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    Hello there. I'm an aspiring novelist. I'm writing a book and one of the characters is an exotic dancer. I don't know any exotic dancers, which is why I came here.

    Anyway, I want to create a character who is a real human being, not a caricature. I am hoping someone from this site might answer my questions. Don't worry... they are not personal or creepy or anything.

    I am 38. I am male. And I'm not a creep. I'm just an artist trying to create something beautiful, unique, and real.

    If you feel you'd like to talk to me, send me a PM.

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    How about you become a male stripper then when the girls like you ask.. cause most of the girls here will not part without some cash on the table. And from what I'm hearing it has to have four digits.

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    Ahh, okay. I didn't mean to cause offense. Actually, the questions have nothing to do with stripping. They are more about life in general.

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    No offense here. Its just the answer to your question. If you want to know about something you get close to people to know or you pay out.

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    Okay, point taken.

    Last night, I went up to the big city to talk to people about the book. I had some pretty in depth conversations with 20 people - all strangers. I really wanted to talk to an exotic dancer, but had no idea how in the world I could do that. I figured I'd get punched out if I just went up to a strip club and asked if I could interview a dancer.

    And so I decided to come here. I guess I have a handicap in that this forum is anonymous - just characters on a computer screen - whereas last night I was talking to people in the flesh - being vulnerable and having them be vulnerable with me.

    But if this forum is the wrong approach, that's okay. Sorry I bothered you.

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    Just make friends than business as your intro. You want things on a person's life. Would you like it some stranger came up to you and asked when and to who did you lose your first time to. You may not see it as that but its personal and things you have to give back to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by writer View Post
    Okay, point taken.

    Last night, I went up to the big city to talk to people about the book. I had some pretty in depth conversations with 20 people - all strangers. I really wanted to talk to an exotic dancer, but had no idea how in the world I could do that. I figured I'd get punched out if I just went up to a strip club and asked if I could interview a dancer.

    And so I decided to come here. I guess I have a handicap in that this forum is anonymous - just characters on a computer screen - whereas last night I was talking to people in the flesh - being vulnerable and having them be vulnerable with me.

    But if this forum is the wrong approach, that's okay. Sorry I bothered you.
    Get your hands dirty. Be a doorman or a bartender at a Strip Club. The things you learn may make you Gay if your not already.

    Next you could just read. While it is not stripper google there are enough sections and enough stories for your exotic dancer to be a Yale grad or a rehab triple graduate. Try Customer Conversations, Industry, and for the skeevy side try the Strip Club Junkies (AKA the Blue side).

    Though for once it would come as a complete shock to the community if the exotic dancer was NOT as drug addict, welfare cheat, triple threat bad mommy, with PTSD from incest.

    Thats been done really. So a stripper that uses her money for an Ivy league MBA and goes into the State Dept would be better than unicorns and glitter.

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    And I'm not a creep.
    Lol.

    Anyway, you should probably just read through the forums.

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    Though for once it would come as a complete shock to the community if the exotic dancer was NOT as drug addict, welfare cheat, triple threat bad mommy, with PTSD from incest.

    Thats been done really. So a stripper that uses her money for an Ivy league MBA and goes into the State Dept would be better than unicorns and glitter.
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    Default Re: Question from an aspiring novelist

    go to a strip club, tip a girl really well and ask her your questions. she may not be 100 percent honest with you, but at least you may get some insight and get your questions answered. if i was tipped well, i'd do an "interview," most of these guys act like they're interviewing us anyway.

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    yawns. everyone wants a piece of us, one way or another. you are no different.

    oh and the best part about these 'aspiring writers' is, assuming they actually have the follow through to finish something, they usually have an idea of what we are anyway and just want to validate whatever character they already have in mind for their book. example: see assumption that we all have the same 'life in general.'

    but seriously, why would we help you? you are a stranger on a forum; we are a group of women who sell our time and entertainment for cash. we dont do charity for narcissists who "aspire" to capture our character and ultimately profit off of it (this is your end game, yes? to write a book, have us in it, and sell the book to make money for yourself but not us. unless you pay us this sounds suspiciously like pimping). perhaps my unwillingness to help you can give you some "true" insight into my character?

    seriously dude, we arent your fucking research guinea pigs. this is a support forum for dancers. you dont go on a doctor forum and ask doctors for insight into their lives for your book or onto rape forums for victims' insights for your book, do you? you get the picture. lord knows why people think they should come onto a stripper board and suddenly having us clamoring over each other to help them with their own work.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    yawns. everyone wants a piece of us, one way or another. you are no different.

    oh and the best part about these 'aspiring writers' is, assuming they actually have the follow through to finish something, they usually have an idea of what we are anyway and just want to validate whatever character they already have in mind for their book. example: see assumption that we all have the same 'life in general.'

    but seriously, why would we help you? you are a stranger on a forum; we are a group of women who sell our time and entertainment for cash. we dont do charity for narcissists who "aspire" to capture our character and ultimately profit off of it (this is your end game, yes? to write a book, have us in it, and sell the book to make money for yourself but not us. unless you pay us this sounds suspiciously like pimping). perhaps my unwillingness to help you can give you some "true" insight into my character?

    seriously dude, we arent your fucking research guinea pigs. this is a support forum for dancers. you dont go on a doctor forum and ask doctors for insight into their lives for your book or onto rape forums for victims' insights for your book, do you? you get the picture. lord knows why people think they should come onto a stripper board and suddenly having us clamoring over each other to help them with their own work.
    Actually, this is the best thing I've heard yet. This is great and totally unexpected.

    For the record, I sure would go to a doctors forum or even a rape victim's forum if I intended to treat their stories with respect.

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    Actually, this is the best thing I've heard yet. This is great and totally unexpected.

    For the record, I sure would go to a doctors forum or even a rape victim's forum if I intended to treat their stories with respect.
    the fact that you think it would be appropriate to go on a rape victim support forum to research for a story pretty much validates my assumption that you are a narcissist. classy.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    If I was writing a story about how to recover from the trauma of a rape, I would think it a great idea to talk to people who have experienced it (though, as a journalist, I would probably ask one of my female colleagues to write that story anyway.)

    I'll drop my pretenses here and just say what the book is about. It's not about strippers. It's about life. I'm asking as many people as possible what they think life is all about. That's it.

    So far I've spoken to engineers, waiters, bakers, journalists, actors, street performers, homeless people, clergymen, group home denizens, a guy who spent seven years in jail for armed robbery, university students, taxi drivers, bartenders, social workers, politicians, farmers, bicycle makers, and delivery people. I asked them the same question I'm asking here. What is life all about? That's it. I don't want the inside scoop on what it's like being a stripper, though I would be curious to know if being a stripper has shaped your view on life.

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    If I was writing a story about how to recover from the trauma of a rape, I would think it a great idea to talk to people who have experienced it.
    You are scum. Get off your high fucking horse.

    Why are you still here, anyway? Stop being a cheap-ass, go to a stripclub, and tip a dancer to interview with you.

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    Okay. I'm sorry I offended y'all. That certainly wasn't my intention.

    It seems my presence is not welcome here, so I will leave.

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    Yawn, another one. Why in the hell do guys do this? Ugh. Reminds me of this jackass who used to advertise in the paper he was hiring dancers. Then you'd call and he'd say he's interviewing for a book and set up an interview, implying he'll pay you. Next thing you know the jackass (the moron was named Art I remember) was telling me that he wanted to see a "sample" of my work (ie dances). What, are dancers charity workers now? No I didn't dance for him (though he wanted to get a hotel room so loser wanted sex likely)but the ass didn't even pay me for my interviewing time and he kept calling me.

    I hate every single one of these assholes with a passion. Everytime another moron (usually a man)comes here looking for "research" material I was to verbally bitch slap them.

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    Wow.... Gotta say from a writers point of view (I want to be a novelist) that I'm a bit surprised at the instant rage that flared up here.

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    I think if the OP sounded less creepy (sorry dude... it's true) and if he gave us some incentive to help him, he would have been better received. But isn't it a writer's job to use your imagination, anyway? Not to mention, we have plenty of information on this board for you to glean what life is like as a stripper. And your book doesn't sound like a "novel," which is a work of fiction. Lots of red flags popping up.

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    Gotta' love the old "I'm a writer" gag. This one is a classic. It ranks right up there with "I'm a professional photographer" and "I own a modeling agency."

    As athena said, there are always guys who want a piece of dancers. This is just one of the cons out there, and really not even very original at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arialandre View Post
    Wow.... Gotta say from a writers point of view (I want to be a novelist) that I'm a bit surprised at the instant rage that flared up here.
    This is why I don't write about people I know or want to learn about.. I tried to give a heads up.. But I will admit his approach was the wrong way to go of it..

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    Wow.... Gotta say from a writers point of view (I want to be a novelist) that I'm a bit surprised at the instant rage that flared up here.
    I didn't feel angry until he made the comment about rape ... I thought it was insensitive to anyone on here who could have been a rape victim.

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    As I was researching this list, I Googled "stripper statistics," figuring it would lead me to some decent academic studies on the industry.

    I clicked on a message board link where someone had asked about stripping stats, assuming there would be responses with links. Turned out, though, it was a strippers' community and their responses could be summarized as annoyed-and-turning-hostile. And I paraphrase...

    "It seems like every week someone comes here asking that, like we're so mysterious and fascinating." "Write your paper on something else." "One day I'm going to flip it and write a paper on how much dishwashers and secretaries make."

    Well, with apologies to all of the strippers out there... I went ahead and kept researching. I found four studies that didn't use a laughably small sample size and weren't conducted solely to bash stripping and loathsomely ride the moral high ground.

    I extracted these 11 stats (the ones I found most interesting) from those four studies. So here are the 11 eye-opening statistics about strippers. And for everyone who's here on a mission for a research paper, I've linked my sources. Leave the strippers to strip and let the nerds guide you to the numbers. There's no binomial distribution in the champagne room.

    College age?
    One-in-three strippers really *are* putting themselves through college. It's an old joke that every stripper says she's just doing it to put herself through school. Even the really old one who'd even Gabrielle Carteris would look at and say, "Yeah, no way she's college age."

    A study found that 33 percent are, in fact, telling you the truth: It's college by day, stripping by night. (With no time left over to fight crime. 0 percent are confirmed superheroes.)

    The most common reason for getting into stripping is... wanting to dance? At least that's what they say. "I just wanted to dance" beat out "I wanted to make more money" or "My job sucked or, uh, didn't exist." I guess there aren't that many jobs for the dance majors of America, but exotic dancing seems like a liiitle bit of a stretch. A dance major getting a job in their field by becoming a stripper is kinda like an Italian major getting a job in their field by working at Olive Garden.

    About one out of 10 strippers is married. And only 13.5 percent have kids. And yet... somehow the one you get a lap dance from always falls within percentage, and always wants to tell you about 'em.


    In context, I've now made it seem like this is a stripper. Really it's just a regular lady wearing glasses. But perception is everything.
    About one in eight get health benefits. And somehow, four percent get vision coverage too. (Although based on the binomial distribution of handsome strip club clientele, being able to see clearly isn't always a good thing.)

    There are wild swings in earning potential. The pay at the end of a night is extremely variable -- it depends on the city, the club, the cut the club takes, the prices, the customer turnout, and how many people are really just there for the $11.99 buffet. The website Payscale had strippers taking in anywhere from $20,000-a-year to $122,000-a-year.

    Some strippers have been in it for decades. The median age is between 23 and 24... but some strippers slug it out WAY longer than that. The five-year mark is usually the point-of-no-return of stripping... get out then, or buy stock in a company that manufactures nine-inch heels.

    The breakdown at any given moment in time is about 12 percent of strippers are rookies in their first year... 55 percent have been there one to five years... 19 percent have been there five to nine years... six percent have been there 10 to 20 years... and eight percent of grizzled old veterans have been there more than 20 years. Twenty years! By that point you've probably inhaled a bushel's worth of glitter AND could identify "Cherry Pie" on "Name That Tune" in two notes.


    Always looking for an excuse to run this screen grab.
    One-in-five female strippers has dated a customer; as have three-in-four male strippers. The most surprising part of that? Three-fourths of male strippers have found a woman willing to date them after seeing them hairlessly dance around in a shimmering gold banana thong-ammock.

    There are more than nine female strippers for every one male stripper. The industry checks in around 92 percent female, eight percent male. Essentially the opposite ratio of Google+.

    86.3 percent think stripping is a legitimate line of work... eight percent think it's prostitution. But that's not to say it's a different eight percent. It's not out of bounds to think prostitution is a legitimate line of work. It's at least as legitimate as being a life coach or personal shopper or storage unit flipper.

    Eight out of nine strippers would recommend stripping to a friend. For all the hype about how horrible stripping is, the dominant majority really seem to like it. Unless this is one of those "I'm miserable, come be miserable with me" recommendations. Like being a tour guide at the University of Iowa.

    89 percent were raised in a religious home and 91 percent are still close with their parents. So religion isn't a magical anti-stripping elixir. If you really want to keep your kid from becoming a stripper, the only guaranteed solution I can think of is to follow the Mr. Belding Buddy Bands axiom and make it uncool... by becoming a stripper yourself. So get on out there and dance.

    http://www.11points.com/Dating-Sex/1...bout_Strippers

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    Get your hands dirty. Be a doorman or a bartender at a Strip Club. The things you learn may make you Gay if your not already.

    Next you could just read. While it is not stripper google there are enough sections and enough stories for your exotic dancer to be a Yale grad or a rehab triple graduate. Try Customer Conversations, Industry, and for the skeevy side try the Strip Club Junkies (AKA the Blue side).

    Though for once it would come as a complete shock to the community if the exotic dancer was NOT as drug addict, welfare cheat, triple threat bad mommy, with PTSD from incest.

    Thats been done really. So a stripper that uses her money for an Ivy league MBA and goes into the State Dept would be better than unicorns and glitter.
    Ivy League Stripper - Heidi Mattson. We were forced to read it in college. Maybe I should re-read it now that I'm a dancer...Hmmm..

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    This thread is so full of



    I agree-- this guy is lame and his schtick has been done to death here.
    I have been interviewed by writers IN the club who paid me 100+ and even
    then, when they forwarded me their work, I thought it was shit.

    so no, there would be no benefits to helping a "writer" for free on the board.

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