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    Hi there,
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    I am a huge fan of SC's. The women are gorgeous and that is why they can take my money. I am never against giving my money to them after a lapdance - only at myself when I look at my wallet at the end of the night lol.

    But that's why I make money, to spend it where it gives me happiness and that is where I am able to be in company with some of the most gorgeous women in the world.

    So anyways I have been a regular at this one club for about a month now and basically I go there, spot 1 or 2 dancers that I really like and just go crazy on them.

    So tonight I went and saw one that I had a short dance with like 3 weeks ago and so I was like why not let's dance some more.

    After 4 songs she looks at me and says it's been 8 songs. I'm like what? No it's been 4 songs.

    *Stops dancing*

    She continues saying it's been 8 songs and threatens to bring the bouncer in and I said okay bring the bouncer it's only been 4 - I am a regular here and no strippers have had any problems with me in the past. I just come here, enjoy the beauty and leave lol. By the time we stop arguing it's now 6 songs so.

    Anyways it was 2 for 1 night so she's like how much are you going to pay me I said $60 and she said fine.

    What are your thoughts on this? Are there strippers in your club that are known to scam? Do you feel it is part of their hustle? I've had this happen to me at another club.

    At the end of the day I felt bad so I bought her a drink after. She sat on my lap while she was drinking it but spilled it after one sip Lol.

    Anyways interested to hear your thoughts

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    Well....a question would be seeing it was two for one night is: were the length of the dances cut in half as compared to any other night? You can certainly see the scenario happening being that perhaps she forgot (?) it was two for one seeing she said 8 and you said 4. With dances being only $10 I assume they were table dances as opposed to be VIP but guess that is a mute point.

    Realize that in your mind you tipped or paid extra ($60 for four $10 dances) but what is appreciated by the dancers is to pay them the regular price for all the dances done. Does not really cost you extra than if dances done on another night and hopefully the lady realizes some extra money if the club does not charge her their cut for all 8 dances.

    Could it have been a scam? Sure....but even if it was it was still a scam where you as the customer got a good deal. Dont be cheap.....word spreads real quick....probably quicker than when you are generous unfortunately.

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    Similar thing happened to me. I had a girl once try to charge me for 4 nude dances instead of the 3 topless ones she did, resulting in an overcharge of $50 or so. I told her to take the 3 topless or call the bouncer. She took the 3 topless.
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    Sometimes customers think I'm scamming them because they lose track of the amount of dances; it's my most frequent 'rip-off' complaint. They get angry with me because they couldn't/wouldn't count. And I do remind them every 3 to 5 songs or so (more often if they request it), so in my opinion it's on them. Sometimes they say I've miscounted just so they don't have to pay as much, too.

    I've lost track a few times that I can recall, and had to check with the front; I hate when DJ's mesh together songs too well and I can't tell when one generic techno song ends and the next begins. Doesn't happen often though. The most basic stripper skill there is is accurately counting dances.



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    Usually, I would say you probably just lost track, but considering that her count was exactly double of yours, I get a suspicion that she may have been lying to try to make the same amount of money off 4 dances that she normally would when it's not 2 for 1 night. Especially since you said she threatened to go get the bouncer but didn't say she actually did it, and she finally accepted $20 less than she should have gotten for 8 songs. That all kinda reeks of someone who knows she was full of shit and didn't have a legit complaint for the bouncer.

    To avoid this in the future, count the dances out loud yourself. At the end of a song, say "How about going for a second one/third one/fourth one..." You may think you sound stupid repeating this every time but it's the only way to know for sure that you and the dancer are on the same page. And, for most girls, it will give them peace of mind knowing that you've been counting accurately too, and they won't have to worry about a customer actually losing count at the end and putting up a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora_Sunset View Post
    Usually, I would say you probably just lost track, but considering that her count was exactly double of yours, I get a suspicion that she may have been lying to try to make the same amount of money off 4 dances that she normally would when it's not 2 for 1 night. Especially since you said she threatened to go get the bouncer but didn't say she actually did it, and she finally accepted $20 less than she should have gotten for 8 songs. That all kinda reeks of someone who knows she was full of shit and didn't have a legit complaint for the bouncer.

    To avoid this in the future, count the dances out loud yourself. At the end of a song, say "How about going for a second one/third one/fourth one..." You may think you sound stupid repeating this every time but it's the only way to know for sure that you and the dancer are on the same page. And, for most girls, it will give them peace of mind knowing that you've been counting accurately too, and they won't have to worry about a customer actually losing count at the end and putting up a fight.
    As a dancer, this is exactly what I always to avoid this kind of confusion. If the dancer you're with isn't counting them out loud, maybe you should to ensure you're both on the same page.

    Another option is to pay for your dances up front. If you know you will want 4 dances, just pay for them at the beginning. She will stop when she gets to the end of the amount you paid for, and you can discuss further dances with her at that time. This is a good way for you to be able to relax and enjoy your dances without having to worry that you're spending more than you intended.
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    Thanks for everyone who posted here.

    Natallia that's some great advice you gave me that I'll definitely do from now.

    And Aurora your very right about the DJs but this time it seemed pretty clear cut to me.

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    I worked at a club where a few dancers did this. It was a club that didn't do a 2 for 1 and the dances were long. What I would do is as the next dance began I would tell him it's a new dance or count and say the number I was at. The only time I tried to rip off a guy is if they were rude.

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    I hate girls that do this. It makes the few honest ones look shady, especially if I do make a mistake and miscount, then I look like a scam artist because the last girl ripped him off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiarose View Post
    I hate girls that do this. It makes the few honest ones look shady, especially if I do make a mistake and miscount, then I look like a scam artist because the last girl ripped him off.
    I was kind of just jaded and left the club immediately after.

    *EDIT: these were in VIP. I don't feel I was cheap because I paid even for 2 songs that weren't danced for lol. And than bought her a drink after.

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    Btw I probably wasn't clear but I didn't generally scam guys but worked at a club where this happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillingToSpend View Post
    Hi there,
    At the end of the day I felt bad so I bought her a drink after. She sat on my lap while she was drinking it but spilled it after one sip Lol.
    I realize that you are looking for dancer feedback, but I can't help but throw a little something into the ring here.

    Look, scams are unfortunately not uncommon in clubs. The overcounted dance tally is just one of several cons that you might run into. Now I am certainly not saying that all dancers do these things - there are plenty of reputable dancers out there - but unfortunately there are also a fair number of the other types and you will not always know which type you are dealing with until money starts changing hands.

    Simply put, the best thing that you can do is to keep track of what you are doing and don't lose your head. And do not reward bad behavior. It also sounded very much to me like she was scamming you. IMHO not only should you probably have sent her on her way rather than buying her a drink, but you probably should avoid spending any more money on her in the future.

    Anyway, just my and good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    I realize that you are looking for dancer feedback, but I can't help but throw a little something into the ring here.

    Look, scams are unfortunately not uncommon in clubs. The overcounted dance tally is just one of several cons that you might run into. Now I am certainly not saying that all dancers do these things - there are plenty of reputable dancers out there - but unfortunately there are also a fair number of the other types and you will not always know which type you are dealing with until money starts changing hands.

    Simply put, the best thing that you can do is to keep track of what you are doing and don't lose your head. And do not reward bad behavior. It also sounded very much to me like she was scamming you. IMHO not only should you probably have sent her on her way rather than buying her a drink, but you probably should avoid spending any more money on her in the future.

    Anyway, just my and good luck!
    And that's what I intend to do but I bought her a drink to make it up if I did indeed lose count because imagine if you are at work and you get paid $10 an hour and you work for 5 hours and the boss only pays you for 3. That would suck.

    So even though I am like 99% sure that I am correct in that it was only 4 songs, I bought her a drink for that 1% of the time that I was wrong. It's more a conscience thing. I am fully aware of my actions when I am in the club, and I most definitely won't be spending another dime on her. /rant

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    I would suggest give her the $20 at the beginning of each song. Another song comes on and pull out the next $20.00 that way if she tries to scam . You're immediately done right there.

    Or why not pay in advance and say ok 5 songs only pay the girl and let it go for 5 songs. Before she even sits down say I'm only paying for 5 songs again. That's it.

    Tell her to keep track of the songs since most women do. Tell her you're not paying for more then 5 songs again. So at this point there should be no confusion.

    When you said she spilled her drink, I almost got the impression that she was semi -wasted, which is possible due to men buying girls drinks all night. So it sounds like she got her numbers wrong or maybe you both were abit tipsy. But tell her to stop at 5. If she doesn't then she just wasted her own time.

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    Only once has this happened (well, that I know of, granting the possibility that I lost count and did not know it). Dancer said, "Do you want another?" and I said, "This dance isn't over yet." Dancer said, "I'm sorry, in the club where I usually dance, the DJ talks when the song is over." I said, "Tht's OK," and she finished the dance. I bought several more until I ran out of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillingToSpend View Post
    Hi there,
    Long time reader, first time poster.

    I am a huge fan of SC's. The women are gorgeous and that is why they can take my money. I am never against giving my money to them after a lapdance - only at myself when I look at my wallet at the end of the night lol.

    But that's why I make money, to spend it where it gives me happiness and that is where I am able to be in company with some of the most gorgeous women in the world.

    So anyways I have been a regular at this one club for about a month now and basically I go there, spot 1 or 2 dancers that I really like and just go crazy on them.

    So tonight I went and saw one that I had a short dance with like 3 weeks ago and so I was like why not let's dance some more.

    After 4 songs she looks at me and says it's been 8 songs. I'm like what? No it's been 4 songs.

    *Stops dancing*

    She continues saying it's been 8 songs and threatens to bring the bouncer in and I said okay bring the bouncer it's only been 4 - I am a regular here and no strippers have had any problems with me in the past. I just come here, enjoy the beauty and leave lol. By the time we stop arguing it's now 6 songs so.

    Anyways it was 2 for 1 night so she's like how much are you going to pay me I said $60 and she said fine.

    What are your thoughts on this? Are there strippers in your club that are known to scam? Do you feel it is part of their hustle? I've had this happen to me at another club.

    At the end of the day I felt bad so I bought her a drink after. She sat on my lap while she was drinking it but spilled it after one sip Lol.

    Anyways interested to hear your thoughts

    Mate ....... There are many many scammers out there , little doubt about that , you will find these kind of actions all over the place .

    We now enter Recessionary times , when only the strong will survive , be a little more clever with your money , maximise the result ( and NO NO , I dont mean someone breaking rules ) ...once you understand the " Con " elements of the game , you will gain a much better personal result .

    Support a Club that supports you , if there is a place you really like , do your bit to help the club ..without the venue there is nothing . Then pick the mark that you choose ..dont just hand over money , use due consideration as you would for any product or service . You ( believe me ) will find some Utterly INCREDIBLE dancers who CERTAINLY wont scam you ... and you can walk away thinking " WOW " ..how long has this been going on .

    Just think every $$$$ though ... and you will DOUBLE your enjoyment ..and you know the only trap ?? ..You will LOVE it even more , and your spend level will RISE !

    No doubt about it ...use your instincts .
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    If you dont count yourself ans cut it off its your problem not the strippers! Its my job to make you relax and forget the outside world. If I dance for you for 5 youre paying for 5 even if you just wanted 3 or 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyLynne View Post
    If you dont count yourself ans cut it off its your problem not the strippers! Its my job to make you relax and forget the outside world. If I dance for you for 5 youre paying for 5 even if you just wanted 3 or 4.
    I agree with that, but that is not what the OP was referring to. If I let a dancer continue for 5, 6, 7, or whatever songs that is what should be paid for regardless of the amount I may have initially planned on receiving. The problem is when the dancer claims she did Y number of songs and in fact she only did X. It happens, and unfortunately its a rather common scam.

    Some clubs make keeping track of the song count easier. The use of three song sets. The way the DJ announces the next set of stage dancers, the dj asking for applause for the dancers just finishing their set, and other clues can help both the guy and the dancer keep track. I personally don't count songs aloud or even to myself since that can take away from the mood of it. But I do generally try to time things so the dancer starts her private dances for me on the first song of the three song set that the stage rotation goes through. I've actually had dancers try to tell me we did 4 songs and I had to point out that the stage was just changing so it had to be 3.

    Overcounting of songs happens and often it is done to guy who the dancer feels is too drunk to notice or someone who comes off as a pushover.

    As scams go though, it is one of the least harmful ones you'll encounter in a strip club.

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    It's unfortunate that ppl(both dancers and customers) love to scam. I got scammed by an asshole customer last night too. Shit happens. Just be alert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyLynne View Post
    If you dont count yourself ans cut it off its your problem not the strippers! Its my job to make you relax and forget the outside world. If I dance for you for 5 youre paying for 5 even if you just wanted 3 or 4.
    In this sitation ..pay for three , then access ..if you haven't been given the go ahead , then Bad luck for the Dancer .

    Pay upfront , and acess the quality of performance ..There are some great dancers out there , you dont need to accept scamming dancers or poor performances .

    Be more observant with your money ... and simply dont allow much SCAMMING to happen . Plus make sure she pays for it with lost revenue from others . If she wants to Scam patrons supporting her workplace ..She shouldn't be there that night ..Pretty Simple really , and shes bringing negatives upon the Club .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davey17 View Post
    In this sitation ..pay for three , then access ..if you haven't been given the go ahead , then Bad luck for the Dancer .

    Pay upfront , and acess the quality of performance ..There are some great dancers out there , you dont need to accept scamming dancers or poor performances .

    Be more observant with your money ... and simply dont allow much SCAMMING to happen . Plus make sure she pays for it with lost revenue from others . If she wants to Scam patrons supporting her workplace ..She shouldn't be there that night ..Pretty Simple really , and shes bringing negatives upon the Club .
    Lmfao here we go again. I assume you mean assess, not acess (not even sure what that would be since access is spelled with 2 c's and means admittance) but in any case, you're out of your fucking mind. This isn't how it works and you're living in la la land... again.
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    Like the OP, I tend to find a dancer I like and stick with her until the end of the night.

    My usual 'test' is I'll get three songs in a row, and after #2 I'll say:

    "I'm having such a great time...but I lost track....is that 3 already?"

    if the dancer says 3, I'll be able to tell her which songs she danced to.
    If she says 2 (and they all have at this point) I'll get the third and then pay her for a fourth as a tip.

    Of course..in talking about this..I wonder if they think I'm an easy mark now..hmm..


    Though I know I've had more waiters/waitresses try to scam me than dancers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    Lmfao here we go again. I assume you mean assess, not acess (not even sure what that would be since access is spelled with 2 c's and means admittance) but in any case, you're out of your fucking mind. This isn't how it works and you're living in la la land... again.

    Its actually exactly how it works .

    The principle is quite basic , you can run your business as you wish ..thats no problem , and completely up to you .

    This customer should be selective , and pay upfront . What Im suggesting for him is he purchase a couple of songs , paying upfront ...and them decide if the service was to his liking ..this way he wont get Scammed by some skank .

    There are a plethora of Awesome performers out there who wont even consider ripping him off , so its not a problem . Just his decision to make , there is absolutely no need for him to put up with being Scammed .

    Be careful , make the correct selection ..and enjoy some awesome entertainment ..Guess what ? that client will be back everytime , you expand your client base and grow the industry .

    But each contractor runs their own race ..and he is free to choose .

    Enjoy .
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    Just to go back to the initial question . I think this dancer possibly did not make this mistake deliberately , possibly she had quite a few drinks ..or other substances , you did say she knocked over a drink ..this is a pretty obvious sign .

    Never select a Wasted Dancer , thinking you are going to get some kind of " Value added " deal , It simply never works like this and they will loose all sense of time . Remember this kind of situation is certainly not good for the Industry generally , she is doing her best to potentially Shink the industry . Let them know at the club , they may be keen to get her to finish this particular shift .

    There are just so many brilliant , Sexy , Awesome dancers out there ..you really just need to be careful with selection , and if you do come accross a performer like this , Warn others ..and get her out of there , for she not helping anyone , particularly not her place of employment . The club does not need the likes of her walking the floor , and generally you will find there have been previous problems ..she needs to head elsewhere .

    Never accept being Scammed ... at least make sure others know .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalllia View Post
    As a dancer, this is exactly what I always to avoid this kind of confusion. If the dancer you're with isn't counting them out loud, maybe you should to ensure you're both on the same page.

    Another option is to pay for your dances up front. If you know you will want 4 dances, just pay for them at the beginning. She will stop when she gets to the end of the amount you paid for, and you can discuss further dances with her at that time. This is a good way for you to be able to relax and enjoy your dances without having to worry that you're spending more than you intended.
    This is pretty much how it works ( Generally ) in Aus ..the options are 1 song or 3 songs ..however the money is taken upfront . You always ( pretty much ) know where you are at .

    There are scammers on the 3 song criteria ..but as the honest girls have said , these scammers are easy to pick . At first they are then told to take some time off , generally they are given three chances , then its " Out " ..Its just too risky for the club , and for other dancers , in an industry we are trying to Grow , just does not help anyone .

    The great thing is ..MOST of the dancers are close to 100 % trustworthy ( in our example ) ..But the 10 % can be pretty active , so you need to be careful .

    The advice most of the girls have given here is first class and logical .
    Enjoy ... and Progress , Its all in the name of personal enjoyment

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