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    Default Adult Industry Priorities

    I was reading the thread on masturbation during private shows and ScarlettJanuary posted a really interesting break-down of her personal priorities during her time in the industry. Mine were similar but my choices were fairly different, so I'm wondering...

    What are your priorities when choosing an aspect of the adult industry to work in?

    Let's assume that potential income is equal unless you need a tie-breaker between two areas of the industry.





    I just realize this could easily turn into bashing areas of the industry. I was just wondering what your personal priorities were, not why you hate girls that work in xxx area.
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    Default Adult Industry Priorities

    My priorities are:
    1. Respect for co-workers and clients
    2. Sense of personal control
    3. Privacy
    4. Not a lot of time invested.

    My list would look like:
    - independent escort - completely private except with client, completely in control, minimal-moderate time commitment
    - agency escort - completely private except with other agency girls, completely in control, minimal time commitment
    - stripping no contact/one-way - public to everyone who walks in the club, completely in control, moderate time commitment
    - cam girl - fairly public, completely in control, high time investment
    - stripping 2 way contact - public to club, moderately in control, moderate time commitment
    - adult film - very public, completely in control, low time investment
    - stripping with extras - public to club, moderately in control, moderate time comittment, potentially disrespectful of other dancers
    - street escort - very public and I left safety out of my list, which should definitely have been there!



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    I don't care about legality as long as everything is respectful and my comfort level with being touched is very high. In Canada there's a very low chance of being persecuted anywhere you work in the industry.

    I only put 2-way stripping so low on my list because I don't know how to control someone's hands during a dance and "surprise touch" would freak me out. If I was more experienced this would probably be as high as other stripping choices.
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    Default Re: Adult Industry Priorities

    ^^^ my own priorities were financial ... i.e. videos continue to pay future 'dividends' without any additional work being required !!! Escorting, stripping, camming etc. all stop producing income the minute the girl stops actively working !

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    If I found a company that wanted to pay out % of sales that would skyrocket to the top of my list. Is that still possible?

    PS. Many of my escorting clients are still willing to finance future endeavours... but that's not quite the same.
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    Default Re: Adult Industry Priorities

    Priorities:
    1. Safety
    2. Schedule freedom/flexibility
    3. Privacy
    4. Ability to have a fairly normal social life

    My list:
    -Camgirl - safe - no personal contact with customers; ability to set my own schedule, work hard when need be but easy to take time off for other things in life; relatively easy to keep yourself on the DL; not many of my friends/dates will shun me
    -No contact/1-way contact Stripping - basically safe as long as you're not stupid with your personal info; can usually work a flexible schedule but some clubs are run by assholes; easy to keep yourself hidden if you go a distance away from home; none of my friends/dates shunned me for this
    -Two-way contact Stripping
    -Independent Escort - the issue of safety with strangers is really what puts me off of this - I just don't trust people and don't trust myself to know what to do if things went badly; could set my own schedule and keep myself private though; don't like the issue of my social life - I think most of my friends would get a little squeamish once the job crosses into illegal activity and you can definitely say goodbye to the possibility of a romantic life while you're working
    -Agency Escort
    -Adult Film Actress
    - The only reason this is below escort, since I would consider this safer, is because when it comes to films, my privacy takes priority. I really don't want my family to ever know about my adult work, and I would rather do a slightly riskier job and be completely anonymous and work my schedule around my life to hide my job than be under the thumb of a studio and put myself out there for the world (and my family) to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora_Sunset View Post
    Priorities:
    1. Safety
    2. Schedule freedom/flexibility
    3. Privacy
    4. Ability to have a fairly normal social life
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    Default Re: Adult Industry Priorities

    Priority's
    -Anonymity
    -Control over individual circumstances
    -Safety
    -Flexibility in schedule
    -Legality (but as Beck already mentioned its not a huge concern for sex workers who are careful in Canada)

    My list of preferences would be:
    Stripping, two-way contact -Anonymity, even though I have a license to dance in my area. I'm basically unrecognizable in the club. Gives me control over the specific situations I put myself in, flexibility with schedule, it's fairly safe and completely legal.
    Stripping, No contact/One way contact- for the same reasons as above, expect I find it harder to dance with no contact (I'm lazy and like to sit every once in a while), and there may be less money.
    FSBM - Independent - Again, Anonymity, probably more than with dancing as there's no licnseing required. I can control who I chose to see, and when. Not too worried with the legal issues.
    Escorting, Independent - Anonymity, fairly safe with screening. Completely in control over location and schedule. Would look bad if I was ever convicted of prostituion-eqsue crimes, which is why it's lower on my list, but that would be unlikely anyway.
    Escorting, with Agency - Same as above, but with less control of location and schedule. I'm also not sure if I would be allowed to review the screening info on the clients (and I'd like to).
    Camming - with a Mask or heavily disguised. I'm still 50/50 on this.

    I would never do adult films, adult photoshoots, and am really on the edge with camming. I can't handle the idea that my face it out there attached to my name in a porno or as a camgirl; it could hurt any other potential carrier I might have. Or hurt my family. Then again I really haven't figured out exactly what my dream goals are for the future, so these priorities might change as my vision of the future changes.



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    Default Re: Adult Industry Priorities

    1. High tease vs please
    2. Exclusivity i.e. personal control of situation/content
    3. Personal Privacy
    4. Health & Safety
    5. Legacy factor
    6. Financial
    7. Schedule flexibility


    1. High tease vs please; I would rather have people look back at my work within the adult industry & think it was done with modesty & class. I learned early on that there are often times we regret jumping "into the deep end" & later feeling like what was done could have been done better. I always want to be proud of my work.

    2. Exclusivity i.e. personal control of situation/content; I like striptease entertainment done in person because I have full control of the situation. Everything that is sold in this world seems to have prices based on quantity availability. This availability is often based more on your own content than that of your competitors. In other words, while a model like Dita Von Teese may have tons of competition, she's high up on the chain of pin-up & fetish models, so what really will drive her content prices has more to do with the availability of her own content. Her online videos & photos may spread like wildfire, often pirated without her receiving profit. However, tickets to her stage shows easily sell for $114 - $2K per person... imagine then what she could sell a lap dance for! Also keep in mind at one point she did work as a modern "stripper", but now that lap dancing isn't her normal repertoire & she has a name, she could probably charge even more for it. While there's always the chance a customer could have a camera or video recorder at a club, it's not very likely, & even if it happens the chance your name would be attached to it is even slimmer... which to me is a good thing.

    3. Personal Privacy; Again, less is more... the less 2257 info, business documents linking between professional name & legal name the better! We've been seeing this over & over again especially within the last year with PWL popped up & the issues with the cam databases. I prefer not having a huge paper trail between the two names because I don't really care for any more stalkers.

    4. Healthy & Safety; I don't tend to take a lot of chances with my health in my personal life, thus I'm willing to in my professional life either, which is another reason I've never done video work. While I could do solo, I feel like most of it would work against my highest priority.

    5. Legacy Factor; This relates a lot to #1 because the better you are at something the more likely you are to be remembered for it after you pass. With that said though, the less common something is, again the more likely you are to be remembered for it as well. Thus choosing to be an adult entertainer over a computer administrator means there's a better chance to leave behind a legacy.

    6. Financial; I feel that for the most part this work actually provides better financial security than most. I don't ever really have to worry about being laid-off from a job, or receiving a regular decrease in pay if a company isn't doing well financially. While I don't think the earnings are as great as they used to be, for me this work still beats a desk job! Plus, if the money starts getting low I can easily travel to areas where its higher. The only real thing to be concerned about is if something happened to me physically that kept me from work, & even then I have many other skills to fall back on... I just wouldn't be as happy doing them.

    7. Schedule flexibility; I've had times at regular jobs where I was denied time off for funerals of family members, where employers refused to give me time off for jury duty (which is illegal), & where I was promised things regarding school & scheduling that never happened. While this isn't true of all states (including CO), for the most part dancing is a job where there is far more flexibility in scheduling, & I know I can always get time off when I need it regardless of the reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ my own priorities were financial ... i.e. videos continue to pay future 'dividends' without any additional work being required !!! Escorting, stripping, camming etc. all stop producing income the minute the girl stops actively working !
    That's true, but for the most part the only ones able to collect are those either selling their own content/videos, or those who were smart enough to write that agreement into their contract... & many don't fall into either of those categories. That's one of the bonuses to those photos I did when I was younger. While they may not be the best, the contract was at least really good, with the rights to the images reverting back to me if the company ever went under, which it did. That means theoretically I could re-sell the photos. A good contract done, with people of their word, can change a lot of situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ my own priorities were financial ... i.e. videos continue to pay future 'dividends' without any additional work being required !!! Escorting, stripping, camming etc. all stop producing income the minute the girl stops actively working !
    With adult videos, is there much long term sales potential, or do most sales occur in the short time period immediately following the release?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    With adult videos, is there much long term sales potential, or do most sales occur in the short time period immediately following the release?
    While I don't know the answer to your question I don't think most women receive more income after the initial exchange. As I understand it a girl/guy scene pays $800-1000 upfront for the content and the rights, including to resell footage, make different edits for fetishes, and take photo stills, belong to the company.
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    With adult videos, is there much long term sales potential, or do most sales occur in the short time period immediately following the release?
    It depends on the 'nature' of the adult video I suppose. My own personal area of involvement is obviously big boob fetish oriented thus ongoing sales are fairly substantial. But this is mostly due to FDA rules now making it virtually impossible for new North American girls now limited to 'smaller' breast implants being able to successfully 'compete' with pre FDA girls' breast sizes in attracting big bust fetish customer spending. This means that with no new 'talent' entering this niche, and with lots of existing 'talent' retiring, the handful ( no pun intended ) of remaining 'talent' is in a favorable bargaining position re producers. And prior to the Section 2257 controversy I was able to successfully produce many of my own videos, thus owning all rights plus all revenues / profits outright.

    My biggest problem these days is actually collecting the revenues / profits that are legally due. For example, I was recently informed that one of my videos won an award after being shown on Eastern European cable tv. But actually getting dollar one from the cable tv company would have involved me having to spend tens of thousands of dollars to sue them in their own jurisdiction. While I enjoy drinking absinthe and visiting midieval castles, there was no way I was going to spend weeks or months in a cold rainy foreign city where local politicians / judges had already stacked the deck against me. But in most cases I do actually receive royalty payments i.e.

    Obviously the same scenario does not apply to more 'conventional' types of adult videos ... where 'new meat' walk in the front door and lay down on porn studio casting couches every day. Because of the ever growing 'labor pool' of beautiful porn actresses, performing in 'conventional' types of adult videos now typically involves an up front cash payment ( and a fairly modest one at that ) with zero participation in video sales revenues / profits, zero participation in 'resale' revenues / profits, etc. - in other words 'day labor' !!! Outside of niche markets, the only exceptions these days are extremely high profile porn celebrities ... who were able to establish both their revenue / profit participation rights and their celebrity status under an 'earlier' porn video business model that died right along with the 'Blockbuster' business model.

    And in a more general view of 'long term' industry implications, conventional adult video is now under major pressure from two sides ( again no pun intended !!! ). On the one side you've got rampant piracy 'stealing' sales revenues / profits on existing videos. On the other side you've got HD video technology capable of showing every ingrown pubic hair ! Both of these combine to vastly suppress legitimate sales / depreciate the 'value' of previously produced videos. Also, a brand new business model is developing i.e. girls agreeing to participate in 'private' porn videos where the 'producer', male actor and 'customer' are all the same person. This particular business model disturbes me greatly since it has ALL of the bad attributes of 'day labor' porn 'acting' PLUS all of the risks associated with 'pay for play' sex PLUS new risks regarding resale or otherwise unauthorized uses of the resulting video.

    Thus, arguably, unless a 'new' girl can carve out some sort of specialty niche for herself or otherwise 'differentiate' herself from other performers, where adult videos are concerned ( as well as strip clubs, webcams etc.) 'performance' expectations are increasing while competition is increasing and compensation is decreasing = i.e. declining future prospects.

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