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    Dizzy *customer* arrested for fondling a dancer

    http://www.pjstar.com/news/x10594311...-at-strip-club


    wow... if this was posted on april 1 i would have assumed it ti be an april fools day joke. never heard of a customer arrested for fondling a dancer.

    the article is non specific though... it sounds like the customer was just being handsy, in which case it seems that the bouncer could have just thrown him out and banned him instead of arresting him. arresting customers for things like this seems overkill to me as well as a way to scare away potential business.

    if he was sticking fingers in orifices against her will though, then fucker had it coming and im glad that there is some club out there that actually backs up the dancers.
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Default Re: *customer* arrested for fondling a dancer

    Wow. I mean, shitty that the guy went a little too far but... remind me to never get a dance from that girl. Just in case she's having a bad night, I don't want to get caught on the downward side of her vengeance. Definite overkill.

    Edit: Agree with Athena's last point, of course. If there was more going on than the story was saying, he may have had it coming. Still, if he was doing it before and she just warned him, and still sold him dances...?
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    Default Re: *customer* arrested for fondling a dancer

    He "fondled her" during the third dance? Sounds like he got his fingers in her lady bits from the context of the small news report. If that's the case then it's nice to see the customer arrested for once instead of the dancer. If it's not the case and he grazed her arm or something - it's a bit excessive. Paying an extra $100 and getting kicked out should have been sufficient punishment.

    I can't help but think he deserved it though. Strip clubs rarely seek out this kind of negative attention unless it's REALLY warranted (and sometimes not even then).



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    if he forcefully finger fucked her then yes he deserves it

    if he was just being handsy and grabbed her boob and it was just hte last straw for her then they should have just kicked him out and banned him.

    but forceful penetration, either by a finger or any other object or body part, is a totally separate ballpark. although ive always thought of fondling as being used to describe feeling a girl's chest up.
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    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Default Re: *customer* arrested for fondling a dancer

    Yeah, when I think fondling, I think outside contact. Forceful entry falls more in the rape category. Though not as horrific as what I generally think of when I hear rape, any sort of unwanted penetration is where I draw the definition between unwanted fondling and rape.
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    I always associated fondling with a Vagina diddle. Must be a regional thing. Always thought boob-grabbing was more of a 'grope'.

    Will have to google in a few days to see what came out of this.



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    regardless of the actual facts of this case, IMHO the clubowner who called the cops on this customer just signed the club's 'death warrant'.

    For better or for worse, the absolute LAST thing that should happen for a club economically is instilling a fear in would-be customers that they could be 'thrown to the wolves' via sexually related criminal charges being leveed against them upon the word of an 'unhappy' stripper. This is shades of the Duke Lacrosse case ... and is similarly based on the fact that the mere accusation of having committed a sex crime can inflict real and substantial damage upon the accused ... real and substantial damage cannot be 'undone' if it turns out later that the accusations were bogus.

    For local businessmen, suburban husbands etc., they would be absolutely crazy to expose themselves to such a potential risk. Thus once word gets around, the only remaining customers at this club are likely to be perverts who have nothing to lose if ( another ) sex crime charge winds up being added to their own criminal records !!!

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    I think this is exactly the way this sort of thing should be handled. It's a hell of a lot better than the "stab him in the eye / cut his dick off / break his bones because the motherfucker deserves it" violent overreaction that more often gets reported. She allegedly warned him multiple times, too.

    Melonie, you raise very valid concerns. I would hope that both parties would realize how high the stakes are (his reputation and job loss, her reputation, career loss, and a possible civil suit from him if her claim proves to be false) and prevent the assault or false claims in the first place. I'm probably hoping for too much though.
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    I'm not a proponent of having the cops called in any but the most extreme circumstances. The standard 'you touch the girls wrong, the bouncer removes a few of your teeth' method works just fine, as far as I'm concerned.
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    i wish i would actually see bouncers beating up customers who deserve it like you do in the movies. key word is who deserve it... if a customer keeps being grabby then i do think that he is asking to be slapped around... however, usually if a girl asks a bouncer for help the worst that the bouncer will do is tell them to leave, but even that is rare. most of the time they will either tell them to stop or ignore the problem or tell the girl its their job to handle it. since the bouncers dont slap the customers around, the girls are left to it.

    in terms of calling hte cops, if a customer forcefully penetrates a girl i think it is warranted. esp. in terms of rape, if hte girl chooses. however, pressing charges for sexual assault is sadly usually a fruitless effort for the girl who presses the charges, since the jury is not likely to take a stripper seriously.

    but if a customer forcefully penetrates a girl, i feel like this should not detract so much from decent customers. as long as a man has enough faith in himself to not rape hte strippers, it should affect him. unless his attitude is "oh no i am not sure if i am not going to be able to rape a girl tonight and am risking all sorts of problems by going to that club", in which case its probably best he doesnt go to the strip club.
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    I've been fortunate to work in clubs where the bouncers actually took care of the girls. They were always very clever about starting fights, always managing to somehow instigate the customer into throwing the first punch. It was all over after that.

    I'll never forget one particular customer who had his ass handed to him after he threw the first punch at the bouncer. The customer called the cops. After reviewing the footage, the police asked the manager if they should take the customer to jail. The customer took a swing at the manager RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE. The manager ducked and the customer's fist connected with one of the officers. If you thought the bouncers had their way with the customer, you should have seen the beating that the police gave him.
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    at all the clubs htat i have worked at (a bit over 30) i think i have seen only a couple of fights break out involving customers, and both were put down quickly.

    my current club is good about kicking out customers, but i have never seen the 'bouncers' beat up a customer. actually, at my club the 'bouncers' are referred to as floor guys and are not necessarily strong in stature. however, we despite the fact that we are on bourbon st in new orleans, we dont really seem to get violent or aggressive customers. we get a lot of drunk douchebags and the occasional belligerent, but i havent seen a situation that got violent. the fact that our club has the info of every person who walks thru the door (id checks-- i think they take hte name down) and we have a camera guy who keeps a close eye on everything is probably part of it.

    i did work one place once where the manager shot a customer a couple of days after i left. this club was weird-- the bouncers were super professional and nice, but the owner was convinced that bouncers would try to fuck the dancers so he wouldnt let them inside the club, they stood by the door. and the manager would act as bouncer. the whole situation was totally fail. and it got even worse when one of hte managers was crazy and lost his temper and followed a customer out to his car and shot him. yea..... god bless texas!
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    I worked at a club where the bouncers did beat up the customers lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    regardless of the actual facts of this case, IMHO the clubowner who called the cops on this customer just signed the club's 'death warrant'.

    For better or for worse, the absolute LAST thing that should happen for a club economically is instilling a fear in would-be customers that they could be 'thrown to the wolves' via sexually related criminal charges being leveed against them upon the word of an 'unhappy' stripper. This is shades of the Duke Lacrosse case ... and is similarly based on the fact that the mere accusation of having committed a sex crime can inflict real and substantial damage upon the accused ... real and substantial damage cannot be 'undone' if it turns out later that the accusations were bogus.

    For local businessmen, suburban husbands etc., they would be absolutely crazy to expose themselves to such a potential risk. Thus once word gets around, the only remaining customers at this club are likely to be perverts who have nothing to lose if ( another ) sex crime charge winds up being added to their own criminal records !!!

    As always, Melonie has a point. I wonder just what this guy did that made them call in the big guns.

    Hell, one customer where I worked went vampire crazy on a girl sitting a few seats from me and bit her neck so hard he drew blood. They called the cops on him. She never came back to the club after that day. Sh## happens man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by arielbriel View Post
    I worked at a club where the bouncers did beat up the customers lol.
    Me too. The club eventually ended up firing all of the aggresive bouncers because it was actually attracting more fights, weird huh.

    Now, they just let the cops deal with the really rowdy customers because they have guns after all and people tend to respect someone that can haul you off to jail quicker than a stripclub bouncer.

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    i guess another thing i totally forget about my club is due to its location, cops are always around since they parade up and down bourbon. i have seen them in teh club a couple of times, i usually have no idea why and i dont usually bother asking, i just try to make myself scarce when i see them.

    im guessing if a customer really did get out of control at my club the cops would come in and take htem out but i dont think it would be a big enough deal to detract from business. most likely the title to any article about it would be "customer arrested for assault in bourbon st strip club". we are a wild town. people dont expect any better from us .
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4everresolutions View Post
    I always associated fondling with a Vagina diddle. Must be a regional thing. Always thought boob-grabbing was more of a 'grope'.

    Will have to google in a few days to see what came out of this.
    That's how I've always felt too. "Fondling" has way more creepazoid factor to it, groping is lesser unwanted touching.

    Either way, fuck that guy. He probably deserved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    http://www.pjstar.com/news/x10594311...-at-strip-club


    wow... if this was posted on april 1 i would have assumed it ti be an april fools day joke. never heard of a customer arrested for fondling a dancer.

    the article is non specific though... it sounds like the customer was just being handsy, in which case it seems that the bouncer could have just thrown him out and banned him instead of arresting him. arresting customers for things like this seems overkill to me as well as a way to scare away potential business.

    if he was sticking fingers in orifices against her will though, then fucker had it coming and im glad that there is some club out there that actually backs up the dancers.
    Ok I don't strip right. If it's no contact LD and that's what's advertised then a boob grab , ass grab should get you arrested. You are still touching someone against their wishes and that's assault. I don't care if it's poking fingers in a vagina or boob grabbing. It's still crossing someone's boundaries. If women are so numb that they have lost the feeling because so many men have touched their boobs or slapped them on the ass then that's their issue. But If you tell a guy NO from the beginning and he says" fuck this dumb bitch because I'm paying" and grabs your boobs anyways then he just said . You're a dumb ho and I'll do what I want.

    So great job to that place because perhaps men will be respectful when going into the club. I mean seriously..who want's to be molested daily? I think this the one part about the job that most strippers hate. Unwanted touching. They are called strippers because they strip. Not grabbies or groppies. Sheesh.

    If the stripper is ok with it then she should have that right to say "yes you can touch me here or there" and that should just be respected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnjdick View Post
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    I'll never forget one particular customer ... The customer took a swing at the manager RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE. The manager ducked and the customer's fist connected with one of the officers. If you thought the bouncers had their way with the customer, you should have seen the beating that the police gave him.
    Police overkill yet again. What do these cops do, take lessons from hockey players?
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    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    Police overkill yet again. What do these cops do, take lessons from hockey players?
    In this particular case, I think the guy rather deserved it. Anyone who punches a cop is just asking to get his ass kicked. Compound that with his behavior in the club (not only was he being perverted and aggressive, he had the gall to jump on stage and walk through into the dressing room)... yeah, not shedding any tears in this instance of police brutality.
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    I agree with those who feel that calling the police was a little drastic. This could have been handled by tossing him out - and maybe using his head to open the door for his departure. I also agree with Melonie in that this club likely did itself no favors by calling the cops.

    But all of that aside, wtf was this guy thinking? Just put the $20 (or whatever the amount was) down and walk away already. I'm not sure how he thought things would turn out ok if he fondled her after she repeatedly warned him not to touch her. What a fucking moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    Ok I don't strip right. If it's no contact LD and that's what's advertised then a boob grab , ass grab should get you arrested. You are still touching someone against their wishes and that's assault. I don't care if it's poking fingers in a vagina or boob grabbing. It's still crossing someone's boundaries. If women are so numb that they have lost the feeling because so many men have touched their boobs or slapped them on the ass then that's their issue. But If you tell a guy NO from the beginning and he says" fuck this dumb bitch because I'm paying" and grabs your boobs anyways then he just said . You're a dumb ho and I'll do what I want.

    So great job to that place because perhaps men will be respectful when going into the club. I mean seriously..who want's to be molested daily? I think this the one part about the job that most strippers hate. Unwanted touching. They are called strippers because they strip. Not grabbies or groppies. Sheesh.

    If the stripper is ok with it then she should have that right to say "yes you can touch me here or there" and that should just be respected.
    i have no problem with the titty grabbing customers getting tossed out or decked in the face, either by a bouncer or dancer, but calling the cops is a bad move for these guys. for one thing, SOOOO many customers try to grab a boob at one pt or another, and when drunk will try twice or thrice, that the cops would be at the club wayy too much for anyone's comfort. and if a club becae known for constantly arresting customers, then as melonie stated it would be bad for business.

    aside for being bad for business, if a club kept calling the police it would draw unwanted legal attention on a separate level. if a town is using its resources to basically play personal body guard to the strippers, this is just further incentive for the town to try to crack down on the strip club. or if the town alreayd has stupid laws, it is further incentive for the cops to go undercover and enforce the stupid laws. and when cops start enforcing stupid laws, it is hell on the dancers- i have wokred in an area where a girl got ticketed for tripping and grabbing an undercovers shoulder to steady herself while topless and anotehr one where air dances were required and a girl got arrested because her hair touched an undercovers lap. and it is often benificial for local politicians to try to shut down local strip clubs to help them get elected.... a strip club constantly calling the police would be asking for this type of trouble IMO.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    I believe if a man is sexually assaulting a woman in a strip club as a customer or not it is illegal & her right to press charges. 20bucks or 200 doesn't give any1 rights to violate any1. Forget profit or customers if a club can't control it's customers from these things happening then maybe they shouldn't be in business. I know clubs here I won't work at because they are known to leave a dancer in a remote room where she can be raped or killed before anyone would ever notice & the guys can pay the bouncers not to check till they are done. Sorry, but as a dancer who values myself & my well being it's not worth it. I had a stupid custie once bite me (on a lapdance) & I should of pressed charges on him becuz he left me bruised up for a week from it, but luck for me my manager & bouncers stopped him before I decided to claw his eye out as 2 secs more I would of & they asked me before kicking him out if I wanted to press charges, but I didn't becuz I was to bz worried about what he had done to me.

    I'm not say arrest every handsy guy in the club, but those that come in there to rape, assault, or violate a woman should not be in the club & if they do attack a girl before bouncers can do anything about it well the law is the law. Too much illegal shit flies under the radar at clubs, but there is a limit customers should not cross period.
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    ^^i wholeheartedly agree that no girl should be discouraged from pressing charges if she is raped or sexually assaulted... although i feel that groping a girls tit against her will is in the milder category of sexual assault. unfortunately though, the most active force in discouraging pressing charges for sexual assault, other than possibly the management, is the legal system itself, where there is a very slim chance that a sex worker will be able to successfully win a case in court.

    any club though that goes through lenghts to protect customers who rape girls needs to be closed IMO. i understand not wanting every grope to make it to teh legal radar, but rape is a much more serious crime and customers should know that raping a dancer falls under the same category as raping any other human being. as i stated before, prosecuting rape should not drive away quality customers... any customer who feels like if they are let loose in the strip club that htey will not be able to stop themselves from raping the dancers should not be allowed in the strip club. actually these men are best not allowed anywhere, except behind bars.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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