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    Default Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20079020.shtml

    I think in cases where the child is in danger of serious health risk..yes
    On 4th of July I saw so many obese children eating fried everything sucking down cherry flavored soda. The parents are the ones who are in control of what their kids eat. I do believe you are a kid only once & I do let my boys eat treats but they also know the definitions...fat, workout, cardio, health.

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    Default Re: Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    There should be intervention at some point. First step would be parenting/nutrition classes and such for parents. And if it gets to the point where its seriously harming the kids' health, they should probably be removed.

    As a parent, your priority is your kid's health and safety. If a 5 year old was smoking cigarettes, the parent would absolutely be arrested and the child would be taken away. But if they drink Mt. Dew and eat cheetoes and play video games all day, society tends to look the other way. Its amazing to me, I feel guilty letting my 4 year old have sugar-free koolaid... Its sad that these parents are just setting their kids up for problems later in life.

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    These people are neglecting to provide proper nutrition for their children, and aren't providing the kids with enough 'physical activity' time.
    A good parent would be seeking help when there young child was still <30 pounds over weight because they're clearly doing something wrong or there's some sort of problem... these people let their kids sometimes get HUNDREDS of pounds overweight... it's neglectful and they don't care enough for the well-being of their kids.

    Idk... I'd like to be optimistic and say "teaching these people proper nutrition will help!" But... I don't think it will in a lot of cases *where the parents are obese/overweight* and think that there's nothing wrong with them.
    Teaching these parents what to feed their kids is one thing... but unless overweight parents change their own lifestyle as well... it just won't work... "Mommy's going to have pizza and mountain dew, but you have this salad and water and then, okay?" isn't going to work.


    One of the examples provided in that link is disgusting. "I didn't have time to feed my kid, so I bought him fastfood." Even IF she really didn't have 2 minutes to heat up some oatmeal in the morning... or one hour a week to pre-prepare food so there were healthy meals available for reheating... there are take out salads and reasonable calorie fast foods.
    Bringing home your kid a burger because you're too tired to cook is one thing... bringing home your kid a burger, fries, and a soda when he's already overweight is neglect bordering abuse.
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    Default Re: Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    I was listening to this on Fox radio (not because I listen to fox but because I was channel surfing and heard them debating.)

    If you're starving your kid to death, CPS should step in.
    If you're feeding your kid to death, CPS should step in.

    Your kid isn't less malnourished because he or she weighs 400+ pounds-- they're not getting nutrition they need. They're getting tons of fat, sugar, and nasty chemicals. Essentially, they're being poisoned.

    I don't think this applies to overweight kids (though the pressure should be put on the parents to actually help the kids and not contribute to them gaining weight) but to morbidly obese ones, like the 3 year old mentioned on today's radio program who came into a doctor weighing 90 pounds?

    Um, yeah!

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    Absolutely yes. It makes me so sad, children really are at the mercy of their parents to make healthy choices for them. These parents are putting their children at risk for a multitude of health problems down the road, and they are robbing them of their self esteem. When these kids get into middle school they are more likely to be ostracized because of their weight and not participate in extra curricular activities. I hate to think about young kids being depressed and not having fun at school because their parents made them fat. My friend's mom is a speech therapist at an elementary school, and one of her students is 6 years old with a full set of dentures because his parents rotted out his baby teeth with soda. Horrifying! How is that not considered child abuse?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Unfortunately there is not nearly enough CPS workers to attend to cases like this. And foster families are not a better place for these children to be. In CA there were cuts made to the already bare bones CPS and everyday there were articles about children being found dead, tortured, or severely neglected and CPS either had no idea about it or the calls received on behalf of those children were deemed to trivial.
    Yes, exactly. I spent half of my childhood in foster homes, this is NOT what is going to help the children. No I don't think it is right for these parents to neglect their children and let them eat whatever when they are that overweight, its just sad. Throwing them into a foster home will probably just make it worse imo. There really are some good people out there that do care about the kids and I considered myself lucky when I got to live with an honest good family, only for a short time though. Far too many don't and just use and neglect the kid while getting the extra income from the state to do whatever with. In the 8 years I spent in foster care I was moved around to 14 different homes, most of the time having to switch schools so it was almost impossible to make friends and keep my grades up. My point is how can they expect the child to make progress in this kind of environment, this will just add more to the psychological toll these kids already deal with.

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    Default Re: Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    This is a good article on what really goes on

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    Default Re: Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    Agreed - I do think that there should be an intervention. The kid is NOT healthy when they are eating all junk food! If the parents are supporting/encouraging that ... the problem needs to be solved!!!
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    Default Re: Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    NO WAY!

    No, No, No, No, and No.

    The Government, the same one each of you ascribes all manner of incompetence to should no be taking children out of homes for being fat.

    Besides violating the Fourth, can you imagine the ways government would expand on this new found intrusive power? Do you want cameras in your homes like the UK? Would weekly approved purchases at the grocer bother you? Unannounced inspections of your pantry by Dept of Agriculture agents? Health and Cleanliness inspections by Agents from Health and Human Services. A parade of parasitic disinterested, poorly trained low level bureaucrats coming through your home on a weekly basis.

    No Government intrusions of this sort are not the answer.

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    Default Re: Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    My brother had a friend when he was growing up who was super obese. He couldn't even walk 20 feet down our driveway without gasping for air and wheezing at the end of it. His mom used to always joke about how her kid could eat a whole pack of hot dogs to himself, and they were like 7 or 8 then. His parents just let him eat what he wanted and never made him go and do anything. Plus, everything that was healthy for him, he refused to eat it. He is still super obese and eats almost compulsively. I feel bad for him but I don't see him making it to 30 without severe complications. He is an adult now but I think if his parents would have tried to guide him in a better direction he would be alot better off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Do you want cameras in your homes like the UK? Would weekly approved purchases at the grocer bother you? Unannounced inspections of your pantry by Dept of Agriculture agents? Health and Cleanliness inspections by Agents from Health and Human Services. A parade of parasitic disinterested, poorly trained low level bureaucrats coming through your home on a weekly basis.
    If I were killing my child with food and ignorance... I'd clearly need this level of supervision... because left to my own devices, I'd happily destroy my child's health.
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    Hmmm....maybe we need to come up with a way to encourage people who wouldn't be good parents NOT to breed.

    *free birth control
    *less bullshit about abortion (I love how a lot of people who are anti-abortion are also very vocal about being anti-welfare. Well guess what, folks, often people who would get abortions are the same people who can't afford to have kids. Guess who suffers? The kids and the government supporting them.)
    *no tax incentives for having kids.
    *stop making it mandatory child support unless there was a marriage or a legal union in place. If a woman couldn't afford to support a kid on her own, then she shouldn't be having kids-- What would happen if the dad died? She'd be on her own with no child support.
    Women have to take responsibility as well as the men which means don't breed with people you don't have a long-term bond with. I can understand suing for alimony and child support in certain situations after years-long bonds have been dissolved, but women getting knocked up by a man they've been casually dating for a few weeks or a few months and then deciding to keep it because they could always lean on him for child support is ludicrous. Don't get me wrong on this point-- single parents can make great parents. But a single parent who has to worry about the welfare of the child and financially supporting the whole household on their own is going to have a lot more going against them than a kid who hopefully has two parents helping raise him or her.

    Oh, and getting back to the topic of cheap crappy foods--
    I think we need to kick out high fructose corn syrup, and stop subsidizing corn.

    Here's a good article:
    http://st4tic.wordpress.com/2008/04/...food-industry/

    Also, did you know that when you eat or drink high fructose corn syrup it actually makes you want to eat more? Consider that whenever you want to pair a big soda with anything. And look at the ingredients on everything from bread to processed frozen food, and if you haven't already discovered this, you will be AMAZED at how much HFCS is in our food.

    I agree to a certain extent with some people's comments-- on the one hand, I think starving your kids is going to result in feeding them crap more quickly, so I can see how CPS would have to focus on abuse and starvation. But I do think when it comes to MORBIDLY OBESE children (not fat, not chubby, not overweight but MORBIDLY OBESE) parents shouldn't be given a pass from judgement about their parenting skills.

    Second-- we just don't have the funds. But what we can do is figure out how to limit welfare so people aren't popping out babies for more money, and slowly bring in money from that. Obviously, we'd need more money, but subsidizing big business has got to stop.

    In that way, the government's legislation is actually a pretty big contributor to being cash-strapped and nutrition-poor.

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    Default Re: Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    This is a tough topic to comment on.

    On one hand, I believe parents should be held accountable for the way they raise their children. This includes proper diet and exercise. On the other hand, we live in a society where most parents have to work multiple jobs to support their children. Not everyone can strip for $200-700 dollars a night.

    I struggle every week at the grocery store, deciding what we can and can not afford with our limited budget. Fresh produce is ridiculous! I could actually feed my family fast food for 1/3 of the cost of cooking meals. Not to mention the time I could save. I don't, but it's sad knowing that I could.

    What I want to know is why they are so quick to put obese children into foster care but turn a blind eye to the mother who births 5 'chiren' by the time she's 23, is living off our government, not working, etc.

    Totally off topic...My friend worked for a social services group that housed teenage moms whose families had kicked them out. Their was one girl with a 2 year old baby. Now, this baby was already screwed up by a mom who cared more about herself than her child. The girl got pregnant again. Instead of taking the newborn, or better yet, both children into custody, they only took the 2 year old and allowed the mom the keep the newborn. People adopt babies, not 2 year olds. Now, this little girl will probably grow up in foster care and the mom gets to screw up another child's life.

    Basically, I'm tired of our government intervening on topics that rarely support the greater good. Maybe if they took some of the money they spend on welfare and food stamps every year and give it families struggling to provide healthy meals for their children, we would have less obesity.

    I should probably stop there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    If I were killing my child with food and ignorance... I'd clearly need this level of supervision... because left to my own devices, I'd happily destroy my child's health.
    Well and good if you want to make that decision for yourself. Should you be making that decision for the family across the street? No.

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    Calls for a reform of the Department of Agriculture really.

    Why are we subsidizing tobacco and anti smoking campaigns?

    Why do we pay farmers not to farm? Why do we subsidize for export crops like rice?

    Lets pay those farmers to grow nourishing vegetables for low incomes and school lunches.

    As for Welfare?
    Pay a flat rate.
    Pay more money to couples than single parents.
    Birth control 5 year implants should be required.
    Change from the charge cards back to providing government supplied staples.
    dehydrated milk, oats, rice, cheese, peanut butter, sunflower oil, dehydrated eggs, baking powder, etc used to be provided by Government agencies. Then People cried "waste!" and now the government subsidizes corn syrup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Well and good if you want to make that decision for yourself. Should you be making that decision for the family across the street? No.
    Okay... so we'll just let the little girl across the street die because it's none of our business that her mother is killing her. Cool

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    Birth control 5 year implants should be required.
    How is me making that choice for the family across the street any different than your idea to force women to be on birth control. Should you be making that choice for them?

    What gives you the right to demand women be forced on birth control... which CAN KILL THEM?
    But no one else has the right to take a child away from a family that is killing him/her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    Okay... so we'll just let the little girl across the street die because it's none of our business that her mother is killing her. Cool
    Yes, because one upon a time there was a thing called "Parental Responsibility".

    Unfortunately, so many are abdicating their decision making to a governmental agency.

    Willing themselves into modern serfdom,and violent if forced to make up their own minds.

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    Default Re: Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    There's a difference between not knowing and not caring.

    If the parents don't know basic nutrition, how do you expect them to teach their children?


    I think hospitals should sponser a healthy eating seminar for both parents and children (and the doctors could recommend their patients go to those seminars) so at least nutritional information is made more available.


    If the parents know and don't care, then that's an issue of neglect or child endangerment. Then the CPS needs to be involved.

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    So basically, ARMY... you think we should just let people keep endangering and killing their children with no consequences until their parents decide to be responsible?
    Because people being able to make their own decisions is THAT IMPORTANT...

    But that women who need help should have no say in whether or not they're forced on birth control?
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    I think it's child abuse but hate the idea of taking away kids from otherwise loving parents. However, if the parents are on welfare food stamps should NOT be allowed for junk food. They should be encouraged to eat healthy.

    Quite frankly I am disgusted with all the fat people in general and fat kids in particular. I am 40 but when I was a child there weren't many fat kids. Why? because we were outside playing. Oh sure my parents would pick up McDonalds maybe once a week but not everyday.

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    Fuck no it's absolutely ridiculous. Being overweight is not the only indication of being unhealthy. I ate tons of sugary foods and fast food growing up but I was lucky that I had a high metabolism.

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    Default Re: Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    I don't think that's the right way to go.

    Taking the kids away isn't going to help in the run. It's a short term solution. What really needs to change is the way Americans, in general, eat. Our society is focused on immediate gratification and this is applied to food as well. We want our food quickly and frequently eat on the go. Whenever I travel, people sit down and eat, even an ice cream cone. They don't walk and eat. They also take the time to prepare healthy meals, and know what is healthy and unhealthy. Americans seem to not know, not care, or are so innundated with Information they become confused or give up.

    I think if our so country spent some real time and money into real-world straightforward nutrition education without worrying about lobbyists, we wouldn't all be so fat. And neither would the kids. Maybe I'm an idealist, but there's my 2 cents.
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    Default Re: Should parents lose custody of super obese children?

    We're not talking FAT, we're talking about morbidly obese. It doesn't take much education to know if you are hundred pounds over weight that there is a problem, especially with children. I don't think a child will die from being away from their parents while they lose weight but a child will die from being morbidly obese & it is a choice. There really isn't an easy answer but responsibility falls on the parents for their 300lb preteen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    So basically, ARMY... you think we should just let people keep endangering and killing their children with no consequences until their parents decide to be responsible?
    Because people being able to make their own decisions is THAT IMPORTANT...
    Yes, People in particular and parents especially bear the complete responsibility. For the bad with the good.

    The child has a home and is certainly well fed. To tear them out of it and into an dysfunctional institutional system with a vague "it will be better this way" because fat people make us angry. Because we are not all hollwood size zeros.

    No way.


    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    But that women should have no say in whether or not they're forced on birth control?
    In context, with welfare. Accept the Welfare check and one must submit to the BC implant. The enticement for the individual is the entitlement money, but for the health of the community, the individual will not be bringing more children into an already hopeless situation. The woman can decline and there are many philanthropic organizations to help out not just Governmental ones. It's choice.

    The idea is to develop tools, attitudes, and incentives to get the person out to be self sufficient Citizens, not to make them dependent on an entitlement program that supports the Welfare worker just as much.

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    I think the whole family should go into court ordered nutrition and health counseling with supervised result records before anything.

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