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    the thread that johnjdick started got me thinking... what do you think is the best system for tipping the DJs? i didnt want to hijack the thread.

    I think at the very least, the minimum mandatory tip out to a DJ should be 10$. 15$ if it is a club with less girls and higher earning potential. 5$ is way too low IMO, unless the club is really divey with almost no earning potential.

    I personally am not a fan of the percentage tip outs... however i think that they are fair in clubs where there are very few girls. for instance if there are 10 girls on shift, if 10$ was the minimum that means the DJ would be walking out with 100$ if all girls paid exact. 10% means he would be making about the same as a stripper.

    I dont like the percentage tip outs in clubs where there are like 50 girls though. i know some DJs might not want to hear this, but i dont think that a DJ deserves the income of 5x a stripper. i think the dj definitely deserves a solid income, but i have a tough time forking over 10% of my money (which can often mean at least 50$) if i feel ike the DJ is going to be making about 5x what i make that night (well probably less since i am typically above avg on the earning scale. we will say 2.5x though) after putting up with customers grabbing me all night. i also dont like it in general when people track my income... if i have a really bad night i dont want to feel like a shithead for only being able to tip out 15$... that is just salt on the wound of an already horrible night. I can deal with this more in clubs where the fees are low.... but if the club is already taking like 40% and then we have to give the DJ 10% and then the bouncers something, i feel like im being picked apart.

    I also think that the DJ tip out should be higher in clubs that make a lot of stage money. in clubs where it is a surprise to get tipped at all on stage then i feel like it is less so.

    i am assuming the DJs are employees as well, although i could be wrong. are DJs ever independent contractors?

    anyway, other ppls thoughts on this matter?
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    At my club tip out is supposed 10% with a minimum of $10.
    Unless I have a really shit night I always tip more than $10. If I have a good night then I'll tip him more, but honestly I don't tip 10% once I get past a certain point.
    Like you said, we usually have a lot of girls working, and I'm fairly certain he's walked out with more money than most of us strippers on more than one occasion.
    I also don't feel to bad about it because I suspect most of the other girls don't usually tip out a full 10%, either.

    I also have wondered if they're independent contractors or employees. Someone told me they were independent contractors and had to pay house fees like the dancers do, I'm curious to know if this is ever the case.

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    ^^yea... if the club had 50 girls and the average dancer made 400$ a night, that would be 2k in one night which is higher than almost any stripper makes on average, unless she is a freakishly freakishly good hustler or offering some incredible blowjobs. if i had a 1000$ night, i wouldnt want to give 100$ to a dj that was making 2k. while the dj has a tough job politically making the diva dancers happy, the customers happy (and tipping), and the power hungry owners happy, he also probably has never had to watch out for a customer sticking his tongue up his butthole. but then again, you never know.

    i am interested whether they are ICs as well as expenses. obviously for expenses there is the equipment and probably the legal rights to the music. although i get the feeling at some of the divier clubs the copyright issue is totally ignored. esp since girls can bring in burned cds. and it seems in some other clubs that the music is on a communal computer for the club while in others each dj has their own computer. hoping djoser and johnjdick can shed some light onto this.
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    I dated a DJ years ago (bad mistake but I digress) and he was paid $10 hour plus each girl gave him $5 (this was 15 years ago). There were times he made more than the dancers and that I think is wrong. I will say though in his defense he was always buying CDs for dancers. At other clubs some DJs were paid and others were IC's like dancers.

    I always tipped a DJ better if he was an independent contractor than if he was paid. This is true if it was a bad night and I walked out with less than $100. I think the percentage is sucky to be honest. I'd rather pay a small amount. If I made a lot I usually tipped more, especially if the DJ was great.

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    Minimum for me is to tip the DJ $10

    If he is an excellent DJ, goes out of the way for me and I get along with him I tip $15 to $25, depending on how well I do

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    i expect a dj to make what a dancer who is a decent hustler makes but not what one of the over the top hustlers makes. and certainly not more than what the top girl makes... i dont think it is right if the tip outs are geared so the DJ is making more than every girl.

    i do expect the DJ to outearn a good amount of the dancers though. definitely. and since a lot of the dancers are lazy and often drunk and have never bothered to develop sales skills i think this is completely fair.

    also i do not expect a dj to buy cds for the dancers. although i guess now in theory they do purchase music. we are in the digital age now so its all itunes. although i do suspect that there is a lot of music piracy among SC DJs.
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    I usually tip based on whats done.. that goes for dj's and floorhost.. where i work the dj min is 10 so thats what i pay because from what i know, we are not allowed to request songs or anything ect, we just dance to what he plays.. now if i get some rooms, or for instance when it was my bday and he was announcing it i paid 15-20 bucks..

    the floorhost is supposed to be 20% but this is about dj fees so i wont get into the floorhost thing...
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    ^ugh yea i hate floorhosts who shake you down. there are some posts on that... when i did a basic search for djs and tipouts i didnt find any specific threads on what is fair and not fair in the land of paying your DJ.
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    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    i think as long as u pay the min thats fine.. hell if i had a shitty nite and i could not pay the min id just bring it back the next day.. if the min is 10 but some1 is trying to give $5 or below that becomes a insult a lil..
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    Most DJs work for tips, basically--though it varies from club to club. Usually there is a base pay, anywhere from 50-150$. In some clubs there is nothing but tips, but I don't tend to like those clubs.

    One thing to keep in mind about DJs making more than a lot of dancers--it really depends on how busy the club is, and how many nights it actually happens. Also, after putting in my time working many years in shithole clubs and slower clubs up in Daytona, I have done my time and suffered enough while busting my ass. I have worked my way up to where I am, and I am not taking a pay cut because some dancers aren't making as much as I am. Let them learn to hustle, don't take it out on me. I have to go from 7 PM to 4 AM, playing 3 minute songs or less, dealing with 15-25% of the girls not showing onstage, dealing with drama queens, dealing with any number of emergencies all night, every night--and NO BREAKS. None. The work is completely, totally exhausting--and slow nights are by far the hardest of all.

    I have worked many nights where there were a lot of girls and not enough customers to take care of all of them, and on those nights I will often leave with more than the average dancer. But jesus christ on a night like Mother's Day, Valentine's Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas, or any of the other slow nights that will hit almost any club from time to time, I will walk with a lot less. So it does tend to balance out.

    Nothing is more frustrating than giving a girl repeated breaks with her tipping, because she always has trouble making much money. Then she banks and gives you the fucking minimum without a thought. This has happened to me more times than I can count. I still have a policy of not accepting a tip from a dancer who has made less than 100$, but I no longer ask or make it widely known, because so many of them will lie and/or take advantage of it, and never, ever remember you were cool when they bank.

    There is also tremendous variance in the quality of the DJs. I have seen some guys who were really good, who could keep the pace hot and the customers spending, and those guys deserve to bank. Then there are the lazy slobs who get drunk, do blow, grab ass, and play video games. They of course deserve shit. Sometimes they get shit, sometimes they bank anyway (especially if they are tight with owners/managers, or are supplying drugs to everyone lol).


    I think the percentage rate is a bad idea. I also detest the idea of keeping track of a girl's dances because that is anal and invasive. I have done it twice I think in 11 years, when I knew a girl was repeatedly stiffing me.

    I have heard there are DJs in the big city upscale clubs with more than 100 girls a night who wind up making 2,000$ a night, but then I have heard that it is a lot more rare than rumor would have it--and also those guys have to kick back as much as half of what they make to the house, floor guys, etc.

    If a girl is banking regularly and gives the DJ a 20$ every night, what's to complain about?? Even 15$ a night is pretty damned good. 10$ a night (as my club requires) is certainly fair, because I have to bust my ass, but if a girl only ever tips that, I'm not going too far out of my way unless she somehow makes my night easier. The only time the 10$ tipout seems unfair or shitty is when you have the fucking drama queens who expect you to bend over backwards (including breaking rules) for them for ten fucking dollars. Not a chance.
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    It varies from club to club even in the same city. I've worked at clubs where the only income I made was from tips. Most clubs will pay the DJ a small hourly rate, though I've never seen a club pay more than $10 an hour (usually much less than that). The majority of my income has always relied on tips.

    At the clubs I've worked, minimum tipout has been between $5 - $10 per girl. The strength to which this was enforced varies wildly between clubs as well.

    I agree that the DJ should be pulling in about the same amount as an entertainer. Whether we're talking about the income of an average entertainer or a top earner should depend on the skill level of the DJ. As for music, I openly admit to pirating much of the music that I play. I do spend a fair bit on music. However, the amount of music I go through, I could never make enough money to purchase all of it legally. I like to justify the piracy by thinking that by playing the music in a public venue, I'm helping to promote the artist and encourage others to buy the songs. Also (and I'm honestly not sure if they actually do it), the club is supposed to pay ASCAP/BMI fees for the rights to play the music publicly. I figure these fees in a way give me a certain entitlement to download any damned music I want as long as it's used for work. Though, something tells me that the record companies would try to bleed me for every dollar they could anyway. But, I digress. I'm getting off topic.

    As long as you're giving me at least minimum tipout, you're fine. If you want any kind of special attention, ask me to research or bring in new music for you or do any special favors... yeah, kicking me an extra five or ten bucks is always appreciated depending on the level of treatment you expect.
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    I won't pirate music anymore, haven't for years. I know of a club that got hit by the Music Police for that and they got into trouble. So I buy all mine from Amazon or whatever.

    If a girl is a good tipper, I will gladly buy her music. If a girl never, ever gives me anything more than the minimum, I won't buy her music (unless she is one of the cool ones who makes the night easier--there are those). She can do that and bring it in.
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    I have a complicated system. LOL

    If the DJ plays my music correctly and doesn't say anything stupid when I go on stage... I just give $20.

    If the DJ pulls me out of CR's a little early and plays shorter songs while I'm giving dances to problem customers... I tip $40.

    If the DJ sends a customer my way, I tip 10% of what I make off that customer (after house cut).

    If the DJ is also the bouncer for day shift (which happens in smaller clubs)... I tip an extra $10.

    If the DJ is also the dance tracker for that shift and he undercounts my dances... I tip about 50% of what I would've had to pay the house. (Hey! I'm not going to lie... If I'm paying out $400 plus to work at a club every day... and I've got the chance to pay $350 instead KNOWING that if they notice I'm under-counted I don't get in trouble for it... I'm gong to take it.)

    What else? If the DJ promotes the hell out of me (compared to how he announces other girls) and I'm having $200 stages while everyone else is having $20 stages... I'll throw an extra $20 his way for the extra promo.

    If the DJ whines about the music when I KNOW it's something he's allowed to play... or fucks up my music when I JUST told him what I wanted 10 seconds ago... or just mumbles my name when I'm on stage... or I have to keep time on my own VIP's... or walks past while I'm dealing with a problem custy in a dance and doesn't say anything... fuck him. He doesn't get a damn thing.

    So BASICALLY. Bad DJ's make nothing.
    Passable/Decent DJ's make $20
    Good DJ's make at least $40.
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    Yeah. I'd rather buy my music as well. Financially, I'm not really in a position to do that right now, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    If a girl is a good tipper, I will gladly buy her music. If a girl never, ever gives me anything more than the minimum, I won't buy her music (unless she is one of the cool ones who makes the night easier--there are those). She can do that and bring it in.
    They should be doing that anyway.
    If you want something that isn't in the computer, you bring it in, run it by the manager to make sure the DJ won't get yelled at for playing it... you have it added.
    In my case... you take your memory stick to the DJ with a $20 so the music gets added into YOUR folder and not the main music list so that other girls don't see it and it only gets played for you. <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    They should be doing that anyway.
    If you want something that isn't in the computer, you bring it in, run it by the manager to make sure the DJ won't get yelled at for playing it... you have it added.
    In my case... you take your memory stick to the DJ with a $20 so the music gets added into YOUR folder and not the main music list so that other girls don't see it and it only gets played for you. <3
    I have yet to work in a club where the dancers ever do this--not once. Instead they bring in weird, slow shit or the nastiest fucking rap songs ever, and then scream at me/the manager/the owner when I say I can't play it.

    Usually it's just way too slow, so the first thing I ever say is 'Is it fast?'

    But I might as well hold my breath, because every single time, they will either lie and tell me 'Oh yes they are all fast!' when the songs are 53 fucking beats a minute, or they just blithely assume because they like the song, it's fast enough.
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    ^If I ever work with you I'll be sure and request things like Angel by Massive Attack all night.
    I dance to mostly metal/metalcore...
    So I HAVE to get things approved by management (except in LA where apparently no one gives a fuck?)... it's just easier that way.

    Why not take 2 minutes to go straight to the manager for approval... rather than fight with/bribe the DJ to get your music played?
    It's so much easier.
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    I don't like the idea of a DJ making as much as I do. I'm letting strange men touch my titties all night. DJ's say they deserve the same amount because they work hard and put up with drama queens? Well, so do I. I have to work with the same drama queens they do, and it's no easier for us fellow dances as it is for the DJ; and we get naked and wear painful heels.

    Now, I feel the need to state that at my current regular club the DJ has less responsibilities than it seems the American ones do. Girls don't make stage tips here, AT all, so it's not like I can give him a % of what I make on stage because he does awesome lighting shows/promoting me/etc.....not that our DJ ever does an awesome light show or promoting. For any girl. Regardless of tips. I pick my music sets, and I'm super easy going about it. Our DJ has asked me in the past if he can pick my music so he can hear something he wants every once in a while, and I'm one of maybe 3 girls that are fine with it. "Hey Britta, mind if I play some ____ for your stage set? Haven't heard it in ages.", fine with me.

    We have no mandatory tip out, it's completely optional, but on any given night with 50-80 girls at least three/fourths tip at least $5 - so that's $200/night in tips, usually more like $300. That's as much as the average dancer at the same club. So IMO, they do fairly well; and our DJ's money is much more consistent than mine.

    Being said I tip $5 on a crummy night, $10 on an average night and anywhere from $15 to $25 when I do well. The DJ's are always confused when I tip more than $15 - at first they thought I was overpaying my stage fees. I don't think high tips are common where I work. I've only stiffed the DJ on a few occasions when I had nights in the negative, or my first week back at dancing when I REALLY needed every dime I was making. Made it up the next week.



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    I don't think anyone is trying to understate what you girls have to put up with in any way. Groping, stinky and perverted customers are obviously worthy of you being heavily compensated. The thing is, no matter how many girls there are in a club, there is only one DJ per shift. He HAS to be on top of his game. The DJ doesn't get breaks, he can't just go to the dressing room and 'shake it off' if he's having a rough night. It really does take a lot to keep your energy level UP for a solid 8 hour shift without breaks. The DJ has to stay versed in every genre of music imaginable, has to keep a cool head when dealing with 7 different things at the same time. I could go on. Suffice to say, there's a lot more to it than just having to put up with a few girls who have attitude problems. It really is a rare breed to be able to do what we do. Hell, just look at how many shitty DJs there are out there. Even with as few DJ positions that there are, finding a good DJ is still a crapshoot.

    Keep in mind, when I'm talking about what a DJ should be making, I'm talking about DJs who know their shit. Not to be immodest, but I do consider myself amongst that select group.

    I really do have a lot of respect for what you ladies have to put up with. But just because the DJ isn't out there grinding on customers doesn't mean that a good DJ isn't earning every damned penny that he makes.
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    $10/hour? Our DJ's make WAY more than that! Haha! 10/hour isn't even minimum wage here!



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    I don't think anyone is trying to understate what you girls have to put up with in any way. Groping, stinky and perverted customers are obviously worthy of you being heavily compensated. The thing is, no matter how many girls there are in a club, there is only one DJ per shift. He HAS to be on top of his game. The DJ doesn't get breaks, he can't just go to the dressing room and 'shake it off' if he's having a rough night. It really does take a lot to keep your energy level UP for a solid 8 hour shift without breaks. The DJ has to stay versed in every genre of music imaginable, has to keep a cool head when dealing with 7 different things at the same time. I could go on. Suffice to say, there's a lot more to it than just having to put up with a few girls who have attitude problems. It really is a rare breed to be able to do what we do.

    I really do have a lot of respect for what you ladies have to put up with. But just because the DJ isn't out there grinding on customers doesn't mean that he isn't earning every damned penny that he makes.
    I think the strip clubs you work in are very different from the ones I currently work in. Our DJ's are expected to do a lot less and take smoking breaks leaving a girl onstage every now and again for 15 minutes. Also, shift girls here aren't allowed to take breaks, or go into the dressing room to "shake it off", and they work 9 hours straight.

    Clubs here aren't very good to the dancers, and are much, much better to our DJ's, so while I do acknowledge that your work for me and I do tip, I find it hard to sympathize when the DJ's aren't bringing home $200+/night in tips.



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    $10/hour? Our DJ's make WAY more than that! Haha! 10/hour isn't even minimum wage here!
    I'm sure the laws are a little different in Canada. In the States, it's not uncommon for a DJ to get paid only a token amount by the house, as they expect he's making most of his money in tips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4everresolutions View Post
    Clubs here aren't very good to the dancers, and are much, much better to our DJ's, so while I do acknowledge that your work for me and I do tip, I find it hard to sympathize when the DJ's aren't bringing home $200+/night in tips.
    Fuck. Maybe I should move to Canada. Sounds like I'd put every DJ in the country to shame with my work ethic. Know of anyplace that's hiring?
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    I'll start practicing my French immediately. I hope I'm not required to like those damned catsup flavored potato chips, though.
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