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    So I've seen guys do this but last night was the first time it happened to me personally. Two guys, who were together, sat at a stage and tipped some girls but not others yet they remained in their seats watching the ladies dance as if only some of the girls deserve to be tipped. I made every attempt to be friendly and flirt to get em tipping me but it just wasn't happening. (I noticed they were only tipping the girls who do the Cirque Du Soleil style floorwork...and that ain't me.)

    Obviously, this is incredibly rude bad manners on the part of the customers and I don't take it personal. What I'm curious about is how some of you handle guys who will sit at a stage and just stare at a dancer they have no intention of tipping?

    At my club we can get sent home if we don't get topless so as tempting as it was to stop dancing and sit down on the stage staring back at these jerks with all my clothes on, that wasn't an option.

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    I ignored guys like that. Instead I concentrated on the men who were tipping. I did work at a club where they only got guys who didn't tip at the stage so I refused to get topless. Yes I got yelled at but I didn't care because if I'm not getting paid they don't deserve a show.

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    I don't understand why you feel like someone who sits at the stage and is more than willing to tip when he sees something he likes is obligated to tip you when he doesn't see something he likes. I agree completely that when you get a deadbeat who just sits and leers at all the girls, sipping the same drink he ordered 2 hours ago and won't tip anyone, that's irritating.

    Why should a guy have to get up and move somewhere else though, just because he doesn't feel like tipping you? Maybe if he gets up and moves away from the stage because he doesn't care for you, the next girl ends up missing out on a tip he might have given.

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    Just keep on dancing as if you would if they were tipping you. If you do anything about it (make a comment/ignore them) then other customers will see that and it could deter them from tipping you or going for dances with you later. Act like you're having fun, and customers will feel more inclined to tip you. I can imagine how much that would suck (stage tipping barely ever happens at my club, so it could be worse!), but, think of stage as a way to promote yourself to sell lap dances later. Stage tips are nice, but, in most clubs they aren't your main income.

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    Btw, looks like Sylvia is back.

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    NikkiU, I see you've listed yourself as "curious about being a dancer", so I'll explain why sitting at a stage and not tipping is considered rude, in a way you might understand better.

    Obviously we know that waitresses make their money from tips, as well. When you go to a restaurant how do most people tip the server? Generally, as a rule-of-thumb most people tip the "usual" 15-20% of the bill for decent service and an amazing server who went above and beyond and gave you awesome service will get a larger than average tip. Most people will only stiff a waitperson on the tip if the service has been so completely subpar that it ruined the dining experience and the server really didn't do the bare minimum of their job. Correct?

    If a gentleman/gentlemen choose to continue sitting at a stage while a dancer they're not partial too does her JOB and makes an effort for them to enjoy their experience yet they don't tip that dancer even a de minimis amount, that is the equivalent (and in many ways more rude) of stiffing a waitperson who did their job correctly. If a customer really loves the girls who do a back handspring into the splits then, of course, they should tip those girls more. That's not the point.

    There are 7 stages in my club and often times all 7 stages will be open before the night gets going and there will only be 1-2 customers at each stage. This was the scenario last night, these 2 were the only guys at that stage and could have comfortably moved back and forth to a table, or stages with girls they preferred, etc. Later in the evening when the stages are all packed someone could easily go unnoticed if they aren't tipping every girl but when they're the only people at a stage it is extremely awkward and rude to the dancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    Just keep on dancing as if you would if they were tipping you. If you do anything about it (make a comment/ignore them) then other customers will see that and it could deter them from tipping you or going for dances with you later. Act like you're having fun, and customers will feel more inclined to tip you. I can imagine how much that would suck (stage tipping barely ever happens at my club, so it could be worse!), but, think of stage as a way to promote yourself to sell lap dances later. Stage tips are nice, but, in most clubs they aren't your main income.
    This! As much as it sucks to not get tipped, you're on stage in front of the *whole* club, and if you don't put on a good show, it will reflect badly on you.

    I just try not to dance in front of guys who aren't tipping -- if they want me to come over to them, they better have money in their hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikkiU View Post
    I don't understand why you feel like someone who sits at the stage and is more than willing to tip when he sees something he likes is obligated to tip you when he doesn't see something he likes. I agree completely that when you get a deadbeat who just sits and leers at all the girls, sipping the same drink he ordered 2 hours ago and won't tip anyone, that's irritating.

    Why should a guy have to get up and move somewhere else though, just because he doesn't feel like tipping you? Maybe if he gets up and moves away from the stage because he doesn't care for you, the next girl ends up missing out on a tip he might have given.
    If they are sitting up there obviously watching why can't they just tip her anyway even if they don't like her? Is $1 or 2 really gonna break the bank? It just seems rude to me, I think if someone is sitting at the stage they should at least give each girl the minimum they are supposed to tip for sitting there and then whatever else they want to tip based on how much they like a girl's stage show. Seriously...it's a dollar.

    I'm not directing this towards you, I just figured I'd use the situation in your post as an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikkiU View Post
    I don't understand why you feel like someone who sits at the stage and is more than willing to tip when he sees something he likes is obligated to tip you when he doesn't see something he likes. I agree completely that when you get a deadbeat who just sits and leers at all the girls, sipping the same drink he ordered 2 hours ago and won't tip anyone, that's irritating.

    Why should a guy have to get up and move somewhere else though, just because he doesn't feel like tipping you? Maybe if he gets up and moves away from the stage because he doesn't care for you, the next girl ends up missing out on a tip he might have given.
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    I used to get really creative at KO's...doing a lot of floorwork, ooops my leg would "accidentally" spill a beer on their lap, near impalement by an 8 inch stiletto, etc.

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    Sylvia needs to get a life.

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    Default Re: Guys who sit at a stage and don't tip...

    I honestly don't know who this Sylvia person is but I guess I see a little bit of your point when you compare it to service at a restaurant. From my perspective, if a guy is already sitting at the stage and has been tipping other girls but I'm just not his type, I'm not sure if I'd rather he just sit and not tip me, or get up and walk away. It seems to me that having a couple guys at my stage, whether they are tipping or not, may make it more likely for other guys to think I'm putting on a good show and come sitt down (and potentially tip) themselves. On top of that, if I'm not going to get tipped by the guy one way or another, what difference does it make to me if he sits there, as long as he is not taking up space another guy might want to sit (and tip). It seems like you are saying that, if a guy doesn't like your look or whatever, you would rather have him acknowledge that you don't do it for him by getting up and walking away when you start dancing rather than sitting there.

    I'm not trying to pick a fight here, just asking the question. What is worse, a guy who sits and doesn't tip, or a guy who takes one look at you, thinks "ick" and then communicates that to you by standing up and walking away?

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    ^I'd rather the guy got up and left rather than me going down for a tip with my garter open and he either shakes his head "no" at me, looks away or stares at me like I have a 2nd head. Then I have to get up with my bruised ego and no tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiarose View Post
    ^I'd rather the guy got up and left rather than me going down for a tip with my garter open and he either shakes his head "no" at me, looks away or stares at me like I have a 2nd head. Then I have to get up with my bruised ego and no tip.
    Fair enough. I guess my ego would already be bruised if a guy who obviously has money and has been tipping stands up and walks away after looking at me. It would be that much worse if he came back after I was done. I feel like you should be able to tell via eye contact and body language if a guy is into what you are doing and likely to tip long before you "go down for a tip with your garter open."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikkiU View Post
    Fair enough. I guess my ego would already be bruised if a guy who obviously has money and has been tipping stands up and walks away after looking at me. It would be that much worse if he came back after I was done. I feel like you should be able to tell via eye contact and body language if a guy is into what you are doing and likely to tip long before you "go down for a tip with your garter open."
    Well since you're not a dancer yet, you don't quite understand.. If that were the case, we wouldn't approach most of the guys that come in either.. Just because they don't make eye contact or give you a "vibe" doesn't necessarily mean they aren't going to tip. They could just be shy. Let me also add that many guys will watch you dance for them and make eye contact and give you a "vibe" and I go down with my garter open and *gasp* guess what?? They STILL don't tip you! Soo....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiarose View Post
    ^I'd rather the guy got up and left rather than me going down for a tip with my garter open and he either shakes his head "no" at me, looks away or stares at me like I have a 2nd head. Then I have to get up with my bruised ego and no tip.
    Me too. Am I upset when guys have moved away from the stage and not tipped? Sure, but sitting there not tipping is far worse.

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    I couldn't agree more that I'd much much much rather a customer got up and left my stage if I'm not his type. First of all if the club is reasonably busy once he gets up I don't know or care where he goes or why he left my stage so IMO it may not even be "rejection" and I give it no further thought. (For all I know he's run out of money and going to the ATM, has to leave, etc etc etc.) If I happen to notice a guy get up and move to a table or another stage, I get it that I'm not his type (which is still no big deal). On the flip side having a customer just sit there watching you dance and not tipping even a $1, especially with a slow stage, is pretty blatant rejection and definitely made me feel like I was doing my job for free.

    I love the advice and also agree it's best to just suck it up (which is what I ended up doing) and still give a great show as there may be another customer watching from a table and eager to get a lap dance from me when I get off stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCEntertainer View Post
    So I've seen guys do this but last night was the first time it happened to me personally. Two guys, who were together, sat at a stage and tipped some girls but not others yet they remained in their seats watching the ladies dance as if only some of the girls deserve to be tipped. I made every attempt to be friendly and flirt to get em tipping me but it just wasn't happening. (I noticed they were only tipping the girls who do the Cirque Du Soleil style floorwork...and that ain't me.)

    Obviously, this is incredibly rude bad manners on the part of the customers and I don't take it personal. What I'm curious about is how some of you handle guys who will sit at a stage and just stare at a dancer they have no intention of tipping?

    At my club we can get sent home if we don't get topless so as tempting as it was to stop dancing and sit down on the stage staring back at these jerks with all my clothes on, that wasn't an option.

    I dunno where you are dancing now, but NYC is notorious for zero stage tips.

    It sucks not to get tipped on stage. In Jersey it was guaranteed... most guys would easily hand over $2-$3 dollars per song, even if I wasn't doing anything fancy. But hey, in Manhattan-Land I have noticed that guys are more interested in checking out the merchandise and then getting floor dances or rooms if they like what they see.

    That and some dancers choose to ignore stage tips... leaving them laying on the stage after a set.... because they feel that singles and fives are an insult to their personal worth.


    Customers are not OBLIGATED to tip. Even though, I feel they should(!!!) even if it is a couple of bucks. <<< Maybe I'm old fashioned or overly traditional, idk. They pay admission and they buy a drink and soak in the sights. In their minds, they have paid their dues. Those custies are a waste of space for our purposes. But hey, we all gotta roll with the punches....


    Here is my outlook:
    The stage is an obligation (unless I pay off stage). It is akin to a house fee or tip out. Sure it can be a waste of time and energy. It can wreck a sale in progress. It can be awkward, unpleasant and uncomfortable. However, it is just the cost of doing business. You have to go up every rotation and keep things looking lively for the sake of the club yada yada yada blah blah blah.


    But the idea is to show off what you've got and make an obligation into an advantage.
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    (If I notice a guy who's consistently not tipping on the tip rail) after I get off stage I: A) try to sell him a dance and (if that fails) B) tell him that 'I generally don't go up to the TIP RAIL unless I've just been on stage so if he needs my company or ONES for the TIP RAIL, he can give me "the look" or I can check up on him, or find him a waitress if he NEEDS CHANGE' .....

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    ^^^Sophia_Starina, I'm from NYC but I'm dancing in CO, where stage tips are expected and definitely part of the overall money equation.

    I'm actually moving back to Manhattan in a few weeks and will be dancing there. I can't wait to have stage tipping not be a relevant factor in my money making. I'm very familiar with the Manhattan clubs as I've patronized almost all of them with exes and former business associates (hey, I was a Wall Streeter, gotta go where the boys wanna go....lol).

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    the town i live in, the laws have changed, so we can no longer get topless on the floor, or wear thongs on the floor. all clubs are now "bikini bars" :/ only in VIP we can get topless & champagne rooms fully nude. but if i am on stage, and a dude doesnt wanna tip, ill embarrass the hell out of him and tell him to take his ass to one of the free seats where tipping isnt required.

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    ^^OMG, I totally did something like that the other day; it worked!!!





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    Quote Originally Posted by NikkiU View Post

    I'm not trying to pick a fight here, just asking the question. What is worse, a guy who sits and doesn't tip, or a guy who takes one look at you, thinks "ick" and then communicates that to you by standing up and walking away?

    your right.....in retrospect that's SO much worse. id almost rather someone try and just have a free show than just out and out rejection.

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    Default Re: Guys who sit at a stage and don't tip...

    Quote Originally Posted by NikkiU View Post
    It seems to me that having a couple guys at my stage, whether they are tipping or not, may make it more likely for other guys to think I'm putting on a good show and come sitt down (and potentially tip) themselves.
    No, actually. Having a bunch of guys sitting your stage not tipping you makes other guys go "Wow, this girl must look DISGUSTING up close if not one of these 6 guys will even throw her a dollar. Guess I'll stay right here in my seat and wait for someone worth tipping."



    As for the original question: I dance for everyone once... Then I only dance for men who've tipped me. Guys who didn't tip the first time around either take the hint and tip me... or get mad that I won't dance for them and leave the stage. Either way works for me really.
    If there's one guy and he's not tipping... I'll still get naked. Just ignore him and dance for all the other guys in the room, or our sexy female bar tender who likes to watch me naked.
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    I think sitting there and not tipping is not as bad as walking away as soon as the girl approaches the steps for stage. That to me is the worst. I hate the fact that there will be 10 guys at stage tipping a goofy chubby girl who can't dance, but as soon as I walk up the steps 6 of them get up before I even hit the stage. It makes me feel like they are prejudging me. But, if you aren't going to give me money no point in sitting there staring at me like I'm an alien because I'm not your type so I guess I can't be mad at the decision to leave.
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