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    I have a nice HD camera for my shows that I use on a tripod. It doesn't have a zoom or any kind of motion to it. I'd really like something I can control with the keyboard or with a remote control but still has HD capabilities. It seems like most of the cameras I've researched that do this sort of motion are security cameras where HD isn't a priority.

    I've seen a couple girls on SM use some cool looking cameras, but they aren't much help figuring out details ... Can someone please help me out here?

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    I bought a pan and tilt head off of ebay that goes on to the tripod and you attach the camcorder to the top. It works with a controller. But the only thing is it is not part of the camcorder so you can not zoom. I love it though so I don't have to keep getting up to adjust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydenmarie View Post
    I've seen a couple girls on SM use some cool looking cameras, but they aren't much help figuring out details ... Can someone please help me out here?

    Jayden Marie
    You should be able to email SM support and they'd point you in the right direction. To the best of my knowledge they are quick to respond. [email protected]

    I do not do cam shows personally but I have a Microsoft LifeCam w/o any cool features except it is HD. Does not seem to have nearly the quality of many SM cams.

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    Look in camming connection section, or possibly in other work..


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    The best of the best in online camming equipment:

    Keep in mind what I do isn't often adult camming (I do more more HD sporting event uploads, news feeds and uplink connections for TV stations to VOD and digital servers) but I have set up a few of these rigs for adult cam models and they love them.

    First you get a cam with 3ccd, this is a color chip module with three color chips instead of the single color chip in most cams and visual processing.
    Also make sure that the cam can connect to your computer via Fire wire instead of USB. Fire wire has over three times the signal power better signal quality and a better compression rate. You can also use longer cables with Fire wire. if your computer or laptop does not have a fire wire port, you can get fire wire bus card adapters for laptops or fire wire cards for computers for as little as $5 on ebay.
    A 3ccd cam has great color and lighting adjustments and they have a zillion and one focus and zoom options. Often they come with a small remote so you can zoom in and out from anywhere in the room. Newer models also come with auto motion tracking that will follow and zoom in and out on you.
    3ccd cams aren't the chincey little plastic USB webcams you see, they are full on camcorders with microphone and digital output attachments. They take a bit more set up know how but the results are always far better quality than their USB web cam counterparts. ALSO, you can stream in HD with them if you have a fast enough upload speed on your connection.
    But they do cost a lot more. The least you will pay for a good 3ccd camera is $300usd

    HOWEVER, 1ccd camcorders with digital outputs also have a higher resolution, remote controls and better output than USB cams and they also have fire wire.
    You can get those, like the canon zr100-A, off ebay for about $60usd.

    For an example of what a stream with one of these cams looks and sounds like:

    http://www.ypmate.com

    All of the streams you will see on the front page use 3ccd cams on fire wire, compare those to most of the crap you will see on MFC, streammates or camsharks and you can tell the difference.
    Some of them on ypmate are using 1ccd cams and you can hardly tell much difference from the 3ccd ones outside of a bit more archiving and fuz.

    The cam isn't the only thing you need though. You also need software to tweek the stream before it goes to the site. The best is a flash media encoder. Windows has one and Adobe has one. Adobe flash media encoder 3 is the best. if you work with one of those box sites, cam sites or a studio and they know what they are doing they will know how to get the XML file prepped for you to use Adobe flash or windows flash media encoder with their site.
    Adobe flash media encoder is a free download. Windows flash media encoder is only free in one version and it is very hard to find and download.

    You may also want an external mic to hook up to the cam or direct to the computer's sound card. In either case make sure it has a lot of cable and you place it somewhere in the middle and above all the action. Adobe flah media encoder has all kinds of cool adjustments you can make to the cam, mic and upload rate to make the stream look as good as it can for the upload speed you have.

    You will also want to test your upload speed before setting up adobe flash media encoder.

    the best place to test your up and download speeds: www.speedtest.net

    When you go there, a map comes up with all the public test server points world wide, you will want to pick one in the same country you are in but as far from you as you can select. Then run the test. First it will tell you your download speed, which is usually the faster of the two.
    Then it will tell you the upload speed, this test usually takes longer.

    If your upload speed is any lower than 100k, you aren't going to be doing very good streaming but a good media encoder program can do some amazing things with low upload speeds,... sometimes. The best upload speed for streaming is 1.5mps to 2mps (megabites per second). Unless you have AT&T U-verse, another Fiber optic to home service, have a plan with charter or comcast in the midwest or you get a super business plan or T1 connection for hundreds a month, you aren't going to do much better than 5mps upload speed. But that is ok. With a good stable 1mps speed you can stream in very good quality. With 4mps you can stream in HD, though some claim they can stream HD at 1.5mps.

    If you use a ccd cam of any kind you will need a tripod, you can get a full on tripod for $25 at walmart or one of those cool 3d grip pods or a mini pod for about $10.
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    um...wow. Thanks for all of that, I'll look into that 3 camera thingy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPartyChat View Post
    You should be able to email SM support and they'd point you in the right direction. To the best of my knowledge they are quick to respond. [email protected]

    I do not do cam shows personally but I have a Microsoft LifeCam w/o any cool features except it is HD. Does not seem to have nearly the quality of many SM cams.
    yeah, are you really talking about the same streamate support? They are useless.

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    Twiggs, can you use that setup with skype/yahoo?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    Twiggs, can you use that setup with skype/yahoo?
    With the same hardware and equipment It works on both BUT you can't use any flash media encoder apps with those as they have their own encoding platforms. You will get a much better picture with the cam on fire wire and a stellar picture if it is a 3ccd cam on fire wire.
    A good point about the adult entertainment industry:

    http://youtu.be/2TdEYqOZY_E

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    So I found this older Sony HDR SR7 camera. If I could hook up one of those motorized mounts that Jasmine Jade mentioned along with a remote control that plugs into it -- would that be a good setup? It's a very expensive camera ($1300 a few years ago). I'm hoping that would work, then I could capture hd videos right from the HD as well instead of messing around with the ifriends crappy video capture system.

    The real concern I have is that I don't see a firewire out (and I thought firewire was a sony thing). HELP!

    Thanks for all of your help, I'm closer and closer!

    If not, would you be able to go so far (pretty please) as to recommend a setup that's affordable and offers me the most flexibility? I really enjoyed your post, but it was a little hard to follow (I'm not that technical). But it seems like you're really knowledgeable and willing to help. THANK YOU!

    Jayden Marie

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydenmarie View Post
    So I found this older Sony HDR SR7 camera. If I could hook up one of those motorized mounts that Jasmine Jade mentioned along with a remote control that plugs into it -- would that be a good setup? It's a very expensive camera ($1300 a few years ago). I'm hoping that would work, then I could capture hd videos right from the HD as well instead of messing around with the ifriends crappy video capture system.

    The real concern I have is that I don't see a firewire out (and I thought firewire was a sony thing). HELP!

    Thanks for all of your help, I'm closer and closer!

    If not, would you be able to go so far (pretty please) as to recommend a setup that's affordable and offers me the most flexibility? I really enjoyed your post, but it was a little hard to follow (I'm not that technical). But it seems like you're really knowledgeable and willing to help. THANK YOU!

    Jayden Marie
    Sony kind of dropped the ball with their consumer model HD cams by phasing out fire wire almost entirely. Which greatly limits the picture quality when it hits your computer and the net. A flash media encoder app can help that but it still doesn't have the picture quality of a 1ccd canon like the ZR100 on fire wire. Sony's marketing is kind of shady with this model too. It has more advanced digital options but they all suck compared to a lot of digital cams you can get for the same and even lower price. i have still shot digital cams from 2003 with more picture quality. The x.v and k.v. color technology processors are a bit like 1 ccd color processing with a lot of sloppy short cuts to lower the cost of making the cams. it is good color processing but it can get fuzzy and produce archiving (blockyness or fractured digital image) when used for streaming. More so if streaming over USB. There are some nice motion tracking and focus options.

    The good news is you could sell the HDR SR7 on ebay for at least $500.00 (I don't understand how it is even worth that much) and get yourself a full on 3ccd Canon GL1 (still being used by porn vid producers like Brazzers and Kink to make their vids and do streaming) with fire wire for as low as $350 to $400.
    The GL1 is a power house of a camera. it has mic ports, a remote, a kick ass lens speed. Just check out the spec sheet with this ebay listing for one:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-GL-1-C...item45fc93b173

    I can't believe these are going for under $500 now. my first one cost $3500.00 and they STILL use these for a lot of the high end porn you see being made today.

    On amazon they don't go for any less than $2000.

    So if you can find a good working one on ebay for under 500, jump on it.
    A good point about the adult entertainment industry:

    http://youtu.be/2TdEYqOZY_E

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    Ok, so the canon sounds awesome. What about the motion piece as mentioned above? I have a tripod, so that's taken care of. I would screw in a motor then mount the canon on top of it? Would I be able to zoom and move the camera remotely then?

    1 - tripod
    1- Canon camera
    1- firewire
    Flash media encoder (as delivered by the ifriends super cam application)
    1- ??? motor?? any recomendations on this?

    ?? anything else?? I guess if you were doing this for yourself and keeping in mind budget conciousness is important...is there anything you would add?

    Would my dell 1525 laptop still work with this? I'm thinking of upgrading laptops too...is there a particular video card system that I should keep in mind?

    You are so awesome Twiggs, I really really appreciate all your input. You're very helpful and I'm really greatful!

    Jayden Marie

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    Twigs, after reading your post a few times I think I understand, bt I was wondering what you think of the Logitech Quickcam Orbit AF? Its a MFC recommended cam, just wondering how it compares to the 3ccd? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayla Kendree View Post
    Twigs, after reading your post a few times I think I understand, bt I was wondering what you think of the Logitech Quickcam Orbit AF? Its a MFC recommended cam, just wondering how it compares to the 3ccd? Thanks
    *If you have to go USB logitech is the best.
    *Its a good price for motorized tracking.
    *Carl Zeiss is about the best you can do for non ccd processing tech.
    Though being usb and non ccd there will be archiving from time to time depending on your upspeed and settings.
    *It still isn't half as good picture or audio as you would get form a 1ccd or 3ccd on fire wire but for a USB webcam it is the best you can get and it is far cheaper than a 3 ccd.
    A good point about the adult entertainment industry:

    http://youtu.be/2TdEYqOZY_E

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydenmarie View Post
    Ok, so the canon sounds awesome. What about the motion piece as mentioned above? I have a tripod, so that's taken care of. I would screw in a motor then mount the canon on top of it? Would I be able to zoom and move the camera remotely then?

    1 - tripod
    1- Canon camera
    1- firewire
    Flash media encoder (as delivered by the ifriends super cam application)
    1- ??? motor?? any recomendations on this?

    ?? anything else?? I guess if you were doing this for yourself and keeping in mind budget conciousness is important...is there anything you would add?

    Would my dell 1525 laptop still work with this? I'm thinking of upgrading laptops too...is there a particular video card system that I should keep in mind?

    You are so awesome Twiggs, I really really appreciate all your input. You're very helpful and I'm really greatful!

    Jayden Marie

    A friend was watching big brother the other night and I realized that for all these years I should have been checking out their cam rigs on that show. I'm just so put off by so-called "reality shows though.

    Big brother is actually using some pretty affordable and easy to use motor mounted cams.

    They start with a nice 3ccd "core cam" as we sometimes call it. This is nothing but a simple 3ccd cam base that you latter attach all the mounts to to make it an actual cam.
    Example:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/KLA-Tencor-S...item588f29eb25

    Now that price may not look cheap. Which is strange considering that so many cam models here claim to be making thousands a week, yet i met so few who say they could afford this.
    But that is a good deal for one hell of a 3ccd cam.
    You could put one of those $500 Gl1 canons on it though and be just as good a rig. Plus the Gl1 has the wireless remote.

    Then there is the motor mount.
    In searching I just found this awesome effin thing is on ebay now:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-Cam...item27bdb7e6a6

    You can mount any cam on it, it can sit on a flat surface or be tripod mounted, it's remote can govern more than one unit and it's only $50!!!
    I'm actually ordering one right now for a car mounted night vision cam project. Not this particular one, i found a retailer with one slightly more expensive but it comes with a service plan too. You should get this one.

    With this kind of rig you are basically sacrificing a full visual auto tracking system for wireless hand remotes but you get a MUCH better picture quality that will allow you to also stream in HD if your carrier can provide it. Strap the remotes together or put them on a multi remote pad and you should be good to go.

    OHH, almost forgot, the laptops. A 1525 dell,.. hmmm.. I hate dells. These are terrible computers and lord knows i wind up with plenty due to them constantly breaking. But this one will do the job as it is relatively new.
    It says this model has both 4 pin and 1394 fire wire. Thats pretty cool actually. Use the 1394 fire wire as the cams use 4 pin. you will need a 1394 fire wire to 4 pin fire wire cable. 1394 looks like a tall barn and 4 pin looks like a small box with a slight indented crimp on one side.
    Actually this is a powerhouse of a webcasting laptop. But it is a dell so make sure you have something like 'system mechanic' to maintain it and clean it out from time to time.
    So you won't need additional adapters or converters to hook up the cam to this computer. Get a nice mic maybe and hook it up to the cam's mic port as the Gl1 has a really nice audio processor too.
    Last edited by twigs; 08-26-2011 at 10:46 AM.
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    OH, before i miss it. Another great thing about actual ccd cams is you can hook up a regular old TV to it as a monitor by using the RCA out so you don't have to look at the tiny computer screen that might be too far away or you can also expand the chat on the computer screen to be bigger and use the TV as your cam monitor. This won't mess with the signal going over the fire wire to the computer. when i edit, i have my cam hooked up to the computer and a TV at the same time. In final cut pro the computer can actually control the cam to set up the rca monitor anyway I like to see what I am editing and how it looks.
    A good point about the adult entertainment industry:

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    I've used the Logitech Orbit and I don't like it. The tracking is shaky at best and I didn't find that it worked very well at all. Also it seemed to be a resource hog with the software needed to run it. Did not like.

    I like the Logitech pro9000 on my pc and c910 on my mac WAY better.


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    I like Logitechs... Its what we bought ofr our studio except for the live studio we bought Canon broadcast quality ones!

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    what is a good cam with a remote control out there?any suggestions?

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    Twiggs,

    i'm getting close to buying that motor mount and then I'm going to get a camera (you're right about the money thing and yes I can afford it but what I have is working as well...so if I just buy a bit at a time I'm hoping it's worth it in the end)

    One quick question, you say this 3ccd camera is HD quality, but on all of the ebay posts the camera is listed as 'standard quality' if it's listed at all. Is there any benefit to looking at a Gl2 for the same price?

    As always you're extremely helpful and knowledgeable so I thank you for all of your time and effort -- I promise eventually I'll get a better camera LOL.

    Jayden Marie

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydenmarie View Post
    Twiggs,

    i'm getting close to buying that motor mount and then I'm going to get a camera (you're right about the money thing and yes I can afford it but what I have is working as well...so if I just buy a bit at a time I'm hoping it's worth it in the end)

    One quick question, you say this 3ccd camera is HD quality, but on all of the ebay posts the camera is listed as 'standard quality' if it's listed at all. Is there any benefit to looking at a Gl2 for the same price?

    As always you're extremely helpful and knowledgeable so I thank you for all of your time and effort -- I promise eventually I'll get a better camera LOL.

    Jayden Marie
    Most people who would sell a 3ccd cam on ebay for $500 or less do not know what they have. Most people think just because it takes miniDV tape , that it is not an HD camera. Likewise a lot of the new "HD" cameras with built in storage are actually not truly HD at all. What most mean by HD is 'Hard Drive'. It is a marketing gimic to make people think that by HD they mean "Hi def". Of course even "high def" can mean anything in advertising. there are radios from 1975 that were marketed as "high def". Digital image processing is very technical when you get into what is truly "HD" with respect to the kind of quality you see on streams like YPmate's cams.
    A very basic technical explanation for online streaming in HD would be (at minimal) a stream that is 1.5m in upstream speed or more that is being converted from MP4 1080i with an H26.4 compression (or better) to flash vid or staying in MP4 like you see on most VODs, heavy support live streams or At&t U-verse.
    The only way to accomplish that kind of stream is by using a cam on fire wire and that camera having a 1ccd (with some tweaking) or 3ccd (no tweaking needed) processor.

    The GL2 if you can get it for $500 or less , GET IT, that is a very good cam. But a Gl2 for $500 or less i don't know if you could find. even a Gl1 at that price is a RARE find and the person selling it is either not including a lot with it or just doesn't know what they have.
    A good point about the adult entertainment industry:

    http://youtu.be/2TdEYqOZY_E

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    Ok, totally off subject, but Twigs, that ypmate.com site you mentioned is a Streamate affiliate. Exact same girls as the Streamate homepage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    Ok, totally off subject, but Twigs, that ypmate.com site you mentioned is a Streamate affiliate. Exact same girls as the Streamate homepage.
    yeahhhhhh,... i know,... it sucks. I'm mainly using it as a reference for the quality of the streams they are running and the equipment most of the streams are using on them. NOT, how they do business.
    I submitted the requests for their contract and pay out process weeks ago and they never got back to me. I give these cam sites the benefit of a doubt but really I haven't found one yet that is being fair in contracting.
    I actually submitted directly to Myfreecams a few weeks ago A challenge to their contract (seeing as it is the most fraudulent peace of crap i have ever seen) and they just ignored it. they didn't even care where I got their contract from or how many people I'd showed it to and the legal community, though they are quick to point out how unfair these contracts are, are not as willing to take action with regards to adult websites. Which i can kind of identify with seeing as there are a lot of bigger issues that public oversight and legal resources have to deal with.
    It looks as if no one gives a crap about anyone working in adult entertainment or how much they get screwed over. If cam girls/models/dancers want to organize and get better treatment, they are going to have to stop fearing the idle threats and bullying these site owners use and for once let the industry know that it needs them more than they need it.
    A good point about the adult entertainment industry:

    http://youtu.be/2TdEYqOZY_E

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