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    Quote Originally Posted by Addison View Post
    Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see where the video said anything about ALL strippers being escorts with HIV?? I'm not seeing why everyone is up in arms, especially considering the fact that, as amorescudero stated, he glorifies it 99% of the time in all his other work. I wouldn't say that makes him a hypocrite either. Maybe he's just showing two sides to an industry.

    To me, the video is the story of an individual - she doesn't have to represent you, me, or US.
    i agree, but it just feeds into the stereotype that 90% of people have of us strippers... which doesn't help our case. of course we, being in the industry as strippers, understand that everyone in our business isn't like that, but the general public will always assume the worst of ppl in this industry. adn this doesn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    Is it just me or does the little girl depicted as the main character from 0;56-1:14 seem a little too "white" to be from a black couple? Is this implying that her mother is a whore and got pregnant by a white guy hence why her partner beats her?
    It's possible, but I doubt it went that deep. Children of a black couple can be any shade from very light to very dark due to our history in this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by crystalize View Post
    That's a way more realistic idea if you ask me... on a side note I really hated that song even before the video
    So do I, I never liked the song anyway. I wouldn't have watched the video if it wasn't in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    It would have been so touching if he had featured a rapper or baller who bedded woman after woman night after night and reflected on his busted up childhood after being diagnosed with HIV.
    Sounds like something Wayne (and his colleagues) have to deal with if he doesn't strap it up, with all the children he has. Oh man, I wish I was an artist who could release a video. They would hate my ass, I'd so make a video like that.
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    I never liked that song either....

    and I am really annoyed by Lil Wayne's laugh, sounds like he's choking....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    Is it just me or does the little girl depicted as the main character from 0;56-1:14 seem a little too "white" to be from a black couple? Is this implying that her mother is a whore and got pregnant by a white guy hence why her partner beats her?
    I noticed how white that baby was as well..... in reality anything is possible, but I feel like they did that on purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss1dancypants View Post
    i agree, but it just feeds into the stereotype that 90% of people have of us strippers... which doesn't help our case. of course we, being in the industry as strippers, understand that everyone in our business isn't like that, but the general public will always assume the worst of ppl in this industry. adn this doesn't help.
    Well, the movie Soul Plane didn't "help the case" for black people. lol And although it may perpetuate stereotypes, they don't represent me or anyone I know. Wanna fight stereotypes? Don't be one. Disprove them.

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    Ugh I hate overly dramatic music videos. Kinda gave me the creeps!

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    I like the song but got PISSED off from the video. Plus, keep in mind, he did NOT WRITE THIS SONG. A songwriter named Detail wrote it. Lil' Wayne is w/e to me. Too many shitty artists nowadays it's hard keeping up *shrugs*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by femmefatale88 View Post
    Ugh I hate overly dramatic music videos. Kinda gave me the creeps!
    I agree. I think I dislike them because they are oftten so heavy handed and random. If they had a connection with the life the artist is living it makes sense otherwise it's more like pandering blindly for another demographic to 'just buy my damn music, man'.

    In this case the pussy king who loves to "make it rain on dem hoes" suddenly becoming interested in making a statement about the lives of unloved youth using a "hoe" to make his points is BIZARRE. It's so rife with hypocrisy and insult it's comic (to me) instead of tragic. He's running around screwing anything he can making many babies and baby mamas, in and out of jail, on and off the road...has it occurred to him that his kids and baby mamas don't know how to love? That he doesn't know how to love? If he took Eminem's route of self reflection, rebuke, and revelation, I would respect that and it would be a powerful message. TI rapped about all that he'd learned about manhood once he watched his friend die and was faced with jail time and it was revelatory. This guy's just pretending to give a damn about others and pretending to be changed.

    I'd expect the same ol'' Wayne on the next cut. He's the same screwed up, pimped out (by Baby), confused manchild trying to pretend he's in power and running things when in reality ever since he got into the rap game it's been running him. He brandishes guns to feel powerful even though he keeps going to jail for it. He wears a gold grill to feel powerful/valuable even though it's rotting his teeth out of his head. He tries to feel powerful by going form chick to chick and throwing money to get women scrambling even though it's left un-fathered children in his wake. That to me is tragic.

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    i didn't understand this either but i refuse to overthink a music video.
    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    I noticed how white that baby was as well..... in reality anything is possible, but I feel like they did that on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    I noticed how white that baby was as well..... in reality anything is possible, but I feel like they did that on purpose.
    The kid shown at 1:51-1:53 sitting in the main characters lap looks 100% white (maybe 2/3rds at least). Now anything is possible given the history of black people in the USA, heck anything is possible given the history of native people and white people too given the history of slavery in the USA. I read somewhere that the majority of white people in the USA who were descendants of slave owners have "black" blood in them somewhere down the line.

    But the choice of actors in this video really makes me wonder.

    Aside from the stripper stereotypes, there seem to be a lot of racial stereotypes in this video.

    Oh and of course the guy that gives her HIV has to be a aboriginal Indian and/or Mexican looking guy. Because we all know these men are scuzz balls

    Why can't it be some clean looking white dude? Or a black dude with tons of chains on and gold teeth driving a benz?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    I agree. I think I dislike them because they are oftten so heavy handed and random. If they had a connection with the life the artist is living it makes sense otherwise it's more like pandering blindly for another demographic to 'just buy my damn music, man'.

    In this case the pussy king who loves to "make it rain on dem hoes" suddenly becoming interested in making a statement about the lives of unloved youth using a "hoe" to make his points is BIZARRE. It's so rife with hypocrisy and insult it's comic (to me) instead of tragic. He's running around screwing anything he can making many babies and baby mamas, in and out of jail, on and off the road...has it occurred to him that his kids and baby mamas don't know how to love? That he doesn't know how to love? If he took Eminem's route of self reflection, rebuke, and revelation, I would respect that and it would be a powerful message. TI rapped about all that he'd learned about manhood once he watched his friend die and was faced with jail time and it was revelatory. This guy's just pretending to give a damn about others and pretending to be changed.

    I'd expect the same ol'' Wayne on the next cut. He's the same screwed up, pimped out (by Baby), confused manchild trying to pretend he's in power and running things when in reality ever since he got into the rap game it's been running him. He brandishes guns to feel powerful even though he keeps going to jail for it. He wears a gold grill to feel powerful/valuable even though it's rotting his teeth out of his head. He tries to feel powerful by going form chick to chick and throwing money to get women scrambling even though it's left un-fathered children in his wake. That to me is tragic.

    And apparently no one has taught him to put on a condom.



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    how much did she make from fucking that guy? 300$?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luscious sadie View Post
    how much did she make from fucking that guy? 300$?
    I had that same thought!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    The kid shown at 1:51-1:53 sitting in the main characters lap looks 100% white (maybe 2/3rds at least). Now anything is possible given the history of black people in the USA, heck anything is possible given the history of native people and white people too given the history of slavery in the USA. I read somewhere that the majority of white people in the USA who were descendants of slave owners have "black" blood in them somewhere down the line.
    Just a note from the peanut gallery here.... When I was born, I had incredibly fair skin, hazel eyes and fuzzy auburn hair that looked fire red when the sun hit it. By the time I was 1 my eyes were dark brown, and by the time I was around 2 my complexion was the dark chocolate brown that it is now, and my hair was dark brown with just a hint of auburn in it as it remains now.

    When my daughter was born, she had practically transparent white skin, shocking bright blue eyes, and a full head of curly brown hair. She's still very fair, hazel/mostly green eyes, and a curly/wavy brunette that turns blonde in the sun. People who see my baby pictures automatically assume its of her.

    My mom is a lot darker than the woman portrayed in the video with stark black kinkiest hair. She got just as many weird looks when I was born as I did when my daughter was born.

    In other words didnt flinch when I saw the baby in the video. I dont see anything with the character choices as far as the fairness/darkness of the babies in comparison to their parents...all it did was represent "The many shades of black" Siblings of the same parents can have completely different complexions, hair colour/texture and eye colour...thats how it is in my family and Ive seen it so many times over in other families that there isnt a second thought about it. It's just how we are...

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    I will admit I don't know much about Lil Wayne because I generally don't like rap. If he has all these kids from different women he's a scuzz no questions. Men with multiple baby mamas are what's wrong with society.

    Having said that, I judged the video on itself and my opinion is I get where he's going with this. The fact is many strippers do have sex for money, do drugs, and arent high class people. Yes I hate the stereotypes myself but they are there because for every clean dancer there is one who isn't. There are dancers who may be clean but are living stereotypical dance lives. There are dancers HERE who are stereotypical dancers with multiple babies out of wedlock, awful relationships, or things like abusing welfare or drugs. Besides, in the video he shows one dancer having sex with one customer, not like he shows them all having sex with everyone. Do I like that he used a stripper as the main character? No I would have preferred another job, including one that we don't normally associate with prostitution.

    I agree that skin color can vary. My sister in law is black and medium shade (she looks identical to Oprah). Her mother and sister are very pale, with a greenish tint and my niece (who's biracial)is very light too. People always ask me if she is Hispanic. Skin color varies in every race too. I am very dark as is my brother (my niece's father)but my parents are very light.

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    I don't think being a stripper automatically puts you in the "high risk" category. I knew dancers who were from all types of backgrounds. Some were from broken homes, some were drug addicts, some were prostitutes, etc. And then others were like me, never did drugs, wasn't abused, had a decent family life. Just like in "regular" jobs where people are different, strippers are different too. People just have their own ideas and perceptions of what it is we do and where we come from. But the funny thing is, is that rappers like Lil Wayne are the first ones to drop mad money on those exact same girls he talks about in his videos!! So I just say take his money and let him think whatever the hell he wants... LOL

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    Yeah I saw it and just smh... set me back like a decade ... as if "good" girls don't get HIV. This is where they went wrong! A have seen women in what they thought to be exclusive relationships contract HIV so they are wrong wrong WRONG for putting the idea out there that if u do good in school and all u will not get HIV. I have met him in the strip club before and he spent a lot of money and showed love so I am just like huh? really? I hope I see him again in the club
    Quote Originally Posted by PleasureVictim View Post
    I don't think a street walker is any more deserving of HIV than a stripper, but that's me.

    It's lame that they chose a stripper/single mom to portray the character, but if it scares any of his fan base into protecting themselves, then that's a plus.

    Every dancer on here could graduate college with honors and it still wouldn't make a dent in the stereotype. People will believe what they want to believe.

    I'm more annoyed with the fact that the director/ Lil Gremlin went with the tired old misogynistic HIV as punishment angle. When the video goes back into time, her mom gets married, which prevents the pedophile from coming around and being her downward spiral....and she is a good girl who doesn't end up with Aids. SMH

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    Long live Motley Crew's Girls, Girls, Girls video.
    Strippers and stripping should be fun entertainment, not a cautionary tale.

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    ^Yeah!!!!!!!!

    Also, "porn star dancing" by My Darkest Days is also a great stripper music video.





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    OMG. This is what my sister called me about. My little sister called me crying and was telling me to always use protection the other day. Bloody hell!

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    ITA, I haaaaaate this video and what it perpetuates. If you're a stripper who has sex with the custies you have TWO count em TWO jobs!But even the idea that all escorts must have STD's is annoying and played out. Isn't it like stripping? Each girl makes her own rules. I'm sure some girls won't even give a BJ without a rubber.


    And seriously getting married saves the day? Give me a f*cking break. But I don't expect anything intelligent from this misogynistic homo thug with a slew of baby mamas who supports MURDERING sex workers in his lyrics. What a pig.
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    The 'marriage as a safety net for poor women' angle is especially infuriating. I had no idea Wayne a conservative.
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    I want to make a music video about a CUSTOMER. How he lies to his girlfriend on the phone in a strip club parking lot. Or the married guy who goes home and kisses his wife and kids. Or the cheapos who sit and creep all night w/their buddies.

    The real problem is MEN. The video shows one girl on a shift. What about the customers who come in day and night across the globe? 24/7. Any and every occasion. Guys are the fucked up perverts. The money we earn comes from their pockets. I'm not standing on stage for fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalllia View Post
    Great.

    That many more "white knights" who are going to interrogate me: "why are you doing this?" while assuming that I have daddy issues and am a diseased desperate single mom with several kids by several baby daddies- right before they try to grope me and proposition me.

    Those who don't come down on us for being "skanks" act they they know the story, and want to cast us in the victim role - all because of pop culture streotypes like this. Thanks, Lil Wayne.
    This latest contribution by Lil Wayne is just a drop in the bucket. On the bright side, it's a new wave of opportunities to refute that stereotype by example, and to have an effect on people who weren't even thinking about strippers before they saw that ridiculous video.

    Quote Originally Posted by Addison View Post
    Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see where the video said anything about ALL strippers being escorts with HIV?? I'm not seeing why everyone is up in arms, especially considering the fact that, as amorescudero stated, he glorifies it 99% of the time in all his other work. I wouldn't say that makes him a hypocrite either. Maybe he's just showing two sides to an industry.

    To me, the video is the story of an individual - she doesn't have to represent you, me, or US.
    In a perfect world that's true. Unfortunately we humans tend to paint each other with rather broad brushes; it comforts us to be able to categorize. We all hold 'opinions' on a variety of subjects that aren't really opinions at all, but a set of givens already packaged by others - our parents, our peers, the media - and handed to us as a set - an aphorism, a meme - which we internalize without ever really considering. Later, when we're asked to support that thing we've been calling a 'belief' or 'opinion', we find that it's not so easy to do. That's a crossroads: thoughtful people take one path; when their belief is challenged they explore the concept, gathering new experiences and information until they know what they really think - and also, if they come to a different conclusion on their own, examining and questioning the source of the original idea. Those of a more plodding or obstinate disposition never make the connection between their own inability to support their position and the notion that this might mean it's... well, wrong.

    Sex makes many people uncomfortable. True female autonomy (generally, the autonomy of the oppressed) also makes people uncomfortable. Rebellion makes people uncomfortable, even angry. It's much easier for most of those who experience that discomfort to rest in the 'belief' that women who embody all of those things are somehow inferior in some fundamental way that makes their choices and truths less valid.

    Unfortunately, members of marginalized groups are loosely united in the eyes of dominant culture by the characteristics that set them apart. We don't all agree on what to do about that, but that's the way of it nonetheless.


    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    I'm glad to see a video that shows the risks of sex. Almost every club I worked in someone was having sex for money. I think its good for customers to watch this video!!
    The great majority of people with HIV did not pay or get paid for the sex that infected them. Further, in the years that I danced I don't believe I ever met an HIV-positive stripper; I'm not saying they don't exist, just that it's hardly the norm. Condom use is widespread (to coin a phrase) in the areas of sex work in which intercourse takes place, on- and off-camera; your average one-night-stand, on the other hand, is hit-and-miss in that regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    I really hate how they show all strippers are prostitutes, unfortunately a lot are. So lil wayne your still gonna go to strip clubs but make a video how stripping is bad?
    I guess I hate that, too - but I hate more that women buy into that 'us' and 'them' mentality, in which we accept that there is, in fact, a standard of behavior by which women must abide in order to earn our equality. Whether that line falls on one side or the other of our own personal choices, I think the more important thing is to see that it's there and stamp it out. We're rightly outraged when 'civilian' women view us with contempt but don't see that we're doing the same thing to other women who've made more extreme choices than ours - as if our reasons are sound but theirs are not.

    Of course there's a valid general objection to women performing 'extras' which undercut the income of rule-abiding workers, but past that, I support the right of women to use their bodies in whatever way they believe pleases and profits them best and most. Again, when those women aren't misrepresented in art, literature and popular culture, associating them with us won't make any difference, because it won't demean either of us. Sex is sex, boundaries are boundaries, and I think every woman has a right to her own.


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    The real problem is MEN. The video shows one girl on a shift. What about the customers who come in day and night across the globe? 24/7. Any and every occasion. Guys are the fucked up perverts. The money we earn comes from their pockets. I'm not standing on stage for fun.
    I think the real problem might be patriarchal dominant culture, which arguably victimizes individual men as much as it does women. Why is it perverse for men to be deeply compelled by our sexuality? What we do is enticing and delightful; what's wrong with liking it... a lot? It's not the job or the behavior that's the problem, but the fact that it exists in a profoundly unhealthy culture of sexual self-loathing. We fight being stereotyped every day: perhaps we should consider that we're part of the same machine when we do that to our customers.
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