an ESCORT minus the sex

    Thus my response.


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    I was following that thread religiously without even posting *TG* you had me going! I was so excited to read your play by play . Ok yes that guy bailed at the last minute with the bs my mother's sick routine. That was a pretty pathetic excuse. There will always be guys that fall out of the rankings but I think that site may yield some promising results. I read some of the hateful reviews from other women on the site and thought hmm ok. Some women kept talking about how they are just horny and want to have sex for free and also talked about being "cougars" blah. I felt those were some trolls in the chatroom sense and visually as well. They ended up derailing the whole comments section in the post which was apparently their intention in the first place. Even a guy kept posting something about some bar where 85% of men get laid by cougars or some crap. I was like wow is this the bar owner or a pissed off man that would never pay for non sexual date? I also liked their video because any attractive woman that's signed up for an internet dating site has gone through the horrible task of sifting through hundreds of garbage messages. If the guy was unattractive and left some uber long message , he did usually get deleted.

    But that site seems like an option for the typical undesirable man visually , but perhaps has more to offer in "other" areas. Also obviously after clist got a beating I'm pretty sure many men would sign up here. A guy that is broke or cheap is not going to be able to do much with this site. She may meet him but if he has no money then she's walking away. I think the only problem with this is that you have to meet him to get your money and that could be a waste of gas , time and energy especially if he's either a no show, poor or demanding sex when you get there. I liked the idea of 50% upfront and 50% at the end of the date. So if if he's a complete ass he can walk out with maybe $250 instead of the $500. That would actually be pretty ok.

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    I'm pretty sure that there are men that will pay $500 just for companionship. After my luck with whatsyourprice, I know those men are not in the Carolinas.

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    First of all, an apology to anyone who misunderstood anything I posted on this subject. If I did not make myself sufficiently clear, I am sorry.
    Second, there was never the slightest intention to denigrate anyone or anything they choose to do or try to do.

    I'm going to try this one last time : It's a BIG world out there and thus there are numerous ways to separate men from their money: Table dances, lap-dances , VIP rooms all the way to the guys willing to pay dancers just to sit and talk to them. With or without "extras". I have been a consistent supporter of capitalism and free enterprise and thus anything a gal does to make a living is pretty much O.K. by me.

    As I have said, we are NOT discussing Sugar Daddy- Sugar Baby relationships. There are lots of threads on it here and plenty of sites devoted to it. Again, if a gal is a successful Sugar Baby she has my full support and respect. That includes all the variants and related activities. All I say and have ever said is : "Go For It ! Best of luck ! Buona fortuna !" OK so far ?

    The original question concerned E S C O R T I N G which in 2011 almost always involves sex for money in some form or another. Almost always. Yes it is P O S S I B L E to be a companion for hire, to sell time and companionship without providing sex. There have even been an agency or two that I have heard of over the years that T R I E D to do exactly that. Just provide companions to upper income guys. ALL are out of business. They either did not get enough business or had no choice but to go down the same road as all the other agencies and provide escorts for sex.

    Just because something is possible does not mean it is likely. A good analogy is a college football player or basketball player not just making it to the NFL or NBA but also making the Pro-Bowl or All Star Game. Possible but not very likely. And those who DO make it to ALL-STAR
    status are a cut well above their peers. Just like ultra high end escorts. Do the math and then figure out the probabilities for yourself. That way you won't have to take my word for it or anything else.

    When I said that I had a "bias" against this notion it may have been a poor choice of word on my part. What I was trying to convey were my admitted twin biases against both ignorance and wishful thinking. Because if you are actually familiar with the real world of escorting then "escorting without sex" is facially a classic oxymoron. I also admit that I am troubled every time I read a post from some ignorant youngster on here who seriously thinks that such a thing is a sensible and realistic career choice . Do a search and read them for yourselves. If just one of them is caused to stop and think and then start READING and educating herself about the real world of escorting, then it's worth any negativity directed my way. Call me a worrywart but I just have this vision of some starry eyed young woman who barely finished high school falling into the clutches of an agency owner who sells her a bill of goods about what escorting is. I am sure that has happened. A LOT !

    Just as luck often plays a role in someone making it to the Pro-Bowl or All Star Game, I would argue it is almost an essential element in anyone actually being successful as a non-sexual escort. Yes, research, hard work, shrewd marketing etc. might, repeat MIGHT , make it possible for someone to pull it off and make a consistent living. I still say luck would almost have to be a big part of that equation too just because of the odds involved. I already broke down the rough numbers involved comparing the potential customer base and the potential number of providers. Can anyone seriously say that those kind of odds are not daunting, to say the least ? !

    Just the construction of a marketing plan and means of advertising to get potential customers alone is so chock full of difficulties as to make getting something like this off the ground very difficult if not impossible. Where would you advertise something like this ? On TER ? Eros ?
    City-Vibe ? The Village Voice ? The Personals in your local paper ? The only thing that even makes sense would be one of the Sugar Daddy sites. This is why I repeat that luck is an essential element. And you're just as likely to hook up with a guy interested in something like this by working at your regular club. Isn't that what the anecdotal posts from some of the ladies ( recounting how they made gobs of money just by hanging out with the right guy) are really telling us ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TouringGirlfriend View Post
    We never said it did not happen. We said one should not rely on it for income. You know how my first date canceled and gave me bullshit excuse. We're pretty much trying to say that the OP should do something else for steady income because social escorting will not be it.
    Good post. I see these kinds of threads pop up on this site and others every few months. I mean it's a good idea in theory, but it's a pretty unrealistic business model for making consistent income. I have worked with women who have done social escorting in Vegas (as some others mentioned upthread) but the opportunities are too few and between.

    The majority of men who hire escorts are married so they can't risk being caught gallivanting around the city with some young pretty thing on their arm. There's a reason 99% of escorting dates usually happen in hotel rooms and incall houses, behind closed doors.

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    i work in vegas quite often and have never been asked to go out gambling for pay. i also hear its apparantly illegal to accept such an offer and it could land you in jail? anyway how do you girls find guys who will want you to gamble for pay? do you just hang around dressed skanky at the casinos or do you meet them at the strip club?

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    Ok if there is all this money in vegas for social escorting (non sexual escorting), Why don't we all move to Vegas and go and social escort ourselves?? One girl said she made thousands just sitting and chatting. Ummm If I could make such my ass would be in Vegas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lagirl View Post
    i work in vegas quite often and have never been asked to go out gambling for pay. i also hear its apparantly illegal to accept such an offer and it could land you in jail? anyway how do you girls find guys who will want you to gamble for pay? do you just hang around dressed skanky at the casinos or do you meet them at the strip club?
    and escorting WITH sex isn't ? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukmissy View Post
    and escorting WITH sex isn't ? :-)
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukmissy View Post
    and escorting WITH sex isn't ? :-)
    Still get a kick out of a comment I read on another forum about escorts who dont see black men...one who wanted to point out how thats not a good idea because racial discrimination is illegal

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    Quote Originally Posted by lagirl View Post
    i work in vegas quite often and have never been asked to go out gambling for pay. i also hear its apparantly illegal to accept such an offer and it could land you in jail? anyway how do you girls find guys who will want you to gamble for pay? do you just hang around dressed skanky at the casinos or do you meet them at the strip club?
    It is ? What is illegal about it ? Gambling is legal in Vegas. So is being paid to just hang out with someone afaik.

    From what has been posted, the guys willing to pay for a gambling companion hooked up with the lucky gal at the club where she was dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    It is ? What is illegal about it ? Gambling is legal in Vegas. So is being paid to just hang out with someone afaik.

    From what has been posted, the guys willing to pay for a gambling companion hooked up with the lucky gal at the club where she was dancing.
    Some people just don't know what they're talking about, Eric. That's what it comes down to. I, too, thought it was a ridiculous comment but didn't want to say anything.

    I guess we'll have to break it down again.

    Escorting is legal
    Gambling in Vegas is legal
    Prostitution is illegal unless you're working at one of the brothels.

    *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by TouringGirlfriend View Post
    I'm pretty sure that there are men that will pay $500 just for companionship. After my luck with whatsyourprice, I know those men are not in the Carolinas.
    I'm just speculating here, but I can only think of two situations that would make a man want to spend that much without a "happy ending":

    (1) Important business/social event and lonely guy needs to make a great impression with his colleagues. You are ultra attractive, smart, sophisticated and glamorous. He introduces you to everyone as his girlfriend.

    (2) You are ultra hot and glamorous and he is taking you out to trendy clubs to meet other beautiful women. Your job is basically to help him pick up other women, bring them back to his place and get laid. They do this at: http://www.wingwomen.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I'm just speculating here, but I can only think of two situations that would make a man want to spend that much without a "happy ending":

    (1) Important business/social event and lonely guy needs to make a great impression with his colleagues. You are ultra attractive, smart, sophisticated and glamorous. He introduces you to everyone as his girlfriend.

    (2) You are ultra hot and glamorous and he is taking you out to trendy clubs to meet other beautiful women. Your job is basically to help him pick up other women, bring them back to his place and get laid. They do this at:
    Well... my point was that it happens. When I danced, I had guys that paid me just to sit with them. That is the only experience I have with that. Am I going to create a website saying "Pay me just to sit and talk to you"? No. It would be a major fail. This is something you can do on the side .. not for steady income. Thanks for the link btw. I'm going to apply to be a wingwomen.. LMAO.

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    Ive heard of that site.... While looking at job ads in Craigs I came across some listings from them looking for women to apply. Interesting concept I have to say, and Ill bet it does do well. Especially around these parts where we have a lot of intl travelers either for biz or wanting to hit up south beach and want a woman to hang out with for the night. It happens..

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    ^ Yeah, the pick up guru/date coach industry is very big and profitable.

    A wealthy guy comes to town on a business trip. He wants to go out and meet beautiful women. The easy choices are (1) strip club or (2) escort (all inclusive package).

    If he's alone, going to a bar/nigh club is not an attractive option, unless he is extremely handsome and/or a "natural" at talking to women. He doesn't know the local culture and probably feels too much anxiety about approaching women. Also, he can't brag about being wealthy or his business, because he'll come off as "try-hard" and a creepy braggart.

    The right "wing-woman" will change that and make the bar/night club the best of all three options. She will do all the approaching, make friends, invite them to the table and talk flatteringly about the guy, without him seeming "try-hard" or like a braggart. He gets to meet many beautiful women, and maybe take one home, without paying for sex.

    I wonder how this "wing-woman" concept could apply in a strip-club, i.e., a current dancer or former dancer acts as a wing-woman to help a guy pickup a dancer at the club.
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    Yay! I wanna be a wingwoman! I am gonna apply!

    I have had many guys pay me to sit and chat with them when I was dancing or escorting.

    However, many of the guys who just wanna talk when escorting were typically doing blow.

    But the thing is, I met these guys through the working the clubs and escorting, I mean they found me through that type of marketing. So if guys are looking for someone to talk to and they go thru these particular venues of marketing, I really don't know anyone would be able to market to them otherwise. It seems to me they like to know that other services are available and on the menu when they are paying.

    And most of them had no idea that they wanted to talk to me when they came into the club or booked call, they just met me and we hit it off. I doubt any of them started off their night thinking, "I just want someone to talk to, where can I pay a girl for that?"

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    wtf. i never said that prostitution isnt illegal. i simply said that i heard its so easy to get arrested in vegas that even just agreeing to gamble for pay could land you in jail. of course i know prostituition is illegal. jesus christ.
    in almost every club ive worked at they make me sign a form that says i can get arrested for saying 'you can touch my boobs for a tip' as far as i know thats not illegal but just saying it can apparantly land you in jail even if its not flat out accepting a prostitution solicitation.

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    wow if some guy had his wing woman try to befriend me in an attempt to get in my pants id run far farrrr away. i would be way suspciious of a pretty girl who talks highly of a guy yet isnt dating him. if hes so great, why isnt he your bf?

    its sooo easy to get a gf. men have sooo much power in relationships.there are soo many women out there just dying for a commited mongomous relationship

    i dont get why any guy would need to resort to this. hed have to be insanely shallow and only be going after barbie dolls in order to want to do something like that or have it work because seriously, any normal sane woman isnt going to fall for it

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    ^ That's like saying - girls have it so easy, all they do is walk into a club wearing something sexy and guys will be hitting on them left and right.

    If it were so easy for every guy to meet girls, there wouldn't be so many lonely guys in the SCs and there wouldn't be an adult entertainment industry. (Except for married-sexually-deprived people.)

    Most of the "nice" guys have approach anxiety - they cannot walk up to a stunning woman and initiate conversation and any attempt to do will be pathetic.

    I have about 9 female cousins and have always had lot of female friends. Being in the company of attractive women has always been a great way to meet more attractive women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lagirl View Post
    i work in vegas quite often and have never been asked to go out gambling for pay. i also hear its apparantly illegal to accept such an offer and it could land you in jail? anyway how do you girls find guys who will want you to gamble for pay? do you just hang around dressed skanky at the casinos or do you meet them at the strip club?
    The girls I knew who did this were cool with the concierge, usually giving them a generous "kick back" for setting up the dates. I don't know of anyone who tried to solicit business in the casinos. Doing that will get you banned from the strip.

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    If it was sooooo easy to find a gf, match, eharmony, plentyoffish, etc etc wouldnt exist. I know a lot of very good looking guys who are great catches who are single and cannot find the one for them. Why arent I with them? Its a compatibiloity thing...were either in different stages of our lives, want different things out of a relationship, have different values or belief systems...things that dont affect being friends, but would make for a very difficult or flat out wrong relationship. Thats the problem single men and women who seek a relationship face....finding the right person for them.

    Feels weird to me to have to explain that LoL

    Anyway...its true..when a guy is with a woman, especially a beautiful one, to converse and smile and talk with...it makes him more interesting than the guy who is nervously sitting by himself with no one to talk to. And unfortunately, approaching a girl isnt that easy, I know around these parts (and Ive been guilty of this) a girl will flash a "dont dare come over here" glance...hes knocked down before hes even started. But when a woman is there, hanging talking, strikes up convo with another woman and makes him part of the convo...the guard isnt up. That has happend to me while out with a friend without even meaning to...

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    I tried it when I was 19ishfor like...a day. The money was f'reakin awesome. I think I made about 1,700 by the end of my first day. This was in Palm Springs though...and around 6 years ago, so who knows what the business is like now?

    I was strictly no sex--but as much as the agency may tell you that, girls are fucking the shit out of these customers. In my first day of work I got:

    1. Slapped by my first customer when his time was up and it dawned upon him that I was serious about not screwing him.
    2. Pushed up against the wall and choked by some guy who was obviously strung out on something for again, not putting out.
    3. The driver asked me how much I charged for a blow job.

    I never went back. Great money, but it just wasn't worth it to me anymore.

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    Wow I started escorting when I was 19. Even though they said no sex I knew escorts had sex. So I fucked the shit out of my clients and it all worked out for me at the end. It was fun and I'm doing it all over again but indy . Fucking is fun........especially when you're getting paid for it.

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