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    I am part Korean and part Aboriginal (a native indian). My mother is the native one and our family history/culture is pretty much lost because of what happened to native people at the hands of Europeans. Many of my family members remember the days of reserve schools, where we were given "white" names and the culture was beaten out of us. Its a hard to think this happened to my family.

    Here is a quote from a movie that I found that best sums up the native experience. This is based on a real Historical event (look up the Trail of Tears on google to find out more). This happened to many native cultures when Europeans came.

    "but then the white man come and the Cherokee made a paper treaty with him. They said these white men ain't so bad. But then the government soilders came and said the treaty changed its words. And now the words said the Cherokee had to give up their homes and move far west where the government had other lands for them. Lands the white man did not want of course. And while the Cherokee tried to understand what the white man had done, the soilders had found this big ol' valley and came in with their guns and drove the Cherokee just like cattle and they filled up that whole valley. And then they brought in their mules and said "they can ride out west". Now the Cherokee had no land, no homes but they refused to ride. They could save something...they refused to ride so they walked. That was a long walk and as they got further and further from their mountains they began to die. At first it was just the very young and the very old so the soldiers stopped and let the Cherokee bury their dead. But more began to die, they died by the hundreds and then by the thousands. So the soldiers said "why don't you put your dead in the wagons" but they didn't. So the Cherokee carried them. Man carried his dead wife. Son carried his dead momma. little boy carried his dead baby sister. Now white people began to come and watch. But the Cherokee did not look, did not cry. That's why they call it the trail of tears." -From the movie The Education of Little Tree.

    BTW the land the Europeans took was used mainly to enslave black people. They used trickery to get us to sign treaty. Very similar to how they tricked Africans into giving away and enslaving their people.


    Anyhow back to my main topic, yesterday I got this ignorant idiotic comment in my chat room:

    "You don't look like a Asian, you look like a Squaw! go back to your teepee"

    Oh fuck my blood began to boil. I told him what an idiot he was because "indians" ARE Asian people. They are Mongoloid (Asian), as opposed to Caucasoid or Negroid. Oh and then I banned him not only for being a racist but for being such an idiot.

    Here is an interesting link on mongoloid races http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid

    BTW the word "squaw" is term that was used by white European men to refer to Indian woman. It actually has a different meaning in some native cultures however the word has become offensive because it has become tied to such a negative experience on the part of Indian women. The word when used in reference to our women means cunt, prostitute, dirty woman. So although it does have a different meaning, the word essentially became offensive when white men started using it to put down our women. Many Indian women were raped by white men and called "squaw" during the process. In other words, the word has become misappropriated and associated with hate.

    Its kinda like the "N" word in reference to black people. Yes the word does have another dictionary meaning which is "ignorant person", but it has become too tied to racism that the word has essentially lost its original meaning.



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    I'm sorry that happened to you. I don't understand why people are so stupid and uneducated that they don't think that they might offend people by saying such things.

    I had a cabdriver a while ago tell me that Toronto is filled with "non educated packis, niggers and chinks" and that's why he didn't go there. He was a white cab driver in Northern Ontario. Almost every immigrant has more education than he does and most of them are stuck in stupid jobs where they are way overqualified because their education doesn't mesh with "out standards".

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    ^ I have also been called a Chink an number of times too.. Completely ignorant because I am not Chinese.

    But being called squaw really made my skin crawl.



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    Thank you.. I have been called that so many time I never knew why..

    I'm sorry this happen to you.. some people are just morons...

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    " Yet, in the modern era, given the tragic history of non-Native treatment of Native American Indian women, the word "squaw" is often interpreted as an insult. For some, it represents the rape and abuse of Native women by white soldiers and fur traders; for others, it represents the prejudice experienced by reservation Indians. That being said, there is no need to rewrite or reframe the history of America to imply that every instance of its use was pejorative." From http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/squaw.html

    Oh and here is another lovely term "squaw hopping" which is:

    men rape a native woman, but instead of calling it "rape" they call it "squaw hopping". it is a dehumanizing, racist term which justifies the crime of rape on the grounds of the woman being a "squaw". thus, in some minds, rape becomes not "rape" (a serious crime) but "squaw hopping" (the same as rape but renamed to reflect the rapist/s racist beliefs)



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    Quote Originally Posted by sananeko View Post
    Thank you.. I have been called that so many time I never knew why..

    I'm sorry this happen to you.. some people are just morons...
    Go tell them to shoot themselves...then ban them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    Go tell them to shoot themselves...then ban them.
    If only you can ban them in the real world.. You should meet my neighbor.. Hes real good at mixing racist words together.. I'm just glad I don't get to see him much..

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    This is absolutely disgusting and I am so sorry for you. Being behind a computer screen brings out the worst in these bastards.

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    It always pisses me off when I'm being insulted it pushes me even more when racist words are said. Its like these people in a time warp.

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    I think most times these people are just trying to get a reaction out of you. They are bored, useless, and worthless in their real life. They come on the internet and surf paid webcam sites, and have no money.

    Their idea of fun is to harass people on the internet, because they are internet trolls. As soon as they get a reaction, it's like you took the bait. They will grab it and run with it.

    Ignore them. I guarantee 9 times out of 10 they will leave when they realize they are not pissing you off. The internet troll will not be amused when ignored, and he will leave.

    Sorry you experienced this, but on the internet people do this. I am black and have been called the N word so many times. A few times I fell for the bait and got pissed off, but most of the times I just ignore them and ban them. Ignoring them has been really effective for me.
    Taking a break from all unproductive shit will prove to be the best choice you can make.

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    I will not let people like that get to me anymore. To insult a person about something like race, age or body type is ridiculous. Those are things that cannot be changed. If everyone was the same "ideal beauty" this would be a very boring world. Ignorance is rampant and best to ignore these trolls.

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    I agree, Ban their trifling asses and don't give them the satisfaction of giving them a reaction. Just sit there put on a sexy smile and the BAN!!!!! They won't see it coming Words are powerful and they can hurt and cut deep, but YOU have to ALLOW it. You have to give your permission to allow these racist pricks,assholes,or jerks to upset you. You can chose to not let anyone take your power away. Rise above it because it's not what they call you, but what you answer to.

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    I'm really sorry I hate even talking about where I came from etc. My great-grandmother escaped Nazi persecution in Poland during WWII, and married a French-Canadian. Everyone that asked then got that answer then said 'Oh no wonder you're so dumb. It's okay, we'll be easy on you.' It's so lame.

    I studied Anthropology last year and people don't even realize that the term 'race' itself was founded on very racist terms and Old-World 'education.' 'Race' is defined as a way to differentiate people based on physical appearance. WHY would that even have a need? It's very strange. Anthropologists don't even regard race in studies, only culture. I hate 90% of the world's population for being so ignorant and mean.
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    ^^^we human beings seem to have an endless capacity to differentiate and discriminate...
    I've always been on the 'other' side of the skin-privilege/racialization coin...my mom is Mi'kmaq (Indigenous), yet I take after my dad. I'm literally this white-skinned, blue-eyed chica in a family of people who 'look' Indigenous, with dark hair, dark eyes, dark olive skin. Between them and my friends, most of whom are Black and brown-skinned, I'm acutely aware each day of how many unearned privileges I embody, and how differently I'm treated by the world than most of the people I love.
    I remember last year, during the G20 in T.O., the sick amusement I felt watching middle-class white people getting all up in arms over the flagrant abuses of civil rights perpetrated by the police...to most of my friends, especially the Black guys, being stopped, questioned and searched is a normal part of daily life.
    Thanks to all of you who have shared thus far, and to you OJenni!, for sharing your experience and for the mini history lesson. Alot of people don't realize, or just choose not to acknowledge, how historical constructions of race, and the heirarchical levels of privilege inherent to these constructions, still affect us today, including through language.
    These people require a liberal hand with the banhammer, and really need to die out and leave the world to the rest of us who actually want to create a more just and equitable society
    Now I'm gonna go listen to some Dead Prez
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    I've never been called racist terms, I just have people ask 'what are you' a lot... because I don't particularly look 'white', especially when I get the rare tan... Being an agoraphobe, that doesn't happen too often. Instead, I get people trying to figure out where I 'belong'.

    My dad's a huge, tall hulking Hispanic guy (Mexican/Columbian/Native mix, apparently), and my mom's this tiny, squat Caucasian woman with some native blood who no one would ever categorize as anything but white. I mostly take after my dad, with dark hair that starts getting those Spanish curls when it gets long, a brown-yellow tinge with sun exposure, and dark eyes. Pretty much all I got from my mom was some dilution in my dad's skin color and a balancing out of my height. My mom has some weird issues with my dad, so she always just called me white, which led to me having some odd, disassociative issues when it comes to race. Pretty much the only thing that offends me is actually being called white. I'll play the 'what are you' game all day, but I will BURN YOU with that banhammer if you assume I am caucasian

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    I get all kinds of names esp when they find out my background...I try to keep it as American since I am born here...I had nothing to do with 9/11 or bin ladin.n

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    *hugs* I'm sorry you had to put up with that inexcusable idiocy.
    Try and remember they're the ones that need to see someone beautiful frown just to get to feel SOMETHING in their cold shriveled hearts and limp cocks.
    I always seem to get shit for being asian, which I'm not - I have like, 1/8 asian blood that only survived in the form of face structure, but if I was asian, I'd be more proud and less baffled O.o

    On a related rant, I try to not let it get to me but fuck... STOP fucking trying to talk to me in spanish and calling me mamasita. I do not speak spanish, and neither do you, please stop insulting anyone who might actualy speak it, mkay? Its annoying.

    I know I look latina to some and asian to others and all of you love saying shit about that, but I'm actually as short, dark haired and light skinned as every-fucking-one that's from my area of the country (northern portugal). So get some actual prejudice against my ethnicity or GTFO.
    /end rant.

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    Sorry to hear that, OJenni.


    The past week or two there seems to have been a lot of nasty guys on MFC. Sometimes I'll be calling the 'n' word in a flirtatious manner by a guy. A guy posted on my wall "Mmmmm.....you are one hot nigger bitch!" LOL.

    And I don't know what the hell a 'porch monkey' is, but that's another term that racist idiots use for Black models.


    I think one of the worst things I've heard a guy say to a model is "I hope your mom suffered when she died of cancer." I witnessed a guy saying this to a MFC model. SMH.
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    i'm also mixed native (cheyenne) but really lightskinned so i don't frequently get shit from cam customers (since the subject of my race doesn't come up very often, most just assume i am white though i'm not)...but when i do it really gets to me. i'm so sorry this happened to you. people are really just assholes sometimes. i'm so there with you on the erasure of history. my dad's side of the family is cheyenne but all except a few of my relatives deny their history and my one uncle who was very involved with our tribe died when i was really young - i have some of the things that belonged to him but i never really got to know him. it's a huge part of the intergenerational silence in our family. no one talks about anything. my mom's side is white and black, and if it weren't so obvious (it's not in me but it is in my other biracial and multiracial relatives) i swear they'd deny it, too. when i was younger i was taught to always pass because it's easier and because i'm considered lucky since i can - and while i am very aware of my lightskinned privilege, it also makes me really angry how much of my/our history we've lost as a result of trying so damn hard to be white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrownFox View Post
    Sorry to hear that, OJenni.


    The past week or two there seems to have been a lot of nasty guys on MFC. Sometimes I'll be calling the 'n' word in a flirtatious manner by a guy. A guy posted on my wall "Mmmmm.....you are one hot nigger bitch!" LOL.

    And I don't know what the hell a 'porch monkey' is, but that's another term that racist idiots use for Black models.


    I think one of the worst things I've heard a guy say to a model is "I hope your mom suffered when she died of cancer." I witnessed a guy saying this to a MFC model. SMH.
    "porch monkey" is a very racist yet ironic term.

    What is it exactly? Its a comment that references black people from the south. Because poverty is so rampant in the south among black people many cannot afford air conditioners. So they sit on their porches.

    The monkey part is in reference to the fact that *some* white people think black people are sub-human. Apes and monkeys are what we are thought to evolve from and these white people believe black people are still lower on the evolution chain.


    Why do I think this term is so ironic? BECAUSE A BLACK MAN INVENTED THE MODERN REFRIGERATOR!! A man by the name of John Standard, a black man, invented this household appliance. The same technology that cools your fridge also cools your home. So Standard did have much influence on air conditioning systems.

    Fredric Jones, another black man, invented the air conditioner.

    The modern fridge was a precursor to the air conditioner. Sure there were white people that invented refrigeration systems before Standard did, but those systems took a lot more upkeep. So if you have a modern fridge in your kitchen (which all of us do...I believe those old ones phased out in the 20s?) you can thank a black man for that.

    John Standard also invented the oil stove.

    What's sad about the term "porch monkey" is that it makes a mockery of the situation of many black people in the south. Poverty. The fact that black men invented refrigeration and air conditioning, yet many of their own people can't afford A/C is sad.



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    Well not really racist but.....

    Listen, I understand where you guys are coming from. It's horrible.

    I can relate somewhat - being that I have health issues and all that - I cannot keep weight on. so I get called a crackwhore and asked if I have had 4 cheeseburgers lately....or I need to eat them.

    Being THIS skinny sucks and all of the comments, racist or not, is SUPER hurtful.

    Keep your heads up ladies.

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    When people say things like this to me I feel like it eats away at a piece of my being--it's just hard to absorb.
    I've found it easiest to just put up a wall. A lot of people (that I have encountered, in the least) seem to be more willing in accepting their false history than factual information. Ignorance is not bliss=/

    What I really just...hate is getting it from both sides. It makes me feel completely worthless. When you have a select group making negative references to your indigenous side, that is one thing...but when you are called an 'apple' and constantly referred to as white and therefore less of a tribal member/human being by their standards by your indigenous elders---it makes life hard.

    Thankyou for sharing your story. I'm sorry you had to go through that=(

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    I'm sorry that happened to you. I was born and raised in South Africa in a biracial family and have a mixed background like most South Africans.

    Racism plays havoc on all levels of society, including your identity and self esteem. I'm still shocked by the lack of awareness about Aboriginal issues in Canada or just flat outright racism by many people who would never accept they are racist.

    The fact that Canada still has a department of Aboriginal affairs speaks volumes.

    I was ostracised in South Africa because I had a biracial family and I get people telling me here I can't be from Africa because I look white. Nice to know you forgot about colonialism in Africa people!

    The ban button is your friend in these circumstances, but I respond to the comments. I won't engage in debate. I will correct them and ban them. We need to confront issues of racism and maybe they will see things different, maybe not.

    Off topic but race play is a fetish. You can play it on the submissive or Dominant side. I don't feel comfortable with race play because of my background but I understand that some people need to work through issues of race in a safe consensual space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busygirl View Post
    When somebody calls you names, just remember, how sad, and miserable their existence is. Because when they lack such empathy, they are not even human anymore, or they have been abused so much by life, they don't know any better anymore, just to cause pain, as they are hurting.

    We can hate uneducated people, but we really must pity them, for their empty life

    Not everybody has the capability to look deep down in themselves and realize the most important values in our human life, unfortunately.
    First off, I admire your compassion, truely. Yet my perspective is that guys (and chicas) who use the types of vile language that we've been discussing may be stepping beyond the accepted norms in their behaviour, but when I look at the world, and my own city around me, I see a system which actively supports these beliefs, only shielding them under the practises of 'democratic racism' in our social institutions (schools, courts, media, etc) which appear neutral to all those who aren't personally negatively impacted by them.
    How else can we explain a city, like my own, where poverty is overwhelmingly racialized, where Black male youth have a high school drop-out rate averaging 40%, or a national prison system which seems designed specifically to house Indigenous and Black men and women? Or that, within a few years, white immigrants to Canada occupy higher income brackets than do Black Canadians and Indigenous people, born and raised here.
    I'm not sayin all white people are rich and have easy lives, all I'm saying is that there are patterns of socio-economic privilege and oppression which are tied to skin-colour...and that as a society, we seem to be ok with that...
    Influenced by my fav writers (Dei, James, Bannerji, Henry & Tator, hooks, et al.), I'd argue that nasty racist language simply reflects a society that condones white supremacy (OJenni!'s 'porch monk...' post being a perfect example of language reflecting real world conditions of racial inequality). For alot of people, racism is a functional ideology, in that they benefit from it (as I do) and further, are ok with that (as I am not). Lack of imagination and compassion for others and inner pain may be part of the problem, but I'd argue that it's simultaneously deeper and more banal than that.
    Sorry if I'm rambling a bit...it's been a tough day online, too many 'open cam' 'paypal bb' fools between the gems...craving a lil intelligent conversation, TGFSW
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