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    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_18...#ixzz1NKKLwl3D

    Funny enough, I used to work in one of the clubs mentioned. The first time I met my old stage partner was in that club. I was being hired, she came into the manager's office with her feather burlesque fans complaining about the extras girls... I knew instantly we'd make good friends! We still book performances together to this day!

    Also funny because I was just talking to a friend of mine today on the phone about how bad things have gotten here, even at the clubs that used to be nice... & now those clubs are mentioned too!
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    My old stage partner just posted this regarding the article... thought some of you might be interested:

    I met them, he was real nice though but obviously a pimp, and those girls knew what they got into. The girl who told on them was the most conniving one and she had offered my friends bf 15 dollars for a handy, and the club they worked at knew exactly what was going on but let it happen anyways...Idk whats funnier out of the article, the minivan pimpmobile or using bugs bunny to recruit hookers lol...I feel sorry for the animals and for the girls, they need help if they are easily persuaded into prostitution from a chain wearing guy named jello lol.

    The interesting thing about the primary club that this seemed to be happening in is that years ago a customer tried to accuse me of not taking off my top for a dance, & said he wanted his money back. The manager didn't even argue with him or ask me what happened. The fact was I did take my top off, but the guy was a jerk about wanting extras & basically wanted his money back because I didn't offer extras. I told the manager there was no way I was giving him the money back, I sold him a topless DANCE & that's exactly what he got! Then told the manager that if he didn't believe me to go run the tapes from the video cameras in the lap dance room... low & behold, the manager tells me they don't keep the cameras on! Of course they don't...

    According to this article the rooms are "well monitored", but I can say that was not true for at least one of the clubs mentioned. At the other club mentioned a male friend of mine went in as a customer & was told that the dancers could do something that I know for a fact is illegal. This brings us back to certain arguments regarding why this happens. Is it so the dancers earn more money & thus pay out a higher percentage of profits to the club? Do staff members just not care? Are they ignorant/naive of the laws? Or are they chicken? I can say for a fact that my old managers at one of the clubs mentioned was chicken. I reported customers running drugs to him & he didn't do a thing about it! His answer to me was "Well, we're only open another hour & a half". This customer was a total thug, & I really believe that the manager simply didn't want to deal with the chance that a fight would break lose from removing the guy. That was the same manager that told me the cameras weren't actually running... they just want to "deter" people from doing things they shouldn't. That's great, but what about when something actually happens? Chances are... the club probably doesn't want the evidence! I don't know how things are now, but when I worked at that club the bouncers were also not great about coming around to check the lap dance area. Basically, the cameras didn't work, the bouncers weren't checking the lap dance areas, & problems weren't really dealt with when reported to management. That doesn't sound "well monitored" to me! Who knows though, maybe something changed since I've been gone?

    With that said, the regional manager mentioned in the article & many of the people in the corporate office are really nice & good people... except for one who I can think of. I've complained to upper management before about issues that needed to be looked into, & they've always done it. I also know that the Denver police are nice, they don't tend to get into things unless its really necessary, but they also are very detailed. The article says that the "Clubs deny knowing of ring", but who did the reporter ask? Probably not the middleman! It's the bouncers taking tips to "overlook" things or pretend they didn't see, & the managers that don't really think about all the repercussions (or get greedy wanting their club to keep numbers up) that are the problem! Entertainers must keep in mind that there is a chain of command, & if one link is broken that means you need to skip to the next one: bouncers, managers, general manager, regional managers, owner/board of directors, police (or alternatively press). When the press says that the "clubs deny knowing" if they are referring to the people in corporate, why would they know? Did anyone tell them? It's fully possible they didn't know! On another note though, VCGH is in pretty good with the government here including the mayor, so its also just as likely that VCGH's corporate people arranged to cooperate with the police on an investigation. After all, that would make sense... once they know about problems cooperating puts corporate or owners at less risk of having to be involved in the case as defendants, & therefore less likely to have to pay any sort of legal fees. Honestly more clubs need to aim to cooperate with government if shady things are occurring, that would help all of us who really are in the striptease entertainment business!

    I think somewhere in between all of this probably lies the truth in the story, but of course that's pretty normal. Once again, this is more evidence of why VCGH doesn't generally care to hire entertainers from out of state... seems like a red flag for "potential trouble".

    Oh, what I really love about this too is that the girls are making $800 giving extras! Just for perspective, I used to make $500- $800/night as a clean dancer WITHOUT private dances (stage money) at one of the lower end clubs in Denver about a decade ago! To me that's a huge sign of how the extras really have effected our business... & another reason why as entertainers we should be reporting them to the club's chain of command as needed.
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    Default Re: Biggest SC Related Bust Denver's Seen In Years

    i'd heard about this happening from a couple girls who had worked up in Denver and then left to come back to the springs. I'm not surprised it finally got busted. I'm actually pretty thankful about it. maybe this'll help with the extras happening in those clubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    According to this article the rooms are "well monitored", but I can say that was not true for at least one of the clubs mentioned. At the other club mentioned a male friend of mine went in as a customer & was told that the dancers could do something that I know for a fact is illegal. This brings us back to certain arguments regarding why this happens. Is it so the dancers earn more money & thus pay out a higher percentage of profits to the club? Do staff members just not care? Are they ignorant/naive of the laws? Or are they chicken? I can say for a fact that my old managers at one of the clubs mentioned was chicken. I reported customers running drugs to him & he didn't do a thing about it! His answer to me was "Well, we're only open another hour & a half". This customer was a total thug, & I really believe that the manager simply didn't want to deal with the chance that a fight would break lose from removing the guy. That was the same manager that told me the cameras weren't actually running... they just want to "deter" people from doing things they shouldn't. That's great, but what about when something actually happens? Chances are... the club probably doesn't want the evidence! I don't know how things are now, but when I worked at that club the bouncers were also not great about coming around to check the lap dance area. Basically, the cameras didn't work, the bouncers weren't checking the lap dance areas, & problems weren't really dealt with when reported to management. That doesn't sound "well monitored" to me! Who knows though, maybe something changed since I've been gone?

    With that said, the regional manager mentioned in the article & many of the people in the corporate office are really nice & good people... except for one who I can think of. I've complained to upper management before about issues that needed to be looked into, & they've always done it. I also know that the Denver police are nice, they don't tend to get into things unless its really necessary, but they also are very detailed. The article says that the "Clubs deny knowing of ring", but who did the reporter ask? Probably not the middleman! It's the bouncers taking tips to "overlook" things or pretend they didn't see, & the managers that don't really think about all the repercussions (or get greedy wanting their club to keep numbers up) that are the problem! Entertainers must keep in mind that there is a chain of command, & if one link is broken that means you need to skip to the next one: bouncers, managers, general manager, regional managers, owner/board of directors, police (or alternatively press). When the press says that the "clubs deny knowing" if they are referring to the people in corporate, why would they know? Did anyone tell them? It's fully possible they didn't know!
    This is pretty much spot on. I bartended in a club that was raided by the FBI for clubs and prostitution, and after the people involved in the drugs/prostitution were weeded out/sent to jail, I ended up managing the place and and found out a bunch of dirty little secrets.
    For one thing, we had 2 sets of camera's in our private dance rooms... one set that the club claimed to the FBI never recorded anything and was just there as a deterrent. Then there was another set that nobody but management knew about that did record anything in case the club needed records for some reason.
    The managers let a lot of the prostitution go because the owner kept extreme pressure to keep profits up, and fired people seemingly randomly when he wasn't satisfied. So managers let stuff go to hit the required numbers. I am quite confident our owner knew nothing of the drugs, but indirectly it was his fault that they were there because of the pressure he placed on staff. Every single employee knew of the problems, but if they reported a problem with the money making machine, they were canned. Oh well... we reap what we sow.

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    My thing is HOW did these girls NOT know what was going on? They willingly got pimped ? I don't get it.

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    they KNEW they were getting pimped.

    some girls just really like this lifestyle. they like having a boyfriend/"daddy"/pimp figure in their life that "takes care" of their bills. Honestly, I don't really get WHY they like it (I could not do something like that) but different strokes for different folks.


    I'm pretty sure almost everybody knew about it, they just kept their mouths shut. Nobody wants to rock the boat you know.

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    i'm glad they finally got busted. domestic sex trafficking has become huge. this is going on everywhere, or at least almost everywhere. it's relatively safe. the overhead is fairly low. lots of girls willing to do it. lots of clubs willing to look the other way, and plenty more are involved but good at pretending that they're only looking the other way.

    it's too bad that the busts will probably make it harder for clean girls to make money. at least before, they could let an out of towner think that they were dirty long enough to get money out of him. maybe they'd even get lucky and get a guy who just wanted a dance.
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    Being that ugly should be a capitol offense.

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    haha, i get the whole pimp thing, but they did it for this ugly dude? really?
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    Yeah he is one ugly motherfucker.

    I hate the pimps.

    I hope he has fun pimping in jail, or better yet, being someone's little bitch lol.

    I too cannot comprehend how women allow themselves to be dominated by scum like this--but it is going on everywhere. It's a weird form of masochism, almost.
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    i recommend watching the documentary "very young girls" on netflix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    haha, i get the whole pimp thing, but they did it for this ugly dude? really?
    the vast majority of pimps i've met or otherwise noticed have been ugly. physical attractiveness doesn't seem to have much to do with it. they start off with a hustle, then use more hustle, intimidation, drugs, violence, etc to keep the girls in line.

    not to mention that most of their victims were already prone to being victimized. they start off by pushing boundaries to see if someone is easy to manipulate.

    not to mention, no one warns girls these days to watch the fuck out because that sweet talker might kidnap them, beat them, and force them into prostitution.
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    Elusive, thank you for reccomending that. It was extremly insightful. I reccomend everyone watch it.

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    I saw that documentary as well... very depressing, but shows why pimps are still around

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    Quote Originally Posted by she sells sanctuary View Post
    the vast majority of pimps i've met or otherwise noticed have been ugly. physical attractiveness doesn't seem to have much to do with it. they start off with a hustle, then use more hustle, intimidation, drugs, violence, etc to keep the girls in line.

    not to mention that most of their victims were already prone to being victimized. they start off by pushing boundaries to see if someone is easy to manipulate.

    not to mention, no one warns girls these days to watch the fuck out because that sweet talker might kidnap them, beat them, and force them into prostitution.
    oh i understand fully how it works and it's more his hustle than anything but the one's I've seen at least had some redeeming physical quality. that guy was scary ugly.
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    Supposedly there's some real superstud pimp in Miami running a bunch of girls. Superstud as in good-looking. I'd still kick the shit out of him if he came in here trying to run any of ours, I don't give a fuck what he looks like (I do remember the picture though). Of course if he had a gun he would probably then shoot me, since I have no guns, lol.
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    I know who youre talking about. He brings girls in from all over and puts them up in his aartment and takes their moeny when they work in clubs that he buys the bouncers off at.

    I heard he has a warrant in west palm so I doubt well see him here.


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    Supposedly there's some real superstud pimp in Miami running a bunch of girls. Superstud as in good-looking. I'd still kick the shit out of him if he came in here trying to run any of ours, I don't give a fuck what he looks like (I do remember the picture though). Of course if he had a gun he would probably then shoot me, since I have no guns, lol.
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