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    Don't bitch at other camgirls for what they do.

    Don't hate on girls for making more money than you, because there will always be someone who makes more money than you.

    Don't turn this debate into a false choice. Don't turn it into a Top Girls Versus the REST.

    Don't tell us that if we don't like it we should leave, because we (most of us anyway) live in a free society where we have a right to redress our grievances...in other words, to bitch, moan, complain, make petitions, go to the media, use mfc mail, call Leo, post on forums, etc. If we CAN change things, we have a right to do it.

    Don't think I hate/judge/blame any woman for what she does to make her money. IF I blame any women, it would be the first few who ignored the rules and broke them, and then it ALL goes on MFC for dropping the ball and stopping enforcement of the rules.

    If you make rules which state the environment for models and customers WILL be X (X being WHATEVER the rules state) and you say that it is not acceptable on your site for Y,Z, and Q to happen EVER, and that X will be how it happens on this site and girls who do X will be comfy and not have to worry about competition from Y,Z and Q...and then you completely turn a blind eye and Y,Z and Q are happening all the time, the girls who expect ONLY X to happen have a right to complain.

    But this isn't the point. The point (yet again the broken record must skip and repeat this) is that there is a finite number of cam CUSTOMERS. If you give any of them a free show, and they get off, and didn't tip you, then you made it so that guy who normally spends money does NOT. That is dumb. Bad Business. Poor choice. And it hurts and affects camgirls everywhere.

    You don't have a RIGHT to do that.

    MFC says you are breaking the RULES if you do that.

    You are breaking your word, in signing a contract that said you would NOT do that.

    It changes supply and demand if you do that.

    It hurts our business if you do that. Whether or not you realize it or accept it, it hurts YOU if you do that.

    And there are Rules in place, and You BROKE them. How can you just defend that? Or tell others they are wrong for calling you BREAKING THE RULES we ALL agreed to?

    People run red lights all the time...and they say "ah, I just was a few second late" and people get smashed in car wrecks from it quite a bit...but people say "aw, no need to follow the Rules" and then the city puts up Red Light Cameras and EVERYONE who runs Red Lights gets tickets for a little while...but in the end, guess how many people die in accidents from Red Lights being Run? ZERO. Because people stop running reb lights when the rules are enforced.

    This fight isn't over for me till Leo tells his mods to start handing out 3 day bans like they used to. Or fines, like they used to. Because THAT will make it suddenly go away...Just. Like. THAT!

    See, this whole wanton breaking of the rules...You act like it's always been like this...but it HASN'T and I wish a few other ladies who have been on MFC for over 2 years would step up and say how this is really new, and getting much much much worse daily. Every day they don;t enforce it gets worse, until women fuck their ass till it BLEEDS (that was posted on her, and NOT by me) and Lesbian Shows get ZERO tips (also posted on here in the last few days) and children appear in profiles (again, from here and not posted by me). It will get worse and worse because the lowest common denominator is allowed to prevail, and it just can't work and makes camming not viable.

    So have a nice day ladies, but I'm not giving up. This is going to go on till MFC is truly ruined, or truly fixed.

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    Default Re: The MFC "crusade" - How do we do it? "Make them Change" that is...

    Dont tell you if you dont like it you should leave huh?
    Lol if you dont like it , Why the heck would you stay!?!? (Besides the fact your body pays for the site)

    If you can answer this with "because i make money"
    Then why does it matter?
    Wouldn't you want to use your time MAKING MONEY, Instead of
    trying to change something , that wont.

    Besides from that , Dont you think the girls who have to "Fist ass for 10 tokens"
    have a reason..
    Most of those girls are from 3rd world countries.. Who make 2-5% TOPS
    That cant feed their kids, and cant get another job.. Give them a fucking break.
    Why is it up to any of you to deiced how they cam.. This is the PORN industry , Not
    a convent.
    Rules are broken, Big deal...

    You go ahead and ruin a site , Some girls use to feed their children..
    that sounds really fair.
    Americanmade18 on most sites.

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    Buffy, while you have every right to reply to any of my posts any way you see fit, and I consider you a friend, please realize that my reply was NOT intended to be directed at YOU...or at least only very minorly so....Juss Sayin'

    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyFlame View Post
    Dont tell you if you dont like it you should leave huh?
    Lol if you dont like it , Why the heck would you stay!?!? (Besides the fact your body pays for the site)
    Well honestly, it is the "best of a bad lot" but that still doesn't mean I won't try to improve it.

    I like MFC a lot. I mean I really think they have a great thing going. But the free shows ruin camming and destroy our business and are just not right or fair from that standpoint.

    Also, if you like something and it gets screwed up, you try to fix it...right? You don't just fucking abandon it...At least I don't...I will do my best to fix it...

    If you can answer this with "because i make money"
    Then why does it matter?
    Because I am an old broad and I know damn well we can EASILY make double/triple/quadruple what we make now. I know because I HAVE.

    Besides from that , Dont you think the girls who have to "Fist ass for 10 tokens"
    have a reason..
    Most of those girls are from 3rd world countries.. Who make 2-5% TOPS
    That cant feed their kids, and cant get another job.. Give them a fucking break.
    Why is it up to any of you to deiced how they cam..
    It is the people who do free shows with penetration that decide that. It is the damn Dildo that makes them have to go to the extreme of Fisting for 10 tokens. You prove MY point. Not the other way around.

    Those girls used to flash on sites where there was no nudity to get those tips, and now that the standard is DILDO FUCK SHOWS for FREE, what do those girls have to do to make money??? FIST FUCK themselves or eat and drink their own piss and shit, because now we've seen both since the free shows started.

    If it goes back to NO penetration and no Masturbation, they will go back to nude dances for their tips. And the world will be a better place for it.

    This is the PORN industry , Not
    a convent.
    Rules are broken, Big deal...
    It IS a big deal, ESPECIALLY in Porn, where we live on the edge of danger and deal with people who are the fringe of society and who may not be the best of people. The one thing we DO have is rules on these sites...in a world where they take everything they can from women, the ONE THING we have is a set of fucking rules we can rely on to keep our industry safe from becoming like the goddamn tube sites.

    You go ahead and ruin a site , Some girls use to feed their children..
    that sounds really fair.
    You are smarter than this. It is the free shows that RUIN the site, so using your smarts to turn things around like that is just wrong.

    The girls who feed their children and live in third world countries, they LOVE when CandyCane does a Lesbian show and steals 3000 customers into her room...When Aspen fucks herself silly for 5000 guys and the fucking video freezes because too many are in there. When that happens and girls who normally have 25 premiums in their room only have 5, think what happens to the woman who needs to feed her children!

    The damn rules are there for a reason. And if you don't want to accept it, fine. But it's the truth.

    Fuck shows that break the rules and steal customers from all the rooms on MFC...those are REAL fair...

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    Wow,

    You are like the holy grail of batshit crazy crusader!

    The mom's that can't make a living off of MFC will find other camsites to feed their bellies and be happy making 20-150 dollars an hour at cams, webcams, sm, naked, and all the other webcam sites where they still will make way over what their normal minimum wage is.

    You sound mega butt-hurt that you aren't doing as good as the top models that are doing public shows.

    MFC is a popularity contest, and apparently since you aren't pretty enough or captivating enough you want to be a snitch and rat (even when the admins don't give a crap!) You would be the girl in the highschool that petitions for school uniforms because the slutty girls are getting too much attention. Who cares?

    Seriously though, prettier and prettier girls are signing up for MFC so yes the ordinary, plain girls are getting squished out (although there are exceptions like agent99), but you want to blame the over saturation of market on free shows... uhm no! Free shows is what is making the real money on MFC, and keeping the premiums to stay!

    Who is going to pick some ordinary girl when there is Skye_Evans (omg so pretty!), Aspen, KissKara, Posie, Felicity, Austin White, Jaylyn, lovelykittie, CamwithCarmen, Gisele, TJheart, GoddessZoey, CrazySysy (soo looks like Eva Longoria!), and the other 3-4 rows of hot babes. It is much harder to get noticed now because you are competing with straight up model material!! I know personally I struggle with keeping skinny, beautiful make-up, hair, and dressed to the max. But I try, and make a damn good living off of it.

    MFC is a high-end camsite now with some of the prettiest models in the industry. MFC needs to pull a plug on accepting every single model and reduce the model pool to 2 pages at least! Webcamming is BOOMING and I'm sorry you aren't making a profit off of that.

    Now I will continue to do public shows, privates, groups and make my money the way I want to. This post may have sounded harsh, but its reality no matter how many times you scream FACTS! Because I know for a FACT that after I do a public show I get 30+ people in my group for penetration and more hardcore stuff. If I didn't do a public show then I get 10 people. I'm not going to ruin my business because of another camgirl that can't keep up. I'm sorry you are my competitor not my friend so why should I play by the rules and shoot myself in the foot? Are you going to come pay my bills?

    Besides if your economics rant really applied to MFC don't you think Aspen and Jaylyn would have already ran out of tippers?

    This is my last post on this matter so I'm gonna go spend more my time getting ready for MY show to make it awesome and make the big bucks. So feel free to waste your time to pick apart this post! I'm off to make Money money money!!

    Happy crusading and best of luck to you in this waste of time!

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    Okay this is my last post for real. lolz.

    In my honest opinion, the only thing that needs to be changed is the rules & add an entrance page, and maybe even add a feature like partychat. MFC is not changing, and I will be happy when people stop bitching about how it used to be instead of trying to make the best out of what it already is.

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    The thing that makes me sad about all of this is the fighting and anger towards both sides. Can't one side respect the other sides POV, and vice versa? Why does this have to turn into a bitchfest? I mean I'm on both sides...I see both POV's...but coming on SW and seeing like 5 threads FULL of back and forth arguing thats going nowhere makes me feel that BOTH sides are "batshit crazy". You all have the right to disagree with each other but the lack of respect is annoying. Not to mention, do you even know how many guys have PM'ed me on MFC to say "hey I've seen all of the drama going on at that Stripperweb site, how do you deal with being on a forum full of bitches?". Do you even REALIZE that the custies are now seeing you guys act like this?

    Bamb, I truly wish you well on your crusade. I understand why you're doing it, and I hope that some changes ARE made on MFC. To the girls who oppose it, I understand your fears and concerns, and I hope that the changes that may be made don't affect your business. But for now, I'm gonna peace out for a bit because all of this MFC drama is getting a bit too much! I love SW, it should be full of girls who are UNITED...we dont' always have to agree with each other, or want the same things...but if you can't just be respectful while you debate, then its not really doing anything but break our unit up.

    Sorry for the rant. Love you girls. Just hate the dramz.

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    This thread has given me a headache, and I barely skimmed the last half of it. Just wanted to point out a little something here - has anybody noticed that Posie just came in at #1? I check in her room daily and for those of you who havent -

    The most hardcore thing I have ever seen in her room is a nipple here and there. I have never seen her take her top completely off. She dances around the entire time in panties and a tshirt. She hardly even talks. I dont think Ive even seen her do a group or private show. I'm pretty sure she doesnt even OWN A DILDO. Shes a brunette cutie with glasses and a shy personality, and the men adore her.

    Sooooo yeah, that really supports the theory that every camgirl is slowly being 'forced' to cram cucumbers in their twats in free chat to make money.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SadieN View Post
    I'm pretty sure she doesnt even OWN A DILDO.
    LOL


    Quote Originally Posted by SadieN View Post
    Sooooo yeah, that really supports the theory that every camgirl is slowly being 'forced' to cram cucumbers in their twats in free chat to make money.....
    We're not saying anyone is forced to do anything. Obviously the women are doing it on their own merit. But the *few* girls that don't do public shows are all good... it's the ones that DO- that we're upset about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    Part of the reason I use the white knights analogy is that pretty much most of what Bambalina is saying here is being cheered by the CGN anti-cam-crusaders/white knights/anti-feminist/obsessive readers of Cam Girl Notes/ CGN who is a decent chunk of the reason why we even needed to create a Camming Connection section to keep them out from participating. Given the fallout of the handful of times CGU mods (*not* CoolBreeze, he actually does not think we're stupid) have tried posting on our forums, its really telling that they're one of B's biggest backers.

    They will copy and paste most of what is written here, dissect it, debate it, comment on how camgirls 'finally get it', post the most random pics of naked camgirls and women, and cheer Bambalina (not a cam model) on. I barely see any cam girls in those threads period.

    We're referenced there pretty heavily pretty much daily... so yes, customers and freeloaders watch these threads like hawks.

    So to echo Noa and echo earlier sentiments: work with the models themselves, this white knight crap is so tired, I am so over being told what to do and how to do it and being taught about my own industry by people who have never been in it or sat through a multi-hour cam shift. Similarly the shepherd to new pastures analogy was accurate.

    I've been disillusioned by Bamb's promises multiple times over, her saying that the media is now involved and something will happen 'any second', her using collective terminology (which is an ideology I support in my personal life), her saying that CamWealth & Streamate will be sued because she has movement on it, that her site is about to break (Ive seen your work Bambalina as its linked on CGU - I don't believe you have the design skills or capacity to make an indy cam girls website), that the union is going full steam, etc.

    It took me two weeks to launch a whitelabel site that also has listings for a small group of models from a listserv I'm on - and I do this part time because of other commitments and am not computer whiz by any means... the total cost was under $150 (including graphic design and some ad space) and we all share the passwords to keep it updated. I mean, come on.

    The people who will actually have movement behind this stuff are wellknown sex worker activists. SWOP, Desiree Alliance, SWOP international chapters, Audacia Ray, Violet Blue, Melissa Gira Grant, and others. Those folks have credibility of actually being in the trenches, are supported by many many many sex workers worldwide, have media and negotiating training, etc. They are able to engage to sex work activism while simultaneously supporting ant0sex trafficking efforts and not combining the two into one line of thinking. Not one has an established history of telling sex workers they're essentially too stupid to get their own industry, siding with consumers over performers, talking down, riding the wild waves of White Knight male entitlement and condescension (hey CGN, how ya'll doing, UL you sign in daily here you must be pissed you can't post anymore and tell us to stfu, eh?).

    Where people are coming from is critical to movements having any motion. An inability to listen or be humble will keep you from converting people who have a voice. Not all of us are just pixels, some of us are involved in sex worker activism offline, some of us have resources offline that can have this build momentum - isolating the people who post about making $$ on MFC and other sites because their arguments or positions are inconvenient to you will make the movement fail.

    Personally I support people doing whatever they want to fix MFC in the ways they want. Ill say that probably Im the only real bully in this thread because I have no issue with the petition or thinking behind why MFC should change - my problem is that this is B's cycle and Ive seen so many get so swept up by its fervor then crash when it goes no where.... and it bothers me. And its not that It doesnt go anywhere because 'we don't care enough' or any of that hogwash - what I mean the promises made that many will wait to come to light, the repeatedly changing deadlines that expire, the comments about things happening any minute not ever happening, her suddenly not having internet access for a month (as a website owner whose business is supposedly all online? seriously?), etc. BlankStare isn't a bully at all, she just wants sh!t done and sh!t changed now and I applaud her enthusiasm since she's uh... actually a worker in this industry.

    However, for those who are holding out on Bambalina's long rants having any substance beyond furious typing: don't. I made that mistake. I foolishly did during the CamWealth privacy explosion and held out hoping for some traction on all of the promises and noise (which uh actually had a direct day to day consequence for me, it wasn't 'theoretical' or some armchair ramblings... that sh!t was real), same with Streamate, same with discussions about a union, and nothing happened.

    I was initially irritated when camgirls questioned B's history and commitment (Supabyoch was probably the first, then several others) but then was flabbergasted by a lack of followthrough, erratic emotional outburst, discovered she's not a cam model & never has been (defined by today's standards, 5+years ago I was also taking money in exchange for online fetish stuff but that did not make me a cam model by any stretch of the imagination), looked at evidence of work produced, saw a call for financial contributions, etc.

    Ive said it before - pimps come in all shapes and forms, same with snake oil salesmen

    OK, I shouldve done the dip awhile ago
    I feel you on all of this Roast. I've been here for quite some time as well. It is okay for people to make noise about things they are concerned with.. and I have (personally) never been approached by Bam in any way shape or form to take a part of any of her business ventures. Regardless of it all- she is a very intelligent woman, and I respect her for her views. I respect (most) all of the ladies here, and from time to time people need to be riled up to start thinking beyond the one way.

    I don't care about any under-lying issues that anyone has with anyone else. I only care about the disregard to the industry.. and the issues on hand. I think we all should stop mirroring ourselves from reality and going off course about the real issues. All of us should stick all the other shit to the side and focus on the true debate. I am guilty of going off-topic myself, and I apologize to anyone who had to suffer through incessant postings
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoverCam View Post
    Wow,

    You are like the holy grail of batshit crazy crusader!
    Rude, unintelligent, illogical asshole...Ignored...PLONK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    CGN anti-cam-crusaders/white knights/anti-feminist/obsessive readers of Cam Girl Notes/ CGN its really telling that they're one of B's biggest backers.
    I cannot help who enjoys my writing, who hates my writing, and why people want to oppose or follow me. I actually got BANNED from CGN's Model section...I have repeatedly insulted them for the way they do things. They read this, and I don't care if they feel insulted again. But they like that I bring up the SHIT that everyone else is afraid to discuss openly. And they re-post it. That has NOTHING to do with ME. And to insult me because people who are "white-knights" are fans of my writing is petty and childish.

    I've been disillusioned by Bamb's promises multiple times over, her saying that the media is now involved and something will happen 'any second',
    Where did I use the phrase any second? I got in touch with media contacts, they showed interest. SEVERAL people I respect here specifically asked me to hold off on any involvement with the media.

    So I did.

    Did you not see how immensely upset people became over this issue? Fear that MFC would be shut down was mongered like it was fact, and one of the women I respect and most consider friend on here said I was making her feel afraid for her livelihood.

    So I backed off and backed down.


    her using collective terminology (which is an ideology I support in my personal life),
    What about her creating a Forum specifically for Camgirls, holding bi-weekly chats, working on a collective camsite...all point to the collective forming quite nicely.

    I believe in Collective ideals and I have run collectives in other areas, and I believe that even though everyone says a Union or Collective of Sex Workers is pretty much impossible, and that sex workers are too independent and competitive to collectivize I am proving that wrong. Slow Process, but it is working.

    her saying that CamWealth & Streamate will be sued because she has movement on it,
    Please, post where I said those words. I was told that a lawyer was contacted and that lawsuits would be filed by the person leading that charge and I reported THAT. Nothing more.

    I DID however ENCOURAGE those who were wronged to sue Camwealth, and I tried to help expose the truth of how it all came about (not a hacker, but complete negligence on the part of CamWealth).

    It's funny how you post the negative of a situation, but not what I contributed in the positive.

    And that was a subject that was COMPLETELY flubbed and fucked up by CamGirlNotes. And especially by your hero...Fucking unprofessional idiots stepping all over the evidence, destroying evidence, and ruining any case women had. Whatever. What's done is done.


    that her site is about to break
    Who does it affect that I get delayed? Who does it hurt? ME....no-one else...you are still working right? I didn't fire you or stop your work or lose you any money did I?


    (Ive seen your work Bambalina as its linked on CGU - I don't believe you have the design skills or capacity to make an indy cam girls website),
    Can you show me where that link exists to MY WORK?

    Oh, and you're right! I don't have the design skills and capacity to make an indy camgirls website. I am NOT a "web designer"...I have basic to middling skills in web design, and own the Adobe Suite. Much more is needed for an Indy Site, and that has been the crux of my problem.

    But like others who say things that are useless ($100,000 servers and T3s that have nothing to do with a camsite if you HOST it somewhere), your argument is MEANINGLESS, if I hire the right person. So what is your point?

    that the union is going full steam, etc.
    Quote me asshole. Where did I ever say I had a UNION and it was going FULL STEAM. I challenge you to quote those words from anywhere I ever write. You're an absolute liar.

    I say the Collective is going well...Is that what you mean when you completely twist my words? It IS going well.


    It took me two weeks to launch a whitelabel site that also has listings for a small group of models from a listserv I'm on - and I do this part time because of other commitments and am not computer whiz by any means...
    It took me UNDER one week to get CGU up and running....So what?? You're comparing pre-built bullshit sites that come in a PACKAGE, to an ALL ORIGINAL 100% from scratch site that has features that do not exist in other sites of it's type. Apples and Ora..No...try Apples and Auto Parts...NO comparison....No templates, no nothing...from scratch. And the indy site has been sitting like 80% done, because I want the important last part to be perfect.
    Im the only real bully in this thread
    my problem is that this is B's cycle and Ive seen so many get so swept up by its fervor then crash when it goes no where.... and it bothers me.
    the repeatedly changing deadlines that expire, the comments about things happening any minute not ever happening, her suddenly not having internet access for a month (as a website owner whose business is supposedly all online? seriously?),
    However, for those who are holding out on Bambalina's long rants having any substance beyond furious typing: don't.
    I was initially irritated when camgirls questioned B's history and commitment (Supabyoch was probably the first, then several others) but then was flabbergasted by a lack of followthrough, erratic emotional outburst, discovered she's not a cam model & never has been
    And all this has WHAT to do with women on MFC doing shows that ruin camming? And how is me talking about that going to hurt anyone? I'm not promising anyone anything, except that I will keep this going and talk about it and try to make things happen. Nothing more and nothing less. So all this negativity, lies, twisting things, vitriol and outright bitchy ugliness you lay down...are worthless farts in the wind...

    Maybe you will damage my reputation. Bravo. COULD BE you even destroy it. Well, I applaud your nastiness.

    But you cannot change the facts about THIS subject which you so gleefully leap off-topic from, to bring up SHIT that has nothing to with this.

    So once again, I will post a response to what you say up there in a NEW topic, so we don;t go even FURTHER off topic here.

    The topis here is: The MFC "crusade" - How do we do it? "Make them Change" that is...

    And I don't need to DO anything if others have ideas and help the cause I support. I will...but I don't HAVE to DO anything but lead the charge as I have been. Maybe that IS my part. But either way I have tried to keep the posts on the topic of what we do to change MFC...and those who come in and say we SHOULDN'T change MFC, have NO PLACE in this thread, they should make their OWN thread and talk about that. But hey, I never even argued that they should be here, I just fact by fact and word by word argued their points and showed that they are wrong, or selfish, or otherwise have another agenda.

    So, you want to have it out and bitch out each other and have a nastyfest? Too bad. I won't play. It isn't allowed on SW and on top of it, I'm not here to gratify your ego.

    Im the only real bully in this thread
    Not the only one posting bullshit offtopic though...

    Im the only real bully in this thread
    Definitely the nastiest...especially considering I have never done anything to directly hurt you...

    Im the only real bully in this thread
    And, I'm pretty sure there is no real place for that...But I guess SW management disagrees.

    B

    PS. Why not make your next post actually factual and ON-TOPIC. Eh?

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    Default Re: The MFC "crusade" - How do we do it? "Make them Change" that is...

    Bambalina,

    I understand you want to change things back. My point is join the fight! Join MFC and bring non free chat toy shows with you. Bring 300-500 models with you too. Telling these ladies to change something you have no part of seems lousy. I understand both sides of things . If you're not going to put up your hard earned cash to support these ladies that loose camscore and tips then who will?

    I read you had a SM crusade going 8 months ago. You're not on SM either so you're telling other people to do something different when it doesn't affect your pocket when it fails? That in itself is just selfish.

    So loose money now so I can make money later? Really?

    Don't send people to fight a battle you're not participating in. JOIN MFC AND SM and be the poster girl for change. If you don't then all of this will go on deaf ears. I mean why not sign up for a premium acct yourself and tip women to keep their clothes on , or take them private? You could be the voice that starts group in someone's room.

    I don't think you're batshit. However, I do think you're selfish. Guys on most other sites know about MFC but they still go and spend on other sites.I mean why pay $8.00 for a private when you can pay $1.99 some where else?

    I'm pretty sure guys read these forums and all you're doing is making it harder. Since this went up I've seen rooms get even worse. Guys are not even tipping that much for the girls that do everything in free. But these same women are not getting privates or groups either.

    Get out of the air conditioned tent and run out in the hot ass desert sun with us because if I was one of these girls I would tell you to go f*** yourself.

    Just my 2 tokens.
    Sign... I meant 2 cents.

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    discovered she's not a cam model & never has been
    Sorry, this is an outright lie. I have cammed on cams.com, AW, and a couple other sites, and have MANAGED camgirls and directly received all income from camming for over 5 years of my life(been camming and working with camgirls for almost 10 years). I do indy work still today for customers from my past (regulars) and actually did a camshow this weekend. So again....outright lie about me.

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    Ok, for now...at least for a few days...this fight belongs to others...

    I will still be working this and trying to make changes happen, but I cannot do it here right now.

    FIght the Good Fight people! And save camming!

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    I think everyone has made their point.. thanks ladies

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