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    I wanted to know what some of my non-Texan colleagues think about this.... because out here, much like during the Bush administration, everybody is brainwashed and pro-Perry.

    So far here are some nice little facts I've discovered:

    1. He used to be Democrat, but switched to Republican because he heard it gave him a better shot of becoming President one day.

    2. He wants to cut Medicaid spending in Texas, or at least cap it, even thought he has a horrible reputation for fucking up budgets and overspending.

    3. He sold our highways to Spain

    4. He tried to make Gardasil mandatory for all 16 year old girls, and in return got a huge kickback from Merck.

    So, I am not 100% sure on the factual evidence behind these claims, but I would LOVE to hear y'all's input..... for the record, I don't identify myself as an indigenous Texan, nor am I anything like the stereotype you are probably envisioning, which is another reason I am moving out of State this year.
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    I like how he claims gov't doesn't create jobs, yet has spent the last weekend in Iowa touting all the jobs he has created as governor (the majority of which are minimum wage).

    Texas also managed to avoid a lot of the housing crisis because Texas regulates how equity can be accessed. That's right-gov't regulation helped Texas boom when the rest of the country was in decline.

    And if he is elected Pres, will he allow TX to secede? If he gets mad at Congress will he declare the White House an independent nation?

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    ^^^ he can always exercise the Texas option of splitting the one state into five states as guaranteed by the terms of the agreement under which Texas became a US state. Doing so wouldn't change the number of total US representatives, but it would add 8 additional ( and most likely conservative / republican ) US senators !!! Now THAT would make life interesting !!!


    Actually, this thread is ( puts on moderator's hat ) dangerously close to a forced move to the Lounge due to lack of 50% economic content. So if discussions are going to continue they need to deal with economic content in one way or another. For example ...


    From what I have been able to glean regarding the supposed Texas 'jobs growth', a significant portion of said growth is actually due to relocation or growth of existing companies into Texas at the expense of reduction or outright closing down of company operations in other states.

    (snip)"“Certainly, California is not a business-friendly state,” said Biff Comte, who is moving his entire corporate headquarters of his home health care business AccentCare to Texas.

    The business is currently settling into its North Dallas property, and only brought about 15 workers with it. That means, Comte said, about 80 new jobs for Texans. But why move?

    “Everything from the lawsuits, to the taxes too,” he said. “They’re just going to get worse until they fix their problems. So instead of fighting it, we decided, let’s go to a state and a city that really wants business.”

    As his company expands coast- to-coast, having a major airport in the center of the country is vital. Executives can be anywhere in North American in just four hours, and being in the Central Time Zone means being able to communicate with both coasts during regular business hours.

    But in the California capitol of Sacramento, Gerar Zawaydeh said he struggles to keep his restaurants open because of state bureaucracy.

    “Every year, the legislature introduces a lot of regulations as far as small businesses are concerned that could prove to be costly,” he said. “I want to stay in California, but I also have to make a living as well.”

    Another part of the allure is that Texas is a right-to-work state with no personal or corporate income tax. The labor force is considered well educated, but perhaps more importantly, it’s considered hungry for work.

    “Here’s 25 to 30 companies that are currently looking at moving to North Texas,” John Crawford, president of Downtown Dallas Inc., said, flipping through a list.

    Crawford works closely with city officials to lure businesses and residents to Dallas.

    “Right now we’ve never had more interest from people all over the country – in fact, all over the world – in terms of looking at Texas and Dallas than we have today,” he said.

    There’s a moderate climate in North Texas, as well as plentiful and well-built housing. Energetic downtown areas in Dallas and Fort Worth attract younger residents, and Crawford’s group spear-headed a plan the council approved last month to rejuvenate the downtown Dallas sector, filling it with more public transportation and affordable housing.

    And the area already supports major international companies, like Kimberly-Clark.

    “(Texans) do a great job of attracting companies,” Comte said.

    Businesses must agree: A recent poll of CEOs ranked Texas as the No. 1 state for business, the seventh year in a row.

    That same poll ranked California as the worst."(snip)

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    Putting the pieces together, this one small company was responsible for ...

    A. depriving the state of California of X amount of business tax revenue by closing down California operations

    B. depriving the state of California of 15 * Y amount of income tax revenue by convincing 15 California employees to relocate to Texas along with the company's HQ.

    C. sending 'pink slips' to 80 other ( former ) California employees who chose NOT to move to Texas along with the company ... 80 ( former ) employees who are not only no longer providing 80 * Y amount of income tax revenue to the state of California, but who are also 'costing' California taxpayers unemployment check money.

    D providing 80 new jobs for Texans who will fill the positions left 'open' by the former California employees who refused to relocate.
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    And yet California captures 47 cents of every venture capital dollar. Texas get 4 cents.

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    I'm surprised Texas gets even 4 cents.....Their tech schools aren't top dog, by any standard.

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    ^^^ that might be technically true if your definition of 'venture capital' includes gov't subsidies / gov't guaranteed subsidized loans for green energy companies etc., as well as investment in tax priveleged companies by uber-rich high tax rate state residents who will profit greatly via the tax credits they will receive.


    (snip) "Tesla Motors, based in San Carlos, California, was approved yesterday for $465M in loans from the Department of Energy's Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing program. Tesla plans to use $365M of the money to finance a manufacturing facility for the Model S (review, Letterman video) and $100M for a powertrain manufacturing plant in the SF Bay Area. 'Tesla will use the ATVM loan precisely the way that Congress intended — as the capital needed to build sustainable transport,' said Tesla CEO and Product Architect Elon Musk. Tesla expects the Model S to ship in late 2011 and the base cost to be $57,400 ($49,900 after a federal tax credit)."(snip)

    (snip)"Electric car company Tesla Motors Inc. posted a loss of $58.9 million in the second quarter as it sunk money into developing its Model S sedan and a crossover that it is calling Model X.

    Tesla, based in Palo Alto, is refurbishing an old Toyota factory in Fremont, where it plans to build the cars. The Model S, an all-electric luxury sedan, is expected to go on sale next year.

    The loss was 53% larger than the $38.5 million the company lost in the same period a year earlier. Revenue, however, grew 105% to $58.2 million."(snip) from


    The understated point, of course, is that just like Evergreen Solar who filed for bankruptcy yesterday, ( see ) California's Tesla Motors seems to be following the same business model. That business model involves a foundation of gov't backed loans and gov't grants, followed by attraction of private investors ... which in turn funds a 'cash burn' of recurring losses, as well as a stream of green energy production tax credits for the uber-rich private investors ( which are used to directly offset otherwise high federal and state income taxes due on other income sources ), until 'reality attacks'. At that point, as just occurred with Evergreen, the US federal taxpayers and state taxpayers who guaranteed loans or funded outright grants are left with major losses as the ( US unit of the ) company is forced into bankruptcy. Or viewed another way, US and state taxpayers funded a few hundred 'green energy' jobs for a few years at a cost of hundreds of thousands or potentially even millions per new 'green energy' job created ( depending on how large of a gov't guaranteed loan they wind up defaulting on )!

    On the flip side, Texas generally does not believe in such guaranteed loans and grants. Instead of providing gov't assistance to selected companies at the expense of other companies, Texas generally provides a low tax, low energy cost, low regulatory compliance cost, low right to work labor cost, low litigation cost business environment for ALL companies.

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    I doubt Dow Jones Venturesouce includes any gov't subsidies. For the first half of '09 CA had investments of 8.13B vs 275M for TX approx a 30:1 ratio.

    Texas and Miss have the highest percentage of min wage jobs in the country. Not exactly a roadmap to recovery.

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    I heard an audio clip of him the other day on NPR where he was telling the people to pray to god for help with our economic problems because thats what jesus did. He also hosted a prayer weekend and fast a few weeks ago. I can't imagine what this country will come to if we have another bible preaching president. We are supposed to be a secular nation and yet religion only becomes and issue for the American population when a president is allegedly muslim. I have a big issue with any president throwing God or any other deity into the running of a government.

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    ^^^ FYI - The USA is the most religious non-Muslim country in the world.

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    if he wins the republican nomination, the election is going to have a lack of boobs. thats my official political stance on the matter.

    that being said, i dont know much about the guy, but from what i read he is probably the most likely candidate to have a shot on the republican side. that being said, even despiute obamas lower approval ratings, i really cannot see anyone beating him. but im not following so closely here in the asias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetNaughty View Post
    ^^^ FYI - The USA is the most religious non-Muslim country in the world.
    Most Latin American countries are more religious than the US. The only growth in the Catholic Church in the US is coming from Latin American immigrants.

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    I think he's going to be this cycle's Fred Thomson...looks great on paper as a Republican candidate, but will fizzle out fast. With the population growth in Texas and high energy prices the state should be collecting a windfall of taxes and yet, despite gutting social programs and education, privatizing infrastructure, delaying payments in a two year budget, and various other account tricks there's a huge deficit. The state workforce has grown at a rate faster than private sector employment. There's a long list of cronyism involving campaign donors and he's a career politician. If the tea party is is his base, I don't know how they can overlook all this.

    Shouldn't really have to say much about how hilariously unelectable he is, and I do think Republicans will eventually come around to the idea that they will want to have a chance of winning, which invariably means Romney. It shouldn't be too long before Perry says something really stupid and overnight his campaign falls off the wheels like Newt's did. The guy graduated from A&M with a 1.97 GPA in animal science and has been described by insiders as "dumb as a bag of rocks."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetNaughty View Post
    ^^^ FYI - The USA is the most religious non-Muslim country in the world.
    This statistic is complete bullshit.
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    I want to see a black man and a blubbering idiot of a women fight for presidency.

    Barack Obama will beat Michelle Bachman if it comes down to that.
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    Analysis of the negatives against Rick Perry. Decent, mostly neutral sourcing:
    http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011...rys-negatives/

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    Being a moderate Goldwater republican (I expect some bashing LoL) I'm disillusioned as to what the republican party has become. I don't understand all this involvement with religion and peoples rights or involvement in peoples lives. What happened to LESS GOVERNMENT!? The problem with having 2 major political parties is nothing gets accomplished and they both eventually start becoming more extreme and set in what they think .
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    Rick Perry hopes to do for the rest of the country what he's done for Texas:


    What does it mean to be a middle class wage-earner and consumer in Texas?

    For too many families it means a constant struggle to make ends meet. Texans want safe, stable jobs with decent wages and reasonable benefits that allow them to raise a family, own a home, and save for a comfortable retirement.

    So, how does Texas stack up to the rest of the nation on quality of life indicators? Not very well.

    Texas has the highest rate of workers making at or below the minimum wage, the highest rate of families without health insurance, the most workplace fatalities, the lowest workers’ compensation coverage, the highest home insurance rates, and the lowest average personal credit scores.

    This stark reality is compounded by a lax regulatory climate that typically favors industry over individuals and a broken civil justice system that is too often closed to consumers, patients, and workers who face needless injury and financial devastation.

    Unfortunately, for middle class Texans, the so-called “Texas Miracle” has been more myth than reality.

    http://www.texaswatch.org/wordpress/...t-layout-4.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by silk55 View Post
    Being a moderate Goldwater republican (I expect some bashing LoL) I'm disillusioned as to what the republican party has become. I don't understand all this involvement with religion and peoples rights or involvement in peoples lives. What happened to LESS GOVERNMENT!? The problem with having 2 major political parties is nothing gets accomplished and they both eventually start becoming more extreme and set in what they think .
    The best thing Obama has going for his reelection campaign at this point is the Republican field. With a shitty economy and high unemployment this would be a great chance for them to retake both the Senate and Presidency, but with the clowns they are putting out there all they are going to manage to do is lose the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    The best thing Obama has going for his reelection campaign at this point is the Republican field. With a shitty economy and high unemployment this would be a great chance for them to retake both the Senate and Presidency, but with the clowns they are putting out there all they are going to manage to do is lose the house.
    so true!
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    I don't really follow politics so my take on these types of things is very elementary. As far as Rick Perry, I haven't seen much from him except the acknowledgement that the current administration is failing at their job. And it's like, "Yeah, so...how about you talk about what it is that would make you a better choice at this point?"

    Kind of like in a horror movie, I'm leaning towards staying put instead of risking a run and being decapitated by the slasher (lol if that makes sense).

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    Rick Perry is Bush on steroids. He's a fuckin' asshole!

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    Texas has a bunch of 'undocumented' people working. Skews the stats a lot. The places I've lived in Texas have very high household income (sugar land, dallas suburbs, etc). Sometimes we look up property in Texas and daydream about the kingly lifestyle we'd have on the same income streams in Texas vs. the PacNW. We could stand a 50% income hit and have the same standard of living, which means we'd be really living it up transferring the same income levels to Texas' low costs of living, especially for local meat and such.

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    I'm left of center, and I think except for John Huntsmen they all look like a joke.

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    Well it's almost election time again! And Rick Perry is running again!

    To be honest - we need someone that is no-nonsense and has the guts to cut the government spending - why should the gov't be able to spend while we cannot? If we got caught spending like the gov't every collection agency would be after us and banks would come and take our houses and cars and assets! Why should the gov't not be held responsible for their mistakes? Why should large corporations not be held responsible for their mistakes? Bailing them out only makes the problem worse by sweeping it under the rug and letting the bad guys get away with doing their bad deeds, again and again....

    If you take a basic economics class you learn very quickly what kind of actions in the economy will produce wealth - these include letting the free market decide what they want to do, how they want to spend their money and having less regulation. This also includes lower taxes, because unlike what most people think, by the government collecting LESS taxes, that money stays in the free market economy in your pocket, in my pocket, in our families pockets, and we can go out and use that money to make purchases from businesses that we actually NEED products from.

    If we let the government raise taxes, they will use the money much more inefficiently. If you let the government go shopping for you, do you think they would know exactly what you would want to buy at the grocery store or the make-up store? Would you let YOUR local representative, IRS agent or local government worker go buy your groceries, cars, and furniture? NO! Because not only do they not know what you need, but it's not their money, so they don't take as much caution as you would spending your own money, and so they waste your hard earned dollars!

    It is time for us strippers to stand up for our rights, freedoms, and voice our opinion against government regulation and hypocrisy. This goes for both political parties. Although, I do like Rick Perry because at least he is somewhat honest and candid and not afraid to say it how it is. If you recall, Ronald Reagan was an actor and a democrat before he became a Republican, when he realized that, as he was beginning to get paid more for his hard work, he was actually making less take home money because his taxes were higher! That's when he realized that higher taxes freeze people's choices.

    I hope to get some comments or reply's on your thoughts. The best way I can describe the political parties is this way - if you feel like the government knows best with how to spend your money and regulate your life, you are probably a democrat. However, if you feel like YOU know best on how to spend your money and live your life the way that you want to, you are probably a republican. Most strippers I know are republican at heart because they want the freedom to be able to dance, live, love and work as they feel - and they have a BIG problem with people telling them what to do!

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