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    I'm sorry Bamb, but your post said the same thing over and over again quite hysterically. Am I ashamed for not following the rules? No.

    I take privates and groups, but nothing beats public shows. Its where the real money is at & honestly where most of my clients are too. I have multiple guys that REFUSE to take me private/group but will plunk down 1-2k tokens a night for a show (& I don't even use ANY toys in public). That is their personal preference. & I have a few that refuse to pay for public shows and will only take me private!! There are still clients for every type of model on MFC.

    MEN looooooove public shows. They love the comrades that they get helping out this common goal, and the way they get to show off! Every model does it differently and every member does it differently. MFC is relaxed and that's why people want to stay. I have talked to SEVERAL premiums who said that if it wasn't for the free shows catching their attentions they would have never stayed at MFC and bought tokens. Members have favorites and spend all their tokens on them, and freeload in the other rooms because they have no life!!! I have plenty of free-loaders that sometimes spend absurd amounts of money in other rooms. Does that make me frustrated? YES! Is it because of free shows? No, its because members give the models they have a connection with money!

    No matter how much time you waste trying to rally the troupes its not going to work. You should honestly just focus on how you are going to make the best of being your own camgirl and own site owner. Nobody should try to butt their noses into a successful camgirl's room and say "nuuuh uh! You are doing it wrong! I'm telling on you!!!"

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    Looks like Bambalina's confusing fact with theory. Hard to argue business strategy with someone who (1) goes batshit and (2) can't differentiate fact from theory.

    This is what I find so offensive: nobody knows the business better than the women who are working the sites right now. Not three years ago or ten years ago, but now. The moment we log on, we get direct input about the state of the business as it relates to us. We can determine what is working and what is not. We can guess at the causes of change, tweak our business to test that, then reject those guesses. And if we're generous, we can share what we learned with others.

    So it doesn't surprise me that the anti-MFC tirades are coming from someone who doesn't work the site. And it annoys the fuck out of me that someone who isn't on the ground getting direct feedback about the state of the site feels the need to talk down to those who are, as if we're morons ambling through MFC like a bunch of lost little lambs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noa View Post
    Looks like Bambalina's confusing fact with theory. Hard to argue business strategy with someone who (1) goes batshit and (2) can't differentiate fact from theory.
    I haven't seen where Bambalina has gone 'bat shit crazy'. Is she spewing conspiracy or something? The woman is just probably flabbergasted with trying to to bring some of these ladies into the light. When you are passionate about something-especially about something that you feel is wrong- you almost become overwhelmed with emotions when people continue to do what is wrong for themselves and everyone else.

    I am an activist of many things.. civil liberties, cooperative movement, American rights...

    But, again... not enough activists, and too many sheep. I've always loved how the sheep roll over for the big, bad, wolf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noa View Post
    This is what I find so offensive: nobody knows the business better than the women who are working the sites right now. Not three years ago or ten years ago, but now. The moment we log on, we get direct input about the state of the business as it relates to us. We can determine what is working and what is not. We can guess at the causes of change, tweak our business to test that, then reject those guesses. And if we're generous, we can share what we learned with others.
    I currently work many sites, and have done so for quite some time. Anyone that knows anything REALLY... about business.. knows the FACTS about the free market and how it hurts the industry. It's simple economics- once again.

    Also, I highly doubt that even 20% of cam girls understand economics or real business.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noa View Post
    So it doesn't surprise me that the anti-MFC tirades are coming from someone who doesn't work the site. And it annoys the fuck out of me that someone who isn't on the ground getting direct feedback about the state of the site feels the need to talk down to those who are, as if we're morons ambling through MFC like a bunch of lost little lambs.

    Bambalina has said (and made it quite clear) she does use MFC and a means of income. So, null.
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    MEN looooooove public shows. They love the comrades that they get helping out this common goal, and the way they get to show off! Every model does it differently and every member does it differently. MFC is relaxed and that's why people want to stay. I have talked to SEVERAL premiums who said that if it wasn't for the free shows catching their attentions they would have never stayed at MFC and bought tokens. Members have favorites and spend all their tokens on them, and freeload in the other rooms because they have no life!!! I have plenty of free-loaders that sometimes spend absurd amounts of money in other rooms. Does that make me frustrated? YES! Is it because of free shows? No, its because members give the models they have a connection with money!
    I'll tell you this much. I've gotten PMs from men thinking MFC is complete bullshit, and is turning ridiculously disgusting. MFC is like a fucking free-for-all. In fact, it's EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. I'll be more than happy to forward the PM to you if you'd like to see the customer perspective.

    Customers HATE (especially big spenders) HATE that only 50% goes to the model. Absolutely fucking despises it.

    You guys are ruining yourselves, your livelihoods, and your product value. Deny it all you want.

    You do realize that the government (even MFC!) They don't want you to be independent- they want you to be dependent as POSSIBLE... it's easier to fuck you that way!

    Think of it this way:

    Your mother in law buys you and your new hubby a house... she says "It's for you!.. I just want you guys to be happy" But then... your mother in law starts showing up on your door step once a month.. then every Saturday morning at 9am... then she's there 3 nights a week for dinner... I mean shit... she bought the house after all.

    You just started a new job and the CEO recognizes you being an awesome secretary to him, so he gives you a raise... awesome right? Then, a few months later, he gives you another raise! Then... he starts looking down your shirt. But it's okay cuz you gets lots of money! Then, you're just so awesome, efficient, and intelligent- that he promotes you ... HOLY SHIT! .... but he wants you to stay late after hours, which is cool.. you know.. you need the money.. but then.......... he wants you to start sucking his dick! OMG! Well, I mean.. shit... you make all that money, have that nice office, you aren't married, he's kind of cute, right? ... WRONG.

    Same thing. They give give give... so they can take take take.
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    I like mfc's platform. I think the issue is there are those who are in this for the long term (I want to be an AspenRae) and those who are in this short term (fuck this shit, I finished school, next year I'm going "vanilla").

    I wouldn't expect those in this for the sprint to care about the problems of the "penetration shows" in free chat being a problem as long as it's a bank. I myself would prefer non penetration shows in free and the former to be in private. No one's perfect, but from what I see people are arguing for the right now so I assume their on the sprint track.

    If you're in it for the long run, then you probably should care, where the cam industry turns. I do admit there is no easy way to change the game from where it stands right now. If doing what I've been doing helps, then that's cool, but I never been one to liken into a union.

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    NOTHING worth fighting for is easy. Let me just drop a few questions.... (although, the FACTS, NUMBERS, and PROJECTIONS don't matter to sheep, pawns, and armies.. all that matters is the bottom dollar line, and of course.. going under attack for your leader.. but I digress..)

    When was the last time you saw a GREAT movie with a GREAT SCRIPT?!
    When was the last time you went to the dollar store and bought a product that was better than $150 version?

    How some of us view this adult ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY is stupid. ENTERTAINMENT. BUSINESS. If you were some other form of entertainer... would you like it if someone was giving away your product for free? Would you be upset if you spent 10 million to make a movie that only made 5 million in revenue because some asshole kid decided to upload your movie to the net?

    Or what if you opened the best fucking pizza place in town and someone stole your recipe and opened one of their own charging 90% LESS than your product? Sure, it's inferior in most ways.. but money is the bottom line for consumers.

    You don't want to pay higher taxes - but you want your kids to have good schools, you want your roads to be fixed, your trash to be taken to the dump, clean water to drink, parks to play in, etc... do you think faeries come and do all these jobs for free? Of course not.


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    I Love you Roast!

    The time Bam puts into these threads she could have already built out her own cam site. Instead she is busy trying to tell an owner how to run his successful business.

    Start all the threads you want on the subject isnt going to get the hundreds of girls you want to leave MFC.

    Rant after Rant just seems pointless after a while.

    Running a successful site in porn that makes money is hard to do. Yet, Bam thinks she can do it. So go off and do it.

    Bam has her hustle on alright, she is busy trying to hustle all of us.

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    ^^ Sam... your posts are so pointless. You have no real facts, input, opinions, or justifications.

    You should really brush up on economics and politics before you run around talking out of your bottom.
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    Blankstare all you are is a bully. I see you bully many others on here who do not agree with you. Being a bully doesn't make you right, just makes you mean.

    Adult has changed over the years. Used to hear all the owners bitch and cry about how the internet ruined DVD sales and so many stuck to DVDs until they were way to late to join in the web porn bubble busted too.

    MFC changed camming. You and Bam want it to go back to the way it was. It will never go back to that way. Industries all change, all evolve. Continue to be stuck in the past...

    I love camming> I love camming on MFC. I have a blast. That site has given back to me the joy of this job again. Clearly ya'll don't get the guys or the girls on there at all, so be it.

    Last night I turned a freeloader into a public tipper, then he took me private for a good long time. All it took was a bottle of baby oil and my smile, unlike other sites where the guys demand holes filled with the biggest toys. I did very little and had a blast, hehe so did he.

    Ladies, don't bother wasting your time arguing with these two. It is a waste of time.

    Here is a cold hard fact for you. MFC pays my bills.

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    Oh really, Sam? Whom have I bullied? ( you, and anyone else is more than welcome to look at my post stats..) Other than N-n-J, I have never said anything that could be considered even half-ass bullying. (and even then, it wasn't bullying in my eyes.. it was debating and debunking a liar) I am a VERY nice woman, and I am sympathetic to all issues about women. Seems as if you are running under the term 'bullying' because you do not have the capacity to debate and take it as we're being 'mean'.

    You are just completely uneducated about anything having to do with money, business, or politics. I find this extremely discomforting.. as I do with most people who are as blind as you are. Be simple if you must... shit, that's what pays your bills


    You are surely either dense or just don't like to read...

    I don't want camming to go back into time. Everything has a season, change is expected. What *I* want (and I cannot speak for Bam) is women to get a fucking grip... your body is worth more.

    Read other posts of mine,... I like the women that do not do MASTURBATION/INSERTION shows in PUBLIC. You want to be naked, rubbing oil on yourself.. cool. I'm all for that. But if you are plunging baseball bats into your cooter for all to see.. well, there is where the problem lies. I know that's a hard concept to grasp, isn't it?
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    Look at musicians. There are some one the streets of New York playing for free, playing for change. Then there are those who are performing at Madison Square Gardens getting paid millions.

    Now, does the Star of Madison Square Gardens worry about the free shows on the street?

    Could that person playing for free on the street someday end up playing a concert hall making millions? Yes

    A girl shoving a baseball bat up her ass has nothing to do with me. Nor do I ever try to compare myself with someone who is willing to do so much for free.

    There are girls in porn willing to fuck and suck the whole crew off on shoots. I dont, yet I still get work and they dont.

    How you see yourself. How you hustle is up to each gal. There are some gals who will do it all for free on a social networks cam, that will never be me.

    Look at prostitution. There are street walkers who charge $20 for a bj & fuck. I see them, some are cute young gals, some are 60 year old hags. Now does a high end escort compare herself and price her goodies the same? NO She may charge $500 to $1000 and not even do as much.

    Everybodies hustle is different.

    When I 1st heard of MFC I too thought it would ruin the industry. Yet, I now work on it. Do way less that I have to on other cam sites. Most of my privates and group shows are more about shaking my ass than stuffing it or the pussy. Way easier on my body.

    Heck, a man can go to any bar and try to have sex with a REAL girl in person. He doesn't have to log onto a computer to get off. Yet, hookers, call girls, high end escorts all still make money.

    Just because one gals does crazy stuff in public show, doesn't mean you have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Look at musicians. There are some one the streets of New York playing for free, playing for change. Then there are those who are performing at Madison Square Gardens getting paid millions.

    Now, does the Star of Madison Square Gardens worry about the free shows on the street?
    I bet you that star is worried about someone bringing in video recording devices, and ticket scalpers, etc. Yes. Again, you are skirting the real issues of a free-market.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    A girl shoving a baseball bat up her ass has nothing to do with me. Nor do I ever try to compare myself with someone who is willing to do so much for free.

    There are girls in porn willing to fuck and suck the whole crew off on shoots. I dont, yet I still get work and they dont.
    You are right. There are always going to be girls that are willing to do more for less. So, when a guy comes into your room and starts harassing you to do more.. well..
    Also, there are always people looking to save a buck and are pretty willing to keep their credit cards in their pockets and watch the free girls do their thing... they find much amusement in the rat race.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Look at prostitution. There are street walkers who charge $20 for a bj & fuck. I see them, some are cute young gals, some are 60 year old hags. Now does a high end escort compare herself and price her goodies the same? NO She may charge $500 to $1000 and not even do as much.
    mmmhmm.. what's the point? I bet you the average (pretty, non-drug using) street walker brings in more money than an escort right now.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    When I 1st heard of MFC I too thought it would ruin the industry. Yet, I now work on it. Do way less that I have to on other cam sites. Most of my privates and group shows are more about shaking my ass than stuffing it or the pussy. Way easier on my body.

    Heck, a man can go to any bar and try to have sex with a REAL girl in person. He doesn't have to log onto a computer to get off. Yet, hookers, call girls, high end escorts all still make money.

    Just because one gals does crazy stuff in public show, doesn't mean you have to.

    Sam
    You are right here again, Sam. Just because one does it, doesn't mean the others need to follow suit. But, in the world of business and reality- when you DEVALUE the PRODUCT as a WHOLE... you in return DEVALUE the REST.

    Example (as shown above): You develop a recipe for the best pizza on earth.. you charge $20 per pizza and you make $5 profit on every pizza sold. Then, someone reverse engineers your pizza recipe and adapts it into their own pizza. They use ingredients that are inferior- but cost effective, and charge $15 for their pizza that tastes almost identical to yours, and makes $5 profit on theirs, even while being cheaper.

    The public starts going across the street, because the bottom line for average wage-earners, is price. Let's be reminded that the middle class is the majority...

    Millionaires make up 1% of the highest earners in America. 1%. So we are arguing that this group consisting of 1% are the ones that are supposed to support ALL of us? These so-called 'WHALES'...? Remember, there's only a few to go around!

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    I hesitate to even join the fray but this is getting pretty laughable. Agree to disagree. There is no point in continuing to debate this. Its like for every 1 "thing" you sell you give say, 10 away. If an adult is unable to see any fallible logic in that... well they just cant. And I would think its a waste of productive energy to attempt to convince them. There does not need to be a consensus. Just my 2 cent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaebabii View Post
    Say u guys do all that...I can tell u right now that the top girls aren't going to change what they are doing when they are making minimum of $30,000 a month. So what i'm wondering is...if u girls do this, don't you think it's going to run all the guys more in the direction of the top girls that AREN'T changing what they do? SO now what has that accomplished?? Even more money for the top girls and even less money for u guys. Not trying to offend anyone..i'm just thinking that that might be a possibility. =)
    well being that there are about 15 or 20 of them i dont think it matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoverCam View Post
    I'm sorry Bamb, but your post said the same thing over and over again quite hysterically. Am I ashamed for not following the rules? No.
    My post said the same thing over and over because it is OBVIOUS that there is ZERO business understanding in the people who argue this point. ONE business class would teach you how supply and demand work and show you hundreds of examples of it in action. And you would not be able to just deny the existence of a well know principle of business.

    This is what you constantly do to support the selfishness and greed that causes you to break your word to others, break the rules on a site you agreed to rules on, and generally just screw every other girl but yourself and accuse me of sticking MY nose where it doesn't belong.

    I take privates and groups, but nothing beats public shows. Its where the real money is at & honestly where most of my clients are too. I have multiple guys that REFUSE to take me private/group but will plunk down 1-2k tokens a night for a show
    All of that, in fact ALL of this stuff is said from the point of view of Public Shows which BREAK the rules being ALLOWED...If they are shut down, those guys will HAVE to spend tokens for privates or groups or they don;t see ANY MORE cum shows, PERIOD. So you talk BS. Because if things were different, these guys tunes would change so fast it would make your head spin.


    No matter how much time you waste trying to rally the troupes its not going to work. You should honestly just focus on how you are going to make the best of being your own camgirl and own site owner. Nobody should try to butt their noses into a successful camgirl's room and say "nuuuh uh! You are doing it wrong! I'm telling on you!!!"
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    That has been said to every union organizer EVER. By the negative people who cannot see past their own noses.

    They break the rules, they signed for those rules, MFC guarantees a certain environment for Camming. Period. So to claim I am butting my nose in by demanding what EVERYONE agreed on, is ridiculous.

    And tell Fridays that it's not going to work...she is DOING it, right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    And tell Fridays that it's not going to work...she is DOING it, right now!
    excuse me?

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    I hate when people think that capitalizing words THAT THEY THINK ARE IMPORTANT will make their argument sound better. It's interesting to me that the two people accused of being "bullies" both do that.
    Capitalizing RANDOM words doesn't MAKE your argument sound ANY more convincing. It just MAKES you LOOK like you can't DEFEND your side of the argument without screaming.

    Now, TO make my argument LOOK even more convincing, I'll end this statement with the word "Period". Except, I'll capitalize IT so people will know HOW serious I am! PERIOD!

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    (I know that really added nothing relevant to the discussion so forgive me, but it's a pet peeve of mine..so I had to let it out. Period (hehe..))

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahJean View Post
    I hate when people think that capitalizing words THAT THEY THINK ARE IMPORTANT will make their argument sound better. It's interesting to me that the two people accused of being "bullies" both do that.
    I know you are new and everything, but please check the 'bullies' post stats before making rash judgments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noa View Post
    Looks like Bambalina's confusing fact with theory. Hard to argue business strategy with someone who (1) goes batshit and (2) can't differentiate fact from theory.
    (1)Just because I write a lot, does not make me "batshit"...how offensive..

    (2)Supply and demand is fact. You are an idiot for saying otherwise. Gravity is not a THEORY, it is a fact, even though there is a Theory of Gravity. Duh.

    This is what I find so offensive: nobody knows the business better than the women who are working the sites right now. Not three years ago or ten years ago, but now.
    This is what I find so offensive. THere are threads EVERY week for two years pretty much, including RIGHT NOW, on how badly the money from MFC has dropped and is TERRIBLE, and how even though we're coming out of the recession and other businesses are picking up ours is WORSE, and how this summer (less recession) is worse than last summer (more recession)...and yet some just call it a summer slump...

    Wanna BET there will be a big fat thread this fall about how this fall SUCKS compared to last fall?

    And you cannot trust mass groups to police themselves...We had a HUGE housing bubble, and people decide they can afford mortgages they clearly cannot and the stock market crashes regularly, all to prove people do not police themselves well.

    Camgirls get on MFC and MANY MANY see that they make less than they did a week or month or year or 3 years or 10 years before. And without TIME my dear, we cannot see if it gets BETTER or WORSE, so you argument is senseless..

    We can determine what is working and what is not.
    No, you can determine what, WITHIN THE PRESENT *BROKEN* MODEL, is working and what is not. You can;t determine what fixing the BROKEN model would do.

    So it doesn't surprise me that the anti-MFC tirades are coming from someone who doesn't work the site.
    This is why I ignore people.

    I said just yesterday, that I make a GOOD percentage of my living directly from MFC, and you ignore me and spread lies instead.

    And it annoys the fuck out of me that someone who isn't on the ground getting direct feedback about the state of the site feels the need to talk down to those who are, as if we're morons ambling through MFC like a bunch of lost little lambs.

    First off...I get more feedback than you since I work with SEVERAL girls on the site and make my living from it. So YOU telling lies and babbling "annoys the fuck out of me" (batshit much?) when I have clearly said I make money directly from MY account on MFC...

    Not worth it....learn to listen/read...

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    I really don't understand you ladies - the bottom line is that you're giving away your body away for free to people who do not deserve to see your body at all.

    Out of maybe the 10 - 50 people who actually tipped you to help you reach your goal, you allow 300+ freeloaders to wank off to you. It's disgusting.

    The whole reason we cam is because we are selling our body! Keyword here: Sell. Not to splay it all out for 500 people who have NOT paid to see it all for free.


    Think of it as a customer point of view too, if you were going to a movie theater - you really, really wanted to see this movie and you go ahead and pay $12 for a ticket.

    The theater has 10 other people pay for the ticket price and then goes ahead and starts the show. But then as it's starting they open up the line and allow the room to fill up for the people outside and allow them to sit in and watch for free.

    How would that make you feel? In my mind I would be pissed as hell that *I* had to plop down my hard earned cash when some other fucker got a free ride into something *I* fucking paid for.

    And you know what it would make me do? Definitely NOT pay for another show, ever. I would stand outside with the rest of the freeloader line until I got to see what I wanted to see.


    And that is essentially what we are teaching these men. That they don't have to pay for anything these days, because they will eventually get it.

    And with 1,000 girls online doing cum shows they don't have to wait around to see free pussy. There is no incentive to spend when you'll just lollygag in a models room and wait for the white knight to complete the topic goal.


    I don't understand some of the anger towards wanting to change this.







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    Default Re: The MFC "crusade" - How do we do it? "Make them Change" that is...

    Quote Originally Posted by LoverCam View Post

    MEN looooooove public shows.
    Men loooooove freebies dear, not because it's a "public show."

    Oh yes, he tipped you and helped you reach your goal. How sweet. But how much did he really tip you? $10? Whoop-dee-doo.

    A public show is the Savannah watering hole for cheap bastards. $5, $1, $1, $2, $10, $1, $1, $20 - WOW, $1, $1, $1, $3, 0.50 (lol).

    How reliable are those $100 / $200 / $500 tippers. No one, realistically has that kind of money to drop on you each and every night. That is a rare thing. Unless you do mad promo like Devon or Aspen (Which costs $ too) it's rare that you will see that kind of money on a regular, consistent basis.

    Bottom line is that you should never be trying to sustain yourself on tips. A per minute wage is steady, everyone is equalized and everyone is PAYING for what they want.

    So you gals all have fans huh? Are you REALLY asking too much from them to do a group show? It's 10 fucking tokens per minute. Then you will have ALL of your fans supporting you.



    Your public show "fans" are just cheerleaders rah-rah'ing with their dicks while they get to watch the Superbowl game for free.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    excuse me?
    They said that doing something to fix the "free show thing" on MFC can't work. And since you are ALREADY doing something and it is ALREADY working, I am telling them to go to you and tell you how it can;t work WHILE you are doing it and it IS working...

    Being supportive.

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    OK I understand both sides of this.

    MFC girls make bank because of the number of guys that will eventually tip. I got this too. My point is if you get girls from other sites that will not do toy shows etc the sign up to MFC and help us change it.

    I don't feel it's right to be off the site and tell MFC models to change something you're not apart of. This is my only point.

    Lead the change or the argument isn't going to be respected because you're not down in the trenches with us.

    I will say personally I've done less then any other site i've been on and I made more with MFC then any other site I've been on. 87% with clothing on. I don't get tips on the regular sites but get privates for real full on toy action.

    It's not so easy at first but when it rains it pours and you are shocked when guys tip because they like your smile or you told them to tip.

    So if you want more models to not be nude or not do free toy shows then when are you signing up? Are you going to bring 200-500 models with you that will change the face of mfc for good?

    I personally freaked when I saw girls doing stuff in free and I was like damn how the hell am I going to make money compared to these women. But still I joined and I still make my paper faster and with less coming off. It wasn't easy at first but then people got to like my style.

    I don't have an issue with you wanting to change things but I don't feel it's right to do it from the side lines as some of these girls loose money and camscore because they decide to change things. I dont' have an issue with what others do because it's what makes them money. Yes I wish it wasn't necessary but it pays their bills so who am I to tell someone not to pay their bills because it may affect mine in the future? Guys are still on SM because they like SM don't think they don't know about MFC. They just want something that every guy doesn't get to see and that's why they are there. When they don't feel like playing they go to MFC and hang out with other guys to tip.

    Also why can't SM pay their models more then 35% And MFC is paying 50-75%? I'm not trying to compare here but it's usually MFC vs SM.

    The only reason why I haven't signed up for SM is because the site records your shows just like MFC but they actually put your shit up on tube sites for free.
    30 seconds of freebie pop ins
    and that whole Motherless site wasn't even funny.

    So I'm curious what's the difference with SM uploading your privates to free tube sites that guys will jack offf to watching for free and someone doing a dildo show in Free chat on MFC?

    Neither option works for me which is why I do neither.

    Now a guy can record your MFC show and do the same thing. Hell there are guys to come in to record to put the vids on site they charge 19.99 a month for. So yes someone is always going to try to make extra money off of a model.

    Now the SM's Party Chat seems like a great tool but again that 30- 35% bothers the hell out of me. I mean do they really need 65-70% to run their site? But what I'm saying is not going to stop models from working there because it pays their bills.

    IF was the place to be a while back at 50% (35% guaranteed even if the card is stolen) but they don't have the traffic anymore. So there's that.

    I heard too much stuff about JL's refunds so I'm not even going there and Imlive's required .56 per min payout for a limited time. And once you go up to 4.99 you loose about 90% of your traffic. Also I think they are 35% too.

    So again all sites have their pluses and minuses. But realistically they are not all that different. It's just that with MFC's traffic you get more opportunity to bank faster for doing alot less. And $6.00-8.00 privates where you get atleast 50% of that? Who wouldn't want that?

    I'm not trying to turn this into a comparison thread I just wanted to list the pros and cons and say we're all having our shows watched from FREE to some degree.

    Now who has a better site to list? I'm always looking to join a new site. Any ideas???



    Some guys are don't even need to see full on stuff on MFC they can go to a regular site and get off to you saying hello.

    So if you want to lead then join the fight. But don't send off people to die and say ooh well , it was worth a shot. My question is who is going to give these models money to cover the loss.

    No other site has a camscore but mfc and tips keep it going up . Meaning it keeps your traffic going up too. No traffic? = you struggle to survive and you move further down the page.

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    Now what percent out of all of you will log on tonight and earn Leo money?
    You know every token you earn goes to supporting this site.
    Do you realize you are keeping it going.

    I hate seeing people ive known on this site for a long time
    picking away at each other over one site...
    Thats the glamour of camming , if you dont like on site
    go to the next...
    But no , You want to stay on a site , and change it??
    The reason you make what you do on their , is because its like it is...

    And another thing, Theres been allot of bitching about top models...
    What do you want to do , X out all competition?
    I heard someone say once "Im tired of competing against a fuck machine..
    That just means their doing their job better..
    And if you meant it literally... Then buy one... Its a investment, I own 2.


    So either kill off anyone that doesn't perform the way YOU want them too,
    Or make your own cam site , pay the fees , and make the rules..


    And stop fighting with each other , This used to be such a GREAT forum... Now its slumpy...
    Its a headache to even log on here anymore... =[
    Americanmade18 on most sites.

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