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    Reminder Best of Slab, part 1

    Enjoy my "best of" which I hope is a worthy sample of my time here (but I already think it is more than anyone will read thru because it's over twice the limit for number of characters you can post).

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    It's one thing to block someone from being in your chat/video session, or even seeing your profile while offline, but many times harder to keep that same person from seeing your thumbnail from the full gallery view of online/offline models. Instead of 20,000+ guys looking thru the same "live" gallery, the site would have to create 20,000+ custom made (filtered) galleries. And even then, if someone grabs your pics, or does some screen capture (pic or video) of you and uploads it to a "tube" site or blog, ANYONE from ANYWHERE can see you.

    What level of blocking can you live with?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    Well that is my point... you have been talking about percentages, but not the actual value. 80% of $3/min is the same level of earnings (for the model) as 65% of $3.70/min, so just talking about 80% of ANYTHING doesn't answer the more important question: How much per minute does the average model want to earn? Yes, saying you want/deserve a large percentage is all well and good, but if your really going to build a site, everyone needs to find the right balance (whats best for models, members, and the site).

    Not a fan of the sliding price scale, but I know it works in the sites favor when most members "buy small." The actual value of a token (what the site and models base earnings on) is never less than what a member pays when buying, say, $200 worth (4,000 tokens @ 5 cents each), but for guys that only buy $35 worth (625 tokens @ 5.6 cents each), the site picks-up an extra $3.75 (625 x .6 cents). You can also look at it as a diminishing cover charge, from 10-15%, down to nothing, or almost nothing, for top members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    "Stealing" is not about a group of fans following a model from one place to another (that kind of thing even happened when "fans" followed amature women from myspace to facebook), but a model taking the "better members" from a site and getting private cam sessions from them on the side.

    As for what is or is not allowed in free chat, MFC has a completely different business model than any of the other "top" cam sites, and it is built around the "free flow" of tokens thw whole time the model is logged on, vs earning most of their money from a models private sessions, and a little more from "fan clubs" or recorded sessions.

    MFC has offline tipping, and could add "re-runs" of past sessions (that are replaced each time a model does new ones) which would work for the popular models, but the per minute cost of a private is always going to be higher than normal because it's just an extra feature. Other sites like SM or now Cams (with their odd new "which site am I on" thing) can't afford to cut into the private session money with unless they change the core of their business model, which changes the site... and as we all know, even a minor change in how a site looks or operates can upset the entire user base.

    LJ can claim to have such high traffic/hits because it frooded the "underworld" with links to its site, and SM has been trying to do the same thing in recent months (so funny to close an LJ driven ad only to have one for SM pop-up), but it's the wrong audience. A winning site is driven by content, not "hey, more people view our site than any other in the world." They leave-out the part where those hits are just that, hits. People are only on the site long enough to close the link.

    ... and that brings up an issue I have with MFC (about to go off-topic). I know the site is slow to load because of a flash client (we have all seen an example of promo/splash page where we have to wait for flash to load everything), and they seem to use a 2 page "bounce" which makes it look like people are staying longer and actually navigating, but for all of the free nude (and even hardcore) action that awaits after loading, why not hide the long load time as a disclaimer/warning page and fix two problems at once?


    I think it has been covered enough, but my 2 cents on the tube site thing: It really doesn't cost the cam sites THAT much to get their ads/links posted because they are passing along free content in the form of pre-recorded sessions (without paying the models for the replay value), and in some cases, it's cheaper for them to host their own TGP/MGP sites.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    It seems like many guys surf around the different cam sites looking for the same model, trying to find the lowest pre minute rate. I don't see it as often, but the "what other sites do you work" question used to come up a lot. It makes sense that you would keep your rates the same across the different site you work, when that is an option.

    MFC does charge a lot for private, but guys still pay (and pay about as much on a few "smaller" cam sites), so giving them a more personal show, with more direct access to you (thru off-site IM), you shouldn't have to cut the price by much to compete ($3/min should be your lowest price though).

    Your also right to point out that MFC isn't designed around models going private, but instead on getting tips, so they may be over-pricing the private shows to discourage guys from doing them (but getting a huge bonus in profit when they do).

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    There is a $50 minimum on chargebacks for all credit cards, so for them to pull $13 the guy had to have spent more money on other models as well (from his single actual charge for credit). THAT should make fighting it easy, but I doubt ImLive even tries to match the charge and usage to the guy reporting it as an "unauthorized" charge... to his card, that wasn't stolen, and used from his home, probably 3 days ago (before it was even on his statement).

    I think cam sites should tell members that it's policy to return any funds via CHECK only. I'm sure lots of guys HAVE to call and do a chargeback when the wife finds out (or SHE calls and really is like WTF is this?).

    Can't un-eat a meal ;p

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    If a guy hasn't used any credits on you, even as a small tip, then any "grand" offer to spend big or send you gifts is just BS... just a ploy to keep you talking until you slip-up and give them more access to you (aka offline chat or email) where they will REALLY beg for more, lol. Would be nice if cam sites had a shared blacklist database, so extra creepy guys that get banned from one site are banned from them all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    Sounds like your talking about World Star Hip Hop (WSHH) which is now www.worldstarcandy.com/ far as dance/booty vids stuff. ALSO sounds like your trying to be, um, whats the word I'm looking for that models here can relate too... a studio!

    Honestly, if you know of an opportunity for models that strip or cam, then just post it. If you read any number of threads here you'll know that agents or third party "helpers" are not exactly popular

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    Just found something writen by Sen Orrin Hatch (UT)... "Obscenity is not simply immoral or distasteful, it is increasingly harmful." Link for the full article here. Its the same "old" argument that porn leads to the stuff everyone agrees is bad, and instead of talking about EXACTLY what "obscene" material is, he and his type just go on talking about violence against women, sex trafficking, and child pornography. Yeah, WE GET IT! You have our attention, now get busy with meaningful details (but isn't that true of any politician).

    edit: Thought I would post this as well (www.lorenavedon.com/laws.htm), so from now on, webcam falls under "performing arts!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    Grrr, so pornography is protected under the First Amendment, but obscenity isn't. Sounds fair enough, BUT the line between the two is based on what is "offensive." What a load of legal BS... If your not offended by porn, it's not obscene, but if you ARE offended by it (even just a pair of naked breasts), then it becomes obscene!

    There is no "federal standard" so even if you live in an area that would like to burn you for wichcraft, er, I mean, stone you in the streets... no... ok, you come to church on Sunday and we no let you in, lol... the "violation" can only be enforced locally (which means they can't go after a site or comany, or other models). I'm not aware of any city that has forced the internet service providers to filter adult content, but most of us are aware of those little adult novelty/video places just outside city limits, so physical items are regulated.

    edit: "The Supreme Court has acknowledged that there exists no legitimate societal or governmental interest in prohibiting the simple possession of even obscene material by adults in the home. Since Internet transmissions usually occur from one private setting to another, the government will be hard-pressed to identify any compelling interest in regulating the content of such transmissions, among consenting adults." Found that from a slightly outdated post, but well worth the read (link here).

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    This is only when they go private? Sounds like they are looking to see just how long they can be there before being charged Someone could have posted a comment in a forum or something about it, and the site was getting a lot of "sample" traffic.

    Honestly, this whole "cam froze/had to restart" stuff is so out of date. I'm sure your frame rate was just fine for the 20 or so minutes they were warming-up before going private, and a few seconds of nip was all they needed ;p

    There was a time when sites charged for the whole first minute regardless, but it's only a matter of time before one of the cam sites has an ad/banner with half-naked cam models and the slogan "your first wank is on us."

    I'm sure others will post there bounce rate stuff, I'm also curious as to the top 5 excuses guys use (if they bother to say anything at all).

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    It's one thing to promote yourself on Twitter or wherever, and interact A BIT with fans, but guys want access, lots of it, everywhere you are, and no model should be giving that away. Holding their hand and playing along with "being close with them" takes a lot more effort than rubbing your boobs on cam for 3 minutes, but when guys are spending on a regular basis, it's nice to factor-in some kind of "gift with purchase" lol.

    Having an IM account where you can spend 30 minutes or so a few times a week chatting with guys off site (and NOT just to bring up when you will be on next) is a good idea, but if you give out a number for the really big spenders, use Google Voice so you can better manage your phone time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slab4508 View Post
    I've heard that a video stream can get a little flaky after a while if there is no audio with it, but it sounds like your describing an issue once a private is started. If everything is fine before the private then I doubt it's an encoding issue. MIGHT be an issue with Streamate and the server your feed is going thru being a bit overloaded, and having issues streaming AND recording at the same time.

    Also, a frozen image is not the same as dropped frames unless you have your bit rate set really low (for normal quality anything under 250kbps) OR if you have your keyframe set really really high (normal vid would be around 80).

    Again, hard to believe guys would see you just fine in free chat but have issues once private was started... I'd recommend going to your live chat as a guest and seeing if the video starts soon after you get there or seems to drag on a bit before connecting.

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