Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

  1. #1
    God/dess anouk.oui's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    2,961
    Thanks
    3,002
    Thanked 1,485 Times in 738 Posts
    My Mood
    Blah

    Smiley This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    i am a student / clothing designer / filmmaker and have a lot of experience of working with professional and semi-professional models and actresses. somehow they all seem to have the same pitfalls for not being hired again.

    yesterday was my catwalk marking n i had an alternative model from the SC model for me. she was gorgeous and had a lot of personality but i dont think ill work with her again. it was a student showcase and she was the only model being paid.
    she managed to turn up 20min late, hungry, thirsty, tired, with an attitude at 11am when she lived not even half hour away from the school.
    then she decided to wear the leotard top garment without underwear establishing genital contact with the garment and the two skirts [major health issue, if i was a company and had that sample top sent in to be borrowed this would be unacceptable and she would have been fired on the spot as top could no longer have been returned]. then as changing tops, she threw the skirt i maid for the marking on the ground, causing one row of the studs of the studded belt i was working on for an entire day to fall off.
    then getting changed, she ripped out my extensions without asking for help and the clip broke.

    all in two hours work. the only reason i offered her money was to make sure she actually shows up.

    wanna know why models and actresses get fired and never rehired again?
    please adhere to these conducts so you will be hired again and again and teach others the same.we need professional models out there!

    1. Be Prepared

    i had an actress turn up to a set without reading the script, just skimming through it. by doing so she didnt see the two line violently sexual scene. i even asked her on the phone if shes okay with that and yes she loves the script.
    then we get to shooting the scene and she looks completely shocked and asks if its a new scene i said no she said shes okay with it before. she says she cant do it, walks off the set on the spot leaving us on an expensive location with a 3hr limit to get everything done and no actress. we decided to cut the scene to save the movie. everybodys angry.
    the less prepared u are, the more you are costing in time and money, the photographers, film crew etc needs to be paid, locations are very expensive and normally have time limitations, there are due dates etc. if you cost half an hour in time and money you are disadvantaging EVERYONE on that production by starting a domino effect.

    however i once had an actor who came to an audition with questions ready, the script disected, notes scribbled on, improv ideas. did i mention i was extremely pleased and the part went to him? i dont care whos a better looking or more famous actor or model. i care that they turn up n turn up prepared.
    sure beats the guy i had to feed lines to offscreen coz he didnt learn them and we had to erase my voice out in editing coz i basically had to read pages for him. wasnt impressed.

    know what is needed of you for a shoot and top it and give 120%


    2. Be Professional

    very very important. main reason why some models never get a recall. this is the reason im firing my model from the first story above.
    professionalism is actually really easy and a show of curtesy to your employers. by turning up on time, ready to work and adhere to workplace laws and instruction you show them you are prepared, ready, mature and trustworthy.

    you are most likely being paid or your reputation depends on the roles and future collaborations. i would never rehire anyone i could not trust. there are already so many things going wrong and stressing people out on sets [locations falling thru, crew sick, crew not getting needed equiment in time or for long enough, props getting damaged, big payout to companies] we need to know that with all this going wrong we can at least count on our model/actors to be ready, be there on time and ready to go. if i cant trust this will happen and know more drama will come of it, i will compromise my choice of model/actress for someone who is able to do the job better.

    i think the most important thing you need to know, is no matter how beautiful, experienced, famous etc you are, the production personelle WILL replace you with a less attractive or experienced but RELIABLE model who will not throw drama and be prepared to work. no one will care if youre an ex playmate or a famous persons gf, they will compromise and replace you. this is known to happen to girls on rap video sets [confessions of a video vixen doco] when girls get too cocky, turn up drunk, demand extra cash and a trailer. everyone can look pretty and shake boobs.


    -------------- to be contd
    FUCK YEAH finally retired after 6 years dancing!!
    NEW to camming
    Use the discount code "DANCER" to get 15% off ALL mermaid bikinis & swimwear at



  2. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to anouk.oui For This Useful Post:


  3. #2
    Featured Member Spinnerette's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    1,033
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1,379 Times in 535 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Ah, but KitanaBlades, if it doesn't apply to you than just skip it. For every model that finds what anouki.oiu said to be common sense, there is a model out there who needs it spelled out for them. Trust me. Also, OW was originally intended for those seeking gainful employment that may or may not have an adult slant. That's why Camming Connection was made because Pryce wants this section to possibly be open to other hustles and not get lost in the dirge of "How can I make money on MFC????" There's a pinned thread here all about getting into modelling so I think it fits.

  4. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Spinnerette For This Useful Post:


  5. #3
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Guam
    Posts
    370
    Thanks
    145
    Thanked 155 Times in 109 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Couldn't agree more, Anouk. We had a girl show up nearly 6 hours late last night. Alot of models seem to think it is all about them--I really wish some would realize that when you come late/show up unprepared you are wasting *everyones* time.
    Last edited by ZePeanut; 06-18-2011 at 06:06 PM.

  6. #4
    God/dess TheBrownFox's Avatar
    Joined
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    10,999
    Thanks
    30,977
    Thanked 22,217 Times in 7,189 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    On Model Mayhem some of the photographers talk about how they charge models a booking fee (I think $50 or $100), which will be refunded to the model at the shoot. Photographers use that method to weed out the models who aren't serious and were gonna just flake anyway. But even some of the serious models might not be willing to pay a booking fee.

    Being flaked on sucks ass. I had a photographer do that to me once. He went on and on about how much he wanted to do a photo shoot with me when I was in town, and when we finally had it set up, he didn't show up (it was gonna be a hotel room shoot). When I finally heard from him again, it was like weeks (months?) later.....

    I told him I had no interest in even discussing a future shoot...he blew it. It's one thing if he had called me back later that night or even the following morning, but this fool waited 'til he saw me on Instant Messenger weeks (or months) later to start apologizing. Pitiful.....
    My referral link for models to join the Boleyn Models daily pay program
    https://cammodelpay.com/ref?page=&campaign=&affToken=NDcx

  7. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to TheBrownFox For This Useful Post:


  8. #5
    God/dess Kylea2's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Denver & San Fran
    Posts
    6,907
    Thanks
    181
    Thanked 2,002 Times in 1,285 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    I have to add to this

    Do not lie to anyone who will be responsible for your wardrobe about your measurements!

    That alone is like the bane of existence for many in the industry. I don't know why it is that people think they can write down whatever measurements they want. If you are going to be wearing clothes... you need to be able to fit into them.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
    On Model Mayhem some of the photographers talk about how they charge models a booking fee (I think $50 or $100), which will be refunded to the model at the shoot. Photographers use that method to weed out the models who aren't serious and were gonna just flake anyway. But even some of the serious models might not be willing to pay a booking fee.

    Being flaked on sucks ass. I had a photographer do that to me once. He went on and on about how much he wanted to do a photo shoot with me when I was in town, and when we finally had it set up, he didn't show up (it was gonna be a hotel room shoot). When I finally heard from him again, it was like weeks (months?) later.....

    I told him I had no interest in even discussing a future shoot...he blew it. It's one thing if he had called me back later that night or even the following morning, but this fool waited 'til he saw me on Instant Messenger weeks (or months) later to start apologizing. Pitiful.....
    Did you check references on this person? That does happen, but it's far less common than flakey models.

    I have a rule now on flakey models... I don't wait. If it's a shoot for a client I try to keep a back-up list of models that will be available that day. If it's an event, I book 3x the number of models needed (even paid 2/3 won't show up), if it's anything related to trade and the model doesn't call ahead to let me know something is wrong & he/she will be late - they can't expect me to wait around... I'll find something else that needs to be done, usually not where the shoot was planned to be. If they no-show, they get blacklisted... I won't ever schedule with them again.
    Don't you ever sleep?
    Not at night...that's when the stars have rather better things to do. They're coming out, shining, that sort of thing.
    - Blog -
    My PM box fills up quick. If you have a question please with your username.
    Congrats to Pryce on doing some much needed tending in his garden!
    - -


  9. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Kylea2 For This Useful Post:


  10. #6
    Featured Member sananeko's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2009
    Location
    stuck in hell and ready to escape
    Posts
    1,861
    Thanks
    30
    Thanked 540 Times in 332 Posts
    My Mood
    Happy

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Thank you anouk.oui in truth it really needed to be typed out..

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to sananeko For This Useful Post:


  12. #7
    God/dess anouk.oui's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    2,961
    Thanks
    3,002
    Thanked 1,485 Times in 738 Posts
    My Mood
    Blah

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    I have to add to this

    Do not lie to anyone who will be responsible for your wardrobe about your measurements!

    That alone is like the bane of existence for many in the industry. I don't know why it is that people think they can write down whatever measurements they want. If you are going to be wearing clothes... you need to be able to fit into them.



    Did you check references on this person? That does happen, but it's far less common than flakey models.

    I have a rule now on flakey models... I don't wait. If it's a shoot for a client I try to keep a back-up list of models that will be available that day. If it's an event, I book 3x the number of models needed (even paid 2/3 won't show up), if it's anything related to trade and the model doesn't call ahead to let me know something is wrong & he/she will be late - they can't expect me to wait around... I'll find something else that needs to be done, usually not where the shoot was planned to be. If they no-show, they get blacklisted... I won't ever schedule with them again.
    YES
    second. especially if the clothing is tight fitting and a few centimetres can make or break the look. my model said shes an 8 in dress and shoes but i still measured her twice and adjusted my work mannequin so i absolutely nail her measurements and made her walk around in the shoes i had in mind.

    good idea with the photographers charging a fee too, a lot of work goes into preparation and i would be really frustrated if the model decided to ditch it.
    my club fines us $30/10min of lateness, i fined her $5/10min for lateness. i also regret not charging her more just so she takes being on time more seriously.

    im sorry if this is really really basic, but honestly, majority of models and actresses i worked with, regardless whether adult shoot or not, the reason they are not chosen for further work opportunities with the same people would be for lack of attempt at professionalism.
    FUCK YEAH finally retired after 6 years dancing!!
    NEW to camming
    Use the discount code "DANCER" to get 15% off ALL mermaid bikinis & swimwear at



  13. #8
    God/dess TheBrownFox's Avatar
    Joined
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    10,999
    Thanks
    30,977
    Thanked 22,217 Times in 7,189 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post


    Did you check references on this person? That does happen, but it's far less common than flakey models.

    No, references weren't checked.

    Models are probably more likely to flake than photographers, I agree. It's pretty inconsiderate for a person - whether it's the model or photographer - to book a shoot and then just not show up and not call. It's a waste, because that's a time slot the person could've devoted to shooting with someone else.
    My referral link for models to join the Boleyn Models daily pay program
    https://cammodelpay.com/ref?page=&campaign=&affToken=NDcx

  14. #9
    God/dess TheBrownFox's Avatar
    Joined
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    10,999
    Thanks
    30,977
    Thanked 22,217 Times in 7,189 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by anouk.oui View Post
    good idea with the photographers charging a fee too, a lot of work goes into preparation and i would be really frustrated if the model decided to ditch it.
    my club fines us $30/10min of lateness, i fined her $5/10min for lateness. i also regret not charging her more just so she takes being on time more seriously.

    im sorry if this is really really basic, but honestly, majority of models and actresses i worked with, regardless whether adult shoot or not, the reason they are not chosen for further work opportunities with the same people would be for lack of attempt at professionalism.


    It was me who posted about photographers charging a fee. I've never had to pay a booking fee, but I've read about it on the Model Mayhem General Industry forum.
    My referral link for models to join the Boleyn Models daily pay program
    https://cammodelpay.com/ref?page=&campaign=&affToken=NDcx

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to TheBrownFox For This Useful Post:


  16. #10
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    264
    Thanks
    196
    Thanked 320 Times in 133 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    I learned the hard way back in my film student days, always have a back up model. A flaky girl almost ruined my sophmore film project. The film dept at my university accepted no incompletes so I would have failed if I hadn't managed to find a another model and re-shoot the entire film in a day. Yes film not video. My previously shot film was worthless as the girls looked nothing alike.

    From then on I always had a back up model. I have a plan B for my plan B, always. It's one of the most valuable lessons I learned in college. To this day if you are 6 minutes or more late to my shoot by the time you arrive you will find you have been replaced. Like time and tide I wait for no one. Time and money are too valuable. Photo and film shoots are often tightly scheduled there is just no room for nonsense.

    I lead by example. I am always professional, on time, and under budget if I can manage it. Those who work with me follow my example. You can be stern, yet polite, and respectful. One of the the other things I learned in college was to make calls earlier than the time I wanted to start the shoot. I know actors and models need time to warm up, I schedule for that. I always provided snacks and water. I always scheduled a run through rehearsal of ALL scenes prior to going on location. Yes by my senior year everyone jumped at and valued the chance to be in my projects because I treated everyone so well. I could pick and choose.

    Now having said all that the model your dealing with would not have worked for me that day when she showed up I would have sent her home. I would have called everyone I know or begged a stranger on the street. Models/actors who are late/have attitude are showing disrespect for everyone involved in the production and I won't tolerate it. Oh an yes I have replaced an actress with a rude attitude with the sound girl. I ran sound myself and we re-shot two scenes. Still finished on time. An irresponsible model costs way too much in terms of time, money, and crew morale.
    Last edited by hidarlin; 06-19-2011 at 08:01 AM.

  17. #11
    Moderator Djoser's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Key West
    Posts
    16,343
    Thanks
    1,395
    Thanked 5,487 Times in 2,768 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by anouk.oui View Post
    ...had an alternative model from the SC model for me. she was gorgeous and had a lot of personality but i dont think ill work with her again. it was a student showcase and she was the only model being paid.
    she managed to turn up 20min late, hungry, thirsty, tired, with an attitude at 11am when she lived not even half hour away from the school.
    then she decided to wear the leotard top garment without underwear establishing genital contact with the garment and the two skirts [major health issue, if i was a company and had that sample top sent in to be borrowed this would be unacceptable and she would have been fired on the spot as top could no longer have been returned]. then as changing tops, she threw the skirt i maid for the marking on the ground, causing one row of the studs of the studded belt i was working on for an entire day to fall off.
    then getting changed, she ripped out my extensions without asking for help and the clip broke.

    all in two hours work. the only reason i offered her money was to make sure she actually shows up.
    Sad to say, I have worked with a lot of women who would do all of this and also bitch up a storm the entire time. But there are also some who might have worked out well.
    You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
    Friedrich Nietzsche

    Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
    George Clinton

    ______________________________________

  18. #12
    God/dess Kylea2's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Denver & San Fran
    Posts
    6,907
    Thanks
    181
    Thanked 2,002 Times in 1,285 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
    No, references weren't checked.

    Models are probably more likely to flake than photographers, I agree. It's pretty inconsiderate for a person - whether it's the model or photographer - to book a shoot and then just not show up and not call. It's a waste, because that's a time slot the person could've devoted to shooting with someone else.
    I totally agree. I had a photographer schedule a shoot with me once & no show. I had to get up at 3:30 in the morning, drive 40 minutes, plus get my hair/nails done right before... so I was PISSED. To this day he still sends me friends requests online that I always deny. Anytime someone asks about him, I have nothing nice to say. On the other hand, I've only ever had in happen once.
    Don't you ever sleep?
    Not at night...that's when the stars have rather better things to do. They're coming out, shining, that sort of thing.
    - Blog -
    My PM box fills up quick. If you have a question please with your username.
    Congrats to Pryce on doing some much needed tending in his garden!
    - -


  19. The Following User Says Thank You to Kylea2 For This Useful Post:


  20. #13
    God/dess TheBrownFox's Avatar
    Joined
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    10,999
    Thanks
    30,977
    Thanked 22,217 Times in 7,189 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    On the other hand, I've only ever had in happen once.


    That's good. Me too. That's the only time I recall having a photographer flake on me.
    My referral link for models to join the Boleyn Models daily pay program
    https://cammodelpay.com/ref?page=&campaign=&affToken=NDcx

  21. #14
    God/dess Sam38g's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Miami
    Posts
    5,067
    Thanks
    6,589
    Thanked 26,853 Times in 4,529 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    I do work in porn.
    Always check out offers and do plenty of research before agreeing to do a gig.

    But if the offer is mispellled words or improper usage of grammar and no punctuation, then I do NOT even think it is legit job. Learning the basics of English language is not that hard. People who do business the right way make sure everything they write is correct, no matter where it is posted. All communication is a reflection of who you are and how professional.

    Do NOT like people who tell others how to be professional, when their basic writting skills aren't good. There are ways to give advice without sounding like an ass yourself.

    If you hire unprofessional models then EXPECT unprofessional behaviors.

    Worked for 12 years as a model. Have graced more than 20 adult magazine covers. I have my own site and have hired many male and females to work for me. Rarely am I ever disappointed, because I do my research and have the privilege work with incredible talented people who make my day a joy.

    There is a saying "You get what you put out there in the world."

    If these models have to listen to your negative lectures before getting booked for a job, no wonder they don't show up. Life is simple. People do not want to be around negative people.

    Agents, hence why there are agents to deal with the models to make sure they show up on time, be prepared for the job and do it correctly.

    If you had given a list of how to be prepared for a gig, then that would have been helpful. But you just came here to bitch about models. Which I do find offensive.

    Best Regards,
    Sam

  22. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Sam38g For This Useful Post:


  23. #15
    Featured Member
    Joined
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    957
    Thanks
    621
    Thanked 756 Times in 354 Posts

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    I do work in porn.
    Always check out offers and do plenty of research before agreeing to do a gig.

    But if the offer is mispellled words or improper usage of grammar and no punctuation, then I do NOT even think it is legit job. Learning the basics of English language is not that hard. People who do business the right way make sure everything they write is correct, no matter where it is posted. All communication is a reflection of who you are and how professional.

    Do NOT like people who tell others how to be professional, when their basic writting skills aren't good. There are ways to give advice without sounding like an ass yourself.

    If you hire unprofessional models then EXPECT unprofessional behaviors.

    Worked for 12 years as a model. Have graced more than 20 adult magazine covers. I have my own site and have hired many male and females to work for me. Rarely am I ever disappointed, because I do my research and have the privilege work with incredible talented people who make my day a joy.

    There is a saying "You get what you put out there in the world."

    If these models have to listen to your negative lectures before getting booked for a job, no wonder they don't show up. Life is simple. People do not want to be around negative people.

    Agents, hence why there are agents to deal with the models to make sure they show up on time, be prepared for the job and do it correctly.

    If you had given a list of how to be prepared for a gig, then that would have been helpful. But you just came here to bitch about models. Which I do find offensive.

    Best Regards,
    Sam
    I could not agree more Sam.
    Last edited by KitanaBlades; 06-22-2011 at 11:58 AM.

  24. #16
    Veteran Member mistresscyn's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    243
    Thanks
    1,505
    Thanked 228 Times in 100 Posts
    My Mood
    Cheeky

    Default Re: This Is Why I Fire Models - a lesson in profesionalism

    Here's 2 rules that I've found worked well for me and will help a lot of models in the future:

    Setting a precedence of bring your "A" Game will resolve that day you woke up late, hit a traffic jam, etc
    -I've been late to gigs before or have had to call off on gigs. However, I still work with the majority of the companies that these issues have occurred because I show up, on time, to 99% of the other gigs they've booked me on. (I also recruit people for gigs who show up, on time, as well, and have been extended a recruiters position in the past because of it.)

    Know your job/know your industry.
    -I've had costuming assistants screw up constantly on film sets (miss me for approvals, measure me wrong, etc). However, if you know your measurements and your job well enough (which at times means knowing the jobs of other people around you), then you can mitigate any issue that might arise.

Similar Threads

  1. Learning for top models/good models.. what do they do right?
    By Fridays in forum Camming Connection
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 07-13-2011, 04:40 PM
  2. Every kid needs a lesson like this
    By Hatshepsut in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 09-20-2008, 10:25 PM
  3. fire-breathing/fire-eating
    By sweetshyrrl in forum Hustle Hut
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 04-14-2006, 07:54 AM
  4. Fire eater set stripper's boobs on fire
    By Destiny in forum The Lounge
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 11-13-2005, 01:17 PM
  5. Lesson Learned
    By tRoUbLeMaKeR in forum Stripping (was Stripping General)
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 09-27-2004, 05:23 AM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •