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    Here we go again....................

    So I have my roughly 1000cc saline implants....for whatever reason one of them does not look right. (I don't think it's capsular contracture because it's always stayed completely soft and fluffy) I just had the doctor go in and fix it and now that the bandages are off it....looks exactly like it did. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

    To me, saline does not age well especially when you have basically no breast tissue covering it(like me). I was not planning on having these for the long haul. Being that I'm so unhappy with my breast I figure that maybe instead of waiting 5+ years to replace them I should just do it now.

    Cohesive gels are ideal to me because they are supposed to have a very long shelf life, I would love to have these only thing is I'd have to go to either South America, Asia or Europe to get them done and they would have to be custom made. This will be a very expensive undertaking, especially because I'll be ordering an extra implant.

    OR--I could have Dr. Pousti in San Diego give me an XL breast augmentation by extremely overfilling what I have now.

    I'm not sure which is the better option. I like the idea of cogels because of their longevity, and I like the idea of longevity since the kind of boobs I want are such a huge fucking run-around. MAJOR inconvenience.

    But with Pousti at least any sort of future maintenance would be simple because he's right here in my town.

    Maybe I should go with Pousti at least for the next few years?

    .............

    I ♥ my bigger boobs and they have brought me more $$$, downsizing is not an option.

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    Are you sure it looks weird? Maybe you are just being overly critical.

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    No trust me. This has been an ongoing issue for nearly a year now.

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    Oh and I meant to say that I'd rather not just try to get another revision on this breast by someone else because I don't think it makes sense to keep pumping $$$ into something that I was never planning on having too long. That's why I think it would make more sense financially to just get the new ones I was planning on getting eventually now.

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    Sorry you dont like them... I would go for the co gels if you really want them. My theory here is go for what you want now. What if you go to Pousti and then in another year decide you really did want those co gels? Thats yet another surgery. Thats assuming the co gels are what you wanted... if your not that fussed on them than why bother the trip and hassle.

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    Well that's the thing; I'm not sure if I want the trip and the hassle. The main reason I want co-gels is so they won't ripple more and lose volume over time like salines do --however-- if I have a doctor right here that is able to pump me back up again with extra saline should I start to ripple more in a few years I wouldn't have to worry about what I consider the long term negative aspects of salines.

    I think.

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    One option of course is to simply have your existing implants overfilled even more to perhaps 1300cc ... which will drive out any remaining implant bag wrinkles, and which will also establish enough firmness that the implant 'bag' shape will determine your breast shape ( as opposed to natural tissue etc.). This is relatively 'cheap' and 'easy' and 'quick'.

    Coming up with cohesive gel implants over 800cc or so will put you on a 'search and destroy' mission i.e. having a non-US based implant company produce custom sized implants ... then finding a non-US surgeon to put them in ( or travelling to Europe to pick up the implants, and attempt to bring them back through US customs yourself ). This WON'T be 'cheap', 'easy' or 'quick'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    One option of course is to simply have your existing implants overfilled even more to perhaps 1300cc ... which will drive out any remaining implant bag wrinkles, and which will also establish enough firmness that the implant 'bag' shape will determine your breast shape ( as opposed to natural tissue etc.). This is relatively 'cheap' and 'easy' and 'quick'.
    Exactly. Only thing is Dr. Pousti better not give me any BS about not wanting to overfill my implants because they didn't come from him, especially seeing as how his method of extreme overfilling voids warranties. Him doing that would to me expose him as a complete mercenary. If he won't work with mine he's losing a sale.

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    I just realized something: If I did go with the overseas option I can't order a spare because it would be illegal to bring it back to the US with me, I'd be transporting contraband. I could take the risk of hiding it in my suitcase but it's at least a several thousand dollar risk. No thanks. And I wonder too how willing a surgeon would be to hand over an implant to a patient....you don't hear about that often. I also imagine that it could be very hard to find a surgeon here that would be willing to work with the contraband.

    If I was allowed to buy a spare I wonder if I could open up a safety deposit box in that country and stash it in there....

    It sounds like too much work. Ultimately I would ♥ XL silicones or co-gels but it is waaaaay too complicated I think.

    I hope Dr. Pousti is willing to work with what I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinaida View Post
    I just realized something: If I did go with the overseas option I can't order a spare because it would be illegal to bring it back to the US with me, I'd be transporting contraband. I could take the risk of hiding it in my suitcase but it's at least a several thousand dollar risk. No thanks. And I wonder too how willing a surgeon would be to hand over an implant to a patient....you don't hear about that often. I also imagine that it could be very hard to find a surgeon here that would be willing to work with the contraband.

    If I was allowed to buy a spare I wonder if I could open up a safety deposit box in that country and stash it in there....

    It sounds like too much work. Ultimately I would ♥ XL silicones or co-gels but it is waaaaay too complicated I think.

    I hope Dr. Pousti is willing to work with what I have.
    In Asia if you gave them enough money they would hand over the implant to you. But it is something very big to hide in your suitcase. You could also mail it home to yourself. But I agree that I don't think any of the surgeons here would be willing to work with that. Co-gels are the shit though, they feel great too.

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    And if I got caught who knows what would happen.

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    If I were you I'd definitely find out if Pousti would work with your current implants that way you haven't spent too much.
    If you still don't like them then is the time to reconsider traveling abroad to get cohesives.

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    I know I won't like them. I already don't care for saline, and when they overfill them even more they're gonna be very very firm. I'm fine with that because size is what matters most to me, but IF I HAD A BETTER CHOICE AVAILABLE TO ME(Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!) I would choose something else. For once in my life I wish I wasn't tall, I wish the largest US size looked huge on me.

    ........

    I also don't want high profiles but doctors keep insisting I stick with them since my rib cage is narrow. But when I look at chicks like Melonie who have huge breasts I know that it's not exactly impossible to give me something with a diameter too large for my rib cage!

    ...........

    I definitely agree that the wisest option is to go with Dr. Pousti at this point in time. I'm calling his office tomorrow for a consultation.

    (I just realized the caps lock made it look like I was 'screaming' at CityChick, it wasn't directed at her I wasn't I was 'screaming' at myself!!)

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    I could be missing something - but didn't the FDA approve silicone co-gels in the U.S. in 2006? I just googled it, and it looks like they did. You have to be over 22 to get them, I believe, and I think they have/had a rule that it can't be your first breast augmentation. Other than that, I think you can get co-gels here.

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    Implants over 800ccs are illegal in the US.

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    ^ They dont do them in the sizes she wants in the US. They have to be custom made because they are so big

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinaida View Post
    I know I won't like them. I already don't care for saline, and when they overfill them even more they're gonna be very very firm. I'm fine with that because size is what matters most to me, but IF I HAD A BETTER CHOICE AVAILABLE TO ME(Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!) I would choose something else. For once in my life I wish I wasn't tall, I wish the largest US size looked huge on me.
    I know what you mean (I'm nearly 5'9)

    Ps: didn't notice the caps lol

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    Implants over 800ccs are illegal in the US.

    They have to be custom made because they are so big
    What actually happened was that the US FDA made a new ruling along with the 'legalization' of silicone implants. Since that new ruling, EVERY different model and size of breast implant must be fully tested to FDA standards in order to be legally 'used' in any US hospital, clinic, or private facility. Failure of those facilities to enforce FDA approval status puts the hospital, clinic, or private facility at risk of failing federal / state standards ( JACO ) as well as sending those facilities' medical malpractice insurance premiums into the stratosphere.

    When the new FDA standards came down, the implant manufacturers had to make a decision in regard to which models and sizes of implants were 'worth the investment' of spending $100,000+ to conduct the FDA testing. The implant companies basically decided that there was insufficient potential future sales volume / demand for implants over 800cc rating to justify spending $100,000+ on the testing in order to obtain FDA approval to sell them in the USA. In other words, while tens of thousands of housewives might choose 500cc implants, and thousands of housewives might choose 800cc implants, only a comparative handful of girls would choose 1500 cc implants ( yet the $100,000+ investment would be the same ).

    Back to Zin's issues ... first there is a problem finding a source for custom made 1500cc silicone implants. This will involve a European implant maker and a European doctor's prescription plus a 3 month wait while they are made to order. And once the 1500cc implants are ready, it will again involve a foreign doctor and a foreign medical facility to have them 'installed'. Even if she were somehow able to obtain 1500cc custom made implants and bring them back to the USA, no US medical facility would allow them to be 'installed' in their facility.

    From Zin's and my own perspective, this FDA ruling also essentially closed down the ability of new US 'huge boob' girls to compete in the world marketplace, and handed industry dominance to European girls like and

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    Does anyone know how much it costs just to order the custom silicones?? I pray to the stripper gods that it's not 5 figures. If Dr. Pousti doesn't work out I have to go to Europe....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinaida View Post
    Does anyone know how much it costs just to order the custom silicones?? I pray to the stripper gods that it's not 5 figures. If Dr. Pousti doesn't work out I have to go to Europe....
    In the UK it's just shy of £2000 ($3186) for 1500cc custom implants.

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    ^^^ that's probably for custom saline implants. Add a couple of thousand extra for custom silicones = $5000 a pair.

    next, the European implant manufacturer needs a European doctor's prescription in order to make the custom implants. That means going to Europe for an initial 'consult'.

    Providing things go OK at the consult and you can come to terms with the European surgeon, 3 months later you return to Europe after the custom implants are delivered and have your surgery.

    I would take a wild guess that two trips to Europe plus the surgeon / medical facility fees plus the cost of the custom implants themselves will set you back somewhere around US $15,000 - $20,000 these days ... depending on the exact Euro to US$ exchange rate in effect at the time, depending on how long you stay after your surgery for post-op, etc.

    On the flip side, for US dancers 1/3rd of that cost would be a direct tax write-off under the Chesty Love IRS letter ruling. And if the US dancer was willing to move herself and her new oversized implants to a city where club customers are known to be 'appreciative', she would probably increase her income coefficient to the point where the implant costs would be 'paid for' via additional income in a period of perhaps 6 months !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ that's probably for custom saline implants. Add a couple of thousand extra for custom silicones = $5000 a pair.

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    The one I posted is for custom silicones over here.
    Surgery with one of the renowned big boobie UK guys costs £3999 (up to 800cc)
    and £5900 ($9323) for up to and including 1500cc silicone gels.
    I have the dimensions and contact details of the doctor if anyone wants them.
    The waiting time is 3 months on the implants.

    Good point about the tax deduction for any US dancer travelling over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    What actually happened was that the US FDA made a new ruling along with the 'legalization' of silicone implants. Since that new ruling, EVERY different model and size of breast implant must be fully tested to FDA standards in order to be legally 'used' in any US hospital, clinic, or private facility. Failure of those facilities to enforce FDA approval status puts the hospital, clinic, or private facility at risk of failing federal / state standards ( JACO ) as well as sending those facilities' medical malpractice insurance premiums into the stratosphere.

    When the new FDA standards came down, the implant manufacturers had to make a decision in regard to which models and sizes of implants were 'worth the investment' of spending $100,000+ to conduct the FDA testing. The implant companies basically decided that there was insufficient potential future sales volume / demand for implants over 800cc rating to justify spending $100,000+ on the testing in order to obtain FDA approval to sell them in the USA. In other words, while tens of thousands of housewives might choose 500cc implants, and thousands of housewives might choose 800cc implants, only a comparative handful of girls would choose 1500 cc implants ( yet the $100,000+ investment would be the same ).
    Why did the FDA do this? Logic tells me that if one size is safe, all sizes should be safe, right? Is there a reason that this logic might be faulty and the FDA is correct in the way they did this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ that's probably for custom saline implants. Add a couple of thousand extra for custom silicones = $5000 a pair.

    next, the European implant manufacturer needs a European doctor's prescription in order to make the custom implants. That means going to Europe for an initial 'consult'.

    Providing things go OK at the consult and you can come to terms with the European surgeon, 3 months later you return to Europe after the custom implants are delivered and have your surgery.

    I would take a wild guess that two trips to Europe plus the surgeon / medical facility fees plus the cost of the custom implants themselves will set you back somewhere around US $15,000 - $20,000 these days ... depending on the exact Euro to US$ exchange rate in effect at the time, depending on how long you stay after your surgery for post-op, etc.

    On the flip side, for US dancers 1/3rd of that cost would be a direct tax write-off under the Chesty Love IRS letter ruling. And if the US dancer was willing to move herself and her new oversized implants to a city where club customers are known to be 'appreciative', she would probably increase her income coefficient to the point where the implant costs would be 'paid for' via additional income in a period of perhaps 6 months !

    I love Melonie's gentle nudging LOL

    Dr. Foster told me a long time ago that it was 5k just to order cogels from some factory outside of Paris. Citychick I'll definitely take any of his info!!! Is it Dr. Shiva Singh by any chance? Some British babes on another forum directed me to him.

    ETA I have a consultation with Dr. Pousti at 3pm on the 21st.

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    Why did the FDA do this? Logic tells me that if one size is safe, all sizes should be safe, right? Is there a reason that this logic might be faulty and the FDA is correct in the way they did this?
    It's actually indirectly connected to Obamacare ... which imposes a new tax on all medical devices, from breast implants to toothbrushes. Every medical device needs to have its own model number and its own FDA certification. Since every different size and style of implant in the manufacturer's catalog has a different model number, this means each different size and style of implant now requires its own FDA testing for certification to be 'legal' for sale and use in the USA.

    Prior to this new law, and prior to the official approval of silicone implants, 'experimental implants' were allowed - with the most common example being silicone implants used in 'supervised FDA studies'. Experimental implants were able to sidestep the model by model FDA testing and certification issue. But after silicone implants were officially approved, experimental implants were no longer permitted ... which 'dropped the axe' on custom sized implants, string implants etc. which had previously been able to sneak in under the experimental category.

    Where medical bureaucracy and especially gov't related medical bureaucracy is concerned, logic has absolutely nothing to do with it !!!

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