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    Default How many Spenders/Tippers? How many Camgirls?

    Over 27000 registered camgirls on Stream, and I think the number is higher for MFC...then you have live Jasmin and IM, and the boutique camsites and Indy girls and so on...1100+ on right now live on SM and 900+ on MFC.....

    2000 girls all competing for the same dollars from the finite number of guys who tip....

    So try and answer these questions as best you can, as kind of a test in basic math and business and supply and demand and even scope and quantity...

    1. How many Whales do you think there are? In the world I mean...I don;t mean the big mammals that sing under the sea...I mean the men who really treat us well and can make a camgirl sing the happi song and do the happi danse of joi....the guys who spend well over $1000 per week.

    2. How many BIG spenders...say $250-$999 per week? In the world...

    3. How many Good Tippers $50-$250 per week?

    4. How many average Joes say $5-$50?

    5 and the big one...How many freeloaders??? Guests and Basics and guys who just sit and watch and use their 30 free seconds to see you naked and stuff....

    Now, how many camgirls in the world? Let's break it down....

    A. How many girls working at LEAST 3 times per week? On every camsite worldwide.

    B. How many work once or twice a week, or at least average that?

    C. How many working sporadically so they are still out there, but may not average once a week?

    Now, I think you might, when you truly think about this, begin to see that the commonly SPEWED thing on here of "There's more than enough customers to go around!" is a load of shit...I bet there are, right now, less customers of any real value, than there are camgirls who cam once a week average or more...

    If you think I'm wrong, please bring some good fact and knock my argument on its ass...because I think this subject needs to be BURNED into every camgirl's head...tattoo it on yer forehead...

    GOOD customers aren't a dime a dozen, they are INCREASINGLY rare. Not because there are less of them every day..no..but because there are so many more of US.

    When I started in the fucking stone age of camming, you could easily make $2k per week...it was kinda hard NOT to. REALLY. Now, how many of you HONESTLY average $2k a week? How bout $1k AVERAGE? You don't have to answer out loud...I don't care about yer income....

    Wanna know why? There was me, 4 or 5 other English speaking women, and the Romanians (meaning the asians, romanians, and other eastern country women)...and hundreds of men who wanted sex chat with women who speak their fucking language...supply of US was TINY teensy itty bitty...and Demand from those men was HUGE...sore pussy, quit because yer tired even though privates are waiting good...

    Now there are 27000+ on streamate...and an equal number on MFC and an equal number (at least) on all the other sites combined...and the number of SPENDING customers just HAS NOT risen as fast and the number of whales and truly big spenders might have doubled in these years, while the umber of camgirls has gone up like 12 times....

    It is basic damn business, supply and demand...If you don't play with the pussy in free chat, SOMEONE will. If you don't do anal some biatch will. If you do EVERYTHING cool in your power, men are still visual animals who like variety and they WILL look elsewhere, and there is SO MUCH MORE elsewhere now...

    So take from this whatever you will. Argue with me all you want...I have been there working and working with many different camgirls since the "beginning" and I know with my own eyes what has happened. I am telling you for your own good because I like you all a lot.

    The time has come for a BIG change. I'm about to deliver some of the tools now to help that, and I am willing to help with some others.

    But giving away the best secrets...Not a great idea...
    Helping more camgirls invade the turf...Not a great idea...
    Helping any competitor steal your regulars...Not a great idea...
    Helping girls get the new customers coming aboard the internet gravytrain...the WORST idea...

    How many whales in the world? How many do you have that adore you and support you? Can you honestly afford to give out advice that will help OTHER girls get those whales?

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    Also, there are always new men coming into the internet, but only a small percentage get the concept of camming, and find us and stuff.

    Combine this with the fact that whales and BIG tippers don't last forever. There are probably a FEW guys around from 5 years ago...So we need new RICH blood....and we're in a REALLY bad recession, where people are losing money more than gaining it...

    Most Whales and BIG spenders get disillusioned with not really getting anything for the thousands they spend, or they get married or start getting steady pussy, or get a camgirl to fuck/marry them or order a russian bride or whatever...but they almost all end up gone after while...

    Next...we have the MFC phenomena...Everyone talks about MFC being this or that...but MFC hurts camgirls....why?

    Because they don't follow their own rules...I've said it before, and now I'll explain it...

    They don't follow the rules and they let girls do cucumber in the twat in free chat, right?

    So now HUNDREDS of girls do fuck machines and bunch o' carrots in the puss and all sorts of crazy shit, all in FREE chat...and in comes say 10,000 new customers this year...in the OLD days, they got NOTHING free...not even a tit. Now they get "Pop the cap off the beer bottle with her cunt" in free chat...and they have to pay absolutely nothing...so they LEARN a way of doing camming that ruins it for us...

    Where i believe we've been decimated by the new form of camming with nudity on SM and MFC being the wild west, is that the Regular Spender...ol' stable Joe who used to buy/tip $20-$50 per week, well, he doesn't tip anywhere near that anymore....because he gets SO MUCH for free.

    Any camgirl who lets a guy complete his masturbation and reach orgasm without getting for a few dollars, has betrayed herself and all of us...who would have made him pay or sent him packing...

    So...there ya go...my theories...not written in stone...but I think they make sense.

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    I think you've hit the nail on the head. Back in the day for me it was back to back privates all day everyday, five year break and wham - reality check. I would say the foot fall (or traffic) has decreased but the big problem is they're not spending - they want it for free. My problem is not so much getting the traffic into my room - it's converting that traffic into paying customers.

    As you so rightly say it's a simple matter of numbers - supply and demand - and at the moment supply far out strips demand. What happens in business when you get this situation?

    There are two ways to go - either you lower your prices in order to be competitive and to undercut your rivals or you go the high end luxury route - selling less units but at a higher price (think the difference between Ford and Rolls Royce - both are very successful but use completely different strategies). The real trick is to try and do both - sell in vast quantities at a high price - think Apple. This is very difficult to do because it's about the brand, it's about selling more than a product - you're selling a lifestyle, you're tapping into people's aspirations and their vanity.

    Most companies who go with the low unit, high price strategy will fail - the market by it's very nature can only sustain a few such businesses. For most other companies it's about stripping away as much cost as possible in order to lower prices and maintain profit margins. It's about a race to the bottom at the expense of quality. The bigger the gap between supply and demand the more companies cannot compete and they go out of business - thereby relieving the over supply. In theory at this stage you should see an increase in prices as demand is ctahcing up with supply but business is about more than just numbers, psychology also plays it's part - if customers are used to paying low prices they wont be happy if the price goes up - someone will always undercut you and the customers will go there instead. So you have to lower your prices again to compete - and so on and so on - once the race to the bottom starts it rarely ever stops. Once prices become low they will stay low. Couple that with a global recession meaning people have less discretionary income and you are in big trouble - margins get eaten away until only the really big boys can compete because they have the economy of scale on their side.

    Now i know camming isn't exactly like that as there is no tangible product being sold but it is still business and lots of the same rules apply. Certainly the principles of supply and demand apply.

    The solution? I don't know really - a niche, a unique selling point, doing it better than everyone else? Or just joining the race and lowering your prices, lowering your standards, accepting the fact that you're gonna have to work much harder for much less money?

    The supply demand ratio is all fucked up in camming right now - what really needs to happen is for lots of girls to go out of business to get the balance back but it looks like supply is set to keep on increasing at a higher rate than demand meaning a smaller share of a dwindling plot of money.
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    The industry has changed - dramatically - and its benefiting some (like most businesses do) over the majority. I mean that's the point. Increase competition to get workers to work harder and adapt to business models that are less costly to owners & more exciting for consumers. The goal of the worker is to exploit that power dynamic as much as possible to benefit them if they have the capacity to do this - stay afloat (average cammers who slowly adapt), drown (those who cannot adapt), or excel (successful cammers).

    Girls who are nude/'orgasm' in free typically are being paid in some respect or are advertising for themselves. As upsetting as people find this - give camming another few years and this will be the standard... that's why sites like SM don't enforce their lax rules on this and its fruitless for girls to report it and get frustrated when they see it. It impacts everyone's business but that's going to be the norm very very soon.

    MFC is the newest model, sex and porn consumption in general has been dramatically changed by the internet and will continue to be --- if this were still the dark ages of people buying porn in remote adult bookstores where fans are too embarassed to share with one another we'd be all consistently high paid workers.

    Camming like most businesses are not based off of what the worker wants but the best way to maximize profit for the bosses... the debate over MFC or SM destroying camming is great for theoretical discussions but for those of us who are currently active webcam models the debate to me always hits a brick wall as the ones booing the shifted system aren't still (or have ever been) workers within it - either b/c they are consumers themselves or they've evolved their own business structure to stay afloat (like yourself Bambalina) - while those who are still workers have to reinvent/stay relevant and stay on top of the changing models. Competition gets tighter as camming is slowly becoming more mainstreamed and there are probably no (longer term) online sex workers who ONLY cam anymore due to this ongoing shift... many of us sell content, do white labels, run sites, promote, phone sex, independent camming, etc. Right? Discussions like this favor those who are disengaged from the system - its easier talk about camming in the greater scheme of things & how cam girls are the ones ruining the system by participating in sites like MFC that sidesteps the 1-on-1 private model if you're not a daily participant or direct beneficiary of the changing model.

    I think the critical issue for cam girls and any kind of sex performer on the internet or films at this point is piracy, age restrictions (of viewers/consumers), copyright uh 'flexibility' if you will, and internationally probably sex trafficking. Each of those things have many things in motion already to begin hacking away at how piracy/copyright/trafficking/minors are fucking things up b/c they have direct legal repercussions. MFC at some point will *have* to reevaluate its totally open system but that does not mean that their model will change since its so lucrative, so popular, and so many sites are borrowing from their model. Those are the only tangible items that come to mind to me.

    If I did not cam, I'd probably have a different position on this - but that'd be because my position would be a disengaged (and therefore privileged) one.





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    @Bambalina, so pretty much you idea is for us to STOP doing FREE shows in public rooms..
    Totally agree.
    The thing is this : bottom line is the $$$.
    If doing that makes u $$$, then u do it.
    Most of the cam girls don't think of what it will happen next year, they want the cash yesterday if possible...........

    ( GinnyPotter from MFC-- not my fav at all, she cant fake it that good lol.. one time she apparently "came " with the sex machine and literally 5 seconds after that she was reading the chat ( or whatever she was doing staring at her monitor) like nothing has happened........... but... I dont even want to think how much she accumulated in tips prior to her " not so good" performance...)

    Im not sure what the real purpose of your post is, I tend to think it it something beyond advising girls to stop doing public shows for pennies....

    But what about we start a thread about whos on MFC, just to see how many of us are on MFC and aprox what position do they have ( it matters alot b/cause a good position will get the guys to listen to u.. hey ur closer to God if you're closer to the first row )..
    So after we see whos on MFC ( cause this fucking site is the Devil lol ).. we pledge ( ALLLL of us from SW ) to N.O.T. do public shows at all for a period of time, lets say 1 week... and Advertise only groups/privates ( and encouraging tips for other then Public shows.)
    it worths a try......

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    God I love you guys! GREAT responses! I have damn tears in my eyes, you guys rock.

    Ok, so the first thing....

    What actually got me to get my little fingies moving and type all that was the semi-debate that is always going on here about whether or not we should be posting blatantly helpful info for the entire planet to read. Info that will bring in 8 jillion new camgirls who are now armed with 0 experience and a bunch of YOUR cool secret ninja skills, because you posted em' on a forum!

    Now being somewhat of a hippy chick, I always tend toward open information and open sharing of what we've got and so on...but that is generally within the realm if things which for all intents and purposes are not finite and closed system, like camming.

    So I am not judging, and not telling anyone what they SHOULD do or what they MUST do...just laying out facts as I see them.

    I mean, if you have 10,000 camgirls, and 20,000 customers, and this gets those 10k camgirls enough to live and a happi little bonus on life, do you then work your ass off daily to bring 10,000 MORE camgirls into this business and literally cut your own living in half? (especially considering all the studio websites, camsites, blogs, etc. out there that recruit camgirls all day, every day, 24/7 and promise them "$2000 weekly" and shit...there will be THOUSANDS of new camgirls this year no matter what you do)

    How bout this one? There are 10,000 camgirls, and 20,000 customers...and this means each camgirl if all things are equal should be averaging 2 customers, and just making a living. But you, being smart have figured out 10 different tricks and those ten tricks have gotten you 12 customers total and you are cleaning up and doing well. Do you TELL those tricks to the other 9999 camgirls? Now lets say 50 other camgirls know all different variations on those tricks...How will you feel when they start spilling your tricks publicly? And lastly...If you determine that the business can support 5000 camgirls nicely, or even say 2000...What is the logical move? (especially considering all the studio websites, camsites, blogs, etc. out there that recruit camgirls all day, every day, 24/7 and promise them "$2000 weekly" and shit...there will be THOUSANDS of new camgirls this year no matter what you do)

    Now we get to the other end. And I answer a direct question.

    I think FREE SHOWS are FINE. So long as you think carefully about what you are providing. I mean, MFC has rules, and if they stuck strictly to those rules and fined and banned girls who broke them even once and were REALLY tight about those rules, I see no problem with it. I think MFC is a completely reasonable set of rules. What blows chunks is that they don;t follow their rules AT ALL.

    Now, I say mist women will understand that a reasonable standard is that we don't do shows where MOST MEN (and that's say 80%) will be able to masturbate to completion from your show. So the "1000 tokens gets a naked strip tease" or the "50 tokens for a flash" or even going topless for a short time, or streaking, or stuff like that...those things can reasonably be called titillating...but not hard core...So read what MFC says in their rules...No vagina play and no insertion and so on, they lay out what I just said clearly, and then ignore the fact that there are girls ramming cucumbers in the ol' hoohah...

    The problem is not just shows in public, but full on hardcore shows that allow HUNDREDS of men to masturbate to orgasm and not need YOU, even if yer the one doing the show, only a few had to pay for it. And those who pick on MFC are correct to do so, HOWEVER...it is still the women who choose to break the rules so egregiously and take it to THAT level. NOT MFC. We all know that we rely on horny men who need to cum for our living, and these girls are taking your potential customers and making them cum. And now they can go to sleep like little lambs with their deflated cocks and full wallets.

    So, I am not dictating behavior, just pointing out trends that hurt us all. And remember, I am in a unique position here...I am a woman who has done your job, and also a woman who promotes and manages several women at all times who do your job, so I still rely, just as much as you, on the business we're discussing.

    More in a minute on other stuff...

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    Again - totally agree.

    Out of interest Bamb - how many of the girls doing the cucumber in vag thing do you think are in studios and how many independents? I can't say i've spent much time looking on MFC but it looked to me that the ones doing the really nasty shit were in studios. You think they're being made to do it?

    The reason i ask is your logic makes perfect sense to me - why would you give it away for free when you could reserve the hardcore stuff for just paying customers? Now if you're in studio and getting paid a wage then you don't really care - you're going to do anything to get those tips and make your basic so you get paid your wage. By not getting the minimum amount of tips you wont get your wage so you'll do everything in your power to make sure that doesnt happen. Sure you could do a vanilla show and you might make enough for that wage but you've probably got a better chance if you shove a cucumber up your ass. The studio bosses will obviously encourage this - it means they get the tips and it also takes business away from rivals.

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    Sorry if this is off topic but how is your new site for camgirls coming?

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    Specific Stuff:

    boobygirl: You said a few very interesting things. First I think you get it right when you say niche and unique selling point. And overall, the trick would be to open a new market, and have a small group of women aware of it and ready to exploit it, and don't let the mass of camgirls IN to fuck it all up. That is what I am working for right now.

    Secondly, as to huge amounts leaving the business...the concept of survival of the fittest needs to be implemented. I cannot say how much I love the friends I have made on this board, and how I feel to be part of this wonderful machine...But this place, the way it is done now, is poison in many ways to camming as a whole. We need less camgirls and to keep the ones who are failing and lazy and not very serious from getting the secrets that steal our customers, and MANY of these threads specifically spoonfeed information which cuts the throats of our fellow camgirls...And you can't jump up and down and yell...because they are posting that stuff to help YOU...they just don't realize that there are 40 people reading this at every single minute of every single day...people they absolutely DIDN'T intend to help. Girls that snicker and say "suckers" about the helpful attitude and then use those secrets to literally rob us blind, and those girls NEVER GIVE ANYTHING, and that is what makes them robbers. Or as Touring says "Leeches". I facepalm daily over the sadness I feel at the amount of value given to the undeserving for FREE.

    Lastly, you say there are two ways to go...I disagree, and I'll get to that in my next post.

    Roast: "Camming like most businesses are not based off of what the worker wants but the best way to maximize profit for the bosses... "

    This to me is the biggest problem. Period. In camming there is NO bigger problem. Piracy pales in comparison to this, the recession pales in comparison...It is the mentality of those who would pay you 35% of what you EARNED. It is the mentality of those who would ruin the business to line their pockets and ignore their own rules and allow individual camgirls, who made their multi-million dollar business, allow them to suffer and lose.

    And that I will also get to at the time in the next post.

    "many of us sell content, do white labels, run sites, promote, phone sex, independent camming, etc. Right?"

    Absolutely true, and then we come here and teach the girls who are unable to do this/too lazy to learn how to do this/etc. HOW to glut those markets as well, how to put 50,000 new faces into all those realms as well. How smart is that?

    THAT is one of the points I was trying to make.

    Lastly, this:

    "or they've evolved their own business structure to stay afloat (like yourself Bambalina) - while those who are still workers have to reinvent/stay relevant and stay on top of the changing models."

    You have to understand that every girl I promote..I have to make them a LOT of money camming. I have to make them more than the average camgirl, and then some, because I take some of it. Otherwise I a cannot promote them successfully. So for me, it is even more crucial that for the average camgirl, because I rely on not only the cam market for my living, but for each woman I work with, I rely on being able to use all the tricks and tweaks to make them money.

    So trust me when I say, if I was as cute and curvy and sexy as in my heyday before the kid and age took their toll, I could still make over $1000 per week...but it would be MUCH more work and MUCH harder than it was when I WAS cute and curvy and so on...

    That being said, and realize I did NOT take offense at what you said, but explain it because...

    Someone who ISN'T slogging it out ON CAM needs to be working for the women who do and helping come up with new paradigms and new markets and avenues, and that is what I try to do. Beside that, I'd love to get out while the getting is good in that sense....

    Fridays: What I want, may not be able to happen. I want the the entire market to shift. I believe it can, but I am eternally an optimist.

    You're right when you say my ultimate motive goes beyond the shows at MFC, or even the sharing of too much info, and all that..And we'll get to that too...

    Doing a strike on doing shows would only work if you had a LOT of women willing to follow you into battle...again, more on that in the next post.

    All of you made me marvel at the thought and intelligence that went into your posts, and I thank you for that.

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    So I read through this post and while I think you make good points, I disagree from a humanist perspective.

    Why not teach the girls how to fish?

    I think of camming as an avenue to bring a lot of girls out of bad situations. Yes, they are competing for my dollars. But that just means I have to be LESS LAZY and step up my game more.

    Sure, ideally the market would be like it was 8 years ago and there would be guys lining up to throw money at my feet. But given that, as we all know, it is not like that... I think it is more of an evolve or die sort of situation.

    It makes our shows better... our content better... and the fans/custs will come back to us because we're not the Romanian sitting there looking bored, watching tv and texting her boyfriend while she is manning two keyboards at once (with her leg in the air at the same time).

    And I wholly agree about not doing shows in free. I recently heard the comment "you are the only non-Russian who is not in private right now, maybe you should get naked." Um, no thanks Mister 3/10 customer who has visited 1k times and I have never seen in private chat. Some days are just slow. And, I will not give away the milk for free.

    I do have integrity. Some days I am more generous than others. But I won't be showing my kitty to someone for free.

    Will the girls who want to f themselves with produce in free stop doing it? Unlikely. But we can just hold ourselves to our own standards and hope to develop regulars who are not interested in trash.

    Just sayin'

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    Ok, you guys are gonna keep me here all day....hehehe

    I'll reply to the new stuff after this.

    So, the answer to all three of you is that your concerns and your intriguing and wonderful insights can all be answered with one of two things, which amount to the same thing sort of...

    And yes ladies who know me, I'm about to begin beating THAT drum again...

    Collectives and Unions.

    When booby said there are two ways to go, she left out a VERY important third way which changed the entire face of business and altered the landscape for the workers in America in almost every major industry...

    Organized Labor...Unions...Collectives...etc. They completely re-shuffle the deck. They put the power in the hands of the worker. They put the wages within the hands of the worker. They put the seniority and respect for experience in the hands of workers.

    I think both a union and a collective (or several) can easily be implemented by those who cam. But people other than just lil' ol Bambalina need to step up and help organize it.

    So, the union would be one where it was informal and where there would be a collective bargaining mentality...but it would need to be BIG and it would need to have a lot of camgirls as members. Harder to implement than a collective.

    A collective could easily be done. In fact, I have a programmer right now who is willing to program a FULL MFC/SM quality camsite for us with whatever we want in it, for like $2500ish. We own it...fully...

    In other words, 50 camgirls, $50 each, and you have a full bigbox camsite, ready to launch...

    Made for Camgirls, with camgirl rules and pay that is absolutely fair...THAT would be quite the collective eh?

    But it has to be organized and escrow needs to be set up and so on....

    Either way, it would be a game changer to have a REAL collective...

    See, one other thing to be considered...is that if a truly cool site came along and rocked customers worlds and the women were joyfl to be there working, and the rules were fair for all and stuff...you'd be evolving and those who didn't evolve with you would get left behind and go extinct.

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    Ok...now to reply to the replies....

    Booby: I think some of the worst offenders are American girls not in studios. I DO however think it started with the studios and exactly what you just said, but it was immediately picked up and spread by the women who DON'T have real high camscores and stuff, and then when it got them a good camscore, the other girls with poor camscores do it and so on and so on and so on...I mean if you jump around ONLY the American, English and Aussie girls, who are generally not in studios, you see quite a bit of close-up vag, insertion, fuck-machine shows, shower shows (which I think are even OK) with full orgasms, or two girl lez shower shows or whatever...(which aren't). So now I think it's pretty across the board.

    Angel: I love you lady....you are clairvoyant and have darned good timing besides...

    The CamGirl Forum is up and running, but I don't advertise it here. It's in poor taste... PM me if you want more info...

    The Panty Site is DONE, and is being beta tested by a few lucky ladies from here who shall for the moment remain nameless....

    And the Indy Cam Site has been re-vamped, and now has a really seriously game changing component to it...wow...um, and it is being programmed as we speak and is now PAID FOR....So I think it will be under testing within like 2 weeks or so....seriously this time.

    Come to chat night this weekend to learn more...BIG announcements then I think...

    camjenivive: I do not consider the humanist angle to this when we are on a wide open forum which is read by people who are not even camgirls, much less camgirls who contribute nothing, hangers on, etc.

    I also don't consider A LOT of what is posted here "teaching them to fish" I consider it "giving them fish" and spoonfeeding it to them. That is my opinion and may be WRONG...But I stick to it. And I still say one would be better off to use a closed forum where verification of camgirl statuss is necessary, or a collective where all users benefit from any one learning something, or a union where the girls all follow a code of ethics and work for maximum wages and contracts that are fair. I mean, this is the only industry I know where we will humanist ourselves out of money and a job...It's just bad business, even for the girls we are trying to help, because the next batch we help will be hurting the chances of the batch we just helped and the next one after that will hurt THEIR chances and so on...not smart business...

    Otherwise, feel free to go back and read my posts about promotion, I think that was teaching to fish as opposed to giving away fish....

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    WOOOHOO! B STARTED A THREAD! high five. Will respond today sometime

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    Ok - not my thread and I am not good at math and logisitics. LOL!

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    "Adult sites like a cam site or this site or whatever, treat it as a business. If you are going to put out a shit effort, expect to make a shit profit. If you cannot treat is as a sure fire business and let every excuse in the way, expect your business to fail." - KitanaBlades

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    Ok, you guys are gonna keep me here all day....hehehe

    I'll reply to the new stuff after this.

    So, the answer to all three of you is that your concerns and your intriguing and wonderful insights can all be answered with one of two things, which amount to the same thing sort of...

    And yes ladies who know me, I'm about to begin beating THAT drum again...

    Collectives and Unions.

    When booby said there are two ways to go, she left out a VERY important third way which changed the entire face of business and altered the landscape for the workers in America in almost every major industry...

    Organized Labor...Unions...Collectives...etc. They completely re-shuffle the deck. They put the power in the hands of the worker. They put the wages within the hands of the worker. They put the seniority and respect for experience in the hands of workers.

    I think both a union and a collective (or several) can easily be implemented by those who cam. But people other than just lil' ol Bambalina need to step up and help organize it.

    So, the union would be one where it was informal and where there would be a collective bargaining mentality...but it would need to be BIG and it would need to have a lot of camgirls as members. Harder to implement than a collective.

    A collective could easily be done. In fact, I have a programmer right now who is willing to program a FULL MFC/SM quality camsite for us with whatever we want in it, for like $2500ish. We own it...fully...

    In other words, 50 camgirls, $50 each, and you have a full bigbox camsite, ready to launch...

    Made for Camgirls, with camgirl rules and pay that is absolutely fair...THAT would be quite the collective eh?

    But it has to be organized and escrow needs to be set up and so on....

    Either way, it would be a game changer to have a REAL collective...

    See, one other thing to be considered...is that if a truly cool site came along and rocked customers worlds and the women were joyfl to be there working, and the rules were fair for all and stuff...you'd be evolving and those who didn't evolve with you would get left behind and go extinct.

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    Yes, yes yes! I was going to mention the third way the union but work got in the way of my thoughts (i was going to mention it honest). I have spoken about this before (was on another of your threads Bamb).

    Collective bargaining could change the game. At the moment the cam sites use a 'divide and rule' policy - everyone is set up in competition with each other and the sites dictate what happens - which at the moment is basically anything - this is deliberate is drives the traffic. You feel you have no choice but to do the same as nameless, often faceless, huddled masses. A union where the means of production (i.e - us) is controlled by us not by them would completely change the game. Girls would flock to such a site meaning MFC and SM would be wastelands populated only by unfortunate Eastern European studio girls. The real quality would be in the collective and so the customers would go there because ultimately everyone instinctively knows you pay for what you get. An girl from and English speaking country will always do better than an non-English speaker given that all other things are equal (price, what she shows, quality of cam etc). Of course there are exceptions but the customers with real money come from English speaking countries.

    So i would see the collective as trying to corner the high end of the market (or mid to high end). There is a gap here - the race is to the bottom - there's lots of Fords, and Toyotas, and GMs but very few Rolls Royces, Ferraris and Aston Martins in the cam world at the moment.

    Bamb - i love your thinking. I would pay $100 (or more if it had already be proven to be successful) to be in on a site owned and run by cam girls. A site that could really take on the big boys and beat them at their own game. Sure it would take work and perserverance but anything worth having in life has to be worked for.

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    I find it kind of funny, that as experienced camgirls, this forum spends more time teaching about how to do stuff like attract tippers, get guys to tip more, get guys to hang out in your room (all important things, but all of which ultimately keep those guys from YOUR room) and less about how to NOT do full shows in free chat, and how to be part of the collective and so on...

    I mean those things would actually get things moving in the right direction.

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    Bambalina... I browsed a bit threw your posts.. ( wil read more after and post).. and I from what I can gather so far you would like to/are in the process to open your own site...
    PLEASE DO!!!
    With a few exceptions, most sites are total chaos !!! Too hard to browse and sign upm too hard to figure out whats what...( Ifriends, AdultWork, MFC, Livejasmin.. and others)
    I love structure. I love things to be organized , clear and EZ!

    the minute you step away/or try to add to the classic" Lets go private" and "Lets do a group" show" both models and members go insane trying to figure out how to scam each other..

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    Quote Originally Posted by boobygirl View Post

    Bamb - i love your thinking. I would pay $100 (or more if it had already be proven to be successful) to be in on a site owned and run by cam girls. A site that could really take on the big boys and beat them at their own game. Sure it would take work and perserverance but anything worth having in life has to be worked for.
    Ah but there lies the rub. Because there would be no guarantees, right? Fo this to truly work, a group of women would need to risk $100 each (as an example) and take the chance that it works.

    I would say, 100 shares, $100 each are available. each shore owns 1% and has one vote on the outcome and the way the camsite is built and run. In advance all shareholders agree that for at least the first year, the income for shareholders will be no more than 10% of profits, the first couple months, you do 5%... and that a minimum for 65% get paid out to the girls, 5% pay the moderators and site monitors, Hosting is covered, and EVERYTHING else goes for promotion (which would be ABOUT 15%). No other camsite could compete...since this one would be very close to "non-profit". The shareholders would work the site, and possibly get a bump in listings or something. If the site hit big and started pulling in several hundred thousand per week, it would be making the shareholders enough to live without working on anything else...but that wouldn't be the motivating force for the site, it would be creating the collective. So we don't want those who just want to invest $100 in hopes of making a million, we want those who are willing to invest $100 so there is truly a kick ass place for THEM and all other camgirls to work. A place that allows camgirls to say FUCK OFF to MFC and SM and LJ and have a place to still work while they are ON STRIKE for better treatment and following the rules and better pay.

    See? Now so hard....100 girls, $100 dollars, and it's done. And because I put my money where my mouth is, you'd only need 99 more girls. And I'd volunteer a private forum for shareholders only to discuss this.

    There ya go....

    B

    PS and the site can be built after the first 25 pay their $100...so only 24 left to go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    Ah but there lies the rub. Because there would be no guarantees, right? Fo this to truly work, a group of women would need to risk $100 each (as an example) and take the chance that it works.

    I would say, 100 shares, $100 each are available. each shore owns 1% and has one vote on the outcome and the way the camsite is built and run. In advance all shareholders agree that for at least the first year, the income for shareholders will be no more than 10% of profits, the first couple months, you do 5%... and that a minimum for 65% get paid out to the girls, 5% pay the moderators and site monitors, Hosting is covered, and EVERYTHING else goes for promotion (which would be ABOUT 15%). No other camsite could compete...since this one would be very close to "non-profit". The shareholders would work the site, and possibly get a bump in listings or something. If the site hit big and started pulling in several hundred thousand per week, it would be making the shareholders enough to live without working on anything else...but that wouldn't be the motivating force for the site, it would be creating the collective. So we don't want those who just want to invest $100 in hopes of making a million, we want those who are willing to invest $100 so there is truly a kick ass place for THEM and all other camgirls to work. A place that allows camgirls to say FUCK OFF to MFC and SM and LJ and have a place to still work while they are ON STRIKE for better treatment and following the rules and better pay.

    See? Now so hard....100 girls, $100 dollars, and it's done. And because I put my money where my mouth is, you'd only need 99 more girls. And I'd volunteer a private forum for shareholders only to discuss this.

    There ya go....

    B

    PS and the site can be built after the first 25 pay their $100...so only 24 left to go...
    Yeah sure - in life there are no guarantees but i for one think that in the current economic climate (both in the camming world and the world in general) we really have nothing to lose. Worst case scenario is we lose $50 or $100 - not exactly gonna break the bank and let's be honest some of the girls out there are probably losing that amount an hour with the way things are going.

    I'm all for it but it's not me you have to convince - it's the other 23 girls that you need to take a risk.

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained. She who dares, wins.

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    Gm Newbie here.. been reluctant to sign with any site thus far... I'd definitely pledge $100 and work the hell out of this!

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    So now we only need 22 to get a site. A site Owned by camgirls...I think I know at least 2 or 3 who might leap into this...we'll see...we might be closer than we think.

    One thing to remember, is that if you are not the kind of person who can do "decision by commitee" then don;t jump on this bandwagon, because it will screw things up. One has to be prepared to NOT get what they want, and to also be extremely flexible, especially for decisions to be reversed and altered.

    If something is decided and doesn't work, then there needs to be flexibility to change and adapt, or the site WILL fail.

    So, if yer all crazy and can't play nice...don't play. And don;t worry, non-share-holders can still be camgirls on the site, they just don;t get a vote or a percentage of the owners stuff.

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    count me in
    and bambilina, i think a new thread about it would be best

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    Count me in too! I'm setting aside my $100 right now.

    Yesterday i made SM $668 dollars and you gals know how little I got to keep. Fucking hell, that hurts!

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    I was editing and the whole thing got deleted ahh anyways I pm you bambalina)
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