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    Sooooo I hear the govt lost alotta money "investing" in bailing out GM (which should stand for Giant Mess). Big surprise there?? Just curious, how many other people resent the bailouts and our tax money being wasted on that kind of Corp welfare crap?

    And yes I know the bailouts started with GW, a republican, but IMHO even GW was Too liberal with money. Ditto for McCain. IMHO calling most republican politicians a "true fiscal conservative" is akin to calling the band good Charlotte "authentic hardcore punk rock".

    I'm tired of all the bailout bullshit reveals over the last nearly 3yrs. Mebbe big business needs to learn to fend for itself like the capitalism they "claim" to support would say to do. These businesses want the best of everything, freedom like in capitalism but the protection of a "mommying" govt to bail them outta every time they get in trouble. Figuratively speaking these big businesses are no better than that 30 yr old ssi mooching big baby I wrote about on here last week (see my thread "big baby scumbag").

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    ^^^ and that's only the US taxpayer subsidies to selected US industries / companies that you KNOW about ! You might want to have a look at the 'welfare companies' threads in Dollar Den , if 'you can handle the truth' !

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    Welfare cheats are scum no matter who are what they are. I am tired of these corporate bailouts. The sick irony is so many of these companies used the money to outsource even more jobs. I think the boards of all these companies should all be in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Welfare cheats are scum no matter who are what they are. I am tired of these corporate bailouts. The sick irony is so many of these companies used the money to outsource even more jobs. I think the boards of all these companies should all be in prison.
    GM's entire call centre is outsourced to a company called Aditya Birla Minacs. Minacs was a Canadian company that owned several worldwide locations (mostly in Canada and the USA, but also has presence in Italy, The Philippines, and Egypt). They were taken over by Aditya Birla I believe in 2005 and merged to become "Aditya Birla Minacs". Aditya Birla is an Indian outsource company. So as "aditya birla minacs" there are now more worldwide locations.

    What's a problem for many of the employees is that because there is no union in these call centres is that they can and will allot employees 10 hour days along with treating them to the bare minimum standard. That's a long day! According to labour standards an individual does not have to work more then 8 hours a day. But try and get assigned an 8 hour day over there and good luck to you! I knew people that worked 12 hour days there not because they wanted to, but because they feared getting fired if they refused!

    Oh and I should mention they only pay a few bucks above min wage. Min wage here is $10.75, Minacs pays $12.

    So they work people to the bone for little pay.



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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    GM's entire call centre is outsourced to a company called Aditya Birla Minacs. Minacs was a Canadian company that owned several worldwide locations (mostly in Canada and the USA, but also has presence in Italy, The Philippines, and Egypt). They were taken over by Aditya Birla I believe in 2005 and merged to become "Aditya Birla Minacs". Aditya Birla is an Indian outsource company. So as "aditya birla minacs" there are now more worldwide locations.

    What's a problem for many of the employees is that because there is no union in these call centres is that they can and will allot employees 10 hour days along with treating them to the bare minimum standard. That's a long day! According to labour standards an individual does not have to work more then 8 hours a day. But try and get assigned an 8 hour day over there and good luck to you! I knew people that worked 12 hour days there not because they wanted to, but because they feared getting fired if they refused!

    Oh and I should mention they only pay a few bucks above min wage. Min wage here is $10.75, Minacs pays $12.

    So they work people to the bone for little pay.
    That does sound terrible. So the calls are coming from Canada? I am not bothered when Canadians do these jobs, but really hate when Indians do on many levels, including that they are pretty much doing slave labor jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    What's a problem for many of the employees is that because there is no union in these call centres is that they can and will allot employees 10 hour days along with treating them to the bare minimum standard. That's a long day! According to labour standards an individual does not have to work more then 8 hours a day. But try and get assigned an 8 hour day over there and good luck to you! I knew people that worked 12 hour days there not because they wanted to, but because they feared getting fired if they refused!

    Oh and I should mention they only pay a few bucks above min wage. Min wage here is $10.75, Minacs pays $12.

    So they work people to the bone for little pay.
    Minacs sounds like it sux to work at. Reminds me of an American call center employer called telerx, which most of the coworkers nicknamed telerhell or hellerx becuz it sucked so bad. The poor pay only a lil above min wage part...yea here min wage is $7.25 and they pay like $10/hr. People there re catty and obnoxious too. They make u feel forced to do overtime at times. I was duped by a temp agency into taking a job there and they were really rushed and pushy about it, wouldnt even tell me the pay rate since they knew it was far under what I was looking for, I had to be rude and interrupt their sales spiel on the job just to get an answer. They were desperate to fill the spot becuz No one else wanted it. In one week only 1 of 5 temps stayed. Oh and what's annoying is I heard that a few yrs ago they cheapes out on raises, only half of the usual 23 cent per hr raise, blaming the recession despite the fact that they were actually profitting and growing.

    So yea atleast the place is American but they treat their employees like high school students and or retards. Next time u call customer service for Quaker, Hershey, arm and hammer, purdue, or Tropicana u'll know why the workers might sound cranky or disgruntled lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    That does sound terrible. So the calls are coming from Canada? I am not bothered when Canadians do these jobs, but really hate when Indians do on many levels, including that they are pretty much doing slave labor jobs.

    No, there are several Minacs locations in the USA as well that are apart of GM/ford/Toyota/Chrysler. However you cannot guarantee which call centre you get when you call. So you say you are calling from Detroit... you may get a agent in Warren Michigan or someone in Canada or someone in Egypt!

    Minacs started off small as one location here in Oshawa Ontario. They were started off as a company that backed the auto industry, providing them with call centre solutions. Their head office is right beside GM Canada head offices! However employees work in both buildings. So everything involving customer life cycle contact is done through Minacs. Yes even collections/repossessions or financial care issues. If you ever had a car financed through GM and had to discuss your bill on the phone you were speaking to a Minacs employee. They have a location in near Detroit MI right in the GM head office there too. As well as Austin TX and I think North Carolina. They are all over Canada and the USA but also in India, Pakistan, Egypt, The Phillipines, Italy, and Mexico too I believe.

    Minacs also goes under different names as well. Before they were acquired by Aditya Birla I think they bought out convergys which has several locations in the USA as well as India.

    I can't think of a car company that hasn't outsourced 100% of their call centres (mainly to Minacs, but there are other competitors as well). Personally I do not think any of these car companies (toyota and honda too!) want to deal with customer contact on a day to day basis nor do they even want to learn the business of dealing with customers on the phone. So they outsource/near source. Problem is not every location of the outsource company is located in USA/Canada many have locations all over the world. So you may speak to someone down the street from you one day and then someone in Pakistan the next.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kthnx View Post
    Minacs sounds like it sux to work at. Reminds me of an American call center employer called telerx, which most of the coworkers nicknamed telerhell or hellerx becuz it sucked so bad. The poor pay only a lil above min wage part...yea here min wage is $7.25 and they pay like $10/hr. People there re catty and obnoxious too. They make u feel forced to do overtime at times. I was duped by a temp agency into taking a job there and they were really rushed and pushy about it, wouldnt even tell me the pay rate since they knew it was far under what I was looking for, I had to be rude and interrupt their sales spiel on the job just to get an answer. They were desperate to fill the spot becuz No one else wanted it. In one week only 1 of 5 temps stayed. Oh and what's annoying is I heard that a few yrs ago they cheapes out on raises, only half of the usual 23 cent per hr raise, blaming the recession despite the fact that they were actually profitting and growing.

    So yea atleast the place is American but they treat their employees like high school students and or retards. Next time u call customer service for Quaker, Hershey, arm and hammer, purdue, or Tropicana u'll know why the workers might sound cranky or disgruntled lol
    Yeah that's what's fucked. In a recession outsource companies (especially ones that handle collections) MAKE money. Remember debts can just get written off by a company. Third party collections buy these debts and often work with the company to ensure these are paid.

    I used to work inbound collections for Teleperformance on the Tmobile campaign. I was taking those, "why is my phone cut off?" calls and did very well at collecting. I worked my way up to quality control officer and then they laid me off blaming the recession. WTF there were days there that I would see 300+ calls in the que (customers waiting to speak to an advisor) waiting to be handled and they are telling me it's a recession? The real concept is the company wanted to move their quality control department to another office in another country. That pisses me off as it is not fair to the consumer. So basically a collector can be violating the law (US collection laws) and quality control in (for example) India is not knowledgeable on how to provide a score (basically hold the collector accountable) for the collector and/or flag possible red lights.

    Another agent there was telling me that after they booted quality control that the call centre quality overall was going down. There were collectors getting too aggressive with customers, people swearing, threatening etc. Granted this was all first stage inbound collections but still it was getting pretty dirty and sometimes people would not get quality scores for weeks. I laughed when I read in the local paper that Tmobile decided not to renew their contract with Teleperformance in the town I was in. That place went to the shitter after they got rid of the quality department.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kthnx View Post
    Sooooo I hear the govt lost alotta money "investing" in bailing out GM (which should stand for Giant Mess). Big surprise there?? Just curious, how many other people resent the bailouts and our tax money being wasted on that kind of Corp welfare crap?

    And yes I know the bailouts started with GW, a republican, but IMHO even GW was Too liberal with money. Ditto for McCain. IMHO calling most republican politicians a "true fiscal conservative" is akin to calling the band good Charlotte "authentic hardcore punk rock".

    I'm tired of all the bailout bullshit reveals over the last nearly 3yrs. Mebbe big business needs to learn to fend for itself like the capitalism they "claim" to support would say to do. These businesses want the best of everything, freedom like in capitalism but the protection of a "mommying" govt to bail them outta every time they get in trouble. Figuratively speaking these big businesses are no better than that 30 yr old ssi mooching big baby I wrote about on here last week (see my thread "big baby scumbag").
    The liberal class is finished and they know it. Why the attack on liberals? The American media is too chicken shit to have brought up how military contracts with GM might have played a part in the bailouts. And how were we supposed to know that all this outsourcing would take place? It was a big huslte and there's not anything we can do about it.
    Americans are going to miss the liberal class after they educate themselves enough to discover what a liberal is. What kind of liberals are you referring to? Social liberals? Fiscal liberals?
    Conservative SC goers are going to have to come up with some BS to explain why the money isn't flowing like it used to.
    "I can't afford my strippers anymore!! It was those damn marxist/communist/socialist English professors and their bailout conspiracy!!!!"
    hahahahaha
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    Yes I'm referring to fiscal liberals.

    And no, a true fiscal conservative would not engage in bailout crap. Bush, McCain, and all the other republicans that rationaliZed the "need" for bailouts are about as "hardcore" conservative as avail Laveen is "hardcore" punk rock.

    Telling me I'll "miss" liberals is like telling me I'll miss Mosquitos buzzing in my ear.

    Word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kthnx View Post
    Yes I'm referring to fiscal liberals.

    And no, a true fiscal conservative would not engage in bailout crap. Bush, McCain, and all the other republicans that rationaliZed the "need" for bailouts are about as "hardcore" conservative as avail Laveen is "hardcore" punk rock.

    Telling me I'll "miss" liberals is like telling me I'll miss Mosquitos buzzing in my ear.

    Word.
    There's one thing I really like about conservatives; you don't have to vote for them, campaign for them or even give them money. You just let them win.
    At least they're making sure these people in foreign countries have health care after we bomb the crap out of them.
    Why are you complaining about W and McCain to me? If you want your country back I don't know who stole it or where they put it. Don't ask me. Hell, I don't even vote.

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    The words liberal and conservative aren't always what the media tells you. For instance I consider myself a fiscal conservative. I basically hate taxpayer waste. I hate these wars and I hate the idea that tax dollars are going to other countries, often for corporations to make money in other countries while they send jobs overseas. However, socially I am a liberal to moderate. I believe in abortion and gay rights and believe in helping the people who need help. By saying that I am not saying I am for welfare being a way of life. In fact I think welfare should be a safety net but not used because someone is too lazy to work. I am opposed to people having babies out of wedlock but that's mostly financial (most of these parents I knew were on welfare).

    Btw, both parties killed this country. Outsourcing started with Reagan but Clinton signed NAFTA which made it worse. Dubya Bush made it even worse. To his credit Obama tried to pass through an anti outsourcing bill but Republicans and a few Democrats killed it.

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    If the auto industry went under then there would have been higher costs. Many part suppliers and their suppliers would also go out of business. This would have resulted is massive joblessness and a worse recession than we have now. The amount of the bailouts is a drop in the bucket compared to all the tax welfare being given to rich people that we were told would rescue the economy and the needless wars that were started under false pretenses. These wars are costing trillions not billions like the auto bailouts. Gosh if people would actually work on getting people jobs then they could pay taxes and reduce the deficit.
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    The problem is many of these companies (not auto companies) are increasing jobs, but in other countries. There is the crux of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    The words liberal and conservative aren't always what the media tells you. For instance I consider myself a fiscal conservative. I basically hate taxpayer waste. I hate these wars and I hate the idea that tax dollars are going to other countries, often for corporations to make money in other countries while they send jobs overseas. However, socially I am a liberal to moderate. I believe in abortion and gay rights and believe in helping the people who need help. By saying that I am not saying I am for welfare being a way of life. In fact I think welfare should be a safety net but not used because someone is too lazy to work. I am opposed to people having babies out of wedlock but that's mostly financial (most of these parents I knew were on welfare).

    Btw, both parties killed this country. Outsourcing started with Reagan but Clinton signed NAFTA which made it worse. Dubya Bush made it even worse. To his credit Obama tried to pass through an anti outsourcing bill but Republicans and a few Democrats killed it.
    Exactly. How can you not blame both parties? Wars cost money. They also break people down psychologically. There might have to be a total collapse of the system. We have to wait and see. All you have to do to rip people off in this country is to make the system more complex than it needs to be. We're sitting ducks.
    I don't sweat it. I'm OK with either Obama or Romney in 2012.

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    No. Ron Paul is where its at. he shoulda been elected in 08. but ofcourse his efforts got trampled by "poser punk" so-called conservative mccain's campaine doing mean stunts like shutting off the mic every time a ron paul rep went up to speak at the 08 republican convention. they did some nasty things to ron paul becuz they saw him as a thret so they wanted to try and shoot him down.

    ron paul hates the war, believes in social liberal policys like gay rights, and is VERY fiscally conservative. he hates bailouts, hates welfare, etc. ron paul was one of the few people super angry, like literaly pounding his fists on the podeum angry, during Round 1 of the bailouts (at the tail end of 08 when bush was still in office).

    ron paul 2012. fuck these bailouts.

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    I had Ron Paul supporters come to the door and I told them he's the only Republican I would consider and I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I had Ron Paul supporters come to the door and I told them he's the only Republican I would consider and I would.
    Paul has no chance. Either one. Neither does Kucinch, Feingold, Nadar, etc.....
    It's a centrists game.

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