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    Mind Blowing SM performers doing it all in free for Gold...

    So i have seen lots of performers on SM doing it all in free lately, i mean penetration and all for Gold. I thought that was not aloud in free? I personally think that if it works for them,great but its kind of annoying how i am getting so many guys come into my room trying to get me to do the same thing. I don't think its worth it at all. i mean yes these performers might be making some money but so many guys are getting the show for free. looks like 2 or 3 guys tip and like 50 or more get to watch a free show and then those guys are gone for the day when maybe these 50 or more guys could have been someones potential paying client.

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    I'm a performer on SM and I have never had a problem making money. I don't care what the girls do in their rooms, that's them. Same thing as MFC: Some girls give it all for free and some wait till they're in private to do a nude show or wait for tips to flash or whatever. Well it's the same thing. This is something that I see a lot of ladies complaining about but it really does not bother me. I know I will make money regardless.

    Look at the free tube sites. They've been out for awhile now but guys still come and buy webcam shows. They already have access to free porn but there are a lot of men that don't mind paying for our time. It says a lot. If a guy likes you, he'll pay for it. If they want to give it away for free..cool...more money for you. A lot of my regs know this is what I do for a living so they're always willing to PAY for it.

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    For every guy that likes a free show there are plenty of guys that like personal time with a model. Some guys like the 1 on 1 "intimacy" that they get from privates.

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    Default Re: SM performers doing it all in free for Gold...

    I still make good money regardless if these ladies choose to do free shows and i do know MFC is known for the ladies making most of their money in free as i have tried MFC but sooner or later SM will turn into MFC and it will affect us all. i have been with SM for almost 2 years now and one of the reasons i stick with it is because guys dont expect us to be doing this in free.its like they are trained and i like it hat way. my regulars are trained lol they know better then to ask me to do a free show. Freetubes i know nothing about.

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    SM does enforce its rules and suspend/boot girls. However, uniformity, consistency, and diligence are not adjectives that should be used to describe SM's enforcement.

    Also be careful. SM employees will sometimes give the girls fake gold and ask them to masterbate in public in an attempt to trap them. Its interesting because if the girl falls for it she gets suspended immediately, if she doesnt, they delete all record in the chat history that he was ever there and talking to the model.

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    Default Re: SM performers doing it all in free for Gold...

    it drives me nuts that some ladies do stuff in gold and get booted off so quick while others will be BUTT ASS NAKED and spreading their pussy in open chat and keep doing it forever

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    Send one message aboute SM loosely enforcing their rules... and they will be in your room in less than a couple hours

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    I understand how there is money to be made regardless, but I think the point is bout the image of the site as a whole, and the kinds of guys a model will have to deal with from day to day. MFC should be the ONLY site does things differently, but even some top 10 sites will "try anything" before thinking it all the way thru. This weekend, for the 1st time, I sat and just clicked my way from room to room on MFC and, on the first occasion, saw one anal show after the other, and then later it was like all the models were doing oral shows with a dildo. Sadly, I HAD to see a poo show, with one woman crapping over the face of another!

    You can't see stuff like that and claim it has no effect on your chat sessions... instead of a cam site where guys go to "have a need met" you end-up with guys that are only there for shock value, like it's some kind of dysfunctional social site.

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    ^^^^ I totally agree!!! It's an image thing for me - I mean, I see some girls just naked, legs wide open, vibrator hanging out, just chillin...Come on ladies, let's put some effort into it. It's just like any other job - if you saw your coworker bringing the quality of the overall agency down, it would bother you in some way.

    I don't think they are necessarily taking business away, but they can be a distraction and may even have guys leave to other sites...Besides...if you're giving penetration away for .35, what else is left??
    I want to tell them that the art of teasing can help increase those tips - I'm all about getting GOLD in exclusive to take off my clothes....Guys love the tease and they WILL pay more for it.

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    If it has an effect on my business then I don't feel it. Maybe it's because I don't spend me time looking at other girls on these sites. Streamate has been around for years and they've built a solid reputation even though there are girls doing it for free it is still clear that it's against the rules. Worrying about streamate's "image" is pointless. That is a huge company. The only "image" I am worrying about it my own. While there are girls complaining that they're not making money, guys are buying my camshows for $4 a minute and booking block sessions for my shower shows. This business is very individualized in that sense. MFC, free tube sites is the pefect example. When the site stops working for me then I'll post about it but now i'm loving it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KamiOnline View Post
    ^^^^ I totally agree!!! It's an image thing for me - I mean, I see some girls just naked, legs wide open, vibrator hanging out, just chillin...Come on ladies, let's put some effort into it.
    I made over $200 before i got to my public show this morning. The show itself lasted like 5 minutes. So... once i tried it i understood it lol

    EDIT : This was in MFC not SM
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    Pfft....it's not worth doing a public show for a 35% cut. I don't like freeloaders taking advantage of the nice guys.

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    I saw a girl on sm make $89 in tips, in less than 30 minutes. Yes I sat there and watched her room for about 30 minutes, because I just thought it was so amazing how she had control of her room, and got so many people to tip, and I wanted to take pointers. Yes she was nude at certain points, but It was because she had a game plan. At the end she went pvt so no telling how much she made for the whole hour. I know the subject of nudity in free chat is really controversial, and I do not do it, but I often wonder why people are so concerned about what others do? I realized you can not stop nudity in free chat. Especially if its making a lot of money.
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    god i hope sm doesnt turn into mfc!!!!! that's all i gotta say. sm at least is busy during my daytime hours, so once I can work anytime I can BANK working both sites, but if everything just turns into mfc, there's no variety, and no variety of sites means no variety of performers and performances, and basically would be devastating.

    is there an anonymous way of reporting models? id hate to jeopardize my position on the site for reporting another model

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    Quote Originally Posted by BustyAmeera View Post
    I know the subject of nudity in free chat is really controversial, and I do not do it, but I often wonder why people are so concerned about what others do? I realized you can not stop nudity in free chat. Especially if its making a lot of money.
    Exactly. I don't do it either but I'm not going to lose sleep over what I can't change. If there's no way to change it why keep complaining? Just report the girls and get to work!

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    Hopefully nobody gets mad at this, but I'll say it anyway. How do you have enough time to focus on YOUR cash, if you are worrying about what other people do? I have been wondering this for a few years now, and I still don't get it.

    If you are spending time taking pics, blogging, making videos, doing hair & makeup, ordering new lingerie, promoting etc, then there wont always be time to worry about others. Right? Please do not get mad about that. It's just the truth.. There have been times when I honestly have spent my whole day promoting. That in itself can be DRAINING. Honestly? When I see girls naked in free chat, I just kind of giggle and think why? Why are you sitting here naked for free? No tips? Nothing? Maybe they are new, and don't know? OR it could be that they are on multiple sites, and forgot to log off one when going pvt on another? That does happen. I don't know, but please don't feel that naked girls in free chat will ruin YOUR business. The big spenders don't want the naked for free chicks, trust me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BustyAmeera View Post
    Hopefully nobody gets mad at this, but I'll say it anyway. How do you have enough time to focus on YOUR cash, if you are worrying about what other people do? I have been wondering this for a few years now, and I still don't get it.

    If you are spending time taking pics, blogging, making videos, doing hair & makeup, ordering new lingerie, promoting etc, then there wont always be time to worry about others. Right? Please do not get mad about that. It's just the truth.. There have been times when I honestly have spent my whole day promoting. That in itself can be DRAINING. Honestly? When I see girls naked in free chat, I just kind of giggle and think why? Why are you sitting here naked for free? No tips? Nothing? Maybe they are new, and don't know? OR it could be that they are on multiple sites, and forgot to log off one when going pvt on another? That does happen. I don't know, but please don't feel that naked girls in free chat will ruin YOUR business. The big spenders don't want the naked for free chicks, trust me.
    My thoughts exactly. I sound like a bitch when I say it though LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TouringGirlfriend View Post
    My thoughts exactly. I sound like a bitch when I say it though LOL!
    Yes we know

    I am not trying to be a bitch. I just wanted to speak my mind for a change. If I see some wrath here, then I will exit hehe
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    Ok that make sense.


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    All of you have been very helpful with you're imput on my topic and i thank u very much. Like i said before if it works for them then great. My real issue with it was how annoying it is when the guys expect me to do it but i realize i can not do much about that except to just continue telling them that i don't do that. As far as peeking in on other girls from time to time,we all are guilty of it, i like to know whats going on and until i found SW yesterday i had no other way of doing that. Thank you SW

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    No its not being bitchy u guys are right i should not worry about what other girls are doing as long as i am making my money.

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    Part of any business model is researching the competition. At the end of the day we all provide the same service its just the method use to get there thats different between providers.


    Quote Originally Posted by BustyAmeera View Post
    Hopefully nobody gets mad at this, but I'll say it anyway. How do you have enough time to focus on YOUR cash, if you are worrying about what other people do? I have been wondering this for a few years now, and I still don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyMe View Post
    All of you have been very helpful with you're imput on my topic and i thank u very much. Like i said before if it works for them then great. My real issue with it was how annoying it is when the guys expect me to do it but i realize i can not do much about that except to just continue telling them that i don't do that. As far as peeking in on other girls from time to time,we all are guilty of it, i like to know whats going on and until i found SW yesterday i had no other way of doing that. Thank you SW
    Guys will want it for free even if the girls didn't give it away for free because everyone likes free shyt (I know I do) It annoys everyone but... No real but just make your money and say fuck it. If girls on MFC can stay away from the free chat sex play and still make money, so can we on SM.

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    why be bothered? simple - it changes the business model for EVERYBODY

    if SM becomes like MFC, you don't think that'll impact your business? it DEFINITELY will. SM will sit back, realize that there's more money to be made for them just like MFC did, and let it happen, and then we'll all move along to another site who hasn't figured it out. so, for the sake of the whole fucking industry, yeah, I do give a damn, and you should too! no, it won't make a difference now or tomorrow, but it's about the big picture.

    just like how you should vote for your future, not for your "right now" - just because you have a job right now doesn't mean you shouldn't cover your ass in case things change. it's like how my parents are republicans because they've never needed government help - but as soon as I got laid off and needed unemployment, they suddenly realized oops! all that voting we thought was to protect our money, hurts our daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dixievista View Post
    why be bothered? simple - it changes the business model for EVERYBODY
    In this business you have to learn how to adjust or you'll just be shit out of luck. Look at what happened with epassporte. After it went down everyone had to find another way to accept payments. Same thing with paypal. They stopped accepting adult payment, we all found a way to process adult payments. In the camming industry, shit changes everyday. Imlive went to hell in a hell basket and we all found better sites to work on. I remember when I could make 3500 in two weeks on imlive. Gone are those days. Just like the sites change, rules change, you also have to be able to change your hustle. If you can't do that then you probably don't belong in the industry. What's hot today won't always be hot tomorrow. Keep that in mind. Girls doing free shows didn't just start. They've been doing it for years. Hell there are girls on yahoo that do free shows because they like it. Free shit will always be around. Always. Unless you can change it, no point complaining about it because that how it's always going to be.

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