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    Is it really THAT bad? Ever since day 1 people have told me not to ask this. But there is a girl in my club who does this and she is always busy banking. She doesnt have a big ass, shes not stunningly gorgeous, her outfits are simple, yet she is always a top earner. All she does is approach EVERY SINGLE customer and ask them for a dance. Of course she hears no sometimes but not that much. She probably has more customers per night than any super salesy stripper in the club. Only thing I can say that might be bad is she never has regulars because she never sits and talks. I know its a sin in the stripper world but she is serioisly making me re consider my hustle

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    Biggest complaint I have heard from guys is "Girls dont ask me for dances? I have money why dont they?" Men go to strip clubs looking to be treated like there the hottest thing ever. Also sometimes guys are shy, I had a custy who was almost silent untile I asked for atleast two dances and he had some drink in him, he always said he liked me because I always asked and it helped him loosen up.

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    I tend to run a system of spending no longer than 10 minutes talking with a guy and then asking him for a dance, unless the club is EXTREMELY slow, and then I'll tend to butter him up a little bit more. This works well for me; 10 minutes allows for time to talk to 5 customers in an hour, if you include your stage time. You have to think....if you ask 5 customers for a dance, chances are, at LEAST one of them will say yes. A 5-1 ratio isn't too shabby, at all. If you work an 8 hour shift, that's 8 dances right there. In a perfect world, that is....I find it to be very successful, so long as I'm subtle about it and don't just come right out with the "want a dance?" line. That just screams failure to me. Usually it's something more like "would you like to come back to the VIP and spend some more time with me?" or some crap.

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    I go up to the guys and say to them "hi what's your name?.. where are you from?... what do you do?... let's go for some fun!" and then either go or not. Towards the end of the night I go up to them and say "wanna dance". I am a top earner at the club and spend the least amount of time talking to people of all the girls there. When I do sit and talk to someone for a while I always end up thinking "what a fucking waste of time!" if they get less than 5 songs.
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    Default Re: the infamous wanna dance line

    It works for some people/works at some clubs.
    That's all you can really say about it.


    Different things work for different people. Some people are good at chatting guys up and getting long VIPs, some girls at better at getting a single dance with a 1-liner from 40 guys a night.
    "Wanna dance"ing won't work for everyone... some girls will never need anything more than that one line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettJanuary View Post
    It probably depends on the club you're at whether or not that will work. Also day of the week and time of night may play a role. From my experience the drunker guys are and the busier the club is the more likely this is to work.

    And really who cares if some people think it's "bad". If it works for you and makes you money, go for it!
    This is exactly my experience. When it's busy, late, and all the customers are happy and drunk - "wanna dance" works best.



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    I find that it's easy to keep guys back there. Honestly, last week "wanna dance" kept a guy in the back for 700$. This is in a dance-only club (no CRs). That's 35 fucking songs. We would have danced longer, too, but we ran out of songs.
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    the "wanna dance" approach has worked for me on a number of occasions when I just don't care to sit and chat. it's not what you say, it's how you say it.

    instead of just going down the line and barking "wanna dance" at every guy you have to saunter up to the guy, touch his arm, make INTENSE eye contact, smile, and say "wanna dance?" in your sexiest purr. it works when it's really busy.

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    The wanna dance hustle is the starter of my entire game.

    Of course I upsell. Of course I don't always JUST say "wanna dance", but typically that's how it starts. I prefer to spend my time upselling in the 1-2 minutes in the lap dance area before the next song starts. i.e. pay me $40 and you can touch anything but my vagina--versus a $20 dance.

    If in your club you see girls making money using a wanna dance hustle, then use it. Even if it's just for a weekend. You have to use trial and error to make money.

    I became friends with a top earner at my club, and she is a genuinely nice person. She has done me personal favors above and beyond people I've known 10 years or more! I actually like her, and we do hang out outside of work. After about six months she started trusting me enough to share her secrets with me, and they work. I did not become friends with her to manipulate her, I actually like her as a person, but her advice is really useful. If you can become friends with girls at your club that make a lot of money then do so. It's networking, and is no different than befriending DJs and bouncers. It was a slow process because she's always so busy at work, but eventually I started hanging out with her and I realized that I actually really liked her as a person. She's a good friend, the advice is just a secondary thing. Even if she never gave me any tips I would still like her just as much.
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    Default Re: the infamous wanna dance line

    laurisa care to share some of the secrets with the class? :-)

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    You know what? I think I might i try this approach with costomers. I find that I waste too much time on costumers and end up losing track of time. One time i accidently spent half a hour with a costumer listening to his sob story hoping he'd take me to champagne because i was SUCH a good listener. Instead afterwards he just left without even a tip. On slow nights that 10min idea sounds good, but otherwise this shall be my new hustel
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    No it's not so bad.

    Times have changed and guys want girls that will sit and talk to them for...??? What I don't know. Control?

    Any how Wanna Dance can be effective if you do it right.

    No girl wants you to make easy money so of course their going to tell you not to use it.

    I'm old school. 'Wanna dance?' used to be the norm. We were rich back in those days.




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    Hi.. New here! Been dancing for less than 2months and i am having trouble seeing what works for me and what doesn't. Of course later on in the night, when the guys are far from sober it works a treat, but I feel because I am a newbie, I should take the 15 min route and devote myself to that man, make him feel like a king. But not always does it work, and it could be nearing 3am and he's still saying - "maybe later, maybe later".. What i want advice in, is getting those VIPs.. *goes on a hunt for a thread*

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    When i first started out that was my mentaility too, but thing is custies take advantage of that especially the time wasters. Get in talk for no more than 5 mins on a busy night thats all it really takes usally, and on the slow night id say 10 max. If they arnt ready in 10 you can always come back later when they are more ready. That way your not wasting too much time and u set up a situation u can come back to and you also avoid the time wasters. Custies are people too i guess but i see them more as money machinies and if ya look at them that way then you wont be hung up on it
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    Yeah this is true.. I need to get my technique down though, I think i've only had about 2 good nights out of 20.. Also the girl I came to this new club with is very negative so puts me in a bad mood, I need to get away from her but don't know how..!

    Literally every night she'd walk away with triple what i made, yet the whole night it'd be me leaving her sulking at a table to go talk to custies constantly! Makes no sense..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vixenluv View Post
    laurisa care to share some of the secrets with the class? :-)
    I made $800 last night.

    Here's how:

    I went around and offered every customer a dance. One by one. It was a slow process, but once we went back to the lap dance area I offered them an upgrade. I said "Dances are $20, but for $40 you can touch anything but my vagina". All but 2 customers upgraded to the $40 dance. That's it. I didn't leave the floor other than for potty breaks and 3 cigarette breaks. I worked 8pm-4am. I got enough guys to say yes to a $40 over the course of 8 hours.

    If your club's dances cost more than $20 then double it from your dance amount. i.e. $25 dance = $50 for touching. For a few days it may seem awkward saying it and you might not think guys will pay it, but you will see.

    If your club doesn't allow touching or only does air dances or table dances then this approach won't work.

    It works in my club. Deja Vu type clubs that take a set amount from each dance loathe this approach, but my contract does not disallow overcharging so I get away with it.
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    I used some tips and did much better tonight! £300.. Still a slow and bumpy start, but I got into the flow of it after all..

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    @Laurisa not everyone wants to be touched.

    Last night I made more than $800 in half the time and no one touched me.

    I agree on the up sell but $40 to let a guy touch everywhere but my pussy would not work for me.




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    Exactly ^ ... I've found out, the less I let them touch, the more they spend;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripper Hacks View Post
    @Laurisa not everyone wants to be touched.

    Last night I made more than $800 in half the time and no one touched me.

    I agree on the up sell but $40 to let a guy touch everywhere but my pussy would not work for me.
    I made 800+ on Friday and didn't overcharge or cut any deals. I operated my business exactly how the club wants me to and even have restrictions on where I let guys touch me beyond "anywhere but vagina". It's possible to make money without doing any of that stuff and just wanted to back you up.

    Laurisa, I'm not judging you or trying to gang up on you. I really like you a lot and find your posts to be really helpful and thoughtful. I just don't agree with you on these things
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    By "touch anywhere but my vagina" I am simply saying they can touch my boobs and my butt.

    Can they slap, bite, scratch, suck, lick, or kiss me? No. Can they touch my butt hole? No. Can they touch my hair, face, or neck? No.

    If I need to clarify then I will, but "touch anywhere but my vagina" is a simple way of implying that they can touch my boobs and butt. It's a play on words, no different than "let's go have some fun ". I'm allowing them to imagine themselves caressing my body when they make the decision to upgrade to a $40 dance versus a $20 dance.

    You yourself, luscious sadie, said that you allow guys to touch your boobs--just today in another thread. You said that you don't allow them to play with your nipples, but that they can touch your actual boob.

    If you didn't overcharge for that (and overcharging really means requiring a predetermined tip amount for two-way contact in this instance--again, simplifying) then did you allow them to do that during VIP? I'm curious. I made $33/3 minutes which is actually $660/hourly and you said you charged $300/hour while your co-worker was charging $120/hour and letting guys suck on their nipples.

    I don't understand why you would disagree with me based on your other post in that thread I'm referring to.

    I made $950 in 8 hours on Saturday, that's excellent and the norm for me. I'm not sure where our discrepancy lies since we both seem to allow touching for "the right price".

    VIPs are a rip off at Deja Vu clubs.
    $85/15 minutes (I keep $55)
    $175/30 minutes (I keep $115)
    $300/hour (I keep $200)

    If I do 5 dances at $40/piece of which the club takes $7 then that's $165 profit. The 5 dances would total 15 minutes. Now, if you compare that to a 15 minute VIP there is a substantial amount earnings difference, $110 to be exact. I would look insane asking a customer to spend $200 for a 15 minute VIP with my club's prices to include touching (i.e. $20 per song in the VIP--5 songs at 3 minutes a piece). Customers in my area will not do that. It is much easier to get 25 different guys to agree to buy a $40 dance than it would be to explain that "a 15 minute VIP is $85 without touching, and $200 with touching". You see the problem? In sales, you can't give your customer too many options--you'll overwhelm them. That's why many car salesmen and other commission based salesmen make suggestions upfront. Men are simple creatures as it is, especially when they are drunk and the club is loud. You can't disorient them with a bunch of algebra! There are guys that get more than one $40 dance in a row with me, but my method is more affordable for college students (my club is near two universities) which is a huge part of our customer base. Know your target audience, tailor your approach, if you will.

    I had a man celebrating his bachelor party this weekend come in and spend $480 on me on the couches. He bought twelve $40 lap dances with touching. I made $396 after the club's cut and spent 36 minutes dancing for him. Had I charged $20 for lap dances and made him keep his hands to himself then I would have done twenty four lap dances and made $312 for 72 minutes of work--exactly double the amount of time that it took me to make $396. I would have essentially lost out on $84 AND had to dance twice as hard. In my club, maximizing your profits off lap dances versus the VIP is important, so if you can cut your workload in half and make more money then you are doing good. Girls in my club that are successful with the VIP have reliable regulars. When I focused on VIPs I found myself exerting myself too much emotionally to play the game and get customers into VIP, and they still expected touching but were reluctant to tip more than $15-20 total because they were spending so much upfront.

    I hope you understand my viewpoint better. I am all about maximizing profits and decreasing workload--increasing productivity if you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    By "touch anywhere but my vagina" I am simply saying they can touch my boobs and my butt.

    Can they slap, bite, scratch, suck, lick, or kiss me? No. Can they touch my butt hole? No. Can they touch my hair, face, or neck? No.

    If I need to clarify then I will, but "touch anywhere but my vagina" is a simple way of implying that they can touch my boobs and butt. It's a play on words, no different than "let's go have some fun ". I'm allowing them to imagine themselves caressing my body when they make the decision to upgrade to a $40 dance versus a $20 dance.

    You yourself, luscious sadie, said that you allow guys to touch your boobs--just today in another thread. You said that you don't allow them to play with your nipples, but that they can touch your actual boob.

    If you didn't overcharge for that (and overcharging really means requiring a predetermined tip amount for two-way contact in this instance--again, simplifying) then did you allow them to do that during VIP? I'm curious. I made $33/3 minutes which is actually $660/hourly and you said you charged $300/hour while your co-worker was charging $120/hour and letting guys suck on their nipples.
    hold up. What do you mean by did I allow them to do that in VIP? Touch anywhere? VIP to me is private dances. There are no CRs or floor dances. You get a guy to go to VIP and you make your 20$/song or MIN 300$/hour. They are absolutely not allowed to touch me while I am on the floor. To clarify though. 300$/hour is "dance by dance" (the length of a song divided by an hour plus 2 or 3 to even it out). The fact that girls were charging 120$/hour was a DEAL and an INSANE deal at that.

    I absolutely CANNOT overcharge by 20$ since touching up here is just absolutely expected. I'm sure that I could overcharge to let them play with my nipples but I am uncomfortable with that. Touching up here is what a dance is. There is no "oh that club is high mileage!" there is no "low mileage". A guy would walk out on me if I said that he couldn't touch me. I know this because I have had guys walk out on me when they found out that they can't play with my nipples and have had guys super into me but then stop dancing with me when they found out that I am not a hardcore grinder / will not "do more".

    Tipping is basically non-existent. In stage and in VIP. If you ask for a tip or even say "___$ plus my tip" guys will literally laugh in your face. And then not tip you.

    I don't understand why you would disagree with me based on your other post in that thread I'm referring to.

    I made $950 in 8 hours on Saturday, that's excellent and the norm for me. I'm not sure where our discrepancy lies since we both seem to allow touching for "the right price".
    I don't know either and didn't intend for this to become point of contention. "The right price" to me is the price that is set by the club but I do believe that I am worth more than that. What you wrote in that last note definitely did clear a lot of things up though and I will look over it (when it isn't 5am) and possibly take notes from it and use some of your techniques.

    I hope you understand my viewpoint better. I am all about maximizing profits and decreasing workload--increasing productivity if you will.
    I do and thank you. I am able to admit when I am wrong or when I need to reconsider my opinion on something and this is definitely one of those times. I hope that we're cool and am really glad that your last post was as informative and step by step as it was.
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    I said "Dances are $20, but for $40 you can touch anything but my vagina"
    I was under the impression that "you can touch more for $$" counted as solicitation is most areas.
    I mean. Obviously rules are different everywhere... just thought I'd throw that out there.
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    Telling a customer he can touch my boobs is solicitation? Depends on the local laws. In Michigan, it is considered lewd conduct but it is the norm in my club and all surrounding areas. Vice is busy busting real prostitution (i.e. dick sucking and fucking)--they don't make busts because girls are allowing some titty grabbing. My club hasn't been raided since the 1980s, and that was for tax evasion.

    So, yes, in my state I could be ticketed for lewd conduct. Do I consider it an extra? No. It is the norm in Michigan clubs and touching of the breasts is much less serious if you compare it to what goes on in other Detroit area clubs. Perhaps you've never worked in Detroit. I could potentially get arrested for offering to let a customer touch my boobs anywhere in Michigan. Since my club has a clean track record I'm not worried about that.

    I do not consider fondling of the breasts to be an extra. Full contact clubs do exist and mine is one of them.

    There is a difference between prostitution and lewd conduct.

    In Michigan there is also an old law that prohibits people who are not married from living together. Fancy that.
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    Lewd conduct is what is considered an extra.

    Grinding is lewd conduct or illegal touching.

    There are still plenty of dancers all over the U.S. that give $20 air dances with no nudity because that is what is legal.

    Nudity is a nudity or public indecency charge.

    I do not consider fondling of the breasts to be an extra.
    Fondling of the breasts is 100%, unequivocally an extra.

    Just because a majority of strippers do it doesn't mean that it's not.

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