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    Default Dealing with cheapos, and keeping up the 'act'...

    When someone sits in my room for hours, hasn't paid me a dime but wants to talk, ask me a hundred questions, and keeps asking me to stand etc....how long do you last being nice? Even if they are complimenting me non stop 'Your so beautiful' 'I love your smile' 'Will you marry me?' Seriously how long am I suppose to sit there before I say 'Unless you take me private get the F out!'? There is only so many times I can giggle and say 'Aw thank you babe' before it gets really tiring...How do you all deal with the cheapos that won't take you private but keep coming back? Just curious...

    And along those same lines it gets really tiring after a while to sit there and smile non stop for hours...my face literally hurts- now I know how miss America must feel lol. Do you girls play in cool and have your regular face on, chill out and act natural, or are you in 'act mode' the whole time? I'm finding it tiring to be in non stop 'act, flirty girl' mode.

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    Sometimes I just chill out and act normal.... but I don't get as many privates unless its a sexy pout face. Smiling really does reel the boys in.

    As far as time wasters. Just don't answer them. Completely ignore them. If they ask why, tell them that you are tired of talking (voice hurts or something) & if they want talk one on one then he can take you private. That's what I do. I completely ignore annoying people then I start kicking/banning if they are repeat offenders.

    Your sanity being in tact is way more important than someone who is replaceable.

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    Me just hanging out and chatting 'normally' in free chat kills my earnings. If I become too conversational the guys looking to get off tend to leave since they probably assume I may not get into in pvt and the ones looking to 'socialize with a half naked chick with no obligations or pressure' tend to plop down and get too relaxed.

    I try to do the ignoring in stages or according to the kind of customer they are. But my general rule is that if they don't deserve to be kicked or banned I slowly disengage if I've answered 5 of their questions and given 5 acknowledgments. So 5x5. It is an awkward metric but it works for me.

    Basically if his questions go like this I keep a count in my head:

    -Hi (acknowledgment 1)
    -How are you (1st question)
    -Where are you from (2nd question)
    -[compliment or comment from him] (acknowledgment 2)
    -[a flirtatious comment from me] (acknowledgment 3)
    -How long have you been on the site? (3rd question - reminder of sexuality to prevent falling to friends zone territory)
    -How long will you be on today? (4th question - make sure to answer it for the room but not directly him - restart excitedly addressing others, throw in more subtle sexuality reminders but layer it with a very subtle reminder to pay up... reward good behavior of others in the room with praise or movement)
    -[compliment from him] (acknowledgment 4)
    -Where in [x] are you from? (5th and final question to answer)
    -[random comment from me - usually with direct eye contact and saying his screen name] (final acknowledgment)

    After that they start to fade into the background until they tip or go into a session. Usually they'll linger since you heavily engaged them. If they liked the attention they'll notice you especially reward others who pay... if no one is paying, talk about how you rewarded others who paid. For me I try to be indirect and vague about this.

    I keep this in my head since it feels like a math problem (ooo which number am I on with this guy?! 4x2! how about this one? 2x5!) keeps free chat more mentally challenging .

    Even if it is a smooth give and take kind of conversation or if I'm entertaining the room with some topic - by the 3rd question they've had my full attention so I'll make sure I'm reminding him AND the room about something sexual and nonthreateningly remind them that I'm uh a mercenary. Not overtly but this can mean I mention my profile, toys, outfit, new pics, an awesome session I had, adding me to favorites, reminding them to rate me, making my voice more seductive, start swaying to music... or something. After that they have 2 more questions that Ill answer then I'll slowly stop engaging.

    It took me awhile to figure out what works. I'm still not sure thisis the best strategy since when I am vague only 50% of guys seem to get it, so I may try a more direct "tip me" or 'take me pvt" approach.

    But keeping score of that metric keeps me from burning out and my act faltering. I really try to view my camming persona as a different person that I have to transform into. It helps? But my appeal is not very girl-next-door or warm (Ive tried this but it burns me out), so it depends on your hustle.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel2904 View Post
    When someone sits in my room for hours, hasn't paid me a dime but wants to talk, ask me a hundred questions, and keeps asking me to stand etc....how long do you last being nice? Even if they are complimenting me non stop 'Your so beautiful' 'I love your smile' 'Will you marry me?' Seriously how long am I suppose to sit there before I say 'Unless you take me private get the F out!'? There is only so many times I can giggle and say 'Aw thank you babe' before it gets really tiring...How do you all deal with the cheapos that won't take you private but keep coming back? Just curious...

    And along those same lines it gets really tiring after a while to sit there and smile non stop for hours...my face literally hurts- now I know how miss America must feel lol. Do you girls play in cool and have your regular face on, chill out and act natural, or are you in 'act mode' the whole time? I'm finding it tiring to be in non stop 'act, flirty girl' mode.
    You need to ask yourself some questions here and once you determine your answers, stick to them.

    Q: What are you doing to keep someone entertained so long?

    Q: How are you responding when someone asks you to model for them in the free area?

    Q: If you are craving chocolate and are in a candy store with money in hand, how long does it take you to decide which candy bar to buy? and why did you choose that specific candy bar?

    Q: At what point do you feel uncomfortable and what do you do to ease the discomfort?

    While not everyone is the same, as a general rule, first impressions are made in the first 5 minutes, on a porn site I'm pretty sure it's less. Also, someone said to me in another thread, "Always protect Your Mind" which is quite possibly the best advice one cam girl can give to another.

    My thought? If someone lingers in our chat room for more than 3 to 5 minutes he isn't shopping with money in hand. He's not shopping at all, but he does have something in his hand.

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    Just like in stripping, if someone isn't paying, he shouldn't be getting your attention for free. There is a limit to how much time you should invest in someone before you move on. Giving them attention - even if you're not doing a show but just hanging out, answering their questions, giggling etc - you are giving them exactly what they want for nothing. These guys PRIDE themselves on seeing how much attention they can get for nothing.

    You shouldn't be entertaining these fucks for free. Especially if they come back more than once or twice and don't spend, I would just ban them.


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    if i even have to question if someone is worth dealing with because they might spend later..they get banned! seriously i probably kick/ban 6 or 7 guys an hour. it doesn't affect my money..it just keeps me in a better mood for the ones that spend
    "Achieving success is a challenge but so is struggling so you may as well choose success."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    Just like in stripping, if someone isn't paying, he shouldn't be getting your attention for free. There is a limit to how much time you should invest in someone before you move on. Giving them attention - even if you're not doing a show but just hanging out, answering their questions, giggling etc - you are giving them exactly what they want for nothing. These guys PRIDE themselves on seeing how much attention they can get for nothing.

    You shouldn't be entertaining these fucks for free. Especially if they come back more than once or twice and don't spend, I would just ban them.
    I had a sub trying to get my attention for tips of 1 Gold. After tipping me 3 Gold, he gave up. I told him that free chat is not his own personal show, not with 10+ other guys in the room, some of whom are serious about going private. I understand that not everyone can afford a $30 show, but don't expect a full blown show in free chat for 1 Gold..save up, then come back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    me just hanging out and chatting 'normally' in free chat kills my earnings. If i become too conversational the guys looking to get off tend to leave since they probably assume i may not get into in pvt and the ones looking to 'socialize with a half naked chick with no obligations or pressure' tend to plop down and get too relaxed.

    I try to do the ignoring in stages or according to the kind of customer they are. But my general rule is that if they don't deserve to be kicked or banned i slowly disengage if i've answered 5 of their questions and given 5 acknowledgments. So 5x5. It is an awkward metric but it works for me.

    Basically if his questions go like this i keep a count in my head:

    -hi (acknowledgment 1)
    -how are you (1st question)
    -where are you from (2nd question)
    -[compliment or comment from him] (acknowledgment 2)
    -[a flirtatious comment from me] (acknowledgment 3)
    -how long have you been on the site? (3rd question - reminder of sexuality to prevent falling to friends zone territory)
    -how long will you be on today? (4th question - make sure to answer it for the room but not directly him - restart excitedly addressing others, throw in more subtle sexuality reminders but layer it with a very subtle reminder to pay up... Reward good behavior of others in the room with praise or movement)
    -[compliment from him] (acknowledgment 4)
    -where in [x] are you from? (5th and final question to answer)
    -[random comment from me - usually with direct eye contact and saying his screen name] (final acknowledgment)

    after that they start to fade into the background until they tip or go into a session. Usually they'll linger since you heavily engaged them. If they liked the attention they'll notice you especially reward others who pay... If no one is paying, talk about how you rewarded others who paid. For me i try to be indirect and vague about this.

    I keep this in my head since it feels like a math problem (ooo which number am i on with this guy?! 4x2! How about this one? 2x5!) keeps free chat more mentally challenging .

    Even if it is a smooth give and take kind of conversation or if i'm entertaining the room with some topic - by the 3rd question they've had my full attention so i'll make sure i'm reminding him and the room about something sexual and nonthreateningly remind them that i'm uh a mercenary. Not overtly but this can mean i mention my profile, toys, outfit, new pics, an awesome session i had, adding me to favorites, reminding them to rate me, making my voice more seductive, start swaying to music... Or something. After that they have 2 more questions that ill answer then i'll slowly stop engaging.

    It took me awhile to figure out what works. I'm still not sure thisis the best strategy since when i am vague only 50% of guys seem to get it, so i may try a more direct "tip me" or 'take me pvt" approach.

    But keeping score of that metric keeps me from burning out and my act faltering. I really try to view my camming persona as a different person that i have to transform into. It helps? But my appeal is not very girl-next-door or warm (ive tried this but it burns me out), so it depends on your hustle.
    you need to be hired as cam model coach!! I so need to write this down and put it on a sticky! 5x5!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CammingSince97 View Post
    My thought? If someone lingers in our chat room for more than 3 to 5 minutes he isn't shopping with money in hand. He's not shopping at all, but he does have something in his hand.
    This is the first and only time you'll see me type this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    Just like in stripping, if someone isn't paying, he shouldn't be getting your attention for free. There is a limit to how much time you should invest in someone before you move on. Giving them attention - even if you're not doing a show but just hanging out, answering their questions, giggling etc - you are giving them exactly what they want for nothing. These guys PRIDE themselves on seeing how much attention they can get for nothing.

    You shouldn't be entertaining these fucks for free. Especially if they come back more than once or twice and don't spend, I would just ban them.
    Yep, exactly. OP, are you talking literal hours or do you just mean that they're there for a long time... like maybe 30 minutes? I would say that if it's becoming apparent to you that they're just getting off on the free attention, you need to kick that person or sign off for a minute to clear the room. If the person come back once you sign on, I would type a private message to that person. I had one guy who was in my room for 15 minutes and had mentioned at the beginning of that time that he was new and would like a show. After 15 minutes, I kicked him out. He came right back and asked why and I told him, "You only get so much for free. Do you still want a show?" He said yes then proceeded to watch me for another 10 minutes. I banned him for three days then let him go. He paid me for 40 seconds about 4 months later. It took him that long to push the private button on impulse ONCE while I was already in a show. Made $1.40. NOT worth my time.

    I call these guys "squatters," I mark their profiles and if they are repeat offenders, they are permanently banned. They are NOT there to pay you, they get off on the attention, like everyone else is saying.

    Everyone has such good suggestions. I'll have to remember these for next time I'm online.

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    I love this thread! I've been camming for like a year and a half on and off and I still act too nice and pay too much attention to these damn freeloaders, thanks so much for the advice! hopefully this will motivate me more cause I'll be wasting less energy and time!

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    The way I see it sitting in my free room is a privilege.

    With so many free porn sites and google out there if you don't have money you should not be in a cam girl's room. Cam shows are for lack of a better term "personal porn". One does not expect free online porn to tailor to them, however when buying a cam show one would expect a reasonable level of tailoring (ie squirting, anal, DP on request). In other words if they want interaction while they are online jerking off they better be paying. There should be no room for these guys who don't/can't pay. If you can't pay or don't want to pay then that's dandy-get your ass out of my room, don't go into anyone else's room, and go on to some free porn site to get your jollies.



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    Thanks for all the replies guys! VERY helpful!

    Yep, exactly. OP, are you talking literal hours or do you just mean that they're there for a long time... like maybe 30 minutes?
    I've had quite a few people recently who won't go away. I was on for 2 hours or so the other day, went private several times, and every time I came back so did they. I was like really? I could tell they just wanted to 'hang out' in the room more then take me private, do their thing and go.

    You guys are great....definitely need to spend less attention on these fools. I try to be nice, because I HAVE had a few guys who didn't look like they were going to spend, when I paid some attention to them, and advised them to buy credits they have and come back and took me private....but my sanity isn't worth it in the long run just because they may eventually take me private.

    The persona I have on cam if you will is the girl next door, smiliey, flirty type of girl....it gets tiring really fast. Though I do think the smiling thing works to reel em in...

    You guys are the doctor Phil's of the camming world (except WAY hotter! LOL)- thank you for all the insight!

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    ^If someone keeps returning to your free room just block/ban his ass. You shouldn't even have to see his freeloading "face" in your room. Plus I think letting these wankers hang out sets a bad precedent for others.


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    ^ RIGHT?
    If you were working in any other place, a potential customer who sits in front of your business without buying anything from your "store" is LOITERING and should LEAVE!

    Same principle should apply to your cam room. He can give you all the compliments in the world, but compliments do not pay your bills. This type can be beneficial but get wayyy to clingy and is taking away from your business. use this type to engage in conversation when it gets slow every now and then but do not allow them to loiter in your room for hours at a time. They are getting free entertainment all night on your behalf, don't let them.

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    I've had a guy sit in my room for 20 min one time, I was thinking omfg get out.
    Then... he took me exclusive for 1 hr.
    Yepp...
    & what makes it better... we talked the whole hour lol.

    sometimes it does pay off.

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    I'm finding sometimes it pays to be patient but you can't always tell when it will.

    After a while with the chatty guys it usually becomes apparent whether or not they plan to get a show from you or are just camping out in your room for your attention and conversation (not talking about the beggars/obnoxious guys, they get the boot right away) I have found (for me) it's usually the quieter guys who may say hi, ask a question or two or make a couple of comments, then after several minutes go private.

    I love reading the experiences and opinions in this thread, but something I haven't seen come up- do any of you ever have customers who DO take you private, then want to camp in your room and chat after? I have a regular who takes me exclusive for 30+ minutes a couple times a week, then after the private is over he stays in my room to talk. Occasionally he drops by my room and hangs out but doesn't go private. Since I like the money, obviously I don't want to ever seem less than welcoming, but it can be a little distracting at times. Just wondering if others have dealt with this and what they do.

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    Just do what I do in real life.. Personal question are five bucks each, stupid questions you could of gotten off my profile (when I get stupid message on my profile asking something that is clearly written on my profile..) ten buck each.

    I say if your doing it on the webcam maybe make it light, like a dollar in tokens or more. You get to meet alot more people than I will ever meet in real life in one day.. If they want a answer they will pay if not they will move on or you kick them out. I say if they are trying to get a service without paying deserves a kickout or ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    With so many free porn sites and google out there if you don't have money you should not be in a cam girl's room. Cam shows are for lack of a better term "personal porn".

    If you can't pay or don't want to pay then that's dandy-get your ass out of my room, don't go into anyone else's room, and go on to some free porn site to get your jollies.
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    Because of my personality on cam, I get these kind of people who like to chat it up and ask questions nonstop. This advice is awesome with the 5x5 rule, thank you!
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    Nice!

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    I straight up telling them "If you love me so much then we would be in private, so obviously your all BS." Then I kick them out.

    AFter 3 questions, it is all bs. All a game, thinking they can charm you into working for free. I don't need freeloading friends, because they are NOT your friend. You did not sign up to cam to make friends. Now, if friendship does happen because they appreciate your time & efforts with privates and tips then it is a wonderful thing.

    More they type the less they spend. Is what I have found out. So I do limit it to 3 questions unless they are tipping. Then remind them to do so..

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    I've been trying the new tactic of after 3-5 replies, saying yeaaah, that'd be hot/lets do that/love doing it in private, but I can't say its been turning in those many privates off of chatters. They just scoot off - on the other hand, making them scoot off if they weren't going to pay works as well, since they probably weren't going to be anything other than a timewaste anyways.

    Got two of 30 today that got funny:
    -I'll turn on cam, you dominate me
    -Oh yes, love that, lets go private
    -I don't have tokens but I'll do anything you want to see.
    -I want to see tokens

    -what will it take to get those panties off?
    -tips, baby! (I didn't say this off the bat, I was much more seductive before but guys don't do subtle)
    -Okay, everyone chip in 10 tks!
    -You'll have to get a HELL OF A LOT of people to chip in!
    (I honestly got so internally bristle, 50 cents?! really? this isn't discount outlet pussy.)

    Edited to add: a good 80% of privates come from guys who ask just enough to know you'll do whatever they're looking for /see if you're friendly. They never want to waste much time either, why should they when they can get the real deal fast?

    Oh and, if you can check stats for guys on MFC be very very wary of longtime premiums who still only have 40 points - that means they only bought the bare minimum to annoy you in PM. If they're new, they're fine, but if they've been around for months, take 'em with a big grain of salt.

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    Non-spenders are banned. This is pay to play and they know it. I have friends. I don't need new broke ass friends. These guys are just trying to get something for nothing, don't let them.
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    Anybody thats asks me to do ANYTHING with out a tribute/gold gets BANNED. I dont give a fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk. I dont have the personality to smile it out. I get annoyed quickly, and I want my damn money. If you dont give it to me now, I will kick you out. And thats probably why Vanilla camming finally died for me...lmfao

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