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    Fact is if you DonT like how a company operates, then Do NOT work for them.

    NO ONE is being raped here. NO one is being forced to sign these contracts.

    A girl can stick 3 dildos in her ass, doesnt mean a single finger will even go into mine on cam.

    I Do NOT do public shows, I still make money. I do NOT diss on other models doing it either.
    I still have plenty of men in my rooms. I still have plenty of paying customers.

    It is a free market. You can chose to work for whatever cam company you want to or even be an independent and work to get your own traffic.

    As in porn there are girls willing to do dp, anal, gang bangs and then there are girls who will only model topless. The market determines if they will make money or not. Looks, personality, ability to come across the camera and karisma determine whether or not they made money.

    YOu control your room. Beggars can be kicked out or banned. I dont let beggars run my room or what I do in public chat. They can tell me to stand on my head and sing the national anthem doesn't mean I will ever do it. Yet some gals might.

    I debated a long time of whether or not to work for MFC. Now, I love it. If you don't like it. Quit. Do something else.

    Any of you can become independent cam gals, I have seen many threads here on how to do it. Stop bitching and go do it on your own if you don't like MFC.

    I am a 42 year old fat ass BBW. Still I make money.

    You can blame the system but it maybe your looks, your personality, your shows that keeps you from making money on that site. I personally had to change the way I cammed from how I did it in the past to make money on there. Can't treat MFC like you do other cam sites. It is a different animal.

    There are high dollar escorts, then there are cheap ass crack whores. They all sell pussy. Still that market since the beginning of time still pretty much works the same way. There are some men willing to pay big money to a pretty gal who will do very little for it then there is a cheap ass driving down a street demanding anal condomless sex for $20. Both can make $1000 a day. Pretty gal who is smart will only have to fuck one guy, the other will have to alot more men for it.

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    Don't sign the contract. It is that easy. Well... when you watch these trainwrecks of celebrities and musicians.. remember... they signed that contract. The contract of hell. Contract of control. Now they are not only expected to be an artist.. but they are also expected to be a product.. and a damn good salesman, and if they aren't.. then they disappear. Sometimes, we are only artists. To think of yourself as only an artist limits you.


    So, we need to become 'power players'. Which means.. we have to work our asses off for virtually nothing until we get enough recognition as a 'power player' and then we can finally get that extra 5% of income? Null. Rule #1 in any business is sales! Seems that you are afraid of work. Because when I do marketing I increase my sales by more than 5%.

    Cam companies (like any other government entity) want cam girls who are willing to work hard as hell, for just enough money to keep them coming back, so the real money can be made by the *owner*.. owner. You don't own you. They own you. They own you. Regardless of how smart, sexy, and educated you are. You are fucking owned.
    I make more than just enough money. But I work hard on marketing so that when I do cam I make the most out of my time.

    If you dont want to put the time,money, energy, knowledge into building up your own cam site, getting traffic, dealing with chargeback and money launders. Then a 50/50 split is fair.

    "We have a single system, and in that system the only question is the price at which the proletariat is to be bought and sold, the bread and circuses.""The whole fabric of society will go to wrack if we really lay hands of reform on our rotten institutions. From top to bottom the whole system is a fraud, all of us know it, laborers and capitalists alike, and all of us are consenting parties to it." -- Henry Adams[/quote]

    If you think it is all a fraud. Then do something else. As if working a regular job is any different. Go work at a drug store, Walmart, gas station and make $250 a week. Go make what I do in a day or more for less than 4 hours of my time.

    "Things may come to those who wait, but only what is leftover by the hustlers." Abraham Lincoln

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    Since when are pictures of kids are allowed on MFC profile? I saw it and was like WTF!!! Or did I miss a memo? http://profiles.myfreecams.com/Divineme

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Don't sign the contract. It is that easy. Well... when you watch these trainwrecks of celebrities and musicians.. remember... they signed that contract. The contract of hell. Contract of control. Now they are not only expected to be an artist.. but they are also expected to be a product.. and a damn good salesman, and if they aren't.. then they disappear. Sometimes, we are only artists. To think of yourself as only an artist limits you.


    So, we need to become 'power players'. Which means.. we have to work our asses off for virtually nothing until we get enough recognition as a 'power player' and then we can finally get that extra 5% of income? Null. Rule #1 in any business is sales! Seems that you are afraid of work. Because when I do marketing I increase my sales by more than 5%.

    Cam companies (like any other government entity) want cam girls who are willing to work hard as hell, for just enough money to keep them coming back, so the real money can be made by the *owner*.. owner. You don't own you. They own you. They own you. Regardless of how smart, sexy, and educated you are. You are fucking owned.
    I make more than just enough money. But I work hard on marketing so that when I do cam I make the most out of my time.

    If you dont want to put the time,money, energy, knowledge into building up your own cam site, getting traffic, dealing with chargeback and money launders. Then a 50/50 split is fair.

    "We have a single system, and in that system the only question is the price at which the proletariat is to be bought and sold, the bread and circuses.""The whole fabric of society will go to wrack if we really lay hands of reform on our rotten institutions. From top to bottom the whole system is a fraud, all of us know it, laborers and capitalists alike, and all of us are consenting parties to it." -- Henry Adams
    If you think it is all a fraud. Then do something else. As if working a regular job is any different. Go work at a drug store, Walmart, gas station and make $250 a week. Go make what I do in a day or more for less than 4 hours of my time.

    "Things may come to those who wait, but only what is leftover by the hustlers." Abraham Lincoln

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    Sam..I see and respect your point...I agree if you work hard in marketing you will get business but for the contract we signed I signed a contract that i was fine with..its the fact that i feel that I came to this site thinking it was ok BECAUSE of the the strict rules...Good for you for getting your businiss and doing well..I hope in 6 mos to a year i can be like you..But you have to agree that a few years ago it wasnt like this..Im thinking big picture about this petition..if they allow this stuff now what will they allow in a few years? thats our point! If you disagree fine.. but I want those that do agree to speak up and sign the petition! It only takes 30 secs..Lets set the Standard now!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Fact is if you DonT like how a company operates, then Do NOT work for them.

    NO ONE is being raped here. NO one is being forced to sign these contracts.

    A girl can stick 3 dildos in her ass, doesnt mean a single finger will even go into mine on cam.

    I Do NOT do public shows, I still make money. I do NOT diss on other models doing it either.
    I still have plenty of men in my rooms. I still have plenty of paying customers.

    It is a free market. You can chose to work for whatever cam company you want to or even be an independent and work to get your own traffic.

    As in porn there are girls willing to do dp, anal, gang bangs and then there are girls who will only model topless. The market determines if they will make money or not. Looks, personality, ability to come across the camera and karisma determine whether or not they made money.

    YOu control your room. Beggars can be kicked out or banned. I dont let beggars run my room or what I do in public chat. They can tell me to stand on my head and sing the national anthem doesn't mean I will ever do it. Yet some gals might.

    I debated a long time of whether or not to work for MFC. Now, I love it. If you don't like it. Quit. Do something else.

    Any of you can become independent cam gals, I have seen many threads here on how to do it. Stop bitching and go do it on your own if you don't like MFC.

    I am a 42 year old fat ass BBW. Still I make money.

    You can blame the system but it maybe your looks, your personality, your shows that keeps you from making money on that site. I personally had to change the way I cammed from how I did it in the past to make money on there. Can't treat MFC like you do other cam sites. It is a different animal.

    There are high dollar escorts, then there are cheap ass crack whores. They all sell pussy. Still that market since the beginning of time still pretty much works the same way. There are some men willing to pay big money to a pretty gal who will do very little for it then there is a cheap ass driving down a street demanding anal condomless sex for $20. Both can make $1000 a day. Pretty gal who is smart will only have to fuck one guy, the other will have to alot more men for it.

    Sam

    Sam

    Yes Sam.. we are being raped. Any time someone takes more than 15% of YOUR money that you are making off of YOUR body.. it's rape.. pimp.. whatever term you would like to use.

    Yea, there are SOME guys willing to pay without a problem, and do have a problem with the shitty morality of some of these girls. Um.. but the numbers are about 1 in 1000.. if it's even that good. So, make the guys that aren't paying fucking PAY! It's really that simple. Of course MFC girls are going to have a problem with it. Oh.. I don't do shows in free.......... 95% do. And You could probably make WAY WAY WAY more money than you are now if those girls WEREN'T fucking themselves for free. It's not about "Oh I make lots of money now even the way it is" Well guess what? Your money will continue to drop, you said yourself that you are in your 40s.. do you really want to keep 'reinventing' and 'hustling hard' at your age? How about in 5 years? Why not just have it be easier and not have a bunch of women fucking themselves with baseball bats, live, and for free?

    Oh, and I said earlier that $250 was easier to come by then. Not that it's impossible now.. but just think.. before MFC.. Most girls were making at least $100-$300 STEADY an HOUR. Not any more.. I don't give a shit how cute and cool you are.
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    Yes Sam.. we are being raped. Any time someone takes more than 15% of YOUR money that you are making off of YOUR body.. it's rape.. pimp.. whatever term you would like to use.
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    No no.. RAPE occurs against ones will. Choosing to cam at MFC or wherever is far from rape. You CHOOSE to do such, you are not forced to do it. There are other cam sites in the world... oh hell, there are plenty of other professions in the world. You don't have to do the job if you don't like what it entails. Free market enterprise baby, that's the name of the game.

    More importantly, I think you girls really just don't get it. Running servers, attorney fees, general business costs are DAMN expensive. Is Leo making good money? Hell yeah he is! And guess what, that's capitalism at it's best! If these guys weren't making any money, there would be no sites for us to make our money on.

    Don't hate someone because they make their bank... if you think you can do it better, don't trash 'em, do it yourself and show that you can do it better and give the girls more money. I'll guarantee and bet anything that you are in for a shock of a lifetime if you think you can pay girls 85% and stay in business! YOU CAN'T... and anyone would know that who owns a multi-million dollar business. Life ain't that easy.

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    I'm torn on this issue. While I would LOVE to see things like anal, DP, fisting, peeing/pooing/squirting NOT be part of a freechat room...I'm still on the fence about normal masturbation. Probably because I'd be a hypocrite if I said that I wasn't because I DO do hitatchi or vibrator shows a few times a week. Do I NEED to? Well, if I looked at it, probably not. I made $900 last nite in my free chat in tips alone before I even started a countdown for a cum show. But do I think that doing them benefits me? I'd say yes. It exposes me to all of the hundreds of guys who join my room as soon as the toy comes out, which leads to future customers...doing one cum show instead of 18 privates keeps my body and vagina healthier and happier. And opting to do one cum show instead of a bunch of privates keeps me in my freechat room where I ultimately have way more fun because I LOVE interacting with my boys and honestly if I were being taken private every 15 minutes, they wouldn't get the interaction from me that they so greatly deserve, and that would make me sad. My time on MFC wouldn't even be close to the same if I had to rely on privates and I'd be willing to bet that I'd wind up losing most of my income because 90% of my tips come from my biggest fans who love seeing me smile, enjoy my interaction and personality and tip for nothing...I'd say 10% comes from countdowns for my nudeshows. So yeah...doing away with free shows would ultimately hurt me because I know I'd hate having to go private all the time and missing my boys, and missing out on more potential income just being in freechat hanging out and having a good time....but on the flipside, I DO see the arguments about doing away with hardcore stuff in freechat. Maybe the rules just need to be more strictly enforced? Is there no middle ground? Can't there be a compromise? Like say, no more of the super hardcore or illegal shiz at ALL ...but masturbation is allowed as long as its tame? I don't know...wishful thinking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladyjalyn View Post
    since when are pictures of kids are allowed on mfc profile? I saw it and was like wtf!!! Or did i miss a memo?
    wtf?! /:o

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    First off, I said raped, pimped.. whatever you would like to call it.. yea, that's exactly what's happening. It doesn't cost 60% of all proceeds to pay for traffic, servers, and lawyers

    So, let's break down some math.. If Jane makes $200/day as her cut.. the site is making $600. Let's imagine for a moment that there are at least 40 other women on said site per day that make the same amount or maybe even more than Jane.. The site has made $24,000 that day just off of those few girls making $200 or more... let alone the money the money they make off of the lower ladder.

    So, let's round it up to about $30,000 PER DAY for the site. That is $210,000 a week........ lol.

    Go for it.. take the right now approach... just don't say nobody told you so when your earnings start to deplete, or when you start having less.. and less say about your money. Or when you have to start doing more for it!
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    I do want to point out that I do understand you other ladies as well. I get the idea that you get to a certain amount of money before doing anything in the room, so therefore the show is not actually free.. but here is my problem..

    All of us are worth getting paid by each and every person that wants to see us naked. If a guy steals your show and posts it somewhere.. okay.. it sucks.. and it's even more horrible when the site you work for does it, -but- like we all know.. the men usually pay for the live interaction. I'm sorry, but yes, the site should enforce it's own rules. We have to follow rules every where else in our lives, that includes rules on how we make our money. Women in this industry are very divided when they should be a collective. If you wanted even more money... you could get it.
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    First off, I said raped, pimped.. whatever you would like to call it.. yea, that's exactly what's happening. It doesn't cost 60% of all proceeds to pay for traffic, servers, and lawyers

    So, let's break down some math.. If Jane makes $200/day as her cut.. the site is making $600. Let's imagine for a moment that there are at least 40 other women on said site per day that make the same amount or maybe even more than Jane.. The site has made $24,000 that day just off of those few girls making $200 or more... let alone the money the money they make off of the lower ladder.

    So, let's round it up to about $30,000 PER DAY for the site. That is $210,000 a week........ lol.

    Go for it.. take the right now approach... just don't say nobody told you so when your earnings start to deplete, or when you start having less.. and less say about your money. Or when you have to start doing more for it!

    Ummm, first off, not sure what site you are talking about, but MFC gets 50% max. Your analogy that Jane is making $200 and the site is making $600 is WAY off. In truth, at most the site is making $200 and Jane is making $200. But actually, the number is not even that... because of the discounts for large purchases, the site is making significantly less than $200... it's making closer to $150 to $180 dollars BEFORE THE HUGE EXPENSES.

    Secondly, you have no idea how much bandwidth and servers cost. A single Dell web-worthy server (which I happen to own one of for my own purposes) costs nearly $100,000 and that doesn't count the minimum T3 to run just a few of those servers which runs in the TENS of THOUSANDS a month.

    Bandwidth is VERY VERY VERY expensive especially when you are dealing with the amount of traffic that MFC has to deal with.

    And that doesn't even include advertising, promotion, trade shows, attorney fees, employee salaries (yes, it takes marketing people, web people, server administrators, IT guys, office personnel, secretaries, assistants, etc, etc).

    My father before he passed away wholly owned and operated a small studio in California for B-horror movies and other small big screen ventures, and the amount of money it takes to do such is unfathomable.

    I applaud you girls for wanting to start your own cam site, it's a great idea. But if you intend on promising girls for that say, 60% of revenues, then you will be sued and ran out of business in less than 6 months. You have no idea how expensive owning a real company is.

    I'm not talking AVON sales here, I'm talking expenses you've never even imagined, and I can promise you it's gonna cost a lot more than $100 per investor times 100 girls. You better raise at least $500,000 in capital before even thinking about partaking in such a venture, and in all honesty, that's not even enough.

    So I say, all you girls, throw your hard earned dollars into it--if you can afford to waste that $100 that will absolutely positively be a wasted investment because it's just not enough money--then go for it!

    In all reality, 100 girls will need to put up $10,000 each to make the venture work. Nothing short of $1-million total to get this thing working will be sufficient. If you think I'm wrong, then be my guest, do it... but I promise you, you will all lose every dime you put into it.

    I'm not a lame brained cam girl, I'm a business major who was raised in the "business". You girls are in for a rude awakening...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niko-n-Justine View Post
    Ummm, first off, not sure what site you are talking about, but MFC gets 50% max. Your analogy that Jane is making $200 and the site is making $600 is WAY off. In truth, at most the site is making $200 and Jane is making $200. But actually, the number is not even that... because of the discounts for large purchases, the site is making significantly less than $200... it's making closer to $150 to $180 dollars BEFORE THE HUGE EXPENSES.

    Secondly, you have no idea how much bandwidth and servers cost. A single Dell web-worthy server (which I happen to own one of for my own purposes) costs nearly $100,000 and that doesn't count the minimum T3 to run just a few of those servers which runs in the TENS of THOUSANDS a month.

    Bandwidth is VERY VERY VERY expensive especially when you are dealing with the amount of traffic that MFC has to deal with.

    And that doesn't even include advertising, promotion, trade shows, attorney fees, employee salaries (yes, it takes marketing people, web people, server administrators, IT guys, office personnel, secretaries, assistants, etc, etc).

    My father before he passed away wholly owned and operated a small studio in California for B-horror movies and other small big screen ventures, and the amount of money it takes to do such is unfathomable.

    I applaud you girls for wanting to start your own cam site, it's a great idea. But if you intend on promising girls for that say, 60% of revenues, then you will be sued and ran out of business in less than 6 months. You have no idea how expensive owning a real company is.

    I'm not talking AVON sales here, I'm talking expenses you've never even imagined, and I can promise you it's gonna cost a lot more than $100 per investor times 100 girls. You better raise at least $500,000 in capital before even thinking about partaking in such a venture, and in all honesty, that's not even enough.

    So I say, all you girls, throw your hard earned dollars into it--if you can afford to waste that $100 that will absolutely positively be a wasted investment because it's just not enough money--then go for it!

    In all reality, 100 girls will need to put up $10,000 each to make the venture work. Nothing short of $1-million total to get this thing working will be sufficient. If you think I'm wrong, then be my guest, do it... but I promise you, you will all lose every dime you put into it.

    I'm not a lame brained cam girl, I'm a business major who was raised in the "business". You girls are in for a rude awakening...
    I forgot about MFC being over 50%.. at least they have that much- shit. But you're still taking away from the whole concept of other girls that sell themselves out for practically nothing and are constantly breaking the rules, and the site allowing the rules to be broken... and disgustingly so.

    Servers are expensive.. but it's pretty much a one time buy, and when you are making about quarter mil or more a week.. then that's okay. Bandwidth is also expensive, and I am QUITE aware of how much a T3 line costs per month

    So, in a month, max they are paying maybe 50K?
    Out of over a million dollars.. for bandwidth. That still leaves 950K.
    Probably about 300K goes out to employees (about 60K per week in office/tech support), lawyers (as big business like this usually hires a firm to handle all their problems, and will pay a flat fee per month), and of course, advertising.. which does not cost tens of thousands of dollars per month.
    This brings us down to 650K per month which is basically profit..numbers are probably higher than this, with the way everyone says they are banking. But definitely the range of 300K-500K per month is going to someone.

    The cost of starting your own cam company with your own servers and t3 line? Maybe not at first. But you build yourself up... the same way the rest of them did.
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    Im tired of arguing about this!! Lets stick to the issue..most of us wants to see a change or this thread wouldnt be made....So please ladies if you agree that MFC should Follow their OWN rules, speak your voice!

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    I forgot about MFC being over 50%.. at least they have that much- shit. But you're still taking away from the whole concept of other girls that sell themselves out for practically nothing and are constantly breaking the rules, and the site allowing the rules to be broken... and disgustingly so.

    Servers are expensive.. but it's pretty much a one time buy, and when you are making about quarter mil or more a week.. then that's okay. Bandwidth is also expensive, and I am QUITE aware of how much a T3 line costs per month

    So, in a month, max they are paying maybe 50K?
    Out of over a million dollars.. for bandwidth. That still leaves 950K.
    Probably about 300K goes out to employees (about 60K per week in office/tech support), lawyers (as big business like this usually hires a firm to handle all their problems, and will pay a flat fee per month), and of course, advertising.. which does not cost tens of thousands of dollars per month.
    This brings us down to 650K per month which is basically profit..numbers are probably higher than this, with the way everyone says they are banking. But definitely the range of 300K-500K per month is going to someone.

    The cost of starting your own cam company with your own servers and t3 line? Maybe not at first. But you build yourself up... the same way the rest of them did.
    No, you don't understand, servers are not a one-time buy. To get about 500 customers on at once, it takes about $100,000 per server. 500 customers is NOTHING... to make money, you need about 50,000 customers online at any given time (to divide between all of the girls) and that means the servers alone are way more than a small investment can afford.

    Furthermore, let's just say your $650k in profits for Leo per month is correct... lets just say that's how much MFC clears in a month. How many models are active on MFC per month? Say... 3000? That means Leo actually only makes about $325 per model, per month.

    The average model on MFC makes around $1700 per month. Leo is only making $325 for each of those models on average. So he is actually only making about 19% per model. That's not much hun.

    That's FAR FAR FAR from the amount all of the other sites are making on their models. So instead of attacking the other sites that are making 50% to 60% CLEAR and free on their models, we are gonna attack the site that profits less than 20% on it's models?

    Yeah, something isn't right with that picture. Someone somewhere has a personal beef with Leo... which is fine, but let's keep it real.

    Bambalina said that with an investment of $100 from only 100 girls, she could take on the camming world... she's either dishonest or she didn't do due diligence. We are not stupid cam girls, we are empowered women who collectively hustle men with doctorates out of hundreds of thousands of dollars per day.

    We all know good and well that $10,000 ain't shit... and it sure as hell won't start a camming company. It's not enough money. Just do the research yourself, go get a quote on a T3... get a quote on multiple web worthy servers that can host tens of thousands of men at one time. go to career builder and find out how much you'll have to pay server administrators, IT guys, assistants, marketing people, etc etc....

    It's a multi-million dollar endeavor. And anyone who tells you that you can do it for $10,000 is either clueless or dishonest. Don't waste your money on a get rich quick scheme. There is no such thing. It takes a hell of a lot of money to make money, not a dream a pocket full of change.

    I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, I just don't want to see good women waste their money on a pipe dream... that's not fair to any of you.

    If an investor comes to you with the same idea, and proposes the truth, that it takes millions to create a cam company and be successful, please sign up, I'll be right behind you. I would love to be apart of such a dream.

    That's the truth. If you put your money in a fantasy, don't be upset when you realize that it's all gone. That's the way life works. $10,000 is shit money wise... it means nothing.

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    The cost of starting your own cam company with your own servers and t3 line? Maybe not at first. But you build yourself up... the same way the rest of them did.
    Yeah somehow I doubt all of them started out big with a huge amount of bandwidth and servers. Over time they likely added that as capacity increased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niko-n-Justine View Post
    No, you don't understand, servers are not a one-time buy. To get about 500 customers on at once, it takes about $100,000 per server. 500 customers is NOTHING... to make money, you need about 50,000 customers online at any given time (to divide between all of the girls) and that means the servers alone are way more than a small investment can afford.

    Furthermore, let's just say your $650k in profits for Leo per month is correct... lets just say that's how much MFC clears in a month. How many models are active on MFC per month? Say... 3000? That means Leo actually only makes about $325 per model, per month.

    The average model on MFC makes around $1700 per month. Leo is only making $325 for each of those models on average. So he is actually only making about 19% per model. That's not much hun.

    That's FAR FAR FAR from the amount all of the other sites are making on their models. So instead of attacking the other sites that are making 50% to 60% CLEAR and free on their models, we are gonna attack the site that profits less than 20% on it's models?

    Yeah, something isn't right with that picture. Someone somewhere has a personal beef with Leo... which is fine, but let's keep it real.

    Bambalina said that with an investment of $100 from only 100 girls, she could take on the camming world... she's either dishonest or she didn't do due diligence. We are not stupid cam girls, we are empowered women who collectively hustle men with doctorates out of hundreds of thousands of dollars per day.

    We all know good and well that $10,000 ain't shit... and it sure as hell won't start a camming company. It's not enough money. Just do the research yourself, go get a quote on a T3... get a quote on multiple web worthy servers that can host tens of thousands of men at one time. go to career builder and find out how much you'll have to pay server administrators, IT guys, assistants, marketing people, etc etc....

    It's a multi-million dollar endeavor. And anyone who tells you that you can do it for $10,000 is either clueless or dishonest. Don't waste your money on a get rich quick scheme. There is no such thing. It takes a hell of a lot of money to make money, not a dream a pocket full of change.

    I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, I just don't want to see good women waste their money on a pipe dream... that's not fair to any of you.

    If an investor comes to you with the same idea, and proposes the truth, that it takes millions to create a cam company and be successful, please sign up, I'll be right behind you. I would love to be apart of such a dream.

    That's the truth. If you put your money in a fantasy, don't be upset when you realize that it's all gone. That's the way life works. $10,000 is shit money wise... it means nothing.
    You can rent servers. I think I said that in my last post.. ? Excuse me if I didn't.

    mfc says the model makes 'on average' 61%..

    You are saying the average model gets $1700/month and there are 3,000 active girls/month.. let's just round that out and down a little..

    $2000/month x 2000 active girls = $4 million per month in revenue.. split 50/50 is 2 million per month in revenue... even at 40/60 (which is the consensus according to MFC) is still 1.6mil per month (30/70 would be 1.2mil) .. where there is still a profit of 300K-500K/month at any given time after bills.
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    I'm signing bc I dont do shows in public for numerous viewers to watch for free, and i'm tired of the few men who do stop by my room barking orders at me and telling me i wont succeed bc the model next to me is doing squirt in free and i wont show my pussy. Im glad that some of you are happy doing shows for views who arent paying, but at the peak of your rooms fullness, would you still be making more if each person had to pay .50¢ to view your 10min show? Or if one is paying $4 and all the rest are paying to spy? And do you meet you goal at the drop of a hat? You claim to make more then you would in a 10 min private, but i dont see you factoring in the time you spend hustling to reach your show goal. I dont know details, but the math seems flawed.



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    Signed!

    In my opinion, MFC should add feature for tip goal countdown similar to Streamate offers to the cam models doing countdown tip goal and once the goal reach only the tippers can watch the show in group mode. Freeloaders shouldn't be rewarded by tippers that contribute to the goal to watch along in public. Freeloaders deserve only to see the white screen box stating the model in group and if want join in pay up .

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    Wow, ladies! This shit went viral since last I was here. How interesting...

    What I see, is a fundamental agreement with my principles and statements about "Free Shows" destroying camming.

    Now, let me first defend my use of the words FREE SHOWS.

    When I began in the world of camming, every person who saw me naked averaged paying me several dollars per minute. EVERY person AVERAGED SEVERAL DOLLARS....Per Minute.

    Making $2000 in a week was not hard at all. MOST of the girls I know did.

    So, if you do a free show, where you charged 3000 tokens and made your $150, and you claim that makes it not "Free"..You ARE technically correct. But if there are an average of 1000 men watching these free shows, and if we factor in the Candy Canes and the other top MFC women who do them, that is reasonable...If 5-10 men paid for the show, which is common, then that means 10 men paid, and 990 got a FREE show. So would you then call that, in the world of math, a PAID show which required admission to be paid? Or a free show supported by a few generous men? 990 out of 1000 got to see it for free...it's a fucking FREE SHOW. We can also look at the math and see that I averaged several dollars per minute. But in this scenario each man who saw you fuck yourself averaged 15 cents for a whole show (you use 10 minutes as the time of that show...) so 1.5 cents per minute per man...Sound like more or less FREE to me. Since they could scrounge their 1.5 cents off the sidewalk.

    So, I will continue to call them free shows, because for all those who are hurt by them, that is what they are. Shows where all those 990 guys got to cum free and NOT pay the girls who don't do FREE SHOWS.

    So that gets covered first.

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    Secondly, lets look at Choice.

    In a city with ONE cable company that is awarded a franchise and there is a monopoly, one can choose to pay the exorbitant cable bill, or not have cable. Is that fair? Nope...

    Is that a free market? Nope...

    So, we have 3 big cam companies where you can ostensibly make a shitload of money. And all three have horrendous anti-camgirl practices. So, we can either sign their horrific contracts, or not work for the big camsites and settle for less...this is your FREE MARKET, and it works so well...NOT!

    We also have 3 companies that pay their models MUCH less than they ought to or are able to.

    And since they control the traffic and the market, you can suck it up or fuck off...

    And this is what is being passed off as CHOICE in this thread...You can choose not to sign, you can choose to work for indy cam sites that thusfar have exposed their customer data and don't do SHIT for promotion...or you can quit camming...those are all such VIABLE choices...why would we bitch and moan?

    Must be we're jealous. Easy argument to throw out...too bad it makes NO sense.

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    But in the end, those arguments actually are both about throwing off the real discussion. They both make me suspect the proponents of those arguments of being shills, stupid, or having an axe to grind or hidden agenda. Since the reality is this...

    MFC offers a contract which we sign. That contract strictly requires us to follow certain rules and regulations about what will and will not happen in shows. In other words, we give our word we will NOT do free shows that include explicit genitalia, masturbation, and penetration. But on the converse side, in a very real way, MFC is promising US that we will NOT have to compete with that type of show.

    When we arrive at the REALITY of MFC and start doing shows we immediately see it is VERY VERY different.

    So in other words, MFC asks us to lie, or have an unfair competitive disadvantage in signing the contract, while at the same time lies to us about what we should expect as models on their site...all in a legally binding contract.

    And we're jealous whiners if we don't like that. Does anyone see how ridiculous this thread really is? I mean, if the people who are arguing, aren't shills for MFC and the cam companies, then they are simpletons of the lowest caliber and truly not worth arguing with.

    I cannot imagine someone saying seriously that they cannot perceive that FREE SHOWS, where thousands of potential customers, guys who USED to pay ME, are now watching for free and NOT paying ANY of you...is not BAD BAD BAD for the industry....It's like a surreal film or something.

    There IS NO ARGUMENT.

    This is a silly thread that was purposefully derailed...why? Because it's not in someone's interests for us to succeed with a collective camsite...it's not in someone's interest to have free shows stop on MFC.

    And I BET that person is afraid of me/us going to the news and the law to make this happen. But not for the reasons presented.

    Pfft...read between the lines ladies...

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    Ok, Now to Niko-n-Justine.

    I assert here YOU are a liar. Or a shill. Or just plain not very smart.

    Let's start with the high end dell server that will run a camsite costing $100,000....

    Exhibit A:


    Also, go here:



    Premium 7 would do nicely for a starting cam site, even up to being pretty bigbox, and only $500 per month..IMAGINE. No T3 necessary for the first year at least.

    OR



    Plan Hybrid 3 would do QUITE nicely for the first 6 months of service, and once one outgrew it, one could also afford to move up.


    So, as far as start-up costs...you jumped from $500,000 to $1MILLION...But I can get the scripts written for under $5k and the hosting is $500 MAX, and I am working on getting us a lawyer as a partner, so the legal fees are absorbed, and the promotion will be NOTHING compared to a site which doesn't have 100 gorgeous women running it...

    So your claims are baseless....


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    Now lets look at the legal claims of this person. That it is legal in the United states to do pornographic shows for minors. That is what is being said. Because COPA was struck down, that there are NO LAWS in ANY jurisdiction that make performing pornographic acts for minors illegal. Is that HONESTLY what you are contending?

    Secondarily, ladies, you are listening to and reading this stuff, and I'm ashamed of ALL of you.

    Because NO-ONE has said "It doesn't even fucking MATTER if it is illegal, it is fucking WRONG to not care if CHILDREN are watching you ram a fucking dildo into yourself."

    Do you ladies who do shows in free not realize that MANY of your "guests" are damn KIDS...And Niko-n-Justine can go on and on about parental responsibility all they want, but in the end, if you do these shows you are knowingly doing masturbation and insertion shows in a place which is KNOWN to be frequented by kids and teens, and which does NOTHING to stop them getting in. Because in the end MANY parents aren't responsible, and the kids are latchkey and the parents aren't home, and these kids are exploring the web and you are providing damn sybian/hitachi/fuck machine/full lesbian show for them. It IS illegal...but even if it weren't, is that who you are? Really? And do you think MFC should have the right to do that???

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    Next...If 2% of the guys watching these "paid shows in free chat" for FREE would be tippers if those shows weren't available and 10 shows of 1000 viewers are done per day...this equates to 200 tippers per day GONE. I think the number is more like 10% personally...and I think the number of guys who just leave after whacking it to a free show is MUCH higher, since there are WAY more than 10 free masturbation shows per day on MFC and often MORE than 1000 guys in the show...that is what the fucking LOUNGE is FOR.

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    Lastly, for now...the arguments you make about people being jealous, free speech, and freedom of expression, and so on, fall really flat when you try to curtail my accessing the free press with my free speech and curtail my freedom of expression by telling me to more or less shut up and quit bitching...bitching is protected speech...So put that in your FREE pipe and smoke it...

    Also, your arguments are all BS, because none of them include a company that signs a contract, and requires a signature, on a contract it is already breaching as it is being signed.

    Are you saying workers and independent contractors should NOT have the right to demand that the contracted terms of employment are stuck to? That to demand that a company sticks to it;s word with workers is SOCIALIST or RIGHT WING (hilarious, since those two are opposites).

    Many claim to organize labor and make things more fair is socialist..are you one of those who believes all unions are socialist and should be busted up?

    Because the way I see it, you have NO LEG TO STAND ON.

    A company has a contract and stated rules and doesn't follow them, and it is detrimental to some, and you say they shouldn't complain. Even if that company is breaking the law, and breaching legal agreements and harming ladies, they should just shut up?

    You are saying I should shut up and I'm jealous and girls shouldn't give me a dime and I'm scary for wanting to go the news and so on...seems like a personal attack to me...what the fuck did I ever do to you?

    That you would go so far as to lie to these women. $100,000 for decent server...PUH-LEEZE!

    That we Need a T3 to START a camsite.

    That we need Half the shit you talk about to START a camsite....

    That's all ridiculous.

    Maybe you know nothing and aren't actually malevolent, but I wouldn't bet on it.


    Tell us more about how it is a Million to start a cam site....Pfft...please...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post

    MFC offers a contract which we sign. That contract strictly requires us to follow certain rules and regulations about what will and will not happen in shows. In other words, we give our word we will NOT do free shows that include explicit genitalia, masturbation, and penetration. But on the converse side, in a very real way, MFC is promising US that we will NOT have to compete with that type of show.

    When we arrive at the REALITY of MFC and start doing shows we immediately see it is VERY VERY different.

    So in other words, MFC asks us to lie, or have an unfair competitive disadvantage in signing the contract, while at the same time lies to us about what we should expect as models on their site...all in a legally binding contract.

    And we're jealous whiners if we don't like that. Does anyone see how ridiculous this thread really is? I mean, if the people who are arguing, aren't shills for MFC and the cam companies, then they are simpletons of the lowest caliber and truly not worth arguing with.

    I cannot imagine someone saying seriously that they cannot perceive that FREE SHOWS, where thousands of potential customers, guys who USED to pay ME, are now watching for free and NOT paying ANY of you...is not BAD BAD BAD for the industry....It's like a surreal film or something.

    There IS NO ARGUMENT.

    This is a silly thread that was purposefully derailed...why? Because it's not in someone's interests for us to succeed with a collective camsite...it's not in someone's interest to have free shows stop on MFC.

    And I BET that person is afraid of me/us going to the news and the law to make this happen. But not for the reasons presented.

    Pfft...read between the lines ladies...

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    First and foremost, as you so stated prior, MFC's contract isn't worth the paper its written on and wouldn't hold up in court. Therefore, what the contract does or doesn't state it irrelevant.

    More importantly ma'am, this thread was NOT derailed. They were opinions given that neither you nor those in your camp held. That's the way these forums work. One person gives and opinion, another person gives another, and so on and so forth.

    And like I said before, when a person such as yourself wants to "expose" MFC to the mass media, YOU are putting those women in danger. MOST WOMEN ON MFC DO NOT WANT TO BE EXPOSED IN THEIR PROFESSION. And I mean EVEN THE ONES WHO FOLLOW THE RULES AS YOU SEE THEM.

    You want to create your own cam site? DO IT. But if your idea is to build yourself up while tearing something else (and other people) down, I think it just makes you look pathetic.

    Exposing Leo means exposing honest, hard working girls who do NOTHING wrong everyday. And this isn't about me mind you--I don't give a shit who knows what I do. Outside of the crazy stalker types, being outed really means nothing to me. I intend on being in the adult industry or the rest of my life.

    But for the rest of girls who are trying to make money without their families, significant others, co-workers, friends, etc, finding out what they do... I feel bad for them that someone like you, who should get that, is so self-centered that you will run over anyone to further yourself.

    The truth is, you are no different than Leo or any of the other people who own cam sites. It's do or die, and fuck anyone who gets in your way!

    Totally pathetic.

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    "And that doesn't even include advertising, promotion, trade shows, attorney fees, employee salaries (yes, it takes marketing people, web people, server administrators, IT guys, office personnel, secretaries, assistants, etc, etc)".

    Um, I've read SM...bigger than MFC actually, has 20 employees. total, and many of them are family and friends of the Owner<s>. 20 employees getting say 3k-5k per month average, 60-100k and SM has an average of about 800 models online. And if they bank even $20 an hour average...$384,000 per day. MFC is equivalent....in man ways except keeps less, but either way the whole company is paid for in ONE DAY.

    And more than half those employees you listed are under ONE fee...HOSTING.

    And I betcha MFC doesn;t have a marketing department, and yer etc. etc. is hilarious...you ran out of stuff to list and threw in etc. etc. which means you have many more people that you can list that work for MFC, when you probably have either no idea of the structure of MFC internally, OR you KNOW the structure because you're a shill...and know that what you're saying is complete and utter nonsense.

    Web sites, even BIG porn sites generally average UNDER 20 employees, and you'd be surprised how many pretty darn big sites have like 8 employees.

    So. quit blowing smoke and BSing....

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    Do you really think MFc is going to listen to some online petition.
    Good point...I wonder if they will...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niko-n-Justine View Post
    First and foremost, as you so stated prior, MFC's contract isn't worth the paper its written on and wouldn't hold up in court. Therefore, what the contract does or doesn't state it irrelevant.

    More importantly ma'am, this thread was NOT derailed. They were opinions given that neither you nor those in your camp held. That's the way these forums work. One person gives and opinion, another person gives another, and so on and so forth.

    And like I said before, when a person such as yourself wants to "expose" MFC to the mass media, YOU are putting those women in danger. MOST WOMEN ON MFC DO NOT WANT TO BE EXPOSED IN THEIR PROFESSION. And I mean EVEN THE ONES WHO FOLLOW THE RULES AS YOU SEE THEM.

    You want to create your own cam site? DO IT. But if your idea is to build yourself up while tearing something else (and other people) down, I think it just makes you look pathetic.

    Exposing Leo means exposing honest, hard working girls who do NOTHING wrong everyday. And this isn't about me mind you--I don't give a shit who knows what I do. Outside of the crazy stalker types, being outed really means nothing to me. I intend on being in the adult industry or the rest of my life.

    But for the rest of girls who are trying to make money without their families, significant others, co-workers, friends, etc, finding out what they do... I feel bad for them that someone like you, who should get that, is so self-centered that you will run over anyone to further yourself.

    The truth is, you are no different than Leo or any of the other people who own cam sites. It's do or die, and fuck anyone who gets in your way!

    Totally pathetic.
    Yah, because if 60 minutes did an expose on MFC, they would out camgirls...GET REAL...they would go after Leo and you damn well know it.

    If anyone believes anything you say I would be really surprised.

    So...for the record.

    It would be illegal to expose the names of camgrls in the public media and would SERIOUSLY open up CBS to HUGE lawsuits for recklessly endangering the lives of camgirls...So it would absolutely NOT happen.

    Secondly, the story would be about the minors watching webcam shows.

    Thirdly, they would only be exposed if LEO gave out the real names and such...are you saying he would do that???

    Your argument is once again not only weak, but seems like an outright fabrication, and designed to denigrate me. Continue...have at it.

    I would say for me, I would rather avoid the ban hammer that will come down soon for all this drama that is starting now, and I will step back until there is something substantial to argue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    It would be illegal to expose the names of camgrls in the public media and would SERIOUSLY open up CBS to HUGE lawsuits for recklessly endangering the lives of camgirls...So it would absolutely NOT happen.

    Secondly, the story would be about the minors watching webcam shows.


    OMG, good point about endangering the lives of cam girls. Could you imagine having your photo and REAL name revealed on the news? That would be some FUCKED up shit.
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