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    the other night i did a 2 hour champagne room with a group of 3 guys and 2 other girls. within the first 10 mins they were both in their gstrings and grinding the guys. my guy and i were just talking, i was still dressed. i spent almost the whole first hour still dressed with minimal dancing, they were kissing each other. then they, along with their custies, were saying i was still dressed and they wouldnt do the second hour if i didnt atleast take my top off. keep in mind my custies didnt mind the fact that i wasnt acting like them. i finally just blocked them out because i no longer wanted to be associated with the way they were behaving. anyway point is im pretty sure they would have kept going if the other girls wouldnt have 'gave' it all away so quickly. and i also found out after it was too late that one of them agreed to meet up with them after work, but was just lying. she does this often. when we got to the dr i told them they didnt have to act ike that or kiss each other to make money. and i told them to never try to peer pressure me into 'partying' with them. they dont seem to understand that not being lady like and not telling people they will meet them after work means in their guys mind, 'why should we buy more cr time, if we can get it and probably more for free'. i dont want to come off to them as bitchy or bossy, and i dont want to get them in trouble with management. but i truly feel there was more money to be made, and they messed that up for all of us. what would you guys do?

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    yall will find anything to be mad about.
    -don't agree to group champagne rooms if peer pressure makes you uncomfortable. peer pressure is something that happens when people are in groups.
    -don't agree to group champagne rooms if your comfort level is drastically different than that of the other dancers who will be in the room with you.
    -don't call other dancers "trashy". it isn't "ladylike".
    -make your money and move on. maybe you could've made more money off those dudes, but unless they were the only customers in the club, you could've wrapped up the champagne room and continued making money without doing group champagne rooms since that obviously isn't working out....

    don't complicate work. dancing does not have to be so complex. it can really just be you taking men's money and going the fuck home. life is beautiful when you stop complicating shit.
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    what would you guys do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    life is beautiful when you stop complicating shit.
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    And this is why I work alone -_-
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    unless it is illegal in your area, i dont understand why you are on your high horse about taking your top off in the CR. it is a strip club after all. i dont think it makes a stripper "classier" than other strippers if she does not get as undressed in the CR as they do (provided all is within the rules that is).

    the kissing and stuff, whatever, roll your eyes, collect your cash... if its against the rules maybe sell the next hour, take a bathroom break and tell the vip host to walk in on them and fire them.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    the kissing and stuff, whatever, roll your eyes, collect your cash... if its against the rules maybe sell the next hour, take a bathroom break and tell the vip host to walk in on them and fire them.
    Haha I would love to do this! May be a bit underhanded, but a great way to end some extras.

    Then again, I am a bit bitter towards most dancers right now...ever since my ring got stolen I am like on a rampage to get rid of all dirty extras thieving nasty girls.

    But back to the point-if you don't like working with those girls, but still want to make money and you HAVE to work with them, I would just talk to the girls you are working with ahead of time, and tell what you are and are not comfortable with. That's really all you can do. You can't force girls to behave in a way you find appropriate.
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    [quote=papillonluvr;2165215]Haha I would love to do this! May be a bit underhanded, but a great way to end some extras.

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    its underhanded but so are doing extras, especially for the same price as non-extras. id prefer to keep th riff raff out.

    but idk why the op is being super critical of the girls stripping down to their g strings and grinding within 10 minutes. im tired of all these strippers on their fucking high horse about what they do. unless that is an extra in your area, get over yourself.

    btw im sorry about your ring. that sucks .
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    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    I dont get why it took an hour for you to take your clothes off so I can see why the customers might be annoyed with that. I would be annoyed with what the other girls where doing though. I personally wouldnt say anything and just not do shows with them again.

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    they probably have someone advising them to behave this way. telling them different won't do you any good. you're not the one taking their money and using a very small portion of it to pay their bills.

    the manager probably already knows, but athena's suggestion is worth trying. do what works for you, and make sure you're able to move away or quit dancing if this stuff becomes standard there and kills your money.
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    I don't see why you would get upset about the girls stripping. They are "strippers" after all.

    The kissing and the peer pressure probably would have irritated me, but I would just make mental note to avoid working with them. If we did end up in a champagne room together again, I'd just do my thing and let them do theirs.

    It's possible that the customers would have renewed had they not given it up so quickly, but it's also possible that they would have renewed if you had given up a little bit more. Maybe your guy was just too passive to say "Hey, I'm paying all this money, so lemme see them titties."
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    I think I would have just joked with the girls to get them to stop focusing on my hustle and re-focus on theirs. I generally don't work with girls who have a different hustle because it's not worth the hassle. If she has a great personality but is waaay more physical, I'll do a 2 on 1 VIP. If it's couples I'll suggest my guy get a separate room so we don't have to watch them. I prefer he watch me and I've found my longer VIP sessions have only happened when we've had a lot of conversation and joking not a lot of physical interaction.

    Good job stickin to your hustle and keeping a VIP with conversation! Great start!
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    I just want to clarify, although i guess it sounded that way, im not being on my high horse about the grinding and stripping. i really was just trying to paint a picture of the situation. anyway, my particular customer was more about the conversation than the dancing. he told me what he liked and what he wanted. he just wanted to talk, me sit on his lap, and massage my back and neck a little between the dancing. i really didnt pay the others much attention, focusing my attention on my custie. they just kinda kept rudely butting in, and thats what i didnt care for. if u are doing your thing and your guys is entertained, and someone else is doing their thing and their guy is happy, why do that? as far as the kissing goes, that is illegal here. for gods sake if we just touch our boobs on stage, that is considered an illegal 'sexual act'. grinding happens, but we are strongley urged not to. if we dont have pasties and the pd or an undercover comes in, that is a charge of soliciation and a $500 fine. as far as not doing a cr with them again, i dont really have a choice. the club makes no money off our dances, just off of dancers conversational cocktails, champagne, and liqour sales. if it turns out i end up in a group with them, i must accept the bottle or i get fired. our club is small, so we only have one cr. we can do cr time in the dance booths, but thats not quite as appealing to the customer. i think im just going to tell them that i never told them what to do or butted in, and i would appreciate the same respect. and as far as the kissing, maybe remind them that they could get in alot of trouble if they got caught. and doing 'illegal' stuff can cost us all money. i dont know that they were doing any extras, so im not going to say they were. who knows, i tried not to take the focus off my customer.

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    * and i guess i should have made it more clear that the pressuring included trying to get me to jump into their little kissing orgy. and also speaking for me and telling the other guys that we all would go out after work. (she tells custies that all the time and stands them up, which has pissed a few men off, i know she doesnt unless her husband drops her off)

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    then you shouldn't have been in the same room as them.

    illegal? don't do a room with them.
    makes you uncomfortable? don't do a room with them.

    solution? don't do a room with them.

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    Wasn't there a part in there where she said that she can't turn down CRs or she'll lose her job and that they're all pretty much groups? :/

    My (rookie) solution: Start looking into other clubs where you can hustle individually. This doesn't sound like a game you can win at if you stay.

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    ah, mmhmm, i see the situation you're in now that i actually read the post haha.

    forgive me. the proper solution is to get the fuck out of alabama.

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    are you very new to dancing? i remember dancers shouting about "yeah we'll totally go on your boat tomorrow" and me thinking, "what the fuck kind of foolishness...."

    you will learn ways to distract from that. i swear, dancing is not as complicated as it seems the first year. or two. or three. it just starts to get to a point where you could essentially keep your ipod headphones on and still sell and have the same conversations because it's so...just you going with the flow.

    if you can't find a new club where they aren't threatening you with bullshit (ie. you must do this as an independent contractor or your contract will be cancelled), you will find a way to make the best of it, to get along with these ladies, and to find a good balance for you. everything will work out. no worries, dear.

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    * and i guess i should have made it more clear that the pressuring included trying to get me to jump into their little kissing orgy. and also speaking for me and telling the other guys that we all would go out after work. (she tells custies that all the time and stands them up, which has pissed a few men off, i know she doesnt unless her husband drops her off)

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    hmmm ya with the extra info I can really see how thatd be annoying. I still dont think talking to her will help. If another girl tried to tell me how to do my job (even if I was doing the wrong thing) I probably wouldnt listen. Maybe you could just tell her that you dont want to break laws, so dont bother asking you, especially in front of customers. That why your not really telling her what to do, just not to include you in her bull shit.

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    Im not new to dancing, but i have been out since i got preggers with my twins. they just turned 2. the club has change alot, when i started we had a few veterans there and a house mom to help guide this sort of thing. out of all the clubs here, ours is doing the best money wise. unfortunatly im not in a good position to move away right now. being the slow season we r kinda forced to work in groups from time to time, or we wouldnt make $. im still doing well, staying consistent at the top. i prefer to work with the other top girl as much as possible, because she has danced for 6 years straight and we understand each others boundaries. we did a 3 hour cr last week together, and had a great time. i did talk to the girls tonight and i think they atleast understand how i felt, and will hopefully remember. o and yes i did say earlier if we turn down a bottle we get fired, so turning it down isnt an option.

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    ah, mmhmm, i see the situation you're in now that i actually read the post haha.

    forgive me. the proper solution is to get the fuck out of alabama.
    I concur. LOL..... I can only imagine what it would be like stripping in Alabama....
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    oh okay.
    i have noticed this issue of "new dancers who don't act right" and i'm not sure how to address it.
    i mean, you see on this board how much pro-dirty hustle sentiment there is. so, yes, things have changed and i'm not sure when new dancers will either get it together or get the fuck out.

    i do think that the simple presence of older dancers who are not acting a fool helps. it kind of shows that "see? i am not acting like a jackass and i am making plenty of money. you can do it too!"

    i think a lot of the time, they simply don't know what the fuck they're doing and are acting obnoxious because they think that obnoxious = increase likelihood of a dance.

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    Im not new to dancing, but i have been out since i got preggers with my twins. they just turned 2. the club has change alot, when i started we had a few veterans there and a house mom to help guide this sort of thing. out of all the clubs here, ours is doing the best money wise. unfortunatly im not in a good position to move away right now. being the slow season we r kinda forced to work in groups from time to time, or we wouldnt make $. im still doing well, staying consistent at the top. i prefer to work with the other top girl as much as possible, because she has danced for 6 years straight and we understand each others boundaries. we did a 3 hour cr last week together, and had a great time. i did talk to the girls tonight and i think they atleast understand how i felt, and will hopefully remember. o and yes i did say earlier if we turn down a bottle we get fired, so turning it down isnt an option.

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    To the OP: some girls can be so rude. Honestly if your not comfortable working with the other gis or doing what they do don't do it. Don't feel bad if you take things slow in a cr, just don't do group rooms. I hate working a room with another girl, I'm more a one on one type of person. Just do u and fuck what anyone else says girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    unless it is illegal in your area, i dont understand why you are on your high horse about taking your top off in the CR. it is a strip club after all. i dont think it makes a stripper "classier" than other strippers if she does not get as undressed in the CR as they do (provided all is within the rules that is).

    the kissing and stuff, whatever, roll your eyes, collect your cash... if its against the rules maybe sell the next hour, take a bathroom break and tell the vip host to walk in on them and fire them.


    It is good to "hold out" and not jump straight into just a g-string. Anticipation is so underrated. It is what this business is built on. or what it used to be built on.

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    ^^we each have our own style. like i said, get off you high horse about your style being classier or wahtever than other girls assuming no rules are being broken. im a clean dancer who spends most my time in my g string during a CR and who makes more money than most girls.

    respect other girls styles... the oter girls making out and asking the OP to join in is a no no, but im tired of girls on here acting like the strip clubs are fucking nunneries. The best stripper is the one who walks home withthe most money with out breaking the rules and without losing their mind, whether the girl decides to remain clothed in the CR or not is irrelvant.
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    ^^we each have our own style. like i said, get off you high horse about your style being classier or wahtever than other girls assuming no rules are being broken. im a clean dancer who spends most my time in my g string during a CR and who makes more money than most girls.

    respect other girls styles... the oter girls making out and asking the OP to join in is a no no, but im tired of girls on here acting like the strip clubs are fucking nunneries. The best stripper is the one who walks home withthe most money with out breaking the rules and without losing their mind, whether the girl decides to remain clothed in the CR or not is irrelvant.

    I get ur point. However, I do not agree. I like being on my high horse and I will stay there. I am happy for u that u r a clean dancer who makes more money than most dancers. Which is prolly bc ur body is amazing, ur really pretty, plus u r a good hustler.

    Sometimes i think it is good to hold back. I feel men need to "earn" the right to see more with the addition of money. The way I see it if u strip right down to a g string u rnt making the customer fork over more money to see more. But that is solely my own opinion. No one else has to agree.

    I come from a different era of dancing as well. All u had to do when I started dancing was get on a runway smile and regulars actually flocked to u and threw lots of money down. It isnt like that now. People expect so much more for so much less.

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