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    This article was on Yahoo the other day. I think it's very interesting. I personally agree with it. I think there are just some places that children shouldn't be allowed. Sometimes adults just want to be adults and enjoy some time away from screaming kids, and I think they should be allowed that right, even in public. I am a DINK though so, my opinion is just one side of the spectrum. I'm interested in what people with children think about this...

    Here's the link: http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/paren...eading-2516110

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    What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.

    Lately, complaints about screaming kids are being taken seriously, not only by airlines, but by hotels, movie theaters, restaurants, and even grocery stores. Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.

    According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.

    "Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.

    Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.

    "Call me a grinch, a misanthrope, a DINK (dual-income-no-kids), or the anti-cute-police, but I hate (hate a thousand times over) ill-behaved children/infants/screaming banshees in upscale restaurants (ok, anywhere, really, but I don’t want any death threats)," writes Charlotte Savino on Travel and Leisure's blog. She lists a slew of a popular destination restaurants with kid-free areas and policies for travelers looking for quiet vacation dining.

    Traveling is one thing, but what about in kids' own hometowns? Should kids been banned from local movie theaters, like they were at a recent adults-only Harry Potter screening? In Texas, one cinema chain has even flipped the model, banning kids under six altogether, except on specified "baby days".

    Even running errands with toddlers may be changing. This summer Whole Foods stores in Missouri are offering child-free shopping hours (kids are allowed inside but childcare service is available for parents who want to shop kid-free.) Meanwhile in Florida, a controversy brews over whether kids can be banned from a condominium's outdoor area. That's right, some people don't even want kids outdoors.

    When did kids become the equivalent of second-hand smoke? Blame a wave of childless adults with money to spare. "Empty nesters continue to wield a huge swath of discretionary spending dollars, and population dips in first-world countries mean more childless couples than ever," writes AdWeek's Klara.

    Catering to the child-free community may be good for business but is it good for parents? It could help narrow choices and make kid-friendly environments even kid-friendlier. And let's be honest, babies won't miss flying first class. They won't even remember it. But their moms and dads will.

    Most parents with young children have self-imposed limits on spending and leisure. This new movement imposes limits set by the public. And the public isn't as child-friendly as it used to be. As businesses respond to their new breed of 'first-class' clientele, are parents in danger of becoming second-class citizens?

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    Keep them at home until they can behave in public.

    I am all for it.

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    That's why they invented "crying rooms!"

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    Yes, I heard about this. Also, there's a restaraunt on the north side of Chi., that has been doing this I believe.
    Due to the fact that, while some parents were in there, the kid was allowed to play by the swinging doors, that connect kitchen/dining room! Also, kids were running around by waitresses carrying trays!
    I see in Home Depot a huge sign by lumbar asking people to please not let their kids roam around unsupervised.


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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    Yes, I heard about this. Also, there's a restaraunt on the north side of Chi., that has been doing this I believe.
    Due to the fact that, while some parents were in there, the kid was allowed to play by the swinging doors, that connect kitchen/dining room! Also, kids were running around by waitresses carrying trays!
    I see in Home Depot a huge sign by lumbar asking people to please not let their kids roam around unsupervised.
    I know this woman who used to go to that restaurant but no more because of the ban. Need I mention her kids are brats?

    I have to agree with this ban. I couldn't begin to mention all the times I've been somewhere and a kid was screaming or running around while the parents did nothing to stop it. I suspect these bans are popping up because many parents today don't discipline their children.

    The problem I see also are parents who think everyone should love their kids no matter how bratty. The fact is not everyone likes kids. We've become a society where people think kids belong everywhere, but in reality there are places kids shouldn't. An example are weddings. I am not a big believer in kids being at large weddings because to me it should be adults only. However, I know that if I marry I will be expected to have kids at the wedding.

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    If they are going to start banning kids, they need to start making more places kids ARE allowed, such as more indoor playgrounds and chikd-friendly restaurants. Quite frankly, I'm sick of McDonald's playgrounds.

    I agree with kid-free restaurants and vacations, and even dining and shopping hours, but banning children from playing outside? A little extreme, I think. And aren't kids getting fat enough? Now, let's FORCE them to stay indoors and get fatter. Good God.....

    The reality is people aren't going to stop having children. But people need to make sure their kids are welled behaved, and childless people need to accept that sometimes kids act out and have tantrums. A well-behaved child should not be banned just because he or she is a child, but a brat should be because he or she is a brat. I'm more for kicking the kid out rather than banning ALL children.
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    Ugh....kids at weddings....shiver.... To me, this is the worst idea ever. Kids do not belong at weddings. This is still a debate with my BF and I (whether or not to include his nieces).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I know this woman who used to go to that restaurant but no more because of the ban. Need I mention her kids are brats?

    I have to agree with this ban. I couldn't begin to mention all the times I've been somewhere and a kid was screaming or running around while the parents did nothing to stop it. I suspect these bans are popping up because many parents today don't discipline their children.

    The problem I see also are parents who think everyone should love their kids no matter how bratty. The fact is not everyone likes kids. We've become a society where people think kids belong everywhere, but in reality there are places kids shouldn't. An example are weddings. I am not a big believer in kids being at large weddings because to me it should be adults only. However, I know that if I marry I will be expected to have kids at the wedding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazybeautiful28 View Post
    Ugh....kids at weddings....shiver.... To me, this is the worst idea ever. Kids do not belong at weddings. This is still a debate with my BF and I (whether or not to include his nieces).
    Yeah this one has caused fights with relatives. Years ago my one cousin made the rule that no one under 18 was invited. Even though I was 14 and old enough to enjoy it I had no issue with not being invited (my parents went though). My aunt who had kids younger refused to attend because of it. Her thinking was kids who are relatives belong. I'm not getting married but if I did I would have my niece because she would be a flowergirl and my brother and sister in law are far away. Of course that opens the floodgates because I know my one cousin (daughter of the aunt above)would want her kids to be invited and another cousin would expect it, same with a friend of mine, and depending on who I married it could escalate. That could be another 20 people, which could mean 20 people you really want there you can't or have to pay more. All for what? so some kids would get bored, wouldn't eat and might get out of hand.

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    God, I wish I invented this policy. I'm not a total "child-hater" but I've always been of the opinion that there are certain places that kids shouldn't be. Even within my family, when I was a kid, I sat at the kids' table. But nowadays, there is no kids' table at family gatherings... I don't think that's right. If I"m sitting with the adults, I want to have an adult conversation without worrying about my 8-year old cousin sitting right next to me. I don't despise children but I despise having to deal with people who are not mature enough for certain situations. Kids fit the bill in a lot of places. People who think that children "are people just like the rest of us" are deluded. Kids are cute and adorable and I don't hate them, but the reality is that they don't have the skills and maturity to be in certain situations. Get over it - it's reality - it's fact. If I go to a child-friendly place, I have to deal with the fact that I will have to deal with children. If I go to an adult-friendly place, parents should have to deal with the fact that not everyone LOVES their precious bundles of joy intruding on their free time.

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    Mmmm I think people are annoying by little kids because it seems that parents don't know how to teach them how to behave and are a little spoiled. It is true that kids also shouldn't be in certain places, but the grocery store??? come on!!When I was little my mom used to take me to the grocery store and I would just sit in the cart quietly watching everything my mom was buying . On the other hand, there are kids that are mean by nature! lol
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    Honestly I like this idea, but it's because I've had too many things spoiled by screaming, bratty kids. I feel bad for the parents who have spent time raising their children to be good little people, who are now banned from places despite it. I think instead of "no kids", it should be "kids allowed at the managers discretion" or something. If you take your children to a restaurant, store etc and they are screaming and throwing shit around, then you need to get your butts out of there. If you already paid for your meal, movie tickets, whatever, then tough shit. People with well-behaved kids don't wanna put up with that any more than childless people.


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    Until parents start parenting again I can't blame people for hating kids when they act like savages. There's no discipline or punishment anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tropicalust View Post
    Mmmm I think people are annoying by little kids because it seems that parents don't know how to teach them how to behave and are a little spoiled. It is true that kids also shouldn't be in certain places, but the grocery store??? come on!!When I was little my mom used to take me to the grocery store and I would just sit in the cart quietly watching everything my mom was buying . On the other hand, there are kids that are mean by nature! lol
    Exactly...banning kids from a grocery store?! Come on now!

    I do agree parents need to teach their kids how to behave. I'm grateful that my oldest behaves in public, but if he were to ever cause a scene, it's out to the car we go.

    Even if my baby starts crying in the store, I take him to the restroom to feed him or to the car to feed him or will carry him while pushing a shopping cart just so he is calm and quiet.

    Even I can't stand when parents allow their children to whine and cry all through the store about a toy they're not getting...or literally DRAGGING their child through the store. I'd be soooo embarassed if that ever happened.

    Movie theaters...the only way I see that happening is if the movie is rated R or something. Sorry, but there's way too many kids movies for them to ban children from movie theaters.

    Hotels, cool...have a floor called the "no kid floor"...charge more. Go them!
    same with first class.....these people are paying a lot of money, so yeah, I can see no kids in first class.

    but banning kids from public....I mean, we were all kids before...lol...I doubt we were all precious little angles....yet we somehow survived, society somehow went on.

    I do agree, upscale restaurants, mayyyybbbeeee not the best place for children.
    If I was spending $100 on a damn hamburger, I'd want to enjoy my burger without hearing a whiny kid complaining that he wants fries over mac and cheese..lol (then again, I have 2 kids, so you will never see my ass spending $100 on a hamburger, and if I ever got that lucky, definitely won't be bringing my kids with me..will be enjoying that shit in PEACE!)
    But Chili's or Denny's or something....you can't ban kids from those types of places..lol

    The problem isn't the kids..it comes down to the parents not teaching their kids how to behave in public. Kids WILL be kids, but when a kid start causing a scene, screaming, crying, then something needs to be done. Remove the kid from the situation. In my opinion, it's not okay to ignore it and expect everyone else to ignore a crying, screaming kid/baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    Until parents start parenting again I can't blame people for hating kids when they act like savages. There's no discipline or punishment anymore.
    +1 Dollars to donuts the people most upset about these changes have hard-headed little jerks on their hands that they won't discipline because "kids will be kids".

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    Thank you ! Thank you! So glad someone finally put those bratty kids in their place. I'm sick of parents letting their kids do whatever and saying sorry more then once. I even hate when kids come up to me and try to talk and the parent just sits there waiting for me to respond.

    That's great then when your kid gets taken by a pedophile you'll wonder why? I actually have to tell the kid "don't talk to strangers". And the kid looks at me all confused as if this concept is some how strange. Stupid parents!!!!

    Sorry I was raised right and when I was a kid I hated seeing other children throw temper tantrums in supermarkets because they wanted candy. Ugg I wanted to beat those kids myself because it was just shameful! I was always well behaved to where my mother could take me anywhere without a peep. Again what bothered me most was the grown ass adults trying to talk to me where I always had to remind them to stay in their place as adults.

    You have my vote!

    Even now how many children bump you in passing and actually apologize? I always did when I was a child but I don't see that same respect anymore.

    So lame rules for lame parents!

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    Ohh and the candy sits low on the rack as a marketing strategy to get candy sales. This wasn't done by mistake. They know the child will see the candy and throw a fit to get it. Take the candy and bubble gum away and the parent may get out of buying their kids a future root canal.

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    Oohhhh, Las Vegas! WTF are kids doing in a smoky casino?? I know Circus, Circus was sort of designed for families, but really is this healthy for the kids??

    And they are annoying. When I have to get to a show in a hurry and I'm walk running in my 5in stilettos, I don't want to trip on a kid that doesn't know the meaning of manners and getting the f)*k out of the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinnerette View Post
    +1 Dollars to donuts the people most upset about these changes have hard-headed little jerks on their hands that they won't discipline because "kids will be kids".
    I don't know when that started being an acceptable excuse. If either I or my sister had behaved like some of these kids do (even at home) we would've had our asses handed to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Avery_ View Post
    Exactly...banning kids from a grocery store?! Come on now!
    some grocery stores have little play rooms for kids. I wish all of them had those. last time I went grocery shopping I was walking by this shopping cart with this little monster in it who screamed "SHUT UP!!" at me when I was walking by. I didn't even look at her because I freaking hate kids and she started freaking out at me.

    I cannot stand screaming and crying. I don't know if I ever want to have children because I just cannot stand screaming. it gives me anxiety. I think I would be having nervous breakdowns on a daily basis if I had kids.

    screaming babies on planes make me just want to fucking kill myself. SO annoyinggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even sitting in first class you can still HEAR them

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    I am 100% for this. The biggest thing for me is kids in bars, you wouldn't believe how many parents out here bring their baby in a bar, this isn't late at night but usually around happy hour time. The last thing i want to hear when Im trying to relax and have a drink is your screaming kid, in a bar.

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    I do agree there should be some places kids should not be allowed in but I also think there should be places where well behaved kids can be and spoiled one are asked to leave.. I was a quiet and polite kid by nature. My parents didn't teach me anything about please, thank you, sorry, or to be quiet and nice to others. The proof is my sister..

    I think parents need to start being parents again. I don't want to go somewhere and have to listen or watch a kid trowing a fit on the floor just cause s/he wants something s/he hasn't earned..

    I say this ban is a good step to have til kids learn not to yell for things... that is strictly for the born to first word age..

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    I'm reluctant to go there, but this is the natural outgrowth of a number of recent trends ...

    - US gov't policy and court actions have increasingly restricted parents / teachers / other authority figures from disciplining children. As a result today's children are more free than ever to 'misbehave', and parents have fewer options than ever to deal with 'misbehavior' ( particularly so in a public setting )

    - Money Talks ... and a general demographic trend is clearly proven that those parents with the least money to spend are also the ones that have the most children ! In a difficult economy, businesses are recognizing that attracting one or two additional 'rich' customers without children means more net income for the business than is lost by chasing away 10 'poor' customers with children.

    IMHO the recent trend of certain businesses banning children is a bit disturbing, since it is a first step towards a 'third world-ization' of US retail.

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    There has got to be options avail for both markets and there will be because there's money in it. Most times it depends on the behaviour of the child and how the parent handles poor behaviour, not all kids are little shits just like not all strippers are dumb/blonde/big boobs etc
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    ^^^ but just as strippers who aren't the stereotype 'lying, thieving, drug addicted whores' have to deal with the societal fallout of those few strippers who DO fit the stereotype, well behaved kids are also going to have to deal with the societal fallout of poorly behaved kids. Once the restaurant / airline / supermarket / theater posts a 'no children' policy, it's a done deal no matter how well behaved a particular child might actually be. This, in conjunction with the fact that families with children are operating under increasingly tight budgets, in turn will encourage the 'third world-ization' of US retail that I spoke of ... i.e. upscale restaurants versus McDonalds, upscale airlines versus Southwest, upscale supermarkets versus WalMart etc.

    Retailers falling in the 'middle' will probably increasingly lose 'affluent' DINK ( = dual income no kids ! ) customers due to their refusals to adopt a no children policy, plus increasingly losing 'poor' families with children due to their above rock bottom pricing levels. Whether or not middle of the road retailers can survive in the future without these two customer groups is a serious concern !!!

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    Too much regulation in my view ...Chidren are a part of our lives and should not be excluded , in Asia we are much more accepting of children .

    My kids came everywhere with me when they were little . Too many rules / far too many regs . A little common sense is needed .

    Agree with the ones saying however that parents need to accept more responsibility .
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