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    Well I tip my hat to DJoser who knows how to navigate through all the bullshit and always says the right thing.

    I have a graduate degree but thought this town could use a high quality entertainer.

    I already apologized for that really funny comment I deleted but cmon, girls saying that a DJ is fine if he's making minimum wage,
    well maybe for some slob that can't do any better for himself but it seems to me girls either have been working with really shitty ass DJ's or they have not much respect for what a DJ can do for a club and for girls.

    DJoser you can back me up any time here ... in my town there's probably less than a dozen clubs I would even consider working at and if I'm not making at least a certain amount then it's not even worth my time, as far as base salary from what I know they pay maybe $35 a night -that doesn't even pay for gas- and i think the minimum wage comment is just as offensive as the grinding dick one.

    There are $300 DJs on craigslist but I average $1500 -$2000 for a Wedding, why is that?? Well I don't work for trashy people, I work for those who can appreciate a quality DJ and a quality service ... I guess the same holds true in this business, and I'll stop right there before I piss someone else off.

    ... and again I don't mean any disrespect but how about some real talk here $20 bucks a night for a good DJ that gets and plays your music and treats you well seems like a small price to pay, DJoser please back me up!

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    From what I've read you haven't even made it in a club yet but boast to spinning at weddings for $1500. Why do you want to be in the club?

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    I like watching girls dance and I love to play music and think I'd be really good at it ... not sure if the attitude is limited to this board or if I would get the same at a strip club, I do have friends doing it and they seem to enjoy it

    some of the comments are way outlandish though like the one about if a DJ is making minimum wage he should be happy ... most good DJ's i know pull in a grand to two a week whether they be mobile or club so maybe that's why you get shitty ass DJs that just want to drink and grab ass and go through the motions and have little real talent

    From about a dozen clubs I've visited in my area 'talent' ranges quite a bit from DJ's who can't enunciate properly and you have no clue what they are saying, distorted sound, monotonous music selection, boring voice, etc the better DJs were at the clubs where clearly a lot of money is being made but again you get what you pay for

    I know one high end wedding DJ that works at a top strip club here in town and he's really good and is making bank, but maybe some of these girls are working at shitty bars with shitty DJ's and don't know any better

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    I see you like watching girls dance & that is the difference between you & Djoser..never in his responses did this come up. There is a reason why he is getting payed & respect at what he does. You come to a board of strippers & act like a customer...

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    someone asked me why i want to get in this business, well i love music and i like watching girls dance ...
    obviously something attracted you to stripping as well, how is that offensive?? are all dancers this
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    or is it just you??

    notice i didn't say anything about lap dances or hooking up with women or anything like that

    i get the part about being respectful to dancers but cmon, why else would a talented DJ want to work at a strip club??

    certainly not to put up with shitty attitudes or women that think a real DJ should be happy with minimum wage

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    No the riding dick comment did it...lol PLEASE keep trying..you haven't even made it in yet. Looks like weddings are your thing...LOL

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    OK man enough with the grinding/riding jokes. I agree expecting a good DJ to work for 50$ shift pay and be happy is absurd, but you are not helping the case of DJs with the jokes.
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    Watching girls dance is NOT a reason to get into being a DJ. Dancer spot them a mile away and hate guys like that.

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    If you're going to be watching the girls dance like the paying customers they deserve tips from you too. You can work at my club -- our tips will cancel each other out and I can save $$.

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    working in a club will also probably ruin stripclubs and watching pretty girls dance, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luscious sadie View Post
    working in a club will also probably ruin stripclubs and watching pretty girls dance, as well.


    Not quite, but close sometimes.

    It's so funny, I was just telling some people that for the last 5 years I have been working in two different nude clubs, with a total of hundreds of dancers, and I know what maybe 2-3 of their vaginas look like--and not from fucking them either (though I wasn't always as careful about sleeping with co-workers I confess).

    One night about a year ago one of the managers was pissed off that the girls weren't removing their bottoms at the 2nd song onstage, and told me to watch them carefully to make sure they did. I told him with all due respect--but rather forcefully--that no way in fucking hell did I have time to watch for that shit.


    And a lot of these women I would never put on any stage anywhere, if I had a choice (especially at the latest club lol). Sometimes you'll accidentally look at the stage and the instant, automatic reaction to avert your eyes is so strong, it's like a slap in the face. Don't even get me started on the dressing room.


    But thank all the gods, once in a while, you actually get to work with women who really love to dance and put on a show, and it works--to me this is Art, pure and simple. I try to watch them if there's any time for that--but usually there isn't.
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    I've worked with many DJs who didn't get a base pay (only tips), and two that did get base pay: one was a minimum wage employee, the other was $50 a shift. I was always taught that 10% goes to the DJ, and have never had a problem with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    ...Also, most djs are NOT professional djs, as in have been djing at SCs for 20 yrs and have built up a fabulous reputation and have made their way to the better clubs. I think djs should expect the same as waitresses...starting out expect Denny's tips, move up and expect a couple hundred...and pay your dues and make $500+...but so many djs have this attitude that they should be making $500 minimum when most dancers don't even make that. And the reality is that very few djs actually use any of their money towards their job, whereas dancers and housemoms are constantly reinvesting in their job. Not to mention the sexual assault. I will most likely need therapy soon to deal with everything included in my job...djs don't.
    The vast majority of the dancers I have worked with in the last 12 years were most certainly NOT investing their money back into their jobs. I can't tell you how many hundreds of women I have worked with apparently had ONE outfit, and quite often it wasn't what they should have been wearing (or taking off lol).

    Whereas I have spent thousands and thousands of dollars towards laptops (only the best will do and it costs), music files and CDs (I won't download pirated shit), and all kinds of other equipment. And also clothes, I dress very well at work in order to try to present a good image for my club, from the DJ at least lol.

    As far as most DJs starting off being unprofessional--no more so than the vast majority of dancers I have seen starting out--actually they usually had some kind of experience DJing somewhere for a year or two, or they wouldn't even get an audition.

    As far as DJs deserving the same as a brand new Denny's waitress, are you fucking kidding me?



    Granted, I have seen the newbie DJs that didn't even deserve that, but I've seen far, far more dancers who shouldn't be on any kind of stage at all.

    ETA--I agree, a DJ new to stripclubs should not expect 500$ a night right off, unless maybe he is some sort of natural strip club wizard type and everyone starts making more money when he works. Some guys take to it much faster and better than others--like some dancers.

    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    I will most likely need therapy soon to deal with everything included in my job...djs don't.
    Haha dealing with 30-60 demanding women all night, any one of whom can and will run screaming to the manager or owner they are blowing if you don't play the songs the same manager or owner told you never to play, but will then fire you for refusing to play the suckdick music for the crazy bitch? It's a whole different kind of stress...

    Granted, you have to deal with some serious assholes, and the sexual assault factor is very bad. But the stress a DJ has to deal with is no easier, I think--it's just a different kind of stress.

    What I really find ironic and amusing is this, some nasty skank onstage screaming at me because no one is tipping them even though they look like a cow and aren't even trying to dance...and then stiffing me for a tip at the end of the night. And it happens all the time in clubs where there is no minimum tipout!

    The complete, utter lack of empathy in this bsuiness--going or rather failing to go in both directions--is astounding at times...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediocrity View Post
    I've worked with many DJs who didn't get a base pay (only tips), and two that did get base pay: one was a minimum wage employee, the other was $50 a shift. I was always taught that 10% goes to the DJ, and have never had a problem with that.
    Thanks for saying that.

    I actually don't think 10% is really necessary, if (as has been the case with me) they tip the minimum 10$ with no fuss, and a sizable proportion voluntarily tip 15-20, or maybe more if they bank and I've always taken good care of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Eh, he may have made the extremely bad joke about grinding, but I don't read the implied threat into that statement.

    'You take care of me I take care of you.' is just a variant of the Golden Rule 'Do unto others...'

    Now if you add an 'or else...' at the end, it's a different story lol.
    No. I assure you... I've worked with "many a dj".. "You take care of me; I take care of you" means "If you don't tip me above and beyond what's required I'll only put you on stage when I know no one's tipping and intentionally fuck up your music."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Djoser, we have all had stressful jobs before. I'm not saying you don't deserve to be compensated for it. But a high stress environment just does not come close to sexual assault.
    I have to agree with this. I have worked some ridiculously hard jobs, including being a fine dining cook working for a chef who could have been Gordon Ramsey.

    Nothing comes close to the complete lack of respect, the complete lack of attention to boundaries, AND complete... inability to know whether or not I will be able to make enough money to support myself on a regular basis. As a DJ you are able to hold some weight in the club. Management will listen to you, customers will listen to you, other staff will listen to you. I'm not saying that this isn't always the case with dancers but in most it is the truth. We are not given respect from most people - clients and coworkers - and when it comes to dealing with sexual assault, developing PTSD, the lack of stability that comes along with stripping.... there is no way that I can put that beside a stressful job and say that they are at all similar or relatable.

    In my case, the DJ is the only one I tip out and for the most part, I tip really well (by the standards at my club). The DJ has us all in a locked rotation that we can buy out of if we want but otherwise, when you're up you're up no matter what you are doing or what anyone else is doing. We choose our own music, we all get respected on stage... tipping is purely 'if you want' and you will get no special treatment for tipping or not tipping.
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    Agreed. if a DJ is great and professional he gets a bigger tip. However the fact is he doesn't put up with the stress dancers do. Let's also be honest and say that while there are dancers who shouldn't be dancing and most of us have danced with them, there are DJs who shouldn't be working either. How many of us have worked with DJs who asked us on dates, who didn't know how to run the system, played the wrong song, etc? probably most. Now that's not saying I dislike DJs. Not at all, many have become friends, but the reality is many aren't professional and shouldn't be making as much as some make. A good professional DJ should make more than a poor quality one, and a poor quality one shouldn't even be working but so many times he's a friend of the owner, or part owner or just a guy hired off the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    No. I assure you... I've worked with "many a dj".. "You take care of me; I take care of you" means "If you don't tip me above and beyond what's required I'll only put you on stage when I know no one's tipping and intentionally fuck up your music."
    And I assure you...I've said it many, many, many times. I don't doubt you've worked with some selfish prick DJs that meant something else, but when I say it, it means 'We should have mutual respect, and if we do have it, we will be very happy working together.'

    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Exactly. Also...the club is paying you to keep good club music playing the entire time. You're not "taking care of me" when you play normal poppy music when I'm onstage...therefore, your default song for me shouldn't be this if I don't "take care of you back."

    Djoser, we have all had stressful jobs before. I'm not saying you don't deserve to be compensated for it. But a high stress environment just does not come close to sexual assault.
    I wouldn't play 'normal poppy music' for you onstage unless you asked for it. I'd play whatever you asked for that wasn't against management rules, & was upbeat when it was busy. But if you repeatedly stiffed me for a tip, I'd play whatever the crowd seemed to want, and tough shit. But I know that would never happen with you, so arguing about it is kind of pointless.

    I would never, ever play the fucking Cha-Cha Slide or any other hokey, ancient, insipid joke songs that would piss off all the customers and all the other dancers that had no problem tipping a good DJ.

    Granted sexual assault is about as stressful a situation as it gets. But a good DJ in a very busy club is dealing with a zillion different stressful situations all night long, with no fucking breaks (your boyfriend is lucky to get them, but I've never heard of a busy club that lets DJs have even one break a night). I have worked every conceivable job, including several extremely high stress jobs hat left me drained at the end of the shift. Nothing has ever come close to the utter exhaustion I have felt at the end of almost every shift in a busy club.

    It's been compared to herding cats, with very good reason.

    Look, I used to bash DJs as much if not more as anyone in this thread has. Of course there a whole lot of illiterate, willfully ignorant, delusional, arrogant, lazy, drunken, drug-addled, lecherous swine thinly disguised as DJs. But for every DJ like that, there's probably 10-20 dancers who are equally as bad in every respect--because of the ratios of dancers to DJs in the business. And the DJs have to deal with them all night long, every night. All it takes is 1-3 of them on a rampage to utterly ruin your night, trust me. Just like all it takes is one customer pulling some crazy shit on you to ruin your night as well.

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    Nothing comes close to the complete lack of respect, the complete lack of attention to boundaries, AND complete... inability to know whether or not I will be able to make enough money to support myself on a regular basis. As a DJ you are able to hold some weight in the club. Management will listen to you, customers will listen to you, other staff will listen to you. I'm not saying that this isn't always the case with dancers but in most it is the truth. We are not given respect from most people - clients and coworkers - and when it comes to dealing with sexual assault, developing PTSD, the lack of stability that comes along with stripping.... there is no way that I can put that beside a stressful job and say that they are at all similar or relatable.

    Nothing comes close to the complete lack of respect, the complete lack of attention to boundaries, and the complete lack of any kind of professional work ethics of uncounted dancers I have had to work with. If you make them go onstage when it is actually their turn, or worse yet fine them for failing to show up (which happens at least half of all songs unless you go track them down most nights) they will run screaming to the manager and/or owner-- or if there is the slightest problem otherwise, telling them utter bald faced lies about you. And if they are sucking the owners and/or managers' dicks? You're fucked. Even if they aren't, you're generally still fucked. Because the owners and managers don't want to deal with whacked out, drug-addled, deranged bitches lying through their teeth about what's really going down in their clubs every night all night long. They want you to deal with it every night all night long, with no breaks. Or else.

    There is no way I can put that beside any other kind of 'stressful job and say that they are at all similar or relatable.'

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    However the fact is he doesn't put up with the stress dancers do...the reality is many aren't professional and shouldn't be making as much as some make. A good professional DJ should make more than a poor quality one, and a poor quality one shouldn't even be working but so many times he's a friend of the owner, or part owner or just a guy hired off the street.
    Poor quality dancers shouldn't even be working, but there are untold thousands of them, generally at least a couple dozen out of 80 or so total, in any medium to large sized club. They may not always be friends with the owner, but frequently they are instead sucking the owners' dicks which is, of course, much worse.

    How would you know the DJ doesn't put up with equally high stress, unless you've been in his shoes? In fact a DJ in a busy club does indeed have to put up with equally high or greater stress--it's just a different kind. You have to deal with drunken, crazy, idiotic customers refusing to follow the rules. We have to deal with drunken, crazy, idiotic dancers refusing to follow the rules, who will vow on their mother's grave that the DJ was the one breaking the rules, after rubbing all over the owners and managers who just want their dicks sucked--and often get it.

    And the DJ gets fired for trying to do his job and actually put women onstage when its their turn, dancing to music they swore they loved like life itself a week before.
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    Here's your alternative. .25 cents a song by request.


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    ^^^We've already been through this, ArmySGT, it's not 25 cents, but a dollar a song in most jukebox clubs, and almost invariably the customers are forced to listen to the same horrible slow, whiny songs and bad rap all night long, 8-10 times a night. You are still going to have to pay someone to make sure the girls get onstage--which is at least half the DJ's job in most clubs I've worked in. So the girls have to pay a dollar a song, more than they would a DJ in a small to medium sized club, PLUS tip out a guy who announces them or at least makes sure they get to stage before their two songs have finished.

    Besides, bringing up 'The Jukebox Solution' is pointless, since 97% of stripclubs don't have them and won't use them. Until that happens (not likely anytime soon), this is no solution at all.
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    I'm aware the DJs have stress, especially the quality ones, but so does dancers. However I have no sympathy for the unqualified DJs who are out there because they add stress. As for the no quality dancers, I agree they don't belong there either. I quit a club because the dancers went from at least a 7 to 3's or so, which meant less customers, which meant less money for me. Ugly and fat dancers have no place in the clubs, but that's the clubs being greedy, same reason they hire unqualified DJs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    ^^^We've already been through this, ArmySGT, it's not 25 cents, but a dollar a song in most jukebox clubs, and almost invariably the customers are forced to listen to the same horrible slow, whiny songs and bad rap all night long, 8-10 times a night. You are still going to have to pay someone to make sure the girls get onstage--which is at least half the DJ's job in most clubs I've worked in. So the girls have to pay a dollar a song, more than they would a DJ in a small to medium sized club, PLUS tip out a guy who announces them or at least makes sure they get to stage before their two songs have finished.

    Besides, bringing up 'The Jukebox Solution' is pointless, since 97% of stripclubs don't have them and won't use them. Until that happens (not likely anytime soon), this is no solution at all.
    Oh, I am aware it is not a solution. Been to one or two clubs in Kansas that did not have DJs just a Jukebox. Most of the night the dancers didn't put money in it, just danced (or spun lethargically around the pole) to whatever played randomly.

    Yeah, when the complaining got really bad, like when everyone gets on the complaint wagon, because everyone else is bitchin, bitchin, bitchin............ just rent a jukebox for a week. Sure everyone take a hit monetarily, then they remember that a club is a collaborative effort.

    The likelihood of that happening is about nil, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I'm aware the DJs have stress, especially the quality ones, but so does dancers. However I have no sympathy for the unqualified DJs who are out there because they add stress. As for the no quality dancers, I agree they don't belong there either. I quit a club because the dancers went from at least a 7 to 3's or so, which meant less customers, which meant less money for me. Ugly and fat dancers have no place in the clubs, but that's the clubs being greedy, same reason they hire unqualified DJs.
    I agree 100% that the lousy DJs add stress to any club--as if there wasn't enough of it already lol...
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    And I assure you...I've said it many, many, many times. I don't doubt you've worked with some selfish prick DJs that meant something else, but when I say it, it means 'We should have mutual respect, and if we do have it, we will be very happy working together.'
    As much as you'd it to mean "I'd like to have mutual respect for one another" it's still a sleazy saying with sleazy implications...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    As much as you'd it to mean "I'd like to have mutual respect for one another" it's still a sleazy saying with sleazy implications...
    Only in your mind, not in mine. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever inherently sleazy in the saying. But there's no point in arguing about it, it's just a difference of opinion about a saying that has very little to do with the actual dynamics between dancers and DJs.

    The bottom line is, there's got to be mutual respect, or things are not going to work well.
    You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

    Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
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