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    ^^Idk, I'd say if you took a dancer like me who spends a lot of money on appearance ANYWAY... that gap is a lot smaller...
    The only additional things I purchase for work are my half wigs which last me about a year and are only $100, maybe one new outfit and one new pair of shoes a year, and... baby wipes.
    Figure, $100 for work hair, $70 yearly pair of shoes, $70 yearly new outfit, $50 on baby wipes.... stripping only costs me an extra maybe $25 a month*.


    That's like a DJ buying $25 new songs a month between girl's requests and new 'hits'.

    *My actual FULL monthly upkeep is several hundred dollars... but that's all things I spent money on before I was a dancer and will spend money on after I no longer dance.
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    You make a valid argument, BringOnTheMen. But, without meaning to sound trite, now we're just splitting hairs. Sure, we could go down the list and itemize everything that each job requires us to put into preparation for work... but we're talking about value in a more general sense, not comparing exact dollar figures. I'll give you that an entertainer has to invest more into wardrobe, etc than a DJ has to invest in music. I'll counter by asking: What has more of an effect on how much a customer spends on you? Your $60 hairdo or the DJ playing some kick ass music that gets the customer's attention while he enthusiastically flashes the strobe lights and excitedly proclaims to every man in the room that you are the most beautiful creature that god has put on this earth while you are on stage?

    Edit: I digress, though. I don't want this to turn into an 'us vs. them' thread. We should all be working together so that we can ALL make money. In my current position, I'm probably making less than the average dancer just because I'm working on the slower days of the week with less girls on rotation than the busier days. I don't have the option to come in on the choice days, or work when I want. It's okay, though. I understand that I have to do my time and work my way into a more favorable position before I can start earning top dollar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    ^to play the devil's advocate, don't you only work once every week or so? It's a lot easier to wear out shoes when you're wearing them 40+ hrs/week. Same with outfits.
    Up until just a couple of months ago... I worked 5 days a week... and had the same extra costs for work.
    I take good care of my outfits and shoes so they last me a long time. One of my favorite dresses that I wear most often is a dress another girl gave me 5 years ago (which means it's even older than that!) it still looks new and is in perfect condition. The three pairs of shoes I switch between are both 3 years old. I clean them nightly so they're not all fucked up. I bought one newer pair of shoes than that... but they broke so I went back to the old ones.

    So nope, even at the point where I was dancing 40+ hours a week, I still only had about $25 a month extra in cost of dancing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnjdick View Post
    I'll counter by asking: What has more of an effect on how much a customer spends on you? Your $60 hairdo or the DJ playing some kick ass music that gets the customer's attention
    If they're checking out how hot we are, I doubt they give a damn what song is playing. I bet you anything if I ask any of my customers what song was playing while I had my sexy fishnet legs wrapped around them and my laced panties swaying in front of their face, while my french tips dug into their neck, and stared seductively at them through my long fake lashes, while my flowing bleached blonde hair brushed against them...they'd be like, "there was music playing???"

    So while good music is important, it compares nothing to the way we look that night. If I come in looking like shit, it doesn't matter if you're playing their favorite songs all night long, it's not going to make me money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyLovR View Post
    If they're checking out how hot we are, I doubt they give a damn what song is playing. I bet you anything if I ask any of my customers what song was playing while I had my sexy fishnet legs wrapped around them and my laced panties swaying in front of their face, while my french tips dug into their neck, and stared seductively at them through my long fake lashes, while my flowing bleached blonde hair brushed against them...they'd be like, "there was music playing???"

    So while good music is important, it compares nothing to the way we look that night. If I come in looking like shit, it doesn't matter if you're playing their favorite songs all night long, it's not going to make me money...
    If it's a boring song, the customer is going to be looking at the door rather than the stage. No matter how much effort you put into your appearance, it won't make any difference if he isn't looking at you in the first place. Though the customer probably won't remember the specific song, it still has a primal effect on the energy level in the room and whether the customer is going to be looking around the room or staring at his table.

    And, the customer probably isn't going to remember exactly what you're wearing either Hell, 80% of them probably don't even know what 'French tips' are in the first place.
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    Not to threadjack, but all my shoes and outfits I've had since I started danceing 5ish years ago. Just take care of your shit.

    Anyways, back to DJ tipouts. If I have a shitty DJ , $5. If I have a good DJ, depending on the night, $10-$20. If the DJ undercuts my dances or really promotes me and gets me some tips on stage, I might throw and extra $5 his way. But I'm a very low-maintenence dancer when it comes to music. I very rarely ask for anything in particular. If I do it's normally because a customer requested the music. I pretty much will dance to whatever the DJ thinks will get the crowd going.
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    Speaking of the music, I didn't understand why the DJ I dated went out and bought the CDs. I've always been the dancer who brings in what I am going to dance to. I would often hear a song on the radio I liked so on the way to the club I would stop at the record store and buy the CD. I know music more than most people, including most DJs I worked with.

    I am reminded of an incident that happened to me about this issue. I once worked at a club with terrible DJs. One in particular was awful. I think he was related to one of the managers which is why he was awful. Anyway, among the things he did was play the wrong song or CD, announce the wrong name and the worst thing, play my songs for another dancer though I never gave permission. At first because I didn't want to make waves I tipped what I had to. However he stayed crappy and I told one of the managers about him. He also spent the shift hitting on dancers. He never got decent, and still played my CDs for other dancers though I asked him not to and ALWAYS played the wrong song. I stopped tipping him and he reported me to the owners. I told them what was happening and they agreed with me. They told him he needed to get better or they were going to fire him. He never got better, quit so they hired another loser. During this time a few of us approached the owner about hiring me as the DJ since I have a DJ background. They refused and hired another loser. Same things started so I quit.

    As much as we don't want to admit it, there are many DJs like them. Most I worked with were great but bad ones don't deserve the same money as good ones.

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    I agree with you wholeheartedly, Kelly, about bad DJs deserving less than good ones. Tipping at the club should be just like tipping at a restaurant. While not exactly mandatory... it's kind of expected. A waitress has to provide really really really shitty service to not get a tip from me at a restaurant. Same should apply for DJs. Unfortunately, there are enough girls who will skip on tipping given any opportunity (no matter what level of service the DJ provides) that mandatory tipping is sometimes a necessary policy.

    I really think that any DJ who is so shitty that he doesn't deserve a tip really shouldn't be working in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnjdick View Post
    I agree with you wholeheartedly, Kelly, about bad DJs deserving less than good ones. Tipping at the club should be just like tipping at a restaurant. While not exactly mandatory... it's kind of expected. A waitress has to provide really really really shitty service to not get a tip from me at a restaurant. Same should apply for DJs. Unfortunately, there are enough girls who will skip on tipping given any opportunity (no matter what level of service the DJ provides) that mandatory tipping is sometimes a necessary policy.

    I really think that any DJ who is so shitty that he doesn't deserve a tip really shouldn't be working in the first place.
    You're right it goes both ways and dancers who never tip good DJs frustrate me as well. To me a great DJ is an artist, a bad one is a joke. The same can be said about attractive dancers versus ones who shouldn't be there either. The DJ I mentioned was beyond awful and it was embarassing. Many customers complained about him too. I gave him a chance as I would a waitress (I've done that myself in the past)but someone who's awful shouldn't be doing it, whatever it is (DJ, dancer, server, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyLovR View Post
    If they're checking out how hot we are, I doubt they give a damn what song is playing.
    I once had a guy come up to tip me from all the way in the back of the club BECAUSE he liked the song I was playing... when I went over to dance for him on that side of the stage, he was like "WOW. I did NOT realize you were so beautiful from across the room!"
    He bought something like 4 and a half hours in the CR as soon as I was off stage... and I probably never would've even made it back to the corner he was sitting in to talk to him... so had I not picked music he liked, he might not have come up to tip me, and I might not have sold half the night's worth of CR's with ZERO effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    ^If I ever work with you I'll be sure and request things like Angel by Massive Attack all night.
    I dance to mostly metal/metalcore...
    So I HAVE to get things approved by management (except in LA where apparently no one gives a fuck?)... it's just easier that way.

    Why not take 2 minutes to go straight to the manager for approval... rather than fight with/bribe the DJ to get your music played?
    It's so much easier.
    No way, that would be too easy!

    Oh BTW I love Massive Attack, I have a mashup/remix of that one and Kylie Minogue Slow (Slow Angel, of course) that is fucking hot. I think ArmySgt either posted that or I found it on a video page he posted, so I ought to thank him for that one.

    I play it at the beginning or end of the night, if the girl up there likes it--and can do it justice.

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    I don't think anyone is trying to understate what you girls have to put up with in any way. Groping, stinky and perverted customers are obviously worthy of you being heavily compensated. The thing is, no matter how many girls there are in a club, there is only one DJ per shift. He HAS to be on top of his game. The DJ doesn't get breaks...Hell, just look at how many shitty DJs there are out there. Even with as few DJ positions that there are, finding a good DJ is still a crapshoot.

    Keep in mind, when I'm talking about what a DJ should be making, I'm talking about DJs who know their shit. Not to be immodest, but I do consider myself amongst that select group.

    I really do have a lot of respect for what you ladies have to put up with. But just because the DJ isn't out there grinding on customers doesn't mean that a good DJ isn't earning every damned penny that he makes.
    I earn every damned penny I make. I don't care if some of the lazy, ugly dancers make less than I do, that's not my fault. If I make less than 300$ I am pissed. Which is probably what the average dancer makes in my club, maybe 300. The top earners make more, and can make a couple grand in one night but that's rare. The most I ever made was 846$, and a lot of girls made a lot more that night. I'm fine with that.

    But I won't take a tip from a girl who is walking with shit money--unless she's been a pain in the ass of course.

    Not to say that there aren't a lot of suckdick DJs out there who ought to walk with maybe 50$.

    I have worked every job imaginable. This is by far the hardest--though designing shopping centers was a bit tougher intellectually, and laboring for masons was a bit more physically exhaustive. Next club I work, I want to try getting drunk all night, playing video games, and grabbing ass like some of these other DJs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Oh BTW I love Massive Attack, I have a mashup/remix of that one and Kylie Minogue Slow (Slow Angel, of course) that is fucking hot.
    DUDE! You have GOT to send that to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyLovR View Post
    If they're checking out how hot we are, I doubt they give a damn what song is playing. I bet you anything if I ask any of my customers what song was playing while I had my sexy fishnet legs wrapped around them and my laced panties swaying in front of their face, while my french tips dug into their neck, and stared seductively at them through my long fake lashes, while my flowing bleached blonde hair brushed against them...they'd be like, "there was music playing???"

    So while good music is important, it compares nothing to the way we look that night. If I come in looking like shit, it doesn't matter if you're playing their favorite songs all night long, it's not going to make me money...
    Ask all the other customers, outside on the floor, what song was playing when the hideous fat pig got onstage, the one who might have thought she looked good, but who in reality just drove everyone away from the tiprail. Because they are trying to think of anything except what shouldn't be up there.

    Truth of the matter is, about half of them don't pay much attention to the music. But there's a whole lot that do; and then there's a lot of guys who bug the fucking shit out of me all night to hear some weird shit they must see their favorite girls dance to.

    And they sure as shit notice in the jukebox clubs when the same whiny, slow, wrist-slashing songs and suckdick rap is played 10-15 times a night, each--because there's no one stopping the dancers from doing it.

    But actually, in my club, the problem isn't so much playing what the customers want. It's playing what the girls want that won't get me fired (which they stridently demand all night anyway), and will hopefully help the guys forget that we really only have 3-4 really hot girls and 7-8 cute ones there out of 30, on a bad night.

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    Another issue I have with djs making as much as dancers is that djs don't have to spend a large percentage of their money on their job-we do...but you cannot even begin to compare the amoun of money we have to spend just to be competitive out there.
    I just spent 4,500$ on a top of the line MacBook Pro. It's the best laptop any DJ in this town has, because I want the best tools for the job, and I want the owner of my club to know it. Not counting music, mikes, cords, headphones, clothes (yes I have to look damned good, the owner expects it and my tips go way up), etc.

    So this argument doesn't work for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    But for good djs, I'm very happy to tip...

    ...it's more like, fuck you, Im not doing shit for you but if you don't scratch my back I'll have you fired.
    I bet you'd be great to work with, too.

    What's funny about the last line is, that is precisely the attitude so many of the non-tippers have. Almost invariably they are way more of a pain in the ass than that stinking little 10$ tip is worth.

    And almost invariably they will run their drunken, lying asses to the managers making shit up or blowing it way out of proportion, trying to get you fired with lies and screaming accusations, only because you didn't risk your job to break the rules for them. I am not making this shit up.

    Those are the dancers that do as much as anything to make the job so extremely difficult. 3-4 cheap, drug-addled, whacked out bitches in one night, and I'm earning every cent all the cool dancers that tip me more than the minimum are giving me.
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    Forgive me, but I've only worked at one club, and this: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=150805 is our main DJ. My djs dont play shitty music because they're getting back at me for not tipping (even though I do tip every time I make over $100,sometimes when I just make over $50), they play it because they only listen to Top 40 and dont know any rock. No joke, I requested "white wedding" and he asks the who the artist.

    I have a day time DJ who is very on his shit and knows SO much music and if he were working nights I would be tipping him $20+ but he works days and days are very lax, and he usually runs out before I can tip him. So I guess I do know what a good Dj is like but unfortunately when it counts, I don't have one. However I never give my djs any shit and I always tip so I'm not a problem dancer. I am very professional.

    And our djs do not buy new music or use any of their own equipment so my $$ argument holds at least at my club.

    I also believe our djs have some sort of benefits, and that combined with the fact that even if it's a shitty week and nobody comes in, they still get a paycheck (aka basic financial security that NO dancer has) makes me upset when I hear about mandatory tip outs, especially gross ones like $15-20+ or 10%+ when there's more than 30 girls working.
    Jesus I went and read that thread (or the OP at least), sorry to hear that guy was such an asshole! Wow, I hate working dayshift and haven't done it for years, but it's standard to get the girls up there when the customers come in!

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    There's nothing to forgive. This is a fucked up business. If all DJs and dancers were professionals there wouldn't be any argument. I sure don't blame you for not wanting to tip an asshole who can't do his job...
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    I wasn't as surprised as you might think!

    When I was up in Daytona I worked all kinds of clubs, including some smaller ones and a dive or two. There were a whole bunch of these karaoke DJs making the rounds of the stripclubs who really, really sucked. And there was also a lot of the video game playing, ass grabbing, getting drunk at work type as well. There were 2-3 besides me that were good, but we were outnumbered by morons and dipshits it seemed.

    In fact when I first started posting on SW, I would bash the DJs worse than anyone in this thread, easily! I even pissed off a couple of the other pros on here. Then I started getting to know some of the other guys who were actually literate (so rare in both men & women in this business!), and I started to reconsider. Then I came down here and met a few who really worked hard as I did to try to put on a good show and keep the girls happy. So I figured it out, there's the flaky men and women in the business, and there's the pros. Thank god for the pros, I couldn't take it this long otherwise.
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    My club tip-outs are like 21% of what we make. 10% to the manager, then the rest split between the doorman and the DJ. The doorman gives a cut to the guy who counts the dances. I HATE the percentage system. I very rarely need anyone to help me out at work, so I pay a lot of money for basically nothing. It kinda bugs me that the DJ and doorman get the same amount because I think the DJ deserves more, he works his ass off... all the doorman has to do is hand people tickets all night, and his chair is right in front of the stage so he also gets to check out our pussies as an added bonus (and yes, I have noticed some staring). Then proceed to brag about all the money he makes off of us. (Which is about 700 on an average weeknight). Hell I wanna work the door, where do I sign up?

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    I don't know, I've tried working the door a few times for a few different reasons, I fucking hated it. Unbelievably boring, though maybe not so much on busy nights.

    But yeah the doorman shouldn't get as much as the DJ, especially if he's perving out on the stage show. The doormen at my club are also bouncers, and in my club that means they are always likely to have to work, because we have to throw out a lot of drunken assholes. Some of those military guys down here (we get a LOT) are pretty tough, too.

    On an average night I'm still working harder than they are, plus I always back them up if there's a problem--and good DJs are harder to find than good bouncers, so I don't feel bad making more than them.

    So you have to pay 21% on top of house fees? That is ridiculous.
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    ^ Yup, $40 before 8pm, $60 before 9, and then $80 after that. Plus the 21% out of all the dances they track. My club rarely has any drama or throws anyone out, so being the doorman is fairly easy compared to other clubs I've been. Hell, they usually let guys get away with not paying the dancers too so I'm very careful to always get my money upfront or dance for a trustworthy customer. If I get a bad feeling about a guy i'd rather just avoid them altogether because if he tries to get out of paying for a couple songs they aren't going to back me up even though they wrote me down for it...

    Also, question for the girls who work at clubs that keep track of their dances: Does the guy counting let you look at the sheet he has and see what you have been accounted for? I tried doing this once and he got all weird about it and made a comment about how I should already know how much money I have...Okay, I know, but I still want to see it just in case I've been over-counted. I haven't asked to see it since but there's always that thought in the back of my mind. Why is there a problem with us seeing the sheet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Forgive me, but I've only worked at one club, and this: is our main DJ. My djs dont play shitty music because they're getting back at me for not tipping (even though I do tip every time I make over $100,sometimes when I just make over $50), they play it because they only listen to Top 40 and dont know any rock. No joke, I requested "white wedding" and he asks who the artist is.

    I have a day time DJ who is very on his shit and knows SO much music and if he were working nights I would be tipping him $20+ but he works days and days are very lax, and he usually runs out before I can tip him. So I guess I do know what a good Dj is like but unfortunately when it counts, I don't have one. However I never give my djs any shit and I always tip so I'm not a problem dancer. I am very professional.

    And our djs do not buy new music or use any of their own equipment so my $$ argument holds at least at my club.

    I also believe our djs have some sort of benefits, and that combined with the fact that even if it's a shitty week and nobody comes in, they still get a paycheck (aka basic financial security that NO dancer has) makes me upset when I hear about mandatory tip outs, especially gross ones like $15-20+ or 10%+ when there's more than 30 girls working.
    Now those DJs shouldn't be paid at all because they aren't playing requests and things like that, especially since they make a salary. When I worked at clubs where the DJ didn't allow you to pick the music I tipped little or nothing. Those DJs sound like crap and that they don't know rock would annoy me too. White Wedding is a fantastic song.

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    My DJ makes tips, also gets paid hourly with benefit. The club also provides the computer, mike, earphones, etc. He is also one of the best DJ's I've had the pleasure to work with.

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    Mandatory tipout is $10 and I almost always throw in another $10... Our DJ also gets a $400 check every 2 weeks.. (I snuck a peek once...lol)

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    ^Yeah, thats not much to live off of. I understand why DJ's would rely on tips makeing that kinda $$$. How do you live off of 800/month? Gosh...



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    Lol. $800 a month is the most generous paycheck I've ever heard of for a DJ. Yes, most of our income relies on tips.
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    The most I ever made base pay was 1200$ a month, when I worked 3 nights a week, 1600$ when I worked 4 nights a week (couldn't handle that for too long in this club and asked for three nights). But the fucking chain on the booth took care of that, now it's half that. It was lose 50$ a night, or lose the job. I kept the job.

    Because the other fuckng DJ couldn't keep his dick in his pants, or keep the ones he was fucking under control.

    What's funny is, I wound up making the same amount of money anyway, because after a year or so in the club, about half the dancers or more started tipping me over the minimum. But then the recession kicked in, so now it's a little less altogether.

    But still, that stupid fucking chain has cost me more than 14,000$ so far!
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