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    1. I am on the smaller side of BBW. Most of the women placing 'BBW' ads I've seen on eros, TER, etc. are all much larger than me and I'm wondering if marketing myself as BBW is a good move or not. I've run into this dilemma on camsites as well -- BBW is a niche market, and understandably so, but I've seen little to no presence of 'smaller' BBWs. (For reference what I mean by smaller is 'chubby/overweight' by normal standards and 'skinny/small' by BBW standards... dress sizes 12-16 or 18 maybe? though that's a wonky standard) Is there a market for inbetweenies like me?

    2. I am building my escort site and curious as to how to make clear what my services are without explicitly stating such? I am aiming towards a mid-high-range price and image and so I don't want to put a laundry list of acronyms directly on my site... but I don't want to necessarily state it outright when a guy contacts me via email or phone, either (paranoid, been reading up on bust stories ). How do you ladies make clear that you don't offer certain services without explicitly stating it?

    Thanks, and a big thank you to everyone who's contributed to the wealth of information on this forum. I've spent several hours searching SW for info (being mostly an escort newbie) and investigating resources... thank you so much!

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    There is definitely a market for in betweenies If you are like 12 or 14 I would say you are more thick , depending on how you carry your weight and if you are 16 or above i'd say small bbw, plumper. The market obviously isn't as big for smaller women, so you are going to have to work harder for good customers. A lot of cheap fuckers think that they can get a cheap lay from a girl just because she is bigger. I know I'm pretty, I'm not a human fucking auction. Oh, my prices are too steep? See you later. I'd rather have a guy who is more respectable with money that can actually afford an escort( and they usually become regulars) than some cheap guy who will prolly be an asshole anyway. I'm not sure if there is a thread on here about websites or not, I'm bad at searching but I'm sure there is.
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    DottieMay covered it pretty well.. also the term curvacious or curvy would work well too. BBW definitely appeals to a guy who likes much bigger women, and would be disappointed to see that you are not...

    For services, definitely do not state or allude to anything specific, acronyms or otherwise, on your site, by phone, by email and not even in person...!!!

    What you *do* do, is make it clear by how you present and market yourself. Like, I am GFE, and the way I word my text is so that a guy knows Im there to treat him like the love of my life. For the PSE type, I notice they present themselves as more raunchy, wild, thrill, etc. Reviews help as well..even though I prefer a guy not be graphic in details, its pretty clear that Im like a girlfriend in all senses from their review. Other guys who are more detailed tend to answer the does she do xyz questions for you.

    Everything else is trial by error, while in the heat of the moment, a guy will either simply try, or ask if Im okay with something...I either physically redirect, or simply say yes or no and keep it moving.

    The only guys who will want or expect to know your list of services are either totally clueless and inexperienced, or LE. Im not newbie friendly, so I dont want to meet a guy that inexperienced anyway...and for sure I dont want to meet LE. So anyone who *needs* to know beforehand can go and have a date with someone else.

    Hope that helps!

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    I'm into a little of both so I usually say that I'm a sweet girl with a wild side or something along those lines, so they know that we can play it both ways.
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    Wow, I woud say that you haven't done much research at all.

    Because, I am a size 12.
    Was the 1st bbw to be a crossover and do all kind of sites.
    Was the 1st bbw to be the #1 for 10 years running.
    Over 20mag covers.
    Was the 1st bbw to be escorting or touring. Heck, Eros didn't even have a category for BBWs at the time.

    And when I started in porn 12 years ago, NOBODY on the web, magazines or DVDs looked like me. Yet, it didn't stop me.

    Guess you never know until you go out there and try.

    In the adult industry or the modeling world, anything over a size 8 is concidered a bbw.

    Men don't read. They see a person & either they are attracted to them or not. Who knows whether or not you will make money. Many men said they didn't even know they were attracted to bbws until they saw me on www.Bignaturals.com all those years ago.

    I dont know what you look like or how you interact with men. Those are the main determinates in how much money you will make.

    I have seen many gals of all different sizes on Eros in every city. Research would have shown you the very same thing. Obviously, they make some money because they have to pay for those ads.

    There are many things that go into any business that determines whether or not a person makes money. I would NEVER limit myself with niches. I go for it. So what if I am the 1st, someone had to be. Happy I had the guts to do it. I don't live life with regrets.

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    I resent you saying because we are bigger girls that we have to work harder to get good customers. NOT TRUE! I had great regulars. Even though I stopped escorting several years ago, they now are my best cam customers who keep me in prvt for long periods of time. I resent that kind of attitude.

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    Well...one thing I can say is that height/weight proportions to count for a lot, even with stating dress sizes. Personally, Im very tall...and me at a size 12 was nowhere near bbw. I would have been laughed out of dodge for describing myself that way.

    Without full measurements or photos, I cant really say...but just from the description and supposing research and comparisons between her body type and others, she does not feel she fits bbw, but knows theres a market for her inbetween there somewhere. Which I think is totally fine.

    I totally missed that about bbws or more curvacious ladies need to work harder. Actually, especially amongst escorts, Ive noticed that they command the same average rates and the reviews tend to be very good. Men love women in all shapes and sizes, and for sure there are not nearly as much larger women to choose from...so those who are, have a definite edge with the guys who love it.

    I would hate to see someone undercut themselves because they think they cannot get the same rates as anyone else. Much like I see with black providers...I always look to see what my competition is doing and it *suck sucks sucks* that black women generally have lower rates than anyone else. Makes my rates look high when in reality, they are on par with the market, so to speak. Definitely when like what they see, they will pay the rate to have it. Point blank.

    On a cam related note, a guy came into my chat and asked me where I was from. I said Florida. He then went on to say...you are very beautiful, but your other colleges in Africa charge much less than you. Im going to have to respectfully decline a private with you. Then before I could respond he left my chat.

    Left not only me but the other chatters in my room pretty bewildered...not only did I not offer or request a private from him...since when is Florida in Africa?! Aye! Anyway...Id hate to see that happen to the bbw market as well..in cam or escorting.

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    I'm sorry that you resent me saying that but the truth is, that a lot men out there in the escorting world are looking for fit and slim women. So I'm not saying you have to do more things and things you may not be comfortable with just because you are bigger but the market is just not out there like it is for the slimmer women. And I guess what I am saying is that it may take longer and more promoting to get yourself customers. And I do not lower my rates or standards just because I am bigger. I have respect for myself and I charge what I think I should get for my time. Pretty much all of my customers are faithful regulars and that is mainly because of my personality. I have a couple of people that we didn't click. I don't mix my cam and dating customers but I may consider it if I decided to stop escorting. And yea, maybe in the modeling world anything above a size 8 is considered bbw but I think that in the real world anything over 14 or 16 is BBW now. Maybe years ago a size 12 was but that is just not the case anymore, at least I don't think so.
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    No Dottie May I do resent you for saying bbws are a 2nd class not worthy.

    Hmmm, if I am not worthy. Then how come my pic is on the front page of www.BigNaturals.com (one of the biggest best porn sites on the web for 12 years) 7 times. It is there because my scenes selll. It has been on the front page of that site and many more for 10 to 12 years. Now, NOT many models skinny, young or whatever can brag about that.

    Guess Score Group put me on the covers & in the pages of their magazines for 12 years because men found this bbw unattractive.

    How come I was the Best Selling issue of GENT in 2006? When all the other gals were skinny with fake boobs?

    How come whenever I walk into any club been able to get the hottest motherfucker in there. Not wait in line, get into every VIP room for free. Had complete strangers walk up to me at a fine dinning resteraunt and pay for my dinner?

    Guess all that I have accomplished in the past 12 years in porn was due to men and the execs at these top companies having pity for me. Not due to me pulling in strong sells.

    Yes, guess The Score Group, PlumperPass, Evil Angel, Vivid, Bang Bros, Reality Kings, Lethal Hardcore, Channel 69 and Penthouse shot me because pity is what determines how they choose the girls they want to shoot.

    Why is it when most skinny fake boob young models careers only last 6 months I am still here 12 years later?

    Why do I have all the hottest Male porn stars asking companies to hire me so that they can have the chance to fuck me? Or even hiring me themselves for projects?

    Why is it I can get the owners number or have them call me within an hour of emailing any cam company on the web? And then getting a contract rewritten just for me, giving me a higher percentage?

    So Dottie explain to me THIS FAT ASS Bitch can do all that? I have a fat belly. I have a fat ass. Oh and these Big Fat Boobs of mine landed me on Manswers....

    What amazes me... How easy it was all to do.

    Landed my 1st magazine shoot with my 1st ever shoot.

    How silly is it that I am friends with or have dating the owners of the top porn companies. That the top directors are all in contact with me.

    This 2nd class bbw has accomplished more than most skinny young models can ever dream of.

    So Dottie, as long as any girls thinks of herself NOT good enough. Then she will never make money or accomplish anything NO matter what size she is.

    Until you GO FOR IT, you will never know.

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    Oh and Dottie, I was very successful as an escort.

    Ask your clients.. hehe and then listen to them rave about me.

    Yes, I am that sure.

    Oh, by-the-way those same cheap guys use the same exact lines on EVERY model to get pussy cheaper.

    Tricks are called tricks for a reason, because they are always trying to get more for less or nothing at all. Once had a guy argue that my price was to high once I arrived at his place. He got on the web. pulled up a page of young hot skinny girls escort page that stated they were all available for $100. I told him, to go ahead and call them. I would pay for the session is Heidi Klum, Vendella, Cindy Crawford showed up to fuck him for $100.

    I didn't fuck him and left with $200 cancellation fee for trying to con me.

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    I dont usually get into things that get heated but.... I totally dont see where she said BBW's are second class not worthy, or where she called you a fat ass. (like woah...) From what I understand through what I do see shes said, DottieMay herself is on the larger side, and was just talking from her own experiences.

    Totally lost too where you tell her to ask her clients about you....you have seen her clients? Are you in the same area or know each other personally?

    Im genuinely completely lost...I see a lot of anger and no clue where she personally insulted you... Unless she told you all of that stuff youre calling her out in this thread in PM?

    Just curious..cause I feel like I missed some chunks of the convo here!

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    Well, I think you are taking everything that I said completely out of context and I congratulate you for all your accomplishments and hard work. And I am in no way saying that you are unsuccessful. I would never say that anyone should think they aren't good enough, no matter how they look. That's just not the kind of person I am. And the only reason I made sure to mention those dickhead cheapasses IS because I don't want anyone to feel like they've undersold or HAVE to undersell themselves for one reason or another. Sorry that you took everything I said the wrong way.
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    I dont usually get into things that get heated but.... I totally dont see where she said BBW's are second class not worthy, or where she called you a fat ass. (like woah...) From what I understand through what I do see shes said, DottieMay herself is on the larger side, and was just talking from her own experiences.

    Totally lost too where you tell her to ask her clients about you....you have seen her clients? Are you in the same area or know each other personally?

    Im genuinely completely lost...I see a lot of anger and no clue where she personally insulted you... Unless she told you all of that stuff youre calling her out in this thread in PM?

    Just curious..cause I feel like I missed some chunks of the convo here!
    I'm not really sure why there is so much anger either?!? I don't generally PM anyone and really I'm a mellow person and don't like to get into anything heated as well. But I just want to defend what I am saying. I'm not telling the OP or anyone they are fatasses and there is no chance for them, cuz shit, if there wasn't ,I'd be broke as hell. I appreciate all people, skinny, fat, toothless, hairless. I don't give a shit. That's not the kind of person I am.I don't know her at all, not sure where she is from or anything. I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels lost in this convo here.
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    On the topic though...Holleyette, you can market yourself as BBW or not...I was looking around some today, and notice that a lot of larger women dont market themselves as such unless they are on the much larger range. But either way...your photos tell all..thats your biggest promotional tool.

    As long as your pics are current and show your assests a guy who loves your body type will book you in a heartbeat. There are guys that like spinners, guys that like the "average" girl, and guys that like something more to squeeze... Just represent yourself correctly in your pics and you will be *fiiine!*

    Also, that you are planning to go for mid-high range, presentation is really important. Right now, Im saving up to have professional photos done which will make a huge difference...just that having a polished look that professional pics give can move you from one bracket to another immediately and it will be even easier to get dates than with DIY photos.

    Your text, the way you word things, and how you "carry" yourself in your ads count for a lot too. Spell check! and put a lot of thought into the image you want these guys to see you in.

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    I am also saving up for professional photos. Mine aren't that bad because I go to school for photography lol But it's hard to get a great picture of yourself, when you have no idea what you look like on the other end. I have a couple of friends who are pros and probably would do it for free, but they are pretty conservative and I'd rather them NOT know what I am doing, so I will just bite the bullet on this one.
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    Yup I know what you mean...Im very used to taking pics of myself for cam and such, and I really like how they come out! But this is harder for me... Im used to showing face in cam pics, but for this, its body only no face. So Im trying to be creative with making it look good on my own and failing *miiiiserably!* lol

    I got a couple of references for here...one of them is 2 looks for $800, which is incredibly reasonable compared to some other rates Ive seen..and the pics do look amazing.

    Only trouble is..as soon as I have money in my hands, its to spend on something Ive already delegated it out to. *sigh* but I will put money away, cause I know with better pics, business will pick up big time.

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    Whoa I didn't mean to cause drama or offend anyone :X

    @Sam maybe I accidentally implied it but I didn't say anything about BBW escorts/cam girls/etc having a more difficult time with clients... it IS a niche market, that's just a fact, but I think a lot of escorts and models fit into a "niche category". I am 100% sure BBW escorts can be just as successful as other escorts. My question was honestly more from a marketing standpoint.

    Yes I have seen girls of different sizes but none really that look like me -- which is really an advantage as there isn't much competition

    Thanks for all the advice ladies, I really appreciate it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Wow, I woud say that you haven't done much research at all.

    Because, I am a size 12.
    Was the 1st bbw to be a crossover and do all kind of sites.
    Was the 1st bbw to be the #1 for 10 years running.
    Over 20mag covers.
    Was the 1st bbw to be escorting or touring. Heck, Eros didn't even have a category for BBWs at the time.

    And when I started in porn 12 years ago, NOBODY on the web, magazines or DVDs looked like me. Yet, it didn't stop me.

    Guess you never know until you go out there and try.

    In the adult industry or the modeling world, anything over a size 8 is concidered a bbw.

    Men don't read. They see a person & either they are attracted to them or not. Who knows whether or not you will make money. Many men said they didn't even know they were attracted to bbws until they saw me on www.Bignaturals.com all those years ago.

    I dont know what you look like or how you interact with men. Those are the main determinates in how much money you will make.

    I have seen many gals of all different sizes on Eros in every city. Research would have shown you the very same thing. Obviously, they make some money because they have to pay for those ads.

    There are many things that go into any business that determines whether or not a person makes money. I would NEVER limit myself with niches. I go for it. So what if I am the 1st, someone had to be. Happy I had the guts to do it. I don't live life with regrets.

    Good Luck,
    Sam
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    I resent you saying because we are bigger girls that we have to work harder to get good customers. NOT TRUE! I had great regulars. Even though I stopped escorting several years ago, they now are my best cam customers who keep me in prvt for long periods of time. I resent that kind of attitude.
    sam you not a size 12 you look more like a size 16 but you look good girl
    new to the cam world just here for some infotips

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    you are right most men dont like bbw escorts and bbw cam girls. they make the lease money, sam is just kidding herself. I seen sam in cam not putting her down but she is not a size 12 more like a size 16. sam you can tell us what ever well does not mean it is true. sam if this is true you wont be camming and making movies at your age you whould have be rich with a rich guy.IT is amazing that all these hot girls who are bitchy on this board can find a rich man but they care camming and escorting or dancing.

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    Well, I think you are taking everything that I said completely out of context and I congratulate you for all your accomplishments and hard work. And I am in no way saying that you are unsuccessful. I would never say that anyone should think they aren't good enough, no matter how they look. That's just not the kind of person I am. And the only reason I made sure to mention those dickhead cheapasses IS because I don't want anyone to feel like they've undersold or HAVE to undersell themselves for one reason or another. Sorry that you took everything I said the wrong way.
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