
LOL at the (or owe) part



Hello ladies,
I was wondering if anyone could tell me what might have happened here..am trying to connect on Justcamit and am getting:
Server Status : Connecting to Server, wait....
Server Status : Cannot Connect to Server
Again and again..does anyone know what this might be and how I could resolve it?
Thanks a lot x



Its happening to me too



Oh, thank you for the heads up, Cat. I've never actually had problems with the software itself, only loading the site, so I was a bit alarmed!Not good at all! Don't have a massive window to cam in today. x x
And of course, SM is dead..oh dear!





Where does it say this? Can you send me a screenshot please? Would be very useful to have info from different states. As far as EU goes the directives state that live webinar, online teaching etc are NOT digital services. only things that are automated or require minimal human intervention fall into the definition.





I was on for a couple of hours today...all the shows were under 2 minutes, and privates were about 30 seconds...not sure if that was me, my prices or AW issues. The site looks as busy as usual but most of the girls in paid were charging less than me. I can't connect at the moment either.
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Oh goodness..sorry to hear you're having problems getting connected too..it's been over an hour now for me at least. Fingers crossed it sorts itself out soon. x





Thanks ArwenLots of girls are online so maybe it's our particular server.
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This is a good and simply write up of the new EU laws for those still in the dark http://www.britmums.com/2014/12/will...tal-mess-2015/





For those who want to read the guidelines in full (which i recommend) https://www.gov.uk/government/public...vate-consumers
The parts specifically relevant to us:
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-by-the-change (These new changes should NOT apply to our services except for galleries/ movies)
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ivate-consumer (We should not be charged VAT on our AW admin fee)





I'm on DirectIM this morning and a customer can't get into private with me...I've quilted and gone back in which usually works but no joy, so now I've added group and he still can't get in. Wonderful!!!
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So, looking at the "Examples of electronic supplies and whether or not they are 'digital services'", I would say we fall under the "webinar" category, which is exempt. Looking up what "webinar" actually means (although it seems pretty self-explanatory), it says "a seminar or other presentation that takes place on the Internet, allowing participants in different locations to see and hear the presenter, ask questions, and sometimes answer polls". I mean, that's pretty much hitting the nail on the head, right? They ask questions, "Give us a twirl, bb?" and we instruct them on the correct use of their penises.
To me, it looks like the VAT changes apply in instances where something is already created and automatically supplied by clicking a button, ie. our pre-recorded videos, photos, etc, rather than things that require an actual human being to do the transmitting, ie. webcam, phone chat, custom-made content. The question is, is AW really going to take any of this on board? It feels like they're just slapping a blanket VAT on everything to cover all bases.


The website is not in English.
But it specifically says "webcam services" and "phone services".
This is probably why it goes wrong, if every EU country has other interpertations of the law and AW based in Cyprus, they will have no clue what to follow or who's advise to take.
My new details have been accepted again. until they change their minds again LOL
Now I just have to hope that my internet connection can last the night, as it went off at 10:30 last night




Models end up paying the VAT - there's no way around it... The reason I say this is because when a customer buys credit, be it 50 credits, 100 credits or whatever, that is what he spends on his sessions and that's it. He will get 20 - 25% (depending on his country of residence in EU) less time in private for the same purchase. He's not going to up his credit purchases by exactly 20 - 25% to compensate for the increased rates, so despite him "respecting" the new VAT adjusted rates, he just spends less time in private.
Therefore us models have to consider one of 2 choices - lowering our prices by 20 - 25%, or keeping them the same. If you keep your prices the same or lower them, the customer will likely still spend the same on you, but you will work 20 - 25% longer if you lower the rates. There's another compelling reason why lowering rates is a BAD idea - non-EU based customers do NOT see the VAT adjusted rates so you'll lose 20 - 25% on those customers or work 20 - 25% longer for the same commission. My biggest spenders are non-EU based customers, so there's no way I'm going to lower my rates for them and at the same time work 20 - 25% longer for the same money with my EU based customers.




Customers based out of the EU zone will not see VAT adjusted prices. I suspect a European model will get a lot of interested from customers based outside the EU. Some countries pay as high as 25% VAT (Norway?).
I've lived in a country when VAT taxes were first introduced. There's always a widespread panic to new taxes. It will settle down over time.
AW doesn't make more profit by VAT adjustments as that money is collected by the EU tax authorities. AW are not going to find this transition profitable and they are not doing this because they want to. The only way I can see AW winning from this is if a high percentage of models panic and lower their prices - which will add to overall site popularity, particularly outside the EU zone. This will indirectly help the higher charging models too due to increased traffic.
Who knows? Maybe the new owners have a plan to move to a tax haven. Apple escapes high US taxes by keeping cash reserves in tax havens - why couldn't AW do the same? It's an internet based company - easy to move.








Great if you're right, but the way I see it is we pay AW an administration fee (30% +VAT) for the service they provide us. AW doesn't pay us commission, we pay them a service fee.
I haven't been online since October 1. Are they now charging 6% for JCI fees for models based in EU?
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Aw rejected my 2nd lot of paperwork. I really dont know what it is they want from us? They have no right to see how much Tax/Ni we pay..surely?
I have messaged Aw yesterday to ask what docs they do want..still waiting for a reply though
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