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    They want YOU to keep shelling out tens of thousands for their wisdom. You might get a career or you might not but this is what they're getting at one notable school guaranteed (because of tenure)! Are faculty, including professors, making six figures or more likely to tell students that the field they're preparing for won't pay enough to keep up with tuition loan costs? Or that the hire rate for their grads is lower than advertised? Or are they more likely to act as if college is an automatic job and leg up? BTW, The first number is the median, the second the mean, the third the standard deviance.

    http://oira.unc.edu/faculty-salaries...hool-fall.html

    College of Arts & Sciences
    Fine Arts and Humanities
    9 Mo. Professor $115,000 $120,076 $27,926
    Associate $79,000 $81,280 $9,775
    Assistant $65,725 $66,678 $4,941
    Natural Sciences & Math
    9 Mo. Professor $124,000 $133,072 $33,492
    Associate $91,286 $91,831 $12,730
    Assistant $75,000 $75,179 $7,170
    Social & Behavioral Sciences
    9 Mo. Professor $131,010 $141,610 $42,459
    Associate $84,750 $88,405 $16,247
    Assistant $74,865 $80,526 $19,161
    9 Mo. Professor $121,599 $130,855 $35,160
    Associate $83,849 $86,844 $13,928
    Assistant $70,600 $73,564 $12,890
    Kenan Flagler Business School
    9 Mo. Professor $242,480 $242,493 $70,580
    Associate $169,493 $163,245 $32,211
    Assistant $146,260 $156,894 $20,770
    School of Education
    9 Mo. Professor $119,101 $118,313 $18,203
    Associate $82,899 $85,323 $8,323
    Assistant $60,933 $63,397 $6,037
    School of Government
    9 Mo. Professor $170,960 $165,889 $27,567
    Associate $114,680 $116,667 $11,780
    Assistant $98,400 $99,449 $9,642
    School of Information & Library Science
    9 Mo. Professor $96,003 $108,982 $27,335
    Associate $82,195 $84,952 $8,091
    School of Journalism & Mass Communication
    9 Mo. Professor $125,813 $121,335 $23,944
    Associate $80,943 $82,400 $4,883
    Assistant $70,010 $71,236 $4,848
    School of Law
    9 Mo. Professor $179,928 $175,385 $27,812
    Associate $131,750 $128,625 $10,226
    Assistant $110,500 $111,157 $820
    School of Social Work
    9 Mo. Professor $140,175 $139,648 $19,864
    Associate $85,254 $88,544 $7,677
    Assistant $69,500 $71,013 $3,153
    HEALTH AFFAIRS School Rank Median Mean Std. Dev. N
    School of Dentistry
    12 Mo. Professor $185,000 $196,559 $83,555
    Associate $140,935 $148,992 $31,336
    Assistant $116,107 $120,328 $24,032
    School of Medicine
    Allied Health Sciences
    12 Mo. Professor $102,103 $113,732 $30,119
    Associate $84,828 $84,930 $2,852
    Assistant $80,693 $79,918 $3,695
    Basic Sciences
    12 Mo. Professor $174,001 $171,610 $56,132
    Associate $128,416 $130,349 $24,654
    Assistant $100,000 $101,370 $16,802
    Clinical Medicine
    12 Mo. Professor $226,030 $251,552 $105,637
    Associate $191,000 $200,059 $80,310
    Assistant $173,300 $179,577 $53,334
    12 Mo. Professor $202,887 $224,621 $101,814
    Associate $159,746 $176,420 $77,016
    Assistant $150,000 $157,430 $58,933
    School of Nursing
    9 Mo. Professor $105,783 $111,308 $16,523
    Associate $83,378 $85,521 $7,204
    Assistant $69,658 $70,606 $1,981
    School of Pharmacy
    12 Mo. Professor $195,900 $187,875 $46,288
    Associate $115,098 $120,597 $20,601
    Assistant $96,471 $99,087 $8,796
    School of Public Health
    12 Mo. Professor $183,465 $196,440 $55,629
    Associate $121,228 $120,248 $17,109
    Assistant $96,408 $100,090 $14,823
    9 Mo. Professor $145,000 $140,944 $37,841
    Associate $88,000 $88,667 $5,033
    Assistant $79,000 $80,125 $5,083
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    That's the problem with the educational system right now...
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    The numbers don't add up. I know of two people who became tenured professors in the early-mid 70's in the field of classical music performance and they topped out at less than 60K when they retired 25 years later.
    I doubt pay has doubled in the last ten years.

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    Professors aren't exactly making all that much considering what they have to do. It doesn't stop at teaching because they're basically required to publish work all the time in order to make the school look better, which can be incredibly difficult. Have any of you written a book? I was freaking out nonstop about my 40 page thesis because it's not just about page count, it's about quality. Because of this, many of them actually work overtime throughout the school year, and they have to continue working during months off on their publications/conferences/etc. In addition to writing lesson plans, they have to grade very large amounts of student work (excepting multiple choice professors, who I honestly can't blame when there's 300 students in one class). Humanities professors have it especially bad because they have to grade at least 25 pages per student per class on short deadlines. In one writing intensive class I took, I had to write 75 pages throughout the semester. So fuck yeah, I'd better be making more than 100k. 100k isn't even that much money after taxes and everything either -- my boyfriend makes around that and it's not like he's rolling in cash. He has enough to be comfortable, but not live completely lavishly. He doesn't even have student debt, just a mortgage. If you think about it, unless these people are loaded to begin with, most have had about a decade of diminished wages while working on their degrees, not to mention their level of student debt. I feel bad for the professors who are making 60k. Shitty deal.

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    You're seeing the average. The pay goes way above that for experienced profs. My larger point is that the people at the top of this pyramid have little vested interest in telling potential students the real stats on how many of their students find work in their field upon graduation or how competitive their school really is. The reputation is that unis are non-profit, altruistic organizations. They don't care about money only preparing young minds for the future. These people aren't making enough to get by like so many in non-profit organizations, they're thriving on six figure and at the top, million dollar salaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lol1337a View Post
    Professors aren't exactly making all that much considering what they have to do. It doesn't stop at teaching because they're basically required to publish work all the time in order to make the school look better, which can be incredibly difficult. Have any of you written a book? I was freaking out nonstop about my 40 page thesis because it's not just about page count, it's about quality. Because of this, many of them actually work overtime throughout the school year, and they have to continue working during months off on their publications/conferences/etc. In addition to writing lesson plans, they have to grade very large amounts of student work (excepting multiple choice professors, who I honestly can't blame when there's 300 students in one class). Humanities professors have it especially bad because they have to grade at least 25 pages per student per class on short deadlines. In one writing intensive class I took, I had to write 75 pages throughout the semester. So fuck yeah, I'd better be making more than 100k. 100k isn't even that much money after taxes and everything either -- my boyfriend makes around that and it's not like he's rolling in cash. He has enough to be comfortable, but not live completely lavishly. He doesn't even have student debt, just a mortgage. If you think about it, unless these people are loaded to begin with, most have had about a decade of diminished wages while working on their degrees, not to mention their level of student debt. I feel bad for the professors who are making 60k. Shitty deal.
    In music it's more like 2 decades of diminished wages. The lack of respect for teachers in the humanities is the reason the liberal class has simply given up. Taxpayers believe they are being ripped off by those "artsy" folks in music, writing, etc.....
    I say privitize EVERYTHING and let the chips fall where they may.
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    I dunno. I guess I just see professors as some of the most highly skilled workers in the world.

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    After going to school forever, pretty much the only jobs left to these extremely educated people is a professorship. Some who work in technology or biomed sectors can make a lot more than those working in fields like Social Work or Art History. Professors make good money, but they don't get rich unless they invent something really valuable.


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    There is nothing wrong with those levels of compensation, and besides, professor pay is market driven like anything else. If a school doesn't want to pay those salaries, they don't have to. They can set their pay levels and see what talent they get. The best professors will go to the schools that pay the best (and that provide the best opportunities to conduct their research...again, tied to money).

    The current lack of funding for higher education is troubling. Professors are being let go and replaced with adjunct faculty at an alarming rate. Adjuncts are much less expensive, but they also tend to be the least hirable as a whole.

    No, those salaries are not anywhere CLOSE to out of line for what is being received in return.

    There are problems with higher ed, but professor compensation is not one of them. If anything, more money for more hiring should be the goal.

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    I suspect very few are actually reading my comments beyond the first sentence. I'm saying they are paid so well that they can't relate to their students and have little reason to act in the best interest. People think of higher ed as folks working at a non-profit organization who are only interested in the future of their students but the salaries they receive are quite good, so good that pure altruism is not why they are there. Same goes for administrators. The point of the thread is to say on average profs are making six figures or more. In most places in this country that's considered a good top 20% level salary. I'm not arguing whether they deserve it. I argue whether have an interest in educating their students in whether the tuition (much of it borrowed) is worth it given the down side of some fields: low salaries, shrinking number of jobs, etc. We should view the faculty in a realistic light. The profs at the school of Social Work at this school make $140,000 range and their students will average $18,000 and have to cover tuition that can be $20-40,000 a year. Can they relate to their students financial reality? If they care enough to warn them would it undermine their cushy 6 figures? Something to consider.

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    i want professors and all educators to be compensated well.
    but most professors are not in the business of teaching, but researching. and i want well-compensated scholars.
    i think too many people are going to college thinking their professors give a shit about them. in which case, it's students who think that they matter at all to the school they attend that is the real problem.

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    ^So you're saying that because an average Uni prof makes more than 100,000k/year, it means they're disconnected from the financial reality their students are paying? Or that they are aware, but unsympathetic?

    I don't feel either case is true. I have never had a professor who hasn't been honest about the future pay of their students. I very much doubt that any professor would flat out lie about how much you can make in a given career just to keep their salaries in tact. In fact, I've noticed most prof's give a very realistic range of what someone with a particular Major can make, and it's the students who only hear the upper end of that range and choose only to run with that number.

    Also, most Prof's I've met live way, WAY below their means. They're often the type to be wearing clothing from the 80's (because why buy another pair of jeans when these still so the job?), and driving some 10-year-old hatchback rather than a Ferrari. They often don't flaunt the money they have because money is often secondary in their lives - teaching their students, research, and hopefully their families rank much higher on their list of priorities than bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    These are only my personal observations, but I really think that money cannot be enough of a motivator for some things. Being a Prof is a difficult career - you have to have a true passion for your subject and for furthering education/research in that field. Their primary motivation for being a professor isn't money, it's teaching new, young minds the material and subjects that the prof has spent his whole life working on. Suggesting that they're losing touch with their students on any level (financial, personal, intellectually etc) due to their high salaries is ludicrous.

    Yes, I do think they deserve the pay they get, and yes, I do think they are being realistic with their students in the majority of cases. I also think if it meant furthering the education of thousands of future students they would take a pay cut; but I don't think they should have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    If anyone deserves these kinds of wages, professors do. All of my professors have gone through a minimum of 10 years of schooling, but most complete more. They have spent more time in school than doctors and lawyers combined. They are not only required to prepare lesson plans, lecture, grade papers, and meet with every student individually (assuming the students wish to), but they are also required to travel to attend conferences, do research for their department, and regularly contribute to their academic field of research through articles and papers published. Not only is it a lot of work, but since it is so hard and to become a professor, only the best make it. And since all of those years of schooling is costly, most of them enter their starting job with a low salary but six figures of debt.

    Most people become professors because they deeply care about the continuation of education. I have had so many professors who have worked 60-80 hours a week, answered my emails at all hours of the day, met with me for hours after class, and gone completely out of the way to help me.

    ...please name a professor who is making a million dollars a year solely teaching. That's completely ridiculous. Even Wall Street bankers don't have that kind of salary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    People think of higher ed as folks working at a non-profit organization who are only interested in the future of their students but the salaries they receive are quite good, so good that pure altruism is not why they are there.
    Of course it's not pure altruism, but teaching is not (in most cases) greed driven either if that's what you're implying. It would be insane to endure 10+ years of studying, the many sleepless nights writing papers, pulling hair out with a PhD thesis and the massive debt of all that solely on the hope of becoming a tenured professor in say, the humanities. Universities spend a great deal of money and resources recruiting professors because they need them, period. Also consider that research professors brought in from the field need to be paid a comparable salary. Say a university needed a professor for an electrical engineering course and research project. That's not going to come cheap!

    On the other end of the spectrum you have idiot teaching assistants like me. I got dragged into teaching the lab part of IT course at a community college and could hardly believe how much time it ended up consuming. On paper $2,000 for 2 hours a week for 12 weeks sounded pretty good but it's far, far more time than that for course preparation and such.

    Having said all that I suspect that there are some grossly overpaid professors, especially with all the online university crap. I don't want to offend anyone who has taken online classes but it's one the biggest rackets of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krill_ View Post
    Of course it's not pure altruism, but teaching is not (in most cases) greed driven either if that's what you're implying. It would be insane to endure 10+ years of studying, the many sleepless nights writing papers, pulling hair out with a PhD thesis and the massive debt of all that solely on the hope of becoming a tenured professor in say, the humanities. Universities spend a great deal of money and resources recruiting professors because they need them, period. Also consider that research professors brought in from the field need to be paid a comparable salary. Say a university needed a professor for an electrical engineering course and research project. That's not going to come cheap!

    On the other end of the spectrum you have idiot teaching assistants like me. I got dragged into teaching the lab part of IT course at a community college and could hardly believe how much time it ended up consuming. On paper $2,000 for 2 hours a week for 12 weeks sounded pretty good but it's far, far more time than that for course preparation and such.

    Having said all that I suspect that there are some grossly overpaid professors, especially with all the online university crap. I don't want to offend anyone who has taken online classes but it's one the biggest rackets of all time.
    No teacher with any real credibilty would teach online courses. Never took one-never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    The pay goes way above that for experienced profs. My larger point is that the people at the top of this pyramid have little vested interest in telling potential students the real stats on how many of their students find work in their field upon graduation or how competitive their school really is.
    THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

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    THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

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    75% will never get hired.

    25% will get jobs.

    5% will make better than $12.00 an hour. It will take 10 years or more and a place in a Guild to start earning a comfortable income.

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    The salaries aren't as high as you may think. When I was in graduate school I wrote for the paper and there was a threatened strike going on at that time. The editor got a listing of the professor salaries and they were very low, with starting full time salaries in the low $30,000's, which you could easily make right out of college. The more in demand fields and the professors at the top of the tenure scale make more, but still not as much as you'd think. A few years ago I checked into going for my Ph.D to teach and realized that the $100,000 in debt I would go wasn't worth it. Not just that, but many schools are going to adjunct and foreign professors.

    Want to talk overpaid? Administrators are overpaid. Many of them got their jobs through connections and not always their education. The reason many schools are expensive are because of them.

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    Colleges and Universities are businesses that SELL an education.

    Making that education you bought pay for itself is your problem.

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    ...please name a professor who is making a million dollars a year solely teaching. That's completely ridiculous. Even Wall Street bankers don't have that kind of salary.
    What the hell are you on about? Off the top of my head......COACHES MAKE MILLIONS. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...es-cover_x.htm Presidents too! 3/5 of them make over $400,000 yrly http://chronicle.com/article/Compensation-of-30/125371/
    BTW these folks aren't doing too shabbily either:
    Chief academic officer $158,000
    Academic deans:
    Business 150,000
    Arts and sciences 134,632
    Graduate programs 130,000
    Education 128,550
    Nursing 125,400
    Health-related professions 120,980
    Continuing education 109,925
    Occupational studies/vocational education 92,622
    Other administrators:
    Chief development officer 141,712
    Dean of students 88,280
    Director, student financial aid 74,261
    Registrar 71,764

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    ^I think I can see why someone would get all hot under the hood about this topic. It seems 'unfair' that professors are taking home 6 figures while their students are taking out thousands in loans for college degrees that won't make even half of their profs earns teaching the damn material.

    But you have to realize that a professor works a hard job, and is there for the sake of learning and furthering man-kinds knowledge of specific subjects. They're also usually professional students as well as professors themselves - they're always taking upgrading classes, etc as more information on a given topic comes out.

    People who get miffed about what Prof's make probably don't understand the depth or breadth of the job.

    As for Coaches - yes, they make a lot, but sports is a whole different kettle.

    And University Presidents make a pretty penny too, but that's also very different from being an educator. Presidents of a University are like Business owners; and their responsibilities are more towards that sort of thing; they're not the kind of person who sits in front of a lecture hall and gives lectures, or does research in their field, etc.



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    I suspect very few are actually reading my comments beyond the first sentence. I'm saying they are paid so well that they can't relate to their students and have little reason to act in the best interest. People think of higher ed as folks working at a non-profit organization who are only interested in the future of their students but the salaries they receive are quite good, so good that pure altruism is not why they are there. Same goes for administrators. The point of the thread is to say on average profs are making six figures or more. In most places in this country that's considered a good top 20% level salary. I'm not arguing whether they deserve it. I argue whether have an interest in educating their students in whether the tuition (much of it borrowed) is worth it given the down side of some fields: low salaries, shrinking number of jobs, etc. We should view the faculty in a realistic light. The profs at the school of Social Work at this school make $140,000 range and their students will average $18,000 and have to cover tuition that can be $20-40,000 a year. Can they relate to their students financial reality? If they care enough to warn them would it undermine their cushy 6 figures? Something to consider.

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    I see your point, but the fact is, it's not the professor's responsibility to tell you what the job market is and what your potential salary will be. Their responsibility is first and foremost an educator and an expert in their field. As a student interested in that field, it is YOUR responsibility to figure this out and then weigh the cost benefit ratio of your debt level vs. future income. In addition, I believe there are career counsellors, surveys and other statistical sources you can use to make an informed choice.

    As to the question of 'can they can relate to their student's financial reality?' I believe they can as alumni; they have all been down that road once and made a lot of sacrifices to get where they are today. Maybe your path in that career will be easier or harder and sometimes careers go through different demand cycles in industry. They just don't have a crystal ball.

    Just an FYI, most of these professors would be paid even larger salaries in industry if they chose so. The fact that they are professors demonstrates their commitment to higher learning/research and for most of them, money is secondary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4everresolutions View Post
    ^I think I can see why someone would get all hot under the hood about this topic. It seems 'unfair' that professors are taking home 6 figures while their students are taking out thousands in loans for college degrees that won't make even half of their profs earns teaching the damn material.

    But you have to realize that a professor works a hard job, and is there for the sake of learning and furthering man-kinds knowledge of specific subjects. They're also usually professional students as well as professors themselves - they're always taking upgrading classes, etc as more information on a given topic comes out.

    People who get miffed about what Prof's make probably don't understand the depth or breadth of the job.


    As for Coaches - yes, they make a lot, but sports is a whole different kettle.

    And University Presidents make a pretty penny too, but that's also very different from being an educator. Presidents of a University are like Business owners; and their responsibilities are more towards that sort of thing; they're not the kind of person who sits in front of a lecture hall and gives lectures, or does research in their field, etc.
    I'll start from here. That is not what the thread is about. The debate is are they looking out for students once they are making enough to be in a financial ivory tower making what the top 20% of workers make. The debate isn't whether they deserve the money they make.
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    ^I'm aware of that, and it's what my first post in this thread was all about.


    Quote Originally Posted by 4everresolutions View Post
    ^So you're saying that because an average Uni prof makes more than 100,000k/year, it means they're disconnected from the financial reality their students are paying? Or that they are aware, but unsympathetic?

    I don't feel either case is true. I have never had a professor who hasn't been honest about the future pay of their students. I very much doubt that any professor would flat out lie about how much you can make in a given career just to keep their salaries in tact. In fact, I've noticed most prof's give a very realistic range of what someone with a particular Major can make, and it's the students who only hear the upper end of that range and choose only to run with that number.

    Also, most Prof's I've met live way, WAY below their means. They're often the type to be wearing clothing from the 80's (because why buy another pair of jeans when these still so the job?), and driving some 10-year-old hatchback rather than a Ferrari. They often don't flaunt the money they have because money is often secondary in their lives - teaching their students, research, and hopefully their families rank much higher on their list of priorities than bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    These are only my personal observations, but I really think that money cannot be enough of a motivator for some things. Being a Prof is a difficult career - you have to have a true passion for your subject and for furthering education/research in that field. Their primary motivation for being a professor isn't money, it's teaching new, young minds the material and subjects that the prof has spent his whole life working on. Suggesting that they're losing touch with their students on any level (financial, personal, intellectually etc) due to their high salaries is ludicrous.

    Yes, I do think they deserve the pay they get, and yes, I do think they are being realistic with their students in the majority of cases. I also think if it meant furthering the education of thousands of future students they would take a pay cut; but I don't think they should have to.
    However, a handful of posted in this thread commented on the topic of "Should Profs make XXX money", so I decided to add a second post - the one that you quoted (which was really intended more for ScarletteJanuary). It seemed relevant to the direction other posters were taking the discussion. My first post, which I quoted above, was about the content posted in your OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    I suspect very few are actually reading my comments beyond the first sentence. I'm saying they are paid so well that they can't relate to their students and have little reason to act in the best interest. People think of higher ed as folks working at a non-profit organization who are only interested in the future of their students but the salaries they receive are quite good, so good that pure altruism is not why they are there. Same goes for administrators. The point of the thread is to say on average profs are making six figures or more. In most places in this country that's considered a good top 20% level salary. I'm not arguing whether they deserve it. I argue whether have an interest in educating their students in whether the tuition (much of it borrowed) is worth it given the down side of some fields: low salaries, shrinking number of jobs, etc. We should view the faculty in a realistic light. The profs at the school of Social Work at this school make $140,000 range and their students will average $18,000 and have to cover tuition that can be $20-40,000 a year. Can they relate to their students financial reality? If they care enough to warn them would it undermine their cushy 6 figures? Something to consider.

    http://www.ihiresocialservices.com/t...na-salary.html

    I'm still not sure what you're getting at...are you saying that, because profs make decent money that they can't relate to their poor students and what they will face in the job market? I'm not sure how that relates or affects the students. The profs are paid to teach classes and publish research. That's what they do. I don't know what point you're trying to make.

    I will say this...I don't like that universities use tuition from undergrads to finance research for the school as a whole, while then turning around and sometimes giving a sub-standard effort at teaching those undergrads....using GTAs, packing a thousand students into an auditorium for a class, etc.

    But professor pay is not a bad thing.

    OK I've read a few more posts, and it appears that you're saying that profs make so much money that they have no vested interest in telling a student their potential earnings in the area in which they teach.

    This is not, and never has been, a professor's job. A professor's job is to teach, and conduct research. They are not job counselors. Anyone with half a brain will research the field in which they are expecting to try to find a job.

    That said, I sincerely doubt a professor would lie or be completely clueless about salaries in their fields.

    This whole thread is a strawman argument, IMO.

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