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    Default So what if the sex industry was actually biologically engrained into our DNA???

    Ok, this may seem far fetched and a bit obtuse for the average person but it is something I just thought of and decided to see what you ladies thought.

    So it is widely believed that prostitution was one of the first known professions of the world with all civilizations having documentation of its existence. So theoretically this is an attribute of our being which is engrained into our DNA, it was done in the very beginning and is still being done is some form or another today.

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    Just because prostitution may have existed in every civilization does not mean it is "engrained into our DNA." Our DNA merely lays out our potential (e.g. intelligence, height) and is really dependent upon environment (e.g. smoking in utero, malnutrition).

    Very few behaviours are thought to be "engrained" and these mostly include things such as a baby suckling on a mothers breast, and signs of flirtation. In other words, behaviours that are believed to make a huge impact on our ability to survive to be able to reproduce.

    If prostitution or stripping were really "engrained" then every women would prostitute and every man would visit prostitutes. Prostitution is more likely widespread because women in most cultures lack power, but they do have power of their own sexuality, and are willing to use it in exchange for resources.

    It is a form of economic exchange, we are not biologically engrained for prostitution any more that we are engrained to work on farms, in temples, or in offices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEE_K View Post
    Just because prostitution may have existed in every civilization does not mean it is "engrained into our DNA." Our DNA merely lays out our potential (e.g. intelligence, height) and is really dependent upon environment (e.g. smoking in utero, malnutrition).

    Very few behaviours are thought to be "engrained" and these mostly include things such as a baby suckling on a mothers breast, and signs of flirtation. In other words, behaviours that are believed to make a huge impact on our ability to survive to be able to reproduce.

    If prostitution or stripping were really "engrained" then every women would prostitute and every man would visit prostitutes. Prostitution is more likely widespread because women in most cultures lack power, but they do have power of their own sexuality, and are willing to use it in exchange for resources.

    It is a form of economic exchange, we are not biologically engrained for prostitution any more that we are engrained to work on farms, in temples, or in offices.

    I love your ideas, let me show you how what you said also goes with my opinions!

    For example:
    "Our DNA merely lays out our potential (e.g. intelligence, height)"
    -This works with my theory because for many women many many years ago prostitution was their only potential. They were most likely not raised in the quote "perfect" environment. They were victims to poverty, possibly neglect, and social sneering because of their socio economic status.

    "Very few behaviours are thought to be "engrained" and these mostly include things such as a baby suckling on a mothers breast, and signs of flirtation. In other words, behaviours that are believed to make a huge impact on our ability to survive to be able to reproduce".
    -Great point and specifically what I was referring to, women didn't participate in prostitution because they desired to, they did it for survival-for the survival of the fittest.

    "If prostitution or stripping were really "engrained" then every women would prostitute and every man would visit prostitutes. Prostitution is more likely widespread because women in most cultures lack power, but they do have power of their own sexuality, and are willing to use it in exchange for resources."
    -Morals are what stops the majority of people from doing the "wrong" thing opposed to the "right" thing. We do it because of authority. Because Big Brother is telling us what to do, think, and act. Some people with stand the evolution, just like in nature. Therefore, what has been engrained into our being has withstood the demise of cultural as a result of authority.

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    "It is a form of economic exchange, we are not biologically engrained for prostitution any more that we are engrained to work on farms, in temples, or in offices."
    -And you see we have engrained farming (survival) into our being because we've been doing it for the last 1000 years.

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    Default Re: So what if the sex industry was actually biologically engrained into our DNA???

    I disagree Sex is one of the biological drives of all living things--along with hunger, thirst, and shelter, if I remember correctly. Our bodies are wired to get it one way or another. Prostitution is simply an example of one group of people exploiting the biological need of another group in order to satisfy thier own needs. Female animals of many types give sex (and offspring) in order to get protection, shelter, food, and so forth from males. Humans do it all the time, in fact. The only difference between prostitution and certain kinds of marriages is in the obligations of the parties in question.


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    Default Re: So what if the sex industry was actually biologically engrained into our DNA???

    Tangential point, but I would love to see how prostitution evolves in the next few hundred years. Without reliable birth control, it was likely in the past that a prostitute would conceive children of men who would never financially support them. I think that it has become such a moral taboo because of the cost it accrued for the women, and in extension, the cost to any other family members who felt a financial obligation to them. The stigma, evolutionarily speaking, curtailed these financial burdens. Now that prostitutes can avoid conceiving these children (or can raise them as single mothers) I'm interested to see if the stigma gradually lifts. Maybe it will become a legitimate profession over time.

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    I'm sorry I may be a little rambling which may seem to be difficult to understand, but about prostitution being legal, in some areas it is legal but as to the stigma in those cultures I am very unaware of. I would also like to hear from some one that lives in an area where prostitution is legal and how the population of their area perceives the morality of sex workers.

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    it's been well-established that midwifery was the first profession. i'm not sure where this "hooking is natural" shit came from.

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    Default Re: So what if the sex industry was actually biologically engrained into our DNA???

    Quote Originally Posted by DEE_K View Post
    Just because prostitution may have existed in every civilization does not mean it is "engrained into our DNA." Our DNA merely lays out our potential (e.g. intelligence, height) and is really dependent upon environment (e.g. smoking in utero, malnutrition).
    This exactly. You could have the potential to be a really great detective because your genes gave you the ability to pay exceptional attention to detail, or a physicist because you're naturally good with numbers. But anybody is born with the potential to spread their legs and have sex. We didn't need to have it programmed into our DNA to figure out that we could do it for money. Sex is already biologically ingrained in us - specifically the act of charging money for it is not. It's not that prostitution is ingrained - it's survival that is ingrained, so women have always done what they need to do. Prostitution became the thing they did because, like I said, anybody can spread their legs. It was the easiest thing - not the ingrained thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UwishUknewhy View Post
    I love your ideas, let me show you how what you said also goes with my opinions!

    For example:
    "Our DNA merely lays out our potential (e.g. intelligence, height)"
    -This works with my theory because for many women many many years ago prostitution was their only potential. They were most likely not raised in the quote "perfect" environment. They were victims to poverty, possibly neglect, and social sneering because of their socio economic status.

    "Very few behaviours are thought to be "engrained" and these mostly include things such as a baby suckling on a mothers breast, and signs of flirtation. In other words, behaviours that are believed to make a huge impact on our ability to survive to be able to reproduce".
    -Great point and specifically what I was referring to, women didn't participate in prostitution because they desired to, they did it for survival-for the survival of the fittest.

    "If prostitution or stripping were really "engrained" then every women would prostitute and every man would visit prostitutes. Prostitution is more likely widespread because women in most cultures lack power, but they do have power of their own sexuality, and are willing to use it in exchange for resources."
    -Morals are what stops the majority of people from doing the "wrong" thing opposed to the "right" thing. We do it because of authority. Because Big Brother is telling us what to do, think, and act. Some people with stand the evolution, just like in nature. Therefore, what has been engrained into our being has withstood the demise of cultural as a result of authority.

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    "It is a form of economic exchange, we are not biologically engrained for prostitution any more that we are engrained to work on farms, in temples, or in offices."
    -And you see we have engrained farming (survival) into our being because we've been doing it for the last 1000 years.
    I understand what you are saying, yet I think you are misunderstanding how DNA relates to our behaviour. DNA "programs" things like our height, the colour of our eyes, and very very few innate behaviours. For instance, when we see someone we are very attracted to, our eyebrows rise slightly for a very brief period of time. This is genetic, every healthy person does it, and it is observed in several species.

    In order for a behaviour to be "engrained" it means that every single member of the species does it. You could argue that "marriage is like prostitution, an exchange of sex for benefits" but even then, not every woman gets married. Sometimes women who make lots of money support poor men (we've heard of it on this very forum) and where is the economic benefit to that woman?

    "Engrained" means we all do it and we can't help it. Prostitution happens frequently because there is a sex drive, and women who are willing to exploit it for financial gain. Morals don't play into DNA programming, if it was immoral to be tall, tall people still couldn't help it.

    Prostitution is a cultural phenomenon, it is a mix of the biological drive for sex mixed with a desire to obtain more resources. Until every woman does it without exception, it is not engrained.

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    Default Re: So what if the sex industry was actually biologically engrained into our DNA???

    I never bought the idea that prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. I always saw it as a slam against women, not a well documented fact. I think hunting/gathering is the worlds oldest profession. You're on Earth with vegetation you can gather to eat and critters you can hunt to eat. You don't need to have sex for food, it's all around you.
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    Default Re: So what if the sex industry was actually biologically engrained into our DNA???

    Survival of the fittest is ingrained in our DNA & that applies in any way to survive be it. Whether it be hunting & gathering or prostituting as society evolves.

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    well, the word profession suggests something that is not innate, which hunting and gathering is to a nomadic animal, which human beings are. which is why midwives were the first "professionals" because perfecting the art of childbirth is essential to the survival of our species.

    this "hooking is totally normal and it's always been around" shit is just a way for a patriarchal society to denigrate the worth of some women. it's akin to saying "throughout history, some women are simply worth less than others!" it's not a comment on hooking itself. it's a reflection of the madonna/whore dichotomy. it's a way of discrediting that women were the first medical professionals, that humanity would not have survived without the skillset of these women, that women were once held in positions of reverence as healers.....and now hooking is being argued as a genetic trait? girl, i get tired.



    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    I never bought the idea that prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. I always saw it as a slam against women, not a well documented fact. I think hunting/gathering is the worlds oldest profession. You're on Earth with vegetation you can gather to eat and critters you can hunt to eat. You don't need to have sex for food, it's all around you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    it's been well-established that midwifery was the first profession. i'm not sure where this "hooking is natural" shit came from.
    Thanks for your post, although I never said "hooking is natural", I am referring to the sex industry which does involve dancing!

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    I have nothing useful to contribute, except a joke I recall from my 9th grade Biology book...

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    I've only read the first few posts, but I feel there were signs all through my life that I would end up a stripper, or doing something similar. I'm sure this is from more than just the environment I was raised in.

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    Default Re: So what if the sex industry was actually biologically engrained into our DNA???

    I saw this thread when it was first posted, but I didn't have time to respond. I kept thinking about it, though. I am an Anthropology major, so for me it was an interesting idea to think about. I'm still early in my major and I'm definitely no expert, but here's my thoughts on this.

    DEE_K made a lot of really good points, and really hit the nail on the head regarding prostitution/sex work being cultural rather than engrained into our DNA.

    I would also like to point out that if you look at human evolution, prostitution doesn't make sense until relatively recently.
    Prostitution may be old, but it's not that old. Meaning in the grand scheme of our evolution, prostitution is something that would only make sense under very recent contexts.

    First of all, I'm having a hard time imagining what the female would get in exchange for sex in a setting before the development of complex culture and societies. There's no reason I can think of a female couldn't have aquired her own food and shelter, but for sake of the argument let's say a male had lots of food (or whatever) and the female wanted in on that.

    Without birth control, the woman would risk becoming pregnant every time she had sex in exchange for food/whatever.
    At first this might seem like it would be good for her fitness, since she would potentially be producing a lot of offspring. However, if she's copulating with a male purely for what he can give her (food) she risks producing offspring with less than desirable traits. Not only that, but while she is pregnant she is not available to have offspring by more desirable males. Consider the amount of energy it takes to carry a pregnancy to term, and the dangers of childbirth. Plus, as "we" evolved we became more and more altricial, meaning our offspring became more helpless with a longer development period. Whatever this hypothetical prehistoric prostitute ancestor hoped to gain she could probably just aquire herself without even breaking a sweat in comparison. The juice is just not worth the squeeze.

    Also, when you are putting that much effort into so few offspring, you want to make sure you are getting the best genes from the sexiest motherfucker you can find.
    I suppose you could argue that if the male has all this food/whatever then he's obviously doing something right and probably has some good genes so you probably want to do him anyway. But then that isn't prostitution, it's just mating.



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    Sex and sexuality are ingrained. Everything else is up to you as an individual.
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