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    I want to do a radio show tomorrow on the topic of sexual assault in the work place as it relates to sex work.

    My show on blogtalk radio was cancelled. Blogtalk booted me off because they believed that the contents of my show condones illegal activity. Those people over at blog talk talk out of their ass because you should see how many racists shows they allow to exist on their site (Aryian brothers, black hebrews, etc). I suspect much of their decision had to do with the fact that I refused to pay them for a premium membership and not due to the contents of my show, but that's a topic for another night.

    So I moved over to talkshoe.

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    http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/95294

    Anyhow tomorrow night at 6pm EST I want to do a show on sexual assault and working as a sex worker.

    I would like some of you to call in and contribute. The call in number is 1-724-4444 call id is 95294 You can also call in via skype I believe. Instructions for that should be on the link above somewhere.

    I would also like to talk about a few ideas that really repulsed me about sexual assault. I made an appearance on a friends radio show last week and him and his male buddies made fun of slutwalk Toronto and our fight against victim blaming. Here is a brief exert of our conversation on facebook:

    me: "I found this quote on one person's blog quite disturbing, "As I have repeatedly pointed out, many women absolutely hate the idea that their decisions and actions have any consequences and feminists have been actively fighting reality in this manner for literal decades", this type of thinking is dangerous in the respect that it displaces the blame for rape. Furthermore I think it is a disservice to men as it implies that *some* men cannot control their urges.

    Him: In reality though personal decisions and actions DO have consequences. That's life. And the officer did not use the words "deserved to be raped". The actual quote was, "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized”. I hear what your saying but respectfully disagree with that viewpoint. Perverts aren't politically correct. If a gal is walking around wearing only a g-string, they run the risk of becoming the target of someone who thinks and behaves irrationally.

    Me: but saying something like that takes the blame away from someone who "thinks and acts irrationally". That kind of thinking ignores the fact that by and large rapist are mostly normal men. Its hard to think of men who are brothers/fathers/husbands/working men/etc as rapists. However most rapists do not even meet criteria of recognized mental illness and are competent enough to stand trial. Furthermore if the rapist is always some drooling, perverse psychopath don't you think the conviction rates would be higher? If it was just as simple as "he's a psychopath and behaves irrationally" we would have a much higher conviction rate.

    As well stating that rapists are mostly criminally insane or animals who cannot control themselves is unfair because it puts the onus on the victim to somehow avoid being attacked.

    Him: I really can't comprehend the view of some folks. While some things in life 'ARE NOT FAIR', there are indeed consequences for one's decisions. Essentially, you can't advise someone that counting their cash on the sidewalk of a busy street might not be the best idea because they could potentially make themselves an inviting target to one of the dregs of soceity. To do so makes some view you as "blaming the victim". While some would say that anyone doing that "deserves" to have that money stolen, I most certainly am not among them YET I and others are lumped (unfairly I might add) into that crowd. I agree 100% that in counting your money, one isn't giving consent for someone to come take it BUT we live in a society where people take advantage of other people. Been that way since the beginning of time.

    Me: Anytime you bring clothing into the discussion you are blaming the victim. And now lets talk about consequences for actions....So a consequence for my decision to be a stripper is rape? Or rather is it just a "work hazard" that I have to deal with? I find this line of thinking ironic coming from someone like you who posted a few weeks ago in your profile the ideal girlfriend being a girl who puts herself through medical school by stripping. So is this fantasy girl of yours thinking about rape as just another job hazard when she gets ready for work every night? Because personally I have been a stripper and I would never go to work if I had to consider rape as being a job hazard or a consequence for my decision to strip. Nor have I ever sat here and thought, "oh gee I better quit my job because I may get raped and that will just be my consequence for stripping". Generally I think of falling off the stage, twisting my ankle, falling out of my shoes, bruising my knees, etc as job hazards that are consequences for my chosen profession, NOT RAPE OR SEXUAL ASSAULT.


    Anyhow I will be doing the show tomorrow night and I want to hear from you ladies!



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    Default Re: sexual assault at work, slutwalk (toronto), etc

    Are you open to Dancers calling in or just escorts? Do you have to do it at 6? Lol. I work tomorrow, but I'd like to call in.



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    Default Re: sexual assault at work, slutwalk (toronto), etc

    Quote Originally Posted by 4everresolutions View Post
    Are you open to Dancers calling in or just escorts? Do you have to do it at 6? Lol. I work tomorrow, but I'd like to call in.
    sure what time works good? The time is up in the air right now. Escorts/dancers/any type of sex worker can call in.



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    did you get my pm of how to do a radio show without using blogtalk radio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minniesoporno View Post
    did you get my pm of how to do a radio show without using blogtalk radio.
    sorry I don't think i did.

    I am now on talkshoe instead.



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    Default Re: sexual assault at work, slutwalk (toronto), etc

    did someone really say stop looking like sluts? was a complaint filed? i couldn't even read past that because my mind is reeling

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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    did someone really say stop looking like sluts? was a complaint filed? i couldn't even read past that because my mind is reeling
    Yes it was a Toronto police officer that said this to a group of university students. "women should stop dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized"



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    i have a lot of discomfort with slutwalk (i appreciate what they are trying to do and completely agree with the outrage - just have some concerns about its inclusiveness), but i really like that you are doing this show i will def. try to listen in if i am not busy, and might call in.

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    oh sorry the actual quote was "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized" right from the mouth of the Toronto Police.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tinydancer23 View Post
    i have a lot of discomfort with slutwalk (i appreciate what they are trying to do and completely agree with the outrage - just have some concerns about its inclusiveness), but i really like that you are doing this show i will def. try to listen in if i am not busy, and might call in.
    Just out of curiosity what do you mean by it's inclusiveness?



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    from what i have read and heard from women activists of color and low-income women, it has marginalized a lot of us. (i mean from women activists i am close to and do organizing work with.) i've also heard comments from organizers saying they are aware that they are having trouble including women who are not part of the mainstream, upper class feminist movement, and i know of woc writers who have tried to write on these issues and their articles have been repeatedly passed over for articles by upper class white women.

    http://rabble.ca/news/2011/05/slutwa...h-or-not-march
    http://tothecurb.wordpress.com/2011/...ite-supremacy/
    http://strugglingtobeheard.tumblr.co...ny-circulating
    http://www.musingsandmoans.com/2011/...slut-walk.html
    http://www.feminisms.org/2585/were-s...lk-gets-rocky/

    i guess i'm just wary because i've had a LOT of bad experiences with the mainstream feminist movement and mainstream feminist publications, so when i hear things like this from people i trust it concerns me. but i do agree with the sentiment behind the slutwalk. it's just - i come from a community where the police never had my trust to begin with, and to address issues of trust with the police has to go way beyond just what i wear, if that makes sense. where i am from, the police are more likely to shoot you than help you, and it doesn't matter what you are wearing. women who seek help for being stalked or for rape are treated like they asked for it even if they were fully clothed, just because of the perceptions of non-white women as being overly sexualized. and for some of us, we don't WANT to "reclaim" the word "slut." for low income communities of color, and for women who are sex workers in these communities, i am not sure something like slut walk would even begin to address all the baggage we have to deal with on a day to day basis. there is so much healing that has to go on with our relationships with the police in the first place to even get to this point...and white mainstream feminism has never wanted to address that. the issues are just...more nuanced and complex than it appears on the surface. for us it goes way beyond being treated like we deserved it because of how we dress.

    eta: & i'm really sorry if this doesn't make sense, i've been working all day and i'm exhausted and it's hard to put words around this for me i just - in my experience a lot of the mainstream feminist dialogue around this topic tends to ignore the fact that victim blaming is often experienced different and disproportionately by low-income women and women of color, if that makes any sense. so i'd like to see more of our views and issues represented in things like this, and from what i've heard from people i know, that has been a struggle with slutwalk. but generally speaking i'm glad that people are talking more about how harmful victim blaming is.

    okay going to take a shower & get ready for bed now...lol
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    I am poor and non-white. That said I am from Canada and the poverty I experience is much different then it is in other countries.



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    i'm glad to know you've had good experiences working with slutwalk

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