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    A member at CGN posted this in reply to me coming there and jumping into the thread mentioned by 'roast' that talks about and quotes us here in the MFC debate. This is not at all about MFC, but about camming in general.

    I'm truly curious what you, the models being discussed, think of this, and how you would respond.

    Bambalina, what is your definition of white knightism?


    I totally agree with your mention of sweat shops and slave labor and how corporations use slave labor to earn bigger profits off of other human beings.

    I believe in equality of all human beings.

    Not just for the women who are mistreated in the sex industry but for children who are sold off by their parents to merely survive in a country where poverty is commonplace. Where men and women migrate to other countries to earn a decent wage because in their homelands their governments are so corrupt and their government does anything to maintain its power to keep its citizens in a poverty stricken status quo.

    Perhaps that is why there are so many women from Eastern Europe and other third world countries that need to work in the sex industry to survive. Unlike the great country of America where there still is some opportunity for many who work hard and are for the most part treated better than many others around the world who have the chance to live a productive and happy fulfilling life.

    White Knightism in the world of camming has morphed into something obsessive for some members, due to what some women told them about their lives in their countries. Some of it is true and some of it is fabricated. It also is a term created by pirates towards members who have attempted to assist models with pirated material.

    If you want to make this industry better and as you state, it is the "man" who keeps you down if I read you loud and clear,go for it. But when I had to listen to a woman tell me stories of how bad things are for them at the sake of earning a buck off of me or anyone else while others tell me things are not that bad as they portray things to be, then I have to wonder who is fooling whom.

    Do I need to read other members who go out of their way to send loads of cash, gifts and pretend that they are a womans knight in shining armor, when all it really is in truth is a sham and/or scam, then I do believe something just aint kosher in the grand scheme of things.

    Albeit, there are women who can barely survive in a cut throat world of camming and that genuinely and honestly they are very desperate to earn bank.

    I used to have fun and enjoy myself way too much many years ago in the world of camming, but in due time as some recent members here have confessed that it becomes an illusion that does not fulfill or create any more enjoyment for them. Or perhaps it is the fact that quite a few have been rung out to dry and treated with such disdain and contempt that if it were reversed, you and many others would scream bloody murder. But of course, that is what is written,at times, on that other forum.

    It's a two way street isn't it? It works both ways.

    What I am annoyed with is when I have to read or hear anyone tell me that I am fodder, or anyone else who visits you and your colleagues. That we should all be treated as just a bunch of perverted wankers and primed for the taking, that there in itself is a huge hypocritical judgement of your bread and butter, you all make bank on. Have you honestly read some of what your colleagues say about people and members, and how they all are ripe for the taking? I am quite sure you have.

    To read how you expect respect from those that enter your chat when basically most of the written word I read on that other forum,that many have such contempt and a holier than thou attitude towards most men. I truly wonder where that came from objectively. I can come pretty close to the reasons why though many think like that.

    How do you expect anyone to return any respect when anyone who enters into a chat room is viewed as nothing more than just a dollar sign. I know this is a job and I am not blind as to what you gals have to deal with either. But fair play works both ways.

    Personally, I have assisted fighting and helping women I do not even know with pirated material. This after many a time some of your counterparts have treated others and as I have experienced as well, an indignity and quite honestly a lack of respect as one human being towards another.

    I suggest that you not only fight the pimps who control your industry but also instruct your colleagues to have some ethics and professionalism as well.


    QUOTE for examples of people who are sick of the trashed out strip club motif, and want to bring something fun and exciting back. It even exists in erotica on the internet, from the "Simple Nudes" fans, to those who love the retro stuff, either in real form (as in old antique porn and vintage photos), or the Neo-Movement with it'e older style look and Pin-up sensibility, where women are treated more as Goddesses to be adored than sexual toys to be played with and discarded.

    Well look around you, it is up to some of your colleagues to stop lowering the bar so much, if you don't want to be treated as sexual toys and discarded. The premise of camming is a study in objectification of both individuals,both the member and the chat host.

    A chat host I was very intimate with,once said, to Uncle here....


    "This place strips the humanity from all that enter it".

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    He says women who don't want to be treated as sex toys and discarded shouldn't act as such. He's generalizing of course. I could generalize in that same way and say the same about the customers. If you don't want to be treated as just a worthless wanker then don't act like one.

    He seems to forget we're all dealing with the masses here, on both sides of the coin. Because 90% of the customers are just worthless wankers, I wait for them to prove themselves otherwise before I treat them as anything but worthless wankers. As far as I'm concerned, any customer who has a problem with that isn't worth my time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    He says women who don't want to be treated as sex toys and discarded shouldn't act as such. He's generalizing of course. I could generalize in that same way and say the same about the customers. If you don't want to be treated as just a worthless wanker then don't act like one.

    He seems to forget we're all dealing with the masses here, on both sides of the coin. Because 90% of the customers are just worthless wankers, I wait for them to prove themselves otherwise before I treat them as anything but worthless wankers. As far as I'm concerned, any customer who has a problem with that isn't worth my time.
    Ok, but one point I see here, is that even though we are more or less anonymous here, as to cam identities and obviously REAL identities, we are still "public" in what we write, and the point that customers as a group can come to these sites and take away a very cynical attititude for camgirls toward the men they serve as their customers seems kind of valid even if he didn't intend to make it the way I just said it...

    In other words, we sell sexuality, an respite from loneliness, and a fantasy image of the female for men who otherwise generally cannot "have" us. And to ever let the man look behind the curtain, even though oft times there may be NO curtain, is a daunting prospect. Since even the most friendly and truly customer loving cam-model has days of being so bombarded with "the other side of the coin" as to make anyone cynical, and when she comes here with the "meat, waving money...that's all they are" attitude, it stays on google for years...

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    Same as letting stripclub customers see all the stripper ranting. I do think sites like this have been a little bit detrimental to the business for this very reason.

    But, I don't personally care if the guys dislike being seen as dollar signs. They, for the most part, only see us as essentially blow-up dolls, so fair play as far as I'm concerned. We all know there are exceptions, and I obviously treat certain customers better because they have earned it. But that's the thing: they have earned it.

    I don't really give a shit if most customers see me as little more than something to wank to. As long as they respect my rules and pay my rates I'm perfectly happy to deal with them in just that way. I don't see why they should give a shit that I only see them as a wallet.

    If a guy gets fooled by some girl who is just taking his money and whatever else he offers while pretending to like him, I reckon it's more on him for deluding himself. It is a fact in the sex business that men read more into the attentions of a provider than is ever intended. You know the saying: give them an inch they'll take a mile. There is a reason we use it SO MUCH in this business.

    Perfect example: Just tonight I gave a good spending, respectful regular priority in my line-up of boys wanting time with me for obvious reasons, and the instant he realized I did that he said it made him feel special then immediately asked me to go beyond my boundaries that he KNOWS I don't cross "because he deserved it". Needless to say I won't be giving him any priority anymore. He has been demoted to the level of all the losers and will stay there unless and until he earns his way back up to priority again. I don't care one iota if he stops spending on me either. There are plenty more where he came from and always will be.

    Most of them see us the same way too. They don't care if we dump them or won't give them what they want because there will always be plenty more of us...

    So back to my original statement: Just like he said if a girl doesn't want to be treated like a discardable sex toy she shouldn't act like one, if a customer doesn't want to be treated like just another worthless wanker he shouldn't act like one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    Ok, but one point I see here, is that even though we are more or less anonymous here, as to cam identities and obviously REAL identities, we are still "public" in what we write, and the point that customers as a group can come to these sites and take away a very cynical attititude for camgirls toward the men they serve as their customers seems kind of valid even if he didn't intend to make it the way I just said it...

    In other words, we sell sexuality, an respite from loneliness, and a fantasy image of the female for men who otherwise generally cannot "have" us. And to ever let the man look behind the curtain, even though oft times there may be NO curtain, is a daunting prospect. Since even the most friendly and truly customer loving cam-model has days of being so bombarded with "the other side of the coin" as to make anyone cynical, and when she comes here with the "meat, waving money...that's all they are" attitude, it stays on google for years...

    Opinion?

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    Actually that does worry me slightly. I have some loyal customers whom I would never want reading what i write about camming, whether good OR bad. It destroys the illusion. That said though, i am pretty honest with customers.. they know it's all about the money for me and there are a million other things i would do "for fun" rather than cam. Most of the first guys message you posted above just goes way into detail that it really doesn't need to. Sure there are girls out there being held down by camming, but the cam models I know at least, simply do it for the money and are well and truly in control of their own destiny in this respect. If a customer doesn't show respect in her eyes, he can simply be booted.. onto the next. We're not beholden to anyone.

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    Many customers understand that the sex industry is a fantasy - Im unsure why cam customers seem tohave an extraordinarily difficult time getting this. The best regulars get it. The freeloaders and white knights just don't. If you read SW and reading the Customer Conversations - many of the blues 'get it' and will instruct the blues who don't in an instant.

    Camming - not so much. Probably because physically entering a strip club the customer is publically acknowledging his identity, what he wants for the few hours, there may be less shame, and he has a general idea of what he is there for. Camming? We're broadcasting into your homes where you are completely alone. You may think we're just talking to you and you alone. So the fantasy can become completely blurred for the customer because they don't see us physically going from customer to customer, changing, on the phone with boyfriends, leaving for the night, etc.

    I think doing backflips for those who don't understand (and those who don't pay, CGN is pretty open about not or ever paying) isn't a valuable time investment. It is an interesting sociological case study of gendered addiction denial in general... but asides from fueling my admittedly borderline-ridiculous raging hard on for them: their opinion ultimately does not matter since they don't spend. They aren't our target audience from a promotional standpoint. Well they generate $ because their freeloading and clicking around generates ad revenue for MFC,SM and other sites where free chat is mandatory (CGN is here btw since Ive gotten PMs asking what it is. SW is usually referred to as 'that other forum', they have some history here here and here)

    When I keep it honest with customers the fantasy is killed and I lose money. That is what the fantasy and customer service is. Look two weeks a longtime customer said that he did not believe what I said was my level of education. Since we had a brief conversation about the debt ceiling fiasco he'd been suspicious, he kept hounding me because he did not know a cam model could know what 'default' means. So I eventually told him the truth. He did all of this nervous laughter, quizzed me jokingly, compared me to him (oh no! Im human, ahhh) freaked out - and I haven't seen him since. I used to see this customer about 3times a week for 6months. If my honesty is financially rewarded (I am a worker more than I am an object - the bottomline is king), Id give it.

    Men are shocked&appalled when their misogyny is met with misandry, as if there won't be a response to to that crappy system. That 'misandry' isn'tt even substantive because asides from complaining about customers in threads & hurting non-paying customer's feelings.... what impact does it have in a pervasive big way that can be prepared to misogyny? Not much.

    If your motives are dishonest for being in this cam room with me (you just want to chat, fall in love, befriend, save, instruct) when my purpose is very clear (sexual, titillating, earning, flattering) - then is it my problem for profiting off of your misunderstanding or the site's? Or is it reflective of how lonely technology is making members of the world? Or how the porn industry is changing? Whose problem is that exactly? Id say it is the customer's problem for being dishonest about his motives.

    If men want to chat me up and get to know me in public at the supermarket Id be fine with it. Im not expecting money, they aren't expected to pay, it is not a sexual setting, we're just two fully dressed regular people trying to buy cantaloupes. Does this happen? Uh, not really. Im too human then.. so I am probably of no use to you sexually since I'm not visual objectification fodder. But does it happen whenever I click 'broadcast' 'go online' 'launch cam'... yes. Within seconds. I expect this, I dress and behave intentionally to create that lull of objectification. So that makes me an asshole?

    If men are addicted to the cam industry then reading this would be helpful for them to learn that when someone is dehumanized they eventually dehumanize you back. Sure the system is dehumanizing but there are individuals within this system. When someone's job is to be an object and you refuse to do it and get mad when the object talks or bites back - then why are you here? Like Supa, Im fully aware that my body is my brand is my business. Sasha Grey is one of my favorite porn performers because she was very upfront about this: she is a vehicle of sexual desire for profit. She's still viewed as intelligent, still loves her customers, but knows what her purpose is and how to profit from it.

    Why that hurts and is so enraging to some consumers, Im not sure. Virgin Whore complex? The object of your fantasy views you like an object too? So much of capitalism thrives on women's labor and women's bodies (take agriculture, farming, clothes, beauty, fashion industry, etc) - is it upsetting when the woman is more direct about this auto-"exploitation"? Much of what CGN appears to take issue with is capitalism in general and independent workers of the sex industry specifically - but relegate sex workers into being lumpenproletariat - useless mindless slaves...instead of just regular workers, working for a regular shitty boss. Because we sell ourselves, we're extra-special and extra-mean.

    Again, customers on SW get it, porn customers get it, escort and IRL customers sometimes get it, but most cam customers don't. The good ones get it, the regulars get it. But the ones who stalk, obsess, get weird, etc. are the ones who don't are such a headache.

    Im also not sure why they think we'd be upset if they said bad things about cam girls - customers do it all the time. Its in forums everywhere. In every cam girl's room right now. Its subconsciously in the mind of every pirater who downloads us without paying. This isn't new to us and flatly they do all the time: that weird myopic focus on sexual exploitation is its own form of insult (when B, I 100% agree with your post here: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/i...showtopic=3026, all labor exploitation is fucked up - making it specifically gendered and specifically about sex and specifically about a glamorized and taboo industry makes your motives as 'concerned consumers' hilariously suspect).

    Your opinion impacts my business practices when you pay. I am a brand, I am for sale. I want to create as much hype about me as the next iPhone - because I am an iPhone. Steve Jobs doesn't care about the linux open-source users who don't buy his product - because they don't buy his product. Successful (consensual) sex workers think the same except the product is them. If that messes with your perception of how women are supposed to behave or perceive themselves - then, man, you really thought this capitalism thing was just a boy's club?

    ..... Cough, well OK, yes it is, but Id like a small whiff of that boy's club before the revolution. Id like to fund the revolution myself if I can.

    But liberation (whatever that means to you) won't come on the backs of the crushed dreams of a virgin/whore complex.
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    I guess I'm in the minority... I don't treat all the guys that come into my chat as worthless wankers. I find that most of them, that I come in contact with anyway, are actually quite decent. I wouldn't, and don't, sit around shit talking the guys enabling me to pay my bills while staying at home with my kids and going to school full time. I understand what I am on cam for, and I find that the majority of guys "get it" too and are okay with it.

    But that's just me.

    Some of you really put a lot of thought into this! Which is great, if that's what you want to do and have the time for it, I just prefer to get on cam and make money to get me through school for now... I could never sit around and analyze something like this unless it was my life long goal to be a cam girl. Kudos to you guys tho! Sorry for my non deeply intellectual perspective!

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    Wow. Great Replies! All of them!!

    Supa, roast: I am not worried in the least what CGN people think or white knights in general, but the "dilution of the Brand" by fragmenting the mythos/fantasy/illusion. I mean, it is poor business for SJ to be caught saying "Man, I make these Iphones, and BOY, since this thing isn't what it seems, those people who buy it are fucking losers..." and would probably hurt business, since many buy with their emotions as opposed to what reality dictates.

    roast: CGN doesn't bother me. It is just another place filled with opinions. And we all know what they say about opinions...

    I am much more concerned with the harm the members of the SW Camming community can do to the livelihood and business of camming, than I am with what CGN might do. In many ways, I feel there are a few people there who are pretty interesting in point of view, and few others whom I would grant enemy of my enemy status and so give truce to, so long as they remain at least fairly within the lines of reality...But generally, I think that a goodly portion of the SW, AC, and CGN community are either unable or unwilling or too lazy to consider the big picture. That is the world...don't have to like it, but it is...

    Sarah: Don't apologize, you took the time to read and think about this and to give us your perspective even if it is one which doesn't satisfy my need for social and political and philosophical awareness of things I involve myself in, it DOES tell me how others (at least one anyway) think and feel and relate to their world and their job and this business.

    For me, I think about this and try to decipher the meaning of things others will think are crap, or to change MFC when it is like one Ant trying to move the rubbertree plant (I got HIGGHHHH HOPES!), or to rail against the unfairness and lack of concern for workers shown by SM, when in the end, it really does change nothing. I do these things because this business, along with the corollary fetish businesses, have provided for me for YEARS, and I hope to have them provide for me for years to come, and to enter this bigger "owner" playing field on a level plane and yet still use my moral compass and my ethics to possibly drive business that those who are morally and ethically bankrupt cannot. So it truly behooves me to spend time pondering and learning and listening and communicating.

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    There are a few forums I post under my real cam name and real avatar pic because I know my customers read it. On one forum a similar topic like this came up - roast (or rXXXt) as roast the performer spoke very differently.

    Here -If this were my cam name it would be diplomatic status all the way... which is why I made a point to not use my cam name on SW, it is more freeing, there is less spin. I think those who post non-anonymously are bound by different rules and I respect it, it is part of their business.

    Which is what Im getting at.

    Ive been doing some form of sex work for awhile and probably always will in some capacity. Im not a freshfaced romantic or artist. I'm not here temporarily. I have to think and behave longterm and realistically. There are regulars I have who are fantastic people - I really enjoy interacting with them. However writing about that here has no purpose since we're not really romantics, we all know there is an expiration date

    Some of these fantastic regulars view me as a disposable sex object - ok - they also follow my rules which is mostly what any other sex worker wants. what you say doesn't hurt me, how you view me doesnt hurt me but how you waste my time hurts me.

    I don't not want to be viewed as a sex object - I know what kind of site Im on - just don't want to have to tell you what Im doing is work that deserves compensation.

    I agree with Supa that open forums like these probably expose way too much about the business, which is why people obsess over it (our traffic rank is higher than I thought). But it also means we've been doing a solid job doing our job?

    When porn customers start demanding en masse for their money back because they discovered porn stars fake orgasms - Ill give disillusioned cam consumers more sympathy.





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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    when porn customers start demanding en masse for their money back because they discovered porn stars fake orgasms - ill give disillusioned cam consumers more sympathy.
    LoL!!! +1


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    No disagreement there, and I love the concept and visualization of some shlub coming into the Adult Book Store, with the DVD in his clenched and jizz covered fist....

    "Hey! That one girl....the one screaming and clawing the sheets out from under her as she has the 12th orgasm in that scene! I think she faked that last one!!! I want my goddamn money back! This isn't pro wrestling dammit, this is PORN!!! Isn't anything sacred!?!?"

    Ever the optimist, intrepid porn fan believes till the end in the other 11 orgasms!

    I am less worried about the fans themselves, and more worried about market share and perception of us becoming more negative in a larger scale...probably just worrying for nothing, but that write-up just made me think and look at SW from the perceptive point of view of "Wow, there are a LOT of references to customers which are, shall we say, less than flattering..."

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    Ok I may be a bit slow but what is "CGN"?

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    Curious how you'd respond.

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    Lordy,

    That thread is too deep for me...


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    Lordy,

    That thread is too deep for me...
    No way! You got a big brain!!

    Basically it comes down to:

    THis site is read by fans, ex-fans, aliens, camsite owners, the gods of most major religions, anti-sex folk, pro sex folk, figments, and many other forms of living and imaginary creature...But the Fans, and Ex-fans, Regulars, Camsite bums, and other tippers and show watchers and so on...

    Now, that being said...anonymous or not, an awful lot of girls say an awful lot of pretty awful stuff about their custies, and it gets out there because this site is also archived to google, and so my question is...

    Is it good to have the general run of customer aware of how camgirls talk about them when no on the camsite?

    Not a huge worry, but something to keep in mind, since this is in no WAY a private place to vent, but more like the middle of a large train station.

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    Yea, I see the point..through my cloudy haze of Tussionex (narcotic cough medicine..the BEST!)
    I'm just not lucid enough to contribute anything of value today , but I'm feeling good! Haha...


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    I was just over there just now and my eyes hurt. I thought that blog died out in 08 and 09 because I've come across it many times over but I didn't see any posts marked in 2011. So I just read and left with a headache.

    So after looking around with (Advil in hand) I figured out that it's mainly cam customers, cam customers that deal with women in 3rd world countries and studio models in 3rd world countries a few US and UK ladies there but I see their writing seems to tip toe around topics.

    The main topics are
    1. I fell in love what do I do?
    2. How can I meet a cam model over seas?
    3. Does she love me because I spent so much?
    4. Some piracy concerns
    5. Running out of topics so they come here to copy and paste hoping to make up a new threads.
    6. Being scared of SWers because we chat about the pros and cons about what we go through which makes them think we hate men. It's funny because you can go to the dancer side of SW and see that they have pretty much the same comments. Only difference is that it's in person. So hmm how could this possibly be? Maybe men need to take a closer look at each other for the respectful men on sites get it. The ones on these sites looking for something else typically complain about us. Nothing new there. Same issue with ugly men complaining about hot women not dating them. Yes and they'll call all women stuck up when they are the ones not attracted to women in their age range or body type. Hmm

    I wouldn't waste my time over there signing up.

    And please Bambalina don't get Roast fired up with " you've been called out" and "how will you respond". Let those guys chat among those that have the same mindset and let us stay here and continue on with whatever we're used to babbling about.

    Someone quoted my "Camgirl Diary post" and there wasn't even a response after that for almost 5 months. Also when a blog site has to copy and paste discussions from another blog site that states they've run out of things to talk about. In other words they're bored.

    So go ahead and give them the discussions they need to bring that site back to life. But seriously posting " Ohh you've been called out Roast" and "let's see how you will respond" just seems like more drama.

    Way too over board. Now if she decides to par take in the discussions then I'll enjoy reading her well written thoughts.

    But my god how much time do people have these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    And please Bambalina don't get Roast fired up with " you've been called out" and "how will you respond". Let those guys chat among those that have the same mindset and let us stay here and continue on with whatever we're used to babbling about.

    So go ahead and give them the discussions they need to bring that site back to life. But seriously posting " Ohh you've been called out Roast" and "let's see how you will respond" just seems like more drama.

    Way too over board.
    Oh, Ive seen them talk about me for months. The specifics of this thread isn't news or interesting to me, but I appreciate it. I also agree.

    Im aware that this thread is a circuitous attempt to stretch out previous threads that were closed & we were told to let die by mods (which may be why this thread is getting so many views for a pretty simple topic? and probably why my usually lowkey profile is suddenly slammed with views).

    But Ive intentionally just viewed it as very broad discussion for broad discussions sake / sex worker empowerment thread to sit in our archives. Thanks though

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    add in after the fact: I hope when I said I agreed with B's CGN post on labor exploitation it wasn't misread as me attacking her. I meant "you" as in the proverbial "you", not B specifically. I thought it was a good point

    More importantly we've been warned already - if I was warned than you must have been also. I'm sure you were told to add me to your ignore list (you're on mine, so I don't see your posts. So I just got the jist of this thread from the context). it is a conversation topic that comes up a lot in online sex work - I had no intention of derailing this by either my comments or presence.

    OP, I recommend just adding me to your ignore list. Once Im added - I disappear. Poof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    I was just over there just now and my eyes hurt. I thought that blog died out in 08 and 09 because I've come across it many times over but I didn't see any posts marked in 2011. So I just read and left with a headache.

    So after looking around with (Advil in hand) I figured out that it's mainly cam customers, cam customers that deal with women in 3rd world countries and studio models in 3rd world countries a few US and UK ladies there but I see their writing seems to tip toe around topics.

    The main topics are
    1. I fell in love what do I do?
    2. How can I meet a cam model over seas?
    3. Does she love me because I spent so much?
    4. Some piracy concerns
    5. Running out of topics so they come here to copy and paste hoping to make up a new threads.
    6. Being scared of SWers because we chat about the pros and cons about what we go through which makes them think we hate men. It's funny because you can go to the dancer side of SW and see that they have pretty much the same comments. Only difference is that it's in person. So hmm how could this possibly be? Maybe men need to take a closer look at each other for the respectful men on sites get it. The ones on these sites looking for something else typically complain about us. Nothing new there. Same issue with ugly men complaining about hot women not dating them. Yes and they'll call all women stuck up when they are the ones not attracted to women in their age range or body type. Hmm

    I wouldn't waste my time over there signing up.

    And please Bambalina don't get Roast fired up with " you've been called out" and "how will you respond". Let those guys chat among those that have the same mindset and let us stay here and continue on with whatever we're used to babbling about.

    Someone quoted my "Camgirl Diary post" and there wasn't even a response after that for almost 5 months. Also when a blog site has to copy and paste discussions from another blog site that states they've run out of things to talk about. In other words they're bored.

    So go ahead and give them the discussions they need to bring that site back to life. But seriously posting " Ohh you've been called out Roast" and "let's see how you will respond" just seems like more drama.

    Way too over board. Now if she decides to par take in the discussions then I'll enjoy reading her well written thoughts.

    But my god how much time do people have these days?

    Bambalina, Please leave Roast alone. Continually starting threads like this is making you look like a bully and is causing unneeded drama. Seriously. This needs to stop. What this community is supposed to be is a supportive environment. By constantly trying to make a member look bad or by picking fights with people you are doing just the opposite.

    Look- people come here to get advice and for support. We all have enough drama in our lives. I can't speak for everyone, but I am assuming most people don't want to log on to SW and see this high school bullshit.

    You've made your point. You want people to follow the rules on MFC. We get it. Now leave Roast alone, quit starting new threads on the same topic, and mind your business regarding what other girls do. If you spent as much time working as you did writing on message boards and worrying about other girls, you would be one WEALTHY woman. There is a reason why a bunch of your threads have been closed. Quit instigating shit and grow up. I've seen you refer to yourself as an "old lady"---please start to act like one.

    Seriously. This is so toxic to our community.

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    LAChloe, Agreed.

    This drama is so draining, and negative. *Sigh*
    Taking a break from all unproductive shit will prove to be the best choice you can make.

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    I 100% apologize if this was seen as 'drama'. It was not meant to be drama in any sense, nor have I insulted or been rude to anyone.

    If ANYONE took offense I again apologize, especially if roast felt at ALL attacked by any of my words.

    I posted a member of CGNs stuff here, and I was honestly curious of what people thought, since people elsewhere noting the negative tone toward customers that is expressed HERE, is something that might concern some girls here, especially those who ARE detectable as their real cam name.

    I did NOT expect the wonderful and intelligent discussion that ensued, and most especially not the very welcome peaceful co-existence of roast and I and so was very much enjoying this...

    I went to CGN, as I do lately (since roast mentioned it and the white knight stuff in the other thread, I went back to see what all was up there, because, like cherry, I usually see it as kind of dead and without much real discussion designed for ME to read...) and there are a few interesting threads based off of OUR discussions, just as roast hinted there was (which made me think she obviously goes there and reads, otherwise how would she know?) and so when I saw one that was responding directly to her posts here, I figured she might want to know. *I* would want to know if people were directly using my words and quoting me and then picking them apart. THAT was my only motivation.

    They (CGN) can be faulted for many things, but they cannot be faulted for not bringing the discussion to US, since they are not allowed to post here. So, they take the discussions here, and discuss them on THEIR forum. I'm not sure how I feel about our words being taken there, without permission, and re-posted (they usually do like BamXXXXXX for the name), but nonetheless, I see WHY they do it, since they are not allowed here.

    Also, I was asked by the mod to stop the drama, to not get into it. I was NEVER asked to NOT talk about MFC and their RULES. I was never asked not to discuss CGN. I was never asked to stop discussing ANYTHING. Just to stop participating in drama.

    So, I removed the post you all felt caused drama, and I am moving on from it. No harm intended, and if any was caused, I'm sorry.

    B

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    This is drama?


    tessarubyxoxo: somehow i ended up on SW's homepage.... then i clicked on "forums." & i was in fucking narnia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    This is drama?
    I honestly did not feel it was. I felt I was pointing out something that roast might have wanted to know. It was seen as me being a jerk somehow, and so I opt, since I'd rather have peace than war, and since roast seems to see some sort of ulterior motives to my posts, to not continue with that line of dialogue and possibly to better go back to discussing the actual starter of this all.

    I'd like to ask, as a corollary subject, if you think, as I do, that the actual attitudes of the patrons has changed extremely over the last year?

    I mean, I saw a slow slide to a more reserved, less extravagant spending mode happening as long as about 3 years ago, and it slowly accelerated. But since the dam burst on MFC of free for all, do whatever, rule breaking insertion and masturbation and close-up and hardcore girl-girl, the attitudes seem to have changed at an ever increasing rate.

    I used to have so many men who played the "Goddess, if it pleases you, may I please have your favor?" types, I mean, it wasn't just fetish, but guys who treated me and girls who worked with me, as more like stars, or more like we were on the pedestal. Whereas nowadays, it seems like MUCH MUCH more openly blatant disregard for respectfulness.."open pussy bb!" and shit like that, all the way to more openly showing they feel the ladies are Camwhores and should have to perform for them...like it is a duty, instead of being THEIR lucky day...

    Don't get me wrong, the other kind of cool respectful customer is still there, just more few and far between at an alarmingly accelerating rate.

    I think it's possible that what I'm seeing is a widening divide. The cool respectful pedestal guy is going the way of the dodo bird, and at the same time there is a HUGE influx of newbies who are coming into camming with an attitude, because they see the way it works...Free shows are the norm, and respect is necessary because the other guy will tip you there...you just have to stay within the lines of not getting kicked out and banned, no more or less...

    Anyway, just curious what you all think?

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    [Decided to delete this in light of something said in another thread re: too much info/openness.]
    Last edited by Noa; 08-10-2011 at 07:56 AM.

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    My theory is that we need a really great way to reward the good custies and punish the bad ones, especially considering that now the bad ones AND the good ones get a free hardcore cum show everytime they go to MFC...so what kind of stick do we have left?

    Sigh...I do think customers need a HUGE reminder on a pretty constant basis that this is a JOB and that when they aren't spending it certainly isn't helpful to the flow of the show...

    B

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