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    what's up with SM? No one wants shows any more...they only want to stay in chat and ask for free...I'm really down about this....the guys are not really nice any more.

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    I get shows on there and so do other girls so before thinking that it's impossible to get shows there, think instead about how you're approaching it - are you streaming in HD? What options do you have enabled? what times of day are you working? Do you ban too quickly/ not enough? How's your cam and audio setup.. and so on..

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    I think it's also pretty typical for this time of year. You really have to be smart with your earnings in this business. Before peak season starts do your math and start planning so when we are on our down time (which is now) you wont need for anything.
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    Yes, I have HD, sound, the works...I've always done good there....it's like now all the guys want are free looks....just very slow. I wondered if anyone thought it was slow and only wanting free.

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    Yes. But I've learned that asking very general questions on this site will not get you very good answers/ feedback.

    I think that what MissKatie is saying is that if you want someone to say, "Oh my God, it sucks on there. No one is doing well anymore," it's probably not going to happen. I have thought that myself and even said some variations of it when I was upset. But the truth is that there are models who are still doing just as well or better than they used to on that site. I keep watching models rake in the dough while I'm sitting there shaking my head wondering what I'm doing wrong.

    I bitched about it for a few days and now I'm doing something about it.

    I spent the last two days running experiments on my page. I will be spending the next month running more experiments, changing one variable at a time to see what happens. Removing and adding components of my business and performance one a time, until I can figure out what it is that is causing me to no longer make money on that site. And by "no longer make money" I mean that I am making about 50% of what I made a couple months ago and am working twice the amount of hours. Not that I'm going to post real figures, but it would be like going from a job where I make $4000/month and work 20 hrs/wk to one where I make $2000/month and work 40 hrs/wk, pretty much consuming the rest of the my time to find a new job. Not cool.

    But we are our own bosses in many ways. Streamate does the advertising to get the guys to the site. We do the advertising to get them into our rooms and then to get them to give up their money to watch us. I still believe that the dynamic on the site has changed a lot in the past year. The guys, overall, DO expect A LOT more for their money. They act like they need live porn to survive and you're a bitch and a stupid whore for denying them. You have to just be reasonable and, if they won't, fuck 'em. I kick/ban ANY guy in my room who complains about how much I'm charging, what my goal is, what I'm willing to do in a show, and I kick then ban any guy who asks for the same thing more than two times. It has ABSOLUTELY changed on that site. Girls are showing more for free and many of us are paying for it and having to change our strategies to stay afloat.

    But... I'm done being whiny about it. Last night I pulled myself up by my bootstraps, sucked it up, whatever you want to call it, and decided that I make my own decisions.

    As much as it sucks on there, I can go to MFC or another site, or I can take my 8 years of college education and go be a sandwich artist at Subway if I don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amylh View Post
    Yes, I have HD, sound, the works...I've always done good there....it's like now all the guys want are free looks....just very slow. I wondered if anyone thought it was slow and only wanting free.
    Gold Shows have made most guys on SM very cheap. Combine that with an extremely low payout, and SM is not worth it anymore. The site is going downhill and is no longer one of my top sites. I'd advise finding a new main site asap.

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    Ive been camming for a very long time ok..
    Whats the bottom line?
    u gotta learn what to do, and learn quick. and make sure u do that... or u will fail.
    and when I said fail I dont mean not making any $$.. u will still make $$ but it will not be good.
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    this job is like going to war.
    U have to fight. and be smarter then your enemy ( lol .. the members)..
    this.. or u'll loose.
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    why do alots of girls think that they should and will bank as soon as they go online??
    dont u know u have lots of competition?
    Dont get me wrong.. the harder it seems for u, the easier it will become for me.....
    Thick skin gotta grow really thick....
    Nothing and NOTHING should bring you down.
    Keep on fighting or u'll be out of business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    Gold Shows have made most guys on SM very cheap. Combine that with an extremely low payout, and SM is not worth it anymore. The site is going downhill and is no longer one of my top sites. I'd advise finding a new main site asap.
    What site do you recommend? I'm on SM mostly but I also have a Cams.com and MFC account but I haven't spent much time on either. My bf does great on SM, way better than myself. I don't care for MFC though...

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    There are LOTS of posts on the forum like this. In fact, one was just posted about some "bad" site experiences and people are posting what they don't like about certain sites.

    If you use the search function, you can find a dozen posts on this topic. I'll see if I can repost the links for you, but please try the search function.

    Also, before someone else says it...
    Each individual has her own preferences and style, likes/dislikes. Every person has had a different experience. Lots of people hate a site and don't do well on it or haven't been treated fairly. Lots of people on the same site will tell you the exact opposite. Bottom line:

    You need to sign up with the site and find out how it works FOR YOU. I asked the same question when I was a newbie, and I was completely ignored. It took me about 5 minutes to figure out why. People have already answered this question several times. If you want to know which sites might rip you off (and again, that might not happen to every model on the site), see the thread being built right now toward the top of the forum. Also, there are threads about individual sites that you can search if you're wondering about a particular one.

    This site is a wealth of knowledge just waiting to be read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinsley View Post
    What site do you recommend? I'm on SM mostly but I also have a Cams.com and MFC account but I haven't spent much time on either. My bf does great on SM, way better than myself. I don't care for MFC though...
    It really depends on the girl, honestly. I've been doing great on MFC but some girls can't even make $1. Do a search, and sign up for like 10+ sites and see which one you do the best on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_Model_Jess View Post
    Yes. But I've learned that asking very general questions on this site will not get you very good answers/ feedback.

    I think that what MissKatie is saying is that if you want someone to say, "Oh my God, it sucks on there. No one is doing well anymore," it's probably not going to happen. I have thought that myself and even said some variations of it when I was upset. But the truth is that there are models who are still doing just as well or better than they used to on that site. I keep watching models rake in the dough while I'm sitting there shaking my head wondering what I'm doing wrong.

    I bitched about it for a few days and now I'm doing something about it.

    I spent the last two days running experiments on my page. I will be spending the next month running more experiments, changing one variable at a time to see what happens. Removing and adding components of my business and performance one a time, until I can figure out what it is that is causing me to no longer make money on that site. And by "no longer make money" I mean that I am making about 50% of what I made a couple months ago and am working twice the amount of hours. Not that I'm going to post real figures, but it would be like going from a job where I make $4000/month and work 20 hrs/wk to one where I make $2000/month and work 40 hrs/wk, pretty much consuming the rest of the my time to find a new job. Not cool.

    But we are our own bosses in many ways. Streamate does the advertising to get the guys to the site. We do the advertising to get them into our rooms and then to get them to give up their money to watch us. I still believe that the dynamic on the site has changed a lot in the past year. The guys, overall, DO expect A LOT more for their money. They act like they need live porn to survive and you're a bitch and a stupid whore for denying them. You have to just be reasonable and, if they won't, fuck 'em. I kick/ban ANY guy in my room who complains about how much I'm charging, what my goal is, what I'm willing to do in a show, and I kick then ban any guy who asks for the same thing more than two times. It has ABSOLUTELY changed on that site. Girls are showing more for free and many of us are paying for it and having to change our strategies to stay afloat.

    But... I'm done being whiny about it. Last night I pulled myself up by my bootstraps, sucked it up, whatever you want to call it, and decided that I make my own decisions.

    As much as it sucks on there, I can go to MFC or another site, or I can take my 8 years of college education and go be a sandwich artist at Subway if I don't like it.


    I agree i am spending more time for the same money right now too!
    I feel like im in the French Revolution!!!!!! "Sooooo Many heads sooooo little time!!"


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    Yes, I've been trying to play smart and I know there's a lot of competition....I haven't really whined any....it feels totally different since the gold shows....the guys even tell you how much to charge for you gold show...how long to do it....and I try to be nice and say guys...I'm giving you a show....give me a little something...show me you like it and I smile. Good Luck Girls....have a great rest of the week!

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    It seems that I cannot make money on SM( all guys do and go into my room and leave in 30 seconds flat) yet I am hired with high end cam sites such of Camwithher and just got accepted on Onhercam which are very picky so I know I am not ugly and also is not my personality since I dont even have the time to say "hello" lol. so what it is then?
    I thought since I been doing pretty well on the high end sites which have very low traffic I would go over to SM and MFC and try it out. And on MFC they stay in my room, talk and waste time, ask for everything for free or "take your clothes off then I will tip/go pvt" and since I wont they either stay in my room quietly or leave. I got a few pvts there and few tips but nothing to write home about it. I just wish high end cam sites had more traffic. *sighs***
    Or maybe sooner or later I am going to figure out what is wrong with me? lol and fix it

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    I always believe in marketing yourself outside of the site. Give people your link, and start networking. I have recruited over 300 men to various sites when i was a xxx cammer. THIS helps with my earnings A LOT. on streamate 75% of the money is yours if that customer is YOURS!

    Dn't give up.
    Stay consistent on your time schedule when you find the schedule that works for you.
    Update your pics .
    Update your profile.
    Don't give up.
    change your look .
    Dye your hair.
    Pluck you eyebrows.
    DONT GIVE UP.
    Dust yourself off, TRY AGAIN.

    #GirlPOwer

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    Finally I logged on streamate tonight and no encoder(which was making me sound like a duck) and I think was the reason people were logging on and off and 30 seconds and I made $95 in a 1 hr(my cut). Too bad SM pays only 35% even so I banked $270 in a 1 hr tonight only got less than $100 but oh well I broke the curse lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amylh View Post
    Yes, I've been trying to play smart and I know there's a lot of competition....I haven't really whined any....it feels totally different since the gold shows....the guys even tell you how much to charge for you gold show...how long to do it....and I try to be nice and say guys...I'm giving you a show....give me a little something...show me you like it and I smile. Good Luck Girls....have a great rest of the week!
    My last gold show I did things very differently. I am becoming *such* a heartless bitch and I love myself for it and they seem to love it too!

    I am not going to let some asshole think he can give me advice. I've been kicking every single guy out of my room who tries to tell me how to run my show or tells me I need to be nude or whatever. It's my show and I'm running things. If they come back after the kick I immediately am ready to ban them if they act like an ass.

    What I'm finding is that gold shows are getting me more premium shows! If nobody has signed up yet for the gold show I cancel and take the premium request.

    I am really limiting the time I use the gold shows though. I'm finding privates/exclusives way more lucrative most of the time.


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    This is the MOST frustrating thing about the adult industry to me. Porn tanked because of the tube sites (I'm aware it's a bit more complicated than that...). Now cam models are wondering why they can't make any money when the customer has gotten used to getting FREE shows. I personally use ImLive because I don't have to waste my time and energy ever speaking to someone for free. The traffic sucks... but at least I don't have this frustration of "are they gonna buy, are they gonna stay?"

    If all the cam models out there stopped performing for free, the customer would once again get used to paying to speak to the models. It's a shocking concept, I know. Because the cam sites retain customers through free chat. They'll eventually buy from someone at some point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    My last gold show I did things very differently. I am becoming *such* a heartless bitch and I love myself for it and they seem to love it too!

    I am not going to let some asshole think he can give me advice. I've been kicking every single guy out of my room who tries to tell me how to run my show or tells me I need to be nude or whatever. It's my show and I'm running things. If they come back after the kick I immediately am ready to ban them if they act like an ass.

    What I'm finding is that gold shows are getting me more premium shows! If nobody has signed up yet for the gold show I cancel and take the premium request.

    I am really limiting the time I use the gold shows though. I'm finding privates/exclusives way more lucrative most of the time.
    Privates are still the way to go. I do find though that when I'm in party chat mode, the chances of me having more than one guest stay in premium is better than if I'm doing classic chat.


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