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    There have been riots in London since Saturday and my stupid club is still open here are some clips
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    yes there has been plenty of US news coverage of the UK riots.

    I would add that the UK riots also seem to have something in common with the Wisconsin street violence ... from

    (snip)So where WERE the police? Shopkeepers mystified at tactics that left them defenceless

    Officers accused of inaction as looting mobs go wild

    Cameron leads calls for more robust policing

    Top Yard commander: 'We need to do more for London'

    All able-bodied officers and special constables called in

    Plastic bullets would be used for first time 'if deemed necessary'"(snip)


    Latest trend in the UK seems to include the perpetrators not only robbing victims but also taking their clothes !



    If you wind up being similarly victimized, as a 'stripper' you might be able to ask the perp to pay you some of the money already stolen from other victims in exchange for being forced to strip in public !!!

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    and mainstream UK media is also starting to speak to the 'taboo subject' ... from


    (snip)"Toby Young’s Telegraph blog post on the riots was published. Is Toby Young the only journalist out there who will dare say that these riots are about race?

    Still, one paper did carry a photo of Mr Duggan. When I saw the photo, it confirmed what I knew instinctively: black youths once again have set London alight.

    Some of the black kids I used to teach will tell you that the riots are absolutely justified. A number of adults would agree with them. Everywhere I read that the protest was understandable because “people are very angry”.

    I’d like to know what they’re angry about. Mark Duggan is dead. He was shot by the police in a shootout. Duggan was in a minicab and shots were fired from both the cab and the police elsewhere. A police officer was hurt in the incident and a bullet was found lodged in a police radio. Either Duggan was shooting at the police or the driver of the minicab was. Either Duggan was in the wrong place at the wrong time and his death is a terrible tragedy – he was caught in the crossfire – or he shot at the police and the police defended themselves. Whatever the explanation, the police did not kill this man in cold blood.

    Yet, a friend of Duggan who gave her name as Niki, 53, said marchers had wanted “justice for the family” and “something had to be done”. She said some of them lay in the road to make their point. “They’re making their presence known because people are not happy. This guy was not violent. Yes, he was involved in things but he was not an aggressive person. He had never hurt anyone.”

    I wonder what “involved in things” means? I also wonder whether the police officer who was hurt at the scene believes Mark Duggan never hurt anyone. “Something had to be done”? She makes it sound as if the police are killing black people every other weekend and finally someone decided to take a stand.

    At school I remember watching a presentation given to the kids by Trident, the Metropolitan Police Service unit set up to investigate and inform communities of gun crime in London’s black community. I didn’t know what Trident was then, and it struck me that all of the photos of people shot (the idea was to scare the kids) were black. So at the end, I approached one of the policemen and asked him what percentage of those involved in gun crime were black. I kid you not, but my question made this thirty-something white man who was, after all, trained to deal with the black community and its issues, turn pink.

    He explained that about 80 per cent of gun crime took place in the black community. I smiled uncomfortably. But no, he said, it was worse than that. Then he told me that 80 per cent was black on black gun crime, and that of the remaining 20 per cent about 75 per cent involved at least one black person: black shooting white, or white shooting black. I pushed to know more. While he kept saying his stats were crude and he didn’t have scientific numbers, on the whole the whites who were involved in these shootings tended to be from Eastern Europe.

    Was any of this ever mentioned in their presentation? Of course not. Just like the news about the Tottenham riots doesn’t mention race either.

    Problems cannot be addressed unless people are willing to tell the truth. As with so many other things in this country, we stick our heads in the sand and refuse to speak out about it.(snip)

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    How is taking their clothes different than robbing? The only time i've been mugged at gun point they took my shoes as well.
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    love love love it.......how dare a white person say what is a known fact....that the maj of crime is black related.......you never see this with other races.....if other races protest..its done like the 60s.....not an excuse to loot....if it truly was for a cause....they would stand up and speak...like MLK did....peacefully.... facts are facts....like melonie said.....you must address the truth of the matter......
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    When life gives you lemons, make lemonade... then find someone whose life gave them vodka, and have a party.

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    ^The point was that people are afraid to even say the word "black" because they're so afraid of being labeled racist, and apparently, these riots are entirely race-related. At least the original riots were, until mob mentality took over and people just starting joining in for the hell of it.


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    The original PROTEST (not riots at that point) was not race-related, it happened to be made up of mainly black people because they were the friends, family and local community of the guy who was killed by police.

    It very quickly deteriorated into these riots which are being carried out by morons with no clue or concern for the original issue at hand and yes, I have seen some of them mentioning racial issues on the news (Eg. a white guy saying he was looting from businesses to 'even things out as the foreigners are taking our jobs').

    A lot of them though, seem to be involved purely to follow the crowd, kids thinking it's some kind of game to literally take whatever they can get and cause damage, and do not even have any deeper motivation, which is equally as pathetic. For what it's worth I have been on the street and seen the looting happening and the crowd I saw was very mixed race-wise.

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    There could be a big riot in Chicago according to Chicago Sun Times article.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchel...in-london.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerBall View Post
    There could be a big riot in Chicago according to Chicago Sun Times article.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchel...in-london.html
    That article is nothing but fear-mongering.

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    I don't care much for Russell Brand one way or the other, but I thought he made some good points below. I think what he said applies to the U.S. as well.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...s-davidcameron

    That state of deprivation though is, of course, the condition that many of those rioting endure as their unbending reality. No education, a weakened family unit, no money and no way of getting any. JD Sports is probably easier to desecrate if you can't afford what's in there and the few poorly paid jobs there are taken. Amidst the bleakness of this social landscape, squinting all the while in the glare of a culture that radiates ultraviolet consumerism and infrared celebrity. That daily, hourly, incessantly enforces the egregious, deceitful message that you are what you wear, what you drive, what you watch and what you watch it on, in livid, neon pixels. The only light in their lives comes from these luminous corporate messages. No wonder they have their fucking hoods up.

    I remember Cameron saying "hug a hoodie" but I haven't seen him doing it. Why would he? Hoodies don't vote, they've realised it's pointless, that whoever gets elected will just be a different shade of the "we don't give a toss about you" party.

    Politicians don't represent the interests of people who don't vote. They barely care about the people who do vote. They look after the corporations who get them elected. Cameron only spoke out against News International when it became evident to us, US, the people, not to him (like Rose West, "He must've known") that the newspapers Murdoch controlled were happy to desecrate the dead in the pursuit of another exploitative, distracting story.

    Why am I surprised that these young people behave destructively, "mindlessly", motivated only by self-interest? How should we describe the actions of the city bankers who brought our economy to its knees in 2010? Altruistic? Mindful? Kind? But then again, they do wear suits, so they deserve to be bailed out, perhaps that's why not one of them has been imprisoned. And they got away with a lot more than a few fucking pairs of trainers.

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    the riots have NOTHING to do with race
    the rioters and looters were a mixed crowd as london is a mixed place and in areas like Bristol with a very small black pop and a mostly white most of the rioters and looters were... white as the population is.
    its started off as a peaceful demonstration with mainly black people (yes black people being peaceful OMG!!! and they were his family) and those that wanted anarchy took advantage and weren't connected to the family of the dead man. a lot of those charged in connection with the riots were white and over 18. so its not the youth or a black problem but a larger more encompassing issue(s).

    "how dare a white person say what is a known fact" so many racist idiots are showing them selves and hiding behind a the guise of revolution. some of you are beyond disgusting.

    when there is any effort for a community to address issues that affect them some people tend to want answers agree with their assumptions and alleged "facts" instead of criticism that might challenge their racist thinking and actions that will lead to real change but this would mean to start treating and thinking of those unlike you like human beings. some of you want the answers that says black= criminal and inferior and anything else is wrong and people being afraid of being pc or tackling a taboo subject. oh please!!!
    i've seen lots of protests and these riots aren't a protest against the death of this man or any form of protest. some looters like the daughter of a millionaire or people that work for the council simply don't care or have an ounce of respect for anyone so they feel they have burn, break and steal what ever they want. the looters were of all colours, cultures and economic backgrounds and the issues and problems about why so many looted and rioted are complex and multi-layered as society is and isn't as simple as blame it on the blacks which would so comfort some people's ignorant racist reasoning.

    some of the american posters in the thread really need to check them selves because you clearly don't have a clue what has being happening in my city. so many people this week have made me sick to my stomach and some of you are adding to it. please take some time out to read about british history and quote not quote BS so you don't look so vapid and one dimensional next time. give me a complex well thought of post with even a drop of common sense and i might not feel the need to treat some posters in here with so much contempt.

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    How do you truly know their reasons unless you are one of the rioters. Hey there could have been some albino blacks in the riot too. You sound like you know too much about this and the reasons.
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    From my friends in London I've heard conflicting things regarding the riots and race... Like all things, I'm pretty sure it's a mix of all different kind of motivations.

    To pretend the whole riot is about race is illogical, but to suggest that race hasn't played a major factor is equally bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Really? You got THAT from what she said?
    I did.

    This thread is going to go the same way as the other one...commonsense people saying that PC is bad; and posters like you shouting everyone down as a racist if they dare to talk about the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

    You know who I kinda feel bad for? The responsible, upstanding black people in this country. I worked with a black guy in the late 90s (fellow sales guy). We'd have to occasionally make sales calls together, and we never talked about race...not because it was uncomfortable, but...we just never did...except ONE time....I remember we were riding together, and the radio was on, and a report came over the radio about a murder (this was in Miami). As we're listening, the name of the guy who committed the murder came over, and it was obviously a black name...and this guy that I'm riding with kinda looked over at me and said "man, I was really hoping that they'd have said his name was John Smith."

    I felt kinda bad for him...that's a big thing to deal with...knowing that a large segment of the population of "your people" keep disappointing you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    As we're listening, the name of the guy who committed the murder came over, and it was obviously a black name...and this guy that I'm riding with kinda looked over at me and said "man, I was really hoping that they'd have said his name was John Smith."
    "John Smith" is a white name? Well whadya know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephele View Post
    "John Smith" is a white name? Well whadya know...

    -- Nephele
    Who is not sure what a "black name" is.

    Cmon...I didn't even say that...HE DID. This is the exact thing I mean...you can't make a comment about race without something like this as the comeback.


    Can we just have an honest conversation about this without the PC bullshit?

    I don't think we can...and because we can't, we'll never solve some issues in this country.

    And some of those issues aren't even about race. Try calling out single mothers as a bad parenting model, and you're pilloried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    Cmon...I didn't even say that...HE DID.
    I didn't accuse you of saying that. I was merely amused by your colleague's comment, as names are obviously an interest of mine (I've been anagramming them on this board for the past five years.) Please don't be so sensitive.

    Yes, there are certain names that are associated with the black community, and there is no denying that certain names are more in use by black people than by white people (Shaniqua, LaToya, etc.). But there are no exclusively "black" or "white" names, and I have known more than a few white people with so-called "black" names (and vice versa).

    When I hear a stereotypical "black" or "white" or "Jewish" name mentioned on the radio, I don't automatically ascribe a race or ethnicity to the person bearing that name. That's not being "P.C." – that's being skeptical.

    And I do agree with you that a lot of the problems facing society are "not about race." From what I'm seeing of the rioting (as well as hearing from my British in-laws and friends over in England), this actually appears to be more of an out of control youth problem than anything else. Not saying that race isn't a factor, but I think there's a bigger picture to look at here, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    Cmon...I didn't even say that...HE DID. This is the exact thing I mean...you can't make a comment about race without something like this as the comeback.


    Can we just have an honest conversation about this without the PC bullshit?

    I don't think we can...and because we can't, we'll never solve some issues in this country.

    And some of those issues aren't even about race. Try calling out single mothers as a bad parenting model, and you're pilloried.
    Yes! I am being attacked on another site right now because of this and because I am the only one who had the guts to say that the welfare class is what is causing a lot of this. Whether we want to acknowledge this or not, the breakdown of the family, and the result of out of wedlock babies (and dad not around) increases crime. We've made it acceptable to have several babies by different people not married and we support them! Yet if one discusses this we are called rightwing, Republican (not sure what political party has to do with decency) and the usual racist comments. Oh sure there are middle class kids raised by two parents who get in trouble but nowhere as much as kids born to a single mom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinkerBall View Post
    How do you truly know their reasons unless you are one of the rioters. Hey there could have been some albino blacks in the riot too. You sound like you know too much about this and the reasons.
    are you being sarcastic or slow?
    you can never judge or try to understand something without being part of it. are you being real?

    the rioters were a mix of people so clearly there're going to be a mix of issues and reasons as why some people looted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JadeJewel View Post
    The original PROTEST (not riots at that point) was not race-related, it happened to be made up of mainly black people because they were the friends, family and local community of the guy who was killed by police.

    It very quickly deteriorated into these riots which are being carried out by morons with no clue or concern for the original issue at hand and yes, I have seen some of them mentioning racial issues on the news (Eg. a white guy saying he was looting from businesses to 'even things out as the foreigners are taking our jobs').

    A lot of them though, seem to be involved purely to follow the crowd, kids thinking it's some kind of game to literally take whatever they can get and cause damage, and do not even have any deeper motivation, which is equally as pathetic. For what it's worth I have been on the street and seen the looting happening and the crowd I saw was very mixed race-wise.
    i've heard of alot of people involved that have NEVER been involved or known the to police or being in trouble.
    many people got involved and there is a deeper attitude that cuts across the society that has to do with many people not caring about others their property.

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    now HERE's a new proposal that would not only bring the UK riots to a quick end, but would 'save' the UK gov't badly needed gov't expenditures as well ... from


    (snip) Ministers are drawing up controversial plans to remove benefits from those convicted of taking part in the riots that engulfed England last week, in a move Liberal Democrats and independent experts have condemned as counter-productive and overly expensive.

    Officials in Number 10 and the department for work and pensions are putting together plans for the harsh punishment of those found guilty of even the most minor infringements during the riots after a public petition calling for such a move gathered nearly 200,000 signatures.

    Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary, is pushing a system that would see some benefits removed from looters, and others made conditional on attending a rehabilitation programme, which would include counselling and regular behavioural checks. It would apply only to those receiving lesser sentences, as anyone who goes to jail already automatically loses their benefits.

    An adviser to Mr Duncan Smith told the Financial Times: “[Mr Duncan Smith] feels very strongly that some of these guys need to be punished.”

    The aide said: “It depends on how you see benefits: are they a right or a privilege? Sanctions like this do send a strong message.”

    But the proposals threaten to cause a row at the heart of the coalition government, with many Lib Dems uneasy about such draconian measures. Julian Huppert, a Lib Dem MP, warned: “If you say to people there is no way for you to get money then that will lead to an increase in theft.”

    Stephen Lloyd, a Lib Dem member of the work and pensions select committee, said: “We need to be very careful to ensure there are no unintended consequences that lead to even more desperate situations.”(snip)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    I did.

    This thread is going to go the same way as the other one...commonsense people saying that PC is bad; and posters like you shouting everyone down as a racist if they dare to talk about the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

    You know who I kinda feel bad for? The responsible, upstanding black people in this country. I worked with a black guy in the late 90s (fellow sales guy). We'd have to occasionally make sales calls together, and we never talked about race...not because it was uncomfortable, but...we just never did...except ONE time....I remember we were riding together, and the radio was on, and a report came over the radio about a murder (this was in Miami). As we're listening, the name of the guy who committed the murder came over, and it was obviously a black name...and this guy that I'm riding with kinda looked over at me and said "man, I was really hoping that they'd have said his name was John Smith."

    I felt kinda bad for him...that's a big thing to deal with...knowing that a large segment of the population of "your people" keep disappointing you.

    Here is a discussion point for you ........

    When John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVey, Charles Manson with the Manson Family, etc etc happened ......... were white people ashamed for their race? did black people start thinking all white people are blood hungry? If some one is named John, Ted, Jeffery, Tim or Charles do people automatically think of the serial killers? Did responsible white men feel disappointed by these killers actions?

    No none of those things happened. So what is really the difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Una View Post
    are you being sarcastic or slow?
    you can never judge or try to understand something without being part of it. are you being real?

    the rioters were a mix of people so clearly there're going to be a mix of issues and reasons as why some people looted.
    You're the newbie here so learn to listen to us experienced more worldly posters on here and be more humble. You might learn something. You really need to work on your grammar, sentence structure, and capitalization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Oh sure there are middle class kids raised by two parents who get in trouble but nowhere as much as kids born to a single mom.
    I think they do. The main difference is, as Russell Brand said, the middle and upper class kids, when they grow up, are wearing suits instead of hoods when they get into trouble. It's just not as much out in the open. I'm sure most of those people selling bad mortgages, which brought our economy to a near collapse, where raised in middle and upper class homes with two parents. The same with those brokers who were calling stocks "crap" in private, but giving them high recommendations in public, and also all of those accountants and other executives in firms like Enron, and MCI-Worldcom, that were misrepresenting earnings, and which resulted in investors losing billions of dollars. I'm sure most of those millionaire and billionaire business executives who are closing down factories in the US with decent paying jobs, and moving them overseas to sweatshops with miserable working conditions grew up in nice homes with two parents.

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