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    Dizzy Grinding / Heavy Contact

    Reading some reviews, it seems like dancing in certain locals/clubs involves (clothed) contact with the client's.. umm.. tool.

    Air dances, yup. Sitting on a lap, sure. But that, really?
    This seems certainly like a biig extra!
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    Default Re: Grinding / Heavy Contact

    believe it or not ...cock grinding is what the clean dancers do here in LA

    i don't consider that an extra - just saying..

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    Isn't it a bit unhygienic with the moistness? especially if he finishes?

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    Default Re: Grinding / Heavy Contact

    I remember when I was a newbie I couldn't believe it either... I worked in RI too.. grinding is part of the lap dance... but I got over it and realized you kinda can't help it.. not like I would seek out the "tool", but when you're grinding.. you feel it sometimes, and yes it's gross lol, change positions often.

    I hope you find an air dance club you're comfortable with

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    Fuck that. The most I'll commit to doing is to sit on one leg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yyyrrrrtt View Post
    Isn't it a bit unhygienic with the moistness? especially if he finishes?
    Even with heavy contact, most guys definitely DON'T finish and get "moist." If you're doing that much grinding, you're really going overboard...

    At my club, it's just part of the dance and everyone does it, but not for long periods of time. You do it here and there, and a lot of times you don't even notice a boner unless you're searching it out, or the guy's wearing sweatpants.

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    Default Re: Grinding / Heavy Contact

    grinding is pretty standard and not an extra in almost every location i have worked at. no need to take a snobby attitude towards it considering 90% of the girls on this board (although some might try to pretend they are above it) do in fact grind during their lapdances. if clothed boners give you the willies, then you might be in the wrong profession, unless you are in an area where airdances are the norm as well as lucrative. this is not common though.

    also even with grinding, the goal is not for them to finish. my whole time dancing i think i have had maybe 2 guys get off. the goal is to tease them enough but not get there. it requires paying attention to the customer... its usually pretty easy to see if they are headed in that direction (of cumming that is) and then you dont grind for a bit.
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    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Oh sorry! totally don't like mean to offend or like judge anyone..
    I guess its pretty tame here being in a small town with lots of college boys and not a lot of competition

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    Default Re: Grinding / Heavy Contact

    Heavy contact and grind is part of the territory for being a clean dancer where I am from. its sometimes hard to convience guys to get dances when extras like full out sex and blowjob is the about the same prices for my two dances. My guy even says no matter how hot you are it doesn't matter cus when you need your load unloaded you will definately will go with the extras girl, even if she's got a butterface.

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    Default Re: Grinding / Heavy Contact

    exactly what the above girls have said. I find contact dances to be easier because you don't have to rely so much on your own muscles and contact dances keep me "present" (I don't understand this but I lose count with non-contact). Grinding is just something else to do to pass time, as far as I'm concerned. I didn't do it at first but got over that quickly.
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    This just made me think of the snobby bitter waitresses we have out our club that all sit around bored at the table next to the lap dance couches...and all talk shit about our dances WHILE we're dancing for someone.

    "Omg, look at her, all she's doing is grinding!"
    "Ugh gross, she just put her ass right up next to his face"

    WTF?? This is how a lapdance goes, it pisses me off because no one is doing anything remotely 'extra' while they're talking shit. No contact doesn't mean a 'clean' dance...I honestly think it makes a boring dance, or a dance not even worth it. If I were a dude, I would never pay for that. It's a LAP dance, we're supposed to be in their lap.

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    I was the only one giving air dances in a grind club, and I was a top earner (usually the top earner).

    Just sayin'.

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    Those must have been one hell of a sexy air dance, lol. I work at a very clean club, and I still can't see air dances passing as acceptable here.

    So you'd still get ask to do multiple dances? Like 4-6 at a time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyLovR View Post
    Those must have been one hell of a sexy air dance, lol. I work at a very clean club, and I still can't see air dances passing as acceptable here.

    So you'd still get ask to do multiple dances? Like 4-6 at a time?
    Yes. That's usually how it'd start--someone would buy just one dance, and extend, extend, extend. There were always a couple of guys who weren't buying what I was selling and would only get one dance. But the guys I'd end up spending my nights with loved that I focused on sensuality instead. My target demographic was mostly older intellectuals. Though I'd get all sorts of guys to buy multiples--Mexicans, younger guys, etc.

    It wasn't so much about the dance itself, I don't think. I have a way of engaging people in what I'm doing / saying. Shrugs.

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    Default Re: Grinding / Heavy Contact

    I like grinding, but the clubs that allow that kind of contact here in Virginia are trashy juicebars (completely topless). The money is really good in those places, though (like really, really good). However, the housefee is ridiculously high (for how nasty those clubs are), and they're just creepy (like old and nasty; broken couches, bad lighting, old jukeboxes, no food, etc). Plus, those clubs are filled with fugly, "extras" girls who...you know.





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    I've always pictured it just like that, too^ *curious*..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Charlie, I've always been curious as to what you (and other dancers for that matter) qualify as an "air dance." Whenever I picture an air dance I always picture the dancer 3 feet from where the custy is sitting and just posing with eye contact. Obviously, that's probably not the case, but are you very strictly no contact? For example, would you ever put one foot on the couch next to the custy's thigh or sit sideways next to the custy with your legs stretched out over his lap? Could you provide a couple examples of moves you would do beyond just standing or posing (unless that's all you really do)?
    also been curious... ive worked at clubs where a 20$ air dance just meant dont sit in their lap. but ive also worked at clubs where a 20$ air dance meant even touching the customers shoulder was against the rules. and ive even worked at a clubs where the air dances were 0 contact and you had to dance on a pedestal (i feel like any area that has a law like this should be investigated for trying to inflict bodily harm on us... dancing on a platform while in stilettos is an ankle disaster waiting to happen).

    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    I was the only one giving air dances in a grind club, and I was a top earner (usually the top earner).

    Just sayin'.
    dont you work in an area where dances are 10 or 20$ though?

    there is a difference depending on where you are. at my club dances are 40$ and the champagne rooms range from expensive to very expensive to extremely expensive. i do moderate grinding during the regular dances-- typically under under 10s at a time, although if i get a customer who is willing to spend over 100$ on lapdances then i will offer progressively more grinding since i keep a larger percentage of dance money than of the champagne rooms (75% of dance money, tips excluded, 40-60% of CR money, tips excluded).

    also, i started at a club where grinding was the norm. i had no idea how to give a lapdance... how did i learn? example. all of hte other girls grind so monkey see, monkey do. i also started at a club where we had to keep 1 ft on the floor. and as a result, even now that i dont have to at my current club, i usually do keep one foot on the floor just by habit. since i learned to give LDs with grind, i find air dances annoying. we have 20$ table dances at our club (not true air dances, we arent supposed to grind but there is contact) but quite frankly i feel way to much like i am teetering around on my heels while trying to look sexy. grinding is a lazy move, i will give it that. it manages to waste a lot of time while i dont need to think or balance.

    But back to the CR prices, since i am unable to type things in a linear fashion, my CRs are expensive and one of the main things i upsell is 2 way contact. and in the CR i grind more. however, in the CR even though i give higher contact dances, i am usually able to convince the customer very quickly that cuddling is just as awesome. or him lying down with his head in my lap. or me just straddling him while chatting with him. all of these things would be counter to 'air dance' rules but i think they are perfectly acceptable, especailly when the median price for a CR at my club is 1140$ an hour. it would be a lot harder to get customers to renew these rooms if you were not willing to provide contact when topless becasue then waht... i could give an airdance and then suggest cuddling but then i would have to put my top back on before cuddling? that whole idea seems troublesome and very sterile, rigid, and mechanical. And the last thing that i want to provide my customer who spends over a grand for an hour of my time is an experience that does not seem fluid or natural. i dont see how cuddling/having his head in my lap*/ straddling him when topless is any bigger a deal than when i ahve a bikini top in.

    *my club is topless, i can see how having a customers head in your lap when nude would be a problem.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Default Re: Grinding / Heavy Contact

    I work in a nude, heavy contact club - lots of grinding expected. Girls keep little towels/squares of fabric on them to put on the customers lap while we dance. Most don't mind, and if they do comment I say it's softer on my bum. I've only had a few men disgusted by the idea of my "Loin-cloth" (as a funny custy said once), and those assholes then get to pay for a nude dance that's really just topless.

    I don't think I could do purely 100% air dancing - I'm far to lazy for that! How exhausting!



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    Quote Originally Posted by 4everresolutions View Post
    I work in a nude, heavy contact club - lots of grinding expected. Girls keep little towels/squares of fabric on them to put on the customers lap while we dance. Most don't mind, and if they do comment I say it's softer on my bum. I've only had a few men disgusted by the idea of my "Loin-cloth" (as a funny custy said once), and those assholes then get to pay for a nude dance that's really just topless.

    I don't think I could do purely 100% air dancing - I'm far to lazy for that! How exhausting!
    i have never worked in a club where a butt cloth was the norm.. well actually its possible but the nude dances were behind a curtain so i have no idea if girls did this or not.

    when i did work at aforementioned nude club, i guess it didnt occur to me that there were hygeine issues. i would grind, but i didnt grind my pussy on the customers so i didnt see any problem. ive always used my leg or buttcheek. i do find the idea of a butt cloth to be quite comical though.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Grinding is easier. It makes the dance go by quicker and they will usually get another dance if you actually touch them. That being said, you don't have to grind the whole time - I don't just here and there and close to the end of the song. It's pretty common practice at all the clubs I've been to minus in Orlando.
    Grinding is not "extra".

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Charlie, I've always been curious as to what you (and other dancers for that matter) qualify as an "air dance." Whenever I picture an air dance I always picture the dancer 3 feet from where the custy is sitting and just posing with eye contact. Obviously, that's probably not the case, but are you very strictly no contact? For example, would you ever put one foot on the couch next to the custy's thigh or sit sideways next to the custy with your legs stretched out over his lap? Could you provide a couple examples of moves you would do beyond just standing or posing (unless that's all you really do)?
    I always stood between their legs about 8 in from their crotch, and danced around there. Sometimes I would lean over them and put my hands on the wall behind them, but I have long arms. But there was never ever any touching.

    For the record I hate grinding. It makes me feel like puking. I think that's because I "grew up" in an air dance club and didn't start doing proper lap dances until 2007.

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    I've always thought of some level of grinding as the norm, for the reasons that Athena stated, it's what I learned. I actually like to use grinding as a method to keep my bottoms on as long as possible...for always having worked in nude clubs I've sold a loooot of "topless" dances haha. I'm just not as comfortable with the kitty out, and definitely not as willing to offer heavy contact like grinding while nude--it just bothers me a bit. So when take my bottoms off I usually switch over to something more cuddly, or putting the focus back on boobs.

    What I've never understood are the gyno shows. The shoving your pussy in a guys face move that a lot of girls do. I know its 100% legal, but aren't you afraid someone is going to like...I dunno violate you if you put your junk that out there? I am vigilant of my naked junk!

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    I will rub my ass all over their crotch just so long they don't touch me! Amen!

    Btw, I work at a full nude club. I just use my ass cheeks instead of anything else to get the friction. I don't want my lady parts touching those men!

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    I always found it much easier to make money in high contact clubs.....air dance clubs (just the experiences I have had personally) were a big pain in the ass. I basically spent all night explaining why I couldn't do certain things and also fighting with guys trying to pay me more to break the rules.

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    ^we all have our preferences...i was about to threadjack this thread to ask but im gonna start a new thread.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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