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    Duh No nudity please, we're British.

    Hi everyone,

    We're looking for some advice, if you will indulge us for a while...

    We come from an internet marketing background, which means we know how to get our stuff under lots of eyes, pretty damn quick. Right now, we're branching out into the adult world, and it's been a fun ride

    What we DON'T know anything about... is paying professional models & dancers for the content we need..

    After speaking to a couple of the moderators and senior members here via PM, and after getting some awesome advice, we are about ready to take the plunge, and start hiring...

    So, here's some questions for you

    We are looking for self shot (amateur) videos and photos from models, in their own home/surroundings... these are non-nude pics & videos (underwear, bra, thong etc.)

    • What kind of rates would you charge for self shot work, per hour? Per day? Minimum rate?
    • What proof of age do you normally provide to a company who hires you?
    • What payment methods do you prefer?
    • We were told we would need a model release signing so we can use the videos & images - would this affect whether you showed your face in the video/image?
    • Are there any sites out there you have already worked for, who provide self shot "amateur" content in bulk?

    This is not an advertisement or baiting we want to get all our ducks in a row before we even think about setting up an ad on the forum. We want to be around here for a while!

    Thanks in advance to any help or advice!

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    Default Re: No nudity please, we're British.

    Ishotmyself.com

    Maybe you can learn from them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TouringGirlfriend View Post
    Ishotmyself.com

    Maybe you can learn from them?
    Hottest adult site EVER.

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    Default Re: No nudity please, we're British.

    Oi, i object to the title :p

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    @TouringGirlfriend
    Thanks a million. We'll look into this today... after many Googles, we never even came across this site.

    @MissKatie
    Well, we're a minority here on the forums, so I had to get us noticed somehow Everyone knows us Brits love copious amounts of bare flesh anyway...

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    Just checked out ISM, unfortunately we can't purchase rights to photos there, or advertise in their forums. VERY high quality site though... a lot to be learnt there
    Last edited by Stenturion; 06-08-2011 at 03:58 AM.

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    Default Re: No nudity please, we're British.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stenturion View Post

    • What kind of rates would you charge for self shot work, per hour? Per day? Minimum rate?


    • What proof of age do you normally provide to a company who hires you?
    • What payment methods do you prefer?
    • We were told we would need a model release signing so we can use the videos & images - would this affect whether you showed your face in the video/image?
    • Are there any sites out there you have already worked for, who provide self shot "amateur" content in bulk?
    It sounds to me like instead of asking models, you need to be asking people like lawyers! WTF are you thinking asking half of these questions here?! If models had their way they'd give you bs like school IDs with their class graduation year as proof of age. You don't ask models this stuff... you ask a lawyer! :sigh: Come on people... get on the ball. You don't ask hire an accountant & then ask him how to check his references. Nor do you hire a doctor & say "What questions should I ask you?" - they aren't likely to disclose what you really need to know if it means they lose the opportunity to make money from you!

    The following questions need to be addressed to a lawyer, which I've reformatted to get answers which may help you better:


    • What proof of age does the company need from the model for adult content?
    • When is a model release required?
    • What should the model release state or include?
    • How do we legally maintain model releases & IDs?


    As far as the modeling rates, no one charges by the hour, because what would happen is that you end up paying a model for her self-shot photographs & they could all turn out horrible. The only people who pay models by the hour are clients who are paying a professional photographer for a specific project. Otherwise websites like this are PAID BY THE SET. You need to research your competition & figure out what the going rate is. A set is basically a certain number of pictures within a particular theme or photoshoot, i.e. "Blue Dress Set", "Pool Side Set" etc. As the business owner you decide how many photos are in a "set". Back in the day when I first started modeling for a website this was as few as 6-12 photos. With the advent of digital photography though & "everyone's a photographer" this could be as many as 500 photos, often which get referred to as "micro-stock" with licensing for multiple or exclusive content use on websites.

    Here are some good places for you to start in order to understand this:

    http://www.xbiz.com/directory/id=23&pid=3&offset=30

    http://www.ynot.com/content/section/...y.html?cat=112

    http://www.adultcontentxxxchange.com/

    If you get onto the XBiz & YNot forums you will be able to talk to many more webmasters who can give you better information on how to provide payment to models as well.

    I'd also suggest you contact "Kayleigh" aka "Kassandra Leigh" for advice on the self shot images. She was one of the first models on the internet to really become well known for this & turned into quiet the expert years before she ever turned 18... at which point she already had a large following just waiting for her to drop the clothes - which of course she did. Kassandra also has a practical double (the only real noticeable difference is their eye color) named Revel who also might be able to provide some info. I don't have her MM account, but here's a link to get you started: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?th...d=220194&page=

    Many of the models on sites like SG, Deviant Nation, Blue Blood, God Girls, etc all did self portraits simply to collect the full set fee cost without having to split an portion with a photographer. You might also get better response on technique about this from ModelMayhem.com.

    Just be aware that the more you reach into this idea of micro-stock with self-shot portraits by models who may not know how to edit, or don't want to edit 50+ photos, the more likely it is the quality of the photos will go down. You do 100% give up quality for quantity on these sort of deals.
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    Hey Kylea2

    I should have been a little more explanatory

    We have had some legal advice (lots of it in fact), but what we want to do is gauge exactly what the model wants to see in an ad... for example, we were told about model releases, and we will require those, but we don't know if that will affect what the model wants to show (i.e. face etc.)

    As far as pay rates, we want to be advertising here at SW, so ideally we want to know what the members here have charged or been paid in the past. Rates on modelling sites are much different to rates on forums. An example of this is when we were charging for web design a few years back. On an Internet Marketing forum, we could charge $75 for a site. On a Wholesale & Retail business forum, we charged $300. What we're trying to do is gauge the level here at SW. I hope that makes sense, anyway

    We asked what proof of ID, because we want to know what the models use the most. Legal advice has been full face closeup with photo ID... but there's other accepted forms of course.

    My wife is a model over at Purestorm, so we've had a few heads ups as we've gone along with photographers' advice too.

    I hope this clarifies a few points where I wasn't clear (and noobed myself totally )

    Thanks so much for all the links (especially Kayleigh info) and great advice.. they are duly noted. Also, the pay per set info is very valuable, thanks!

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