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    Quote Originally Posted by ukmissy
    Roughly how many girls are interested in the collective? I've not been in the chats yet , but I remember there was a lot of interest last year . I'm wondering how many are still around ?
    Again...there was no cooperative cam-site like this last year. This site was announced and discussed on June 22nd, and had about 60 women pledge in the thread:



    and another several in my PM box...say 10-12...

    See, the confusion lies, even though I have specifically posted otherwise, as i show ^^^up there, in the fact that everything I do has some tinge of cooperative nature to it.

    I'm putting up a cam girl listing site/indy site. It is going to grow in exactly the direction the members want it to grow. It is going to be wonderfully autonomous and the rules are going to be refreshingly open. It's going to start simple, and if all works as it should, we're all going to work together to make it a HUGE TRAFFIC MONSTER, and it will be unlike anything the world has seen, and I won;t take any damn % of your money...it will be a flat fee of $20 per month{for the first 50-75 girls, then the monthly price rises for people who come AFTER it is successful...but the original 50, stay at $20 per month} (and hopefully some content if your willing for the promotion...which will directly be beneficial to you and will ALWAYS be marked as YOU and send traffic to you)...There is an absolute guarantee on that site that 20%-25% MINIMUM will ALWAYS go for promotions and traffic. ALWAYS. And it will be in writing on the site. It will expand as soon as possible to add all the stuff we need to make a full service site to support cam models.

    I am also finishing up a panty site, with a full eBay style auction, which will have listings as well, for panty sales AND fetish camming, and a FULL Forum to bring in the panty and pantyhose and sock and shoe and foot fetishers. It will have the same sort of collective structure with NO percentages, and everything up front, and hopefully we will all build it together into a kick ass resource for the camming community....

    THOSE are Bambalina sites, with a VERY collective slant...

    Then there is the Cooperative cam-site.

    THAT will be 100% owned by the women on it, (although others will be able to cam there and not own it and make a REALLY good percentage compared to bigbox sites out there) and will NOT be a Bambalina project, but one I will help organize and nothing more. I will own 1%, or if they decide to allow larger purchases, I will own 5% or whetevr I am allowed, but in no case more than others are allowed to own. I'm no-one special in that site, except I am the rah-rah girl to get the interest up and see if we can get enough women willing to put in the effort...

    If not, it will die...period.

    I then may take the 5 or 6 women I have found who i love and find their interest and intensity and creativity astounding, and I will open a cam-site with them...

    We'll see...I hope cam-models can see the value of this site and get involved,,if not...so be it...it isn't MY project...just one I truly believe in...

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    ETA: You are TOO cute! I will never miss you Missy...you rock...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissKatie View Post
    I am interested in this Bamb, the trouble is, while i have the cash to input, and can help organise, I'm different to most the other girls in that I have NO clue how to get my own traffic! I also don't work sites like MFC etc where business depends on how you can hustle, i just kind of sit back and let guys come to me. So would a collective like this really have a space for those of us who are NOT mega promotions/ hustling types?
    I came across this, and I don;t think I ever answered it...

    First, the number one advantage of a cooperative is that everyone works together to help each other as it is to everyone (who are owners) advantage to do so...unlike regular sites where you are competing, owners make MORE money if you do well, owners make money whether they get the customer or you do...see?

    So in general you see some VERY amazing things from people in cooperatives. Helping each other and using the whole mindset of "a rising tide raises all boats"...It's really quite wonderful and I can;t wait to see it happening in a camming environment, since cam-models have an EXTREME impetus to be greedy and closed off and keep their secrets to themselves, and this will be a place where that can finally be relaxed a whole LOT.

    Also, whether people believe it or not, I am a promoter, it is what I do. And I will be helping every woman get traffic and work toward a utopian traffic pattern. Since we can ALL bring traffic to the whole site (because other models doing well, means YOU do well) and we can teach each other how to bring traffic from the outside in to each room of each girl. And FINALLY, I will be able to share all my promoter secrets with you ladies, because we'll all be business partners.

    A dangerous and wonderful combination. IF we can just get the right combination of people to actually make it happen.

    So, yes, emphatically YES! there is a place for you in this mad coop scheme...come play with us!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinydancer23 View Post
    i have worked in a cooperative environment. i've been on boards. i've been part owner in co-ops. i've run organizations and businesses. i've consulted for organizations and businesses. no cooperative or collective is entirely run by everyone who buys in (unless it's extremely small) - leadership is elected. and that leadership has to work together. do you know what kind of drama goes on on boards in non-adult businesses and organizations? multiply that shit by a hundred.
    Well first, thanks for chiming in! I hope we can have a hearty discussion about this since you have cooperative experience. Although I fear you have had bad experiences if you believe the things you wrote up there.

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    A or producer cooperative is a cooperative, that is owned and democratically controlled by its "worker-owners". There are no outside owners in a "pure" workers' cooperative, only the workers own shares of the business, though hybrid forms exist in which consumers, community members or capitalist investors also own some shares. In practice, control by worker-owners may be exercised through individual, collective or majority ownership by the workforce, or the retention of individual, collective or majority voting rights (exercised on a one-member one-vote basis).
    Some worker cooperatives are THOUSANDS of employees in size and operate on One-Member One-Vote. I have worked in an environment like that, and my experience was opposite of yours.

    I have been on boards, I have been involved in worker co-ops, I have studied co-operative and collective groups in college, I have also been part of a commune, and work regularly with the Rainbow Family on projects for the Gatherings...I have not experienced things being:

    [quote]multiply that shit by a hundred.[quote]

    and in fact have experienced things flowing so much more smoothly when everyone has an owner-interest in seeing things flow smoothly...Of course there are debates and arguments and some strife at times, as in ALL partnerships or even corporations (corporations are after-all ALL collectives in ownership, just not in workers being owners, but in outside people being owners...), but my experience in worker owned cooperatives has been that strife is at a minimum and people are wonderful and astounding in their capacity to come together for a common goal and make the project happen. I'm sorry you've had such poor experiences in a collective environment. It is quite unusual. MOST people I know who do co-op work worldwide and have co-oped some larger businesses and corporate environments are very very positive and ebullient about the experience because it takess a place that is stale and filled with strife and removes all the impetus for people to "step on each other's heads" and such things....

    Ah well, for everyone experience is different I suppose. You are the first one I've met who reports bad things and strife in cooperative environments and worker collectives.

    the reason i won't touch this with a ten-foot pole is honestly...everything that's been posted about the collective has been unprofessional, inconsistent, and emotional
    I would LOVE some real examples. Not replies to people who are calling me a man, or people who are saying it is impossible, or I am a con-woman...since those would not exist in the real world. And obviously no Cooperative organizer would EVER be subject to the things said on this forum. For me, it is one of the most difficult parts of this venture...trying to explain how little I really control, which you, having been part of co-ops will completely understand, and then dealing the extremely unprofessional nature of a workforce made up completely of VERY competitive independent contractors, who work normally in a VERY hostile environment that makes Corporations look like Kumbaya picnics. And these women are either SO READY for the wonderful and opening experience a cooperative brings, or VERY wary and scared because they have been burned so many times, or they are seriously cynical and aggressively hostile. I have no understanding of the cynical and hostile folks in this sort of environment, since when I've worked in other co-op environments, or conversions, there is normally several folks that ARE hostile and aggressive, but there is usually an IMMEDIATE uprising against them bu those who wish to see the project through. And in a forum like this, that dynamic doesn't exist. Only Kaiarose and Aria exist to keep peace and allow for real change to be discussed.

    So I am still learning my organizational skills in this environment, as opposed to a company environment.

    - and really not on par with the kind of attitude i'd expect if i were going into business with someone.
    Well I definitely thank you for posting. You bring to light something important. And I hope to turn that attitude around and find the happy medium in this environment. Maybe someday I can bring you back on board. And we can give you a truly positive cooperative experience.

    i get that this is some people's place to vent and make shit personal - and that is totally fine. that's how i use this forum sometimes, too. but not if you expect me to take you seriously as a business partner. then it is a whole different ballgame.
    Well, I have a tendency to treat StripperWeb as a dysfunctional family. And I let it all hang out here. Because for me, this isn't still where I do business...It is where I plant seeds for both myself and my business ideas, and for the community as a whole. It is my sandbox for things I bring into real life. It is where I can anonymously check my stuff out, before I take it into production in Real Life, where my identity is known and I am held responsible. So in the end, most cooperative members will probably come from elsewhere, and most members of my other sites as well, and that's fine. Because girls on MFC will not expect to know WHO I AM before they sign up on my site...they don;t know who the hell Leo is, or who owns Streamate, or who owns Webcams.com...So they won;t care who owns my site either. Only HERE would people be so rude as to ask a sex worker their identity. But only here can I exercise my creativity and write "letters to Leo" and have the fun with that that I did. If my identity was known, Leo would fire my ass from MFC and ban me in a second...and I would lose quite a bit of my income. So, this place is special to me. And more than just for "venting".

    It is also a place in flux...because in the past when Malaya Taylor decided to rant at you for page after page after page and call you every dirty name in the book, you just had to take it, or cower and give in...I didn't...I fought back...and Malaya Taylor ended up leaving over it...but there was NO MODS like Kaia and Aria to step in and save the day and keep things civil...so you had to be prepared with teeth and nails and knives and bottles to defend yourself, and I admit to having got used to that form of response, much to my detriment. I am slowly learning to ignore and wait for them to show up, and even to tattle if things get bad enough.

    Because essentially you're right, and I'd like to treat this place as more than just a sandbox and more of a resource for real value. It could not be that in the past...now it can.

    But please recognize, the hostile folk are still around and they don;t play fair and they don't care about the truth. And Kaia and Aria cannot be everywhere at once and be on at all times...So problems occur. I have to get better at ignoring them.

    there has to be consistency, basic respect, willingness to listen, not take shit personally and get emotional.
    You're absolutely right of course. But try having someone write stuff about you that is completely filled with lies and half-truths and totally denigrates you basic character and humanity...and then another who responds by calling you a man, and so and so on...because there are cliques here, and packs...like wolves...and one needs to be wary, because to not respond is often taken as admission, to respond and quietly deny is ignored, and to respond and get nasty BACK is going to get you infractions and lose you the respect of people like you...a real lose/lose situation.

    and at least a basic knowledge of the kind of skills it takes to survive when running a business. i don't see that here.
    I wish I could bring you into my world in real life. You'd absolutely change your mind quite instantly (like within 24-48 hours) about me, as the life I lead and have led is so very very filled with responsibility and decision making and deals much bigger than this cam-site we're discussing. Plus, as I posted up ^^^ there somewhere, I have a REALLY full plate and a really busy and full life, and love it that way.

    i would like to see it. i'm not trying to trash-talk anyone. i'm just saying - from my experience in businesses and organizations, in cooperative and collective environments, and on boards of directors...this is not a healthy environment at all.
    Well hopefully that will change as this progresses. Maybe one day we'll drag you back in. It is also too bad you have not been to one of our chats, where there is NONE of this and all of the wonderful fertile enthusiasm of a growing Cooperative venture. You know the stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    ^Also previously said the collective members had told her in no uncertain terms that none of us (me, roast, sam38g, whoever else it was she named) would be ALLOWED in the collective, but now completely changing the tune to say that one/some of us should offer to run it and be interviewed in chat by the collective members.

    So, either we're not allowed to join because we're "mean girls" for disagreeing vocally (plus our advice is "fucking worthless" LOL), or we're the perfect candidates to run it, according to Bam's posts in this very thread. Confusing
    I make absolutely no comments on what type of candidates you are to run this cooperative. I only say that it is a free and open things and that you are welcome to come to one of our chats and take part and see how things go. That's it, no more no less and I am not calling anyone names or starting any trouble....that is done...I respect the mod, and I also wish to retain my dignity and see that arguing like a 12 year old doesn't do that...

    Thusfar, the people involved in the cooperative that sprang up after my posts about it in June, are vehemently anti-drama. And they see it that I have generally been treated poorly in a few threads by some of the principles in this one, and they asked me not to bring drama to the cooperative, and I don't.

    But basically, for every woman out there, who is really who I am speaking to in the posts about being a cooperative leader, come tae part and be one of the people who "run it"...So long as you're prepared for other wonderful creative minds to also be "running it" with you!

    Otherwise, anything I have said in this thread to make anyone feel I am dissing them or causing drama...I'm done and I am sorry if I made you feel that way.

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    i wish you could bring me into your world in real life, too, because i still don't see that here :\

    i have had both wonderful and awful experiences with co-ops, collectives, and boards in general. i've seen the fabulous, the great, the decent, the bad, and the horrendously ugly, lol. and i still work on boards and work as a consultant as well, so i haven't left it behind because of bad experiences or anything like that.

    the reason i mentioned my experience is because you've slammed other posters for their apparent lack of experience - i just wanted to point out that my own reticence doesn't have to do with lack of experience but that i've had enough experience to gauge to some degree what works and what doesn't, and the things i read here give me pause for concern.

    i do hope things work out and if some of the things that are red flags for me changed i would consider getting involved. and like i said it's not a commentary on you personally - i have always appreciated your insight on this forum. but i worry that that doesn't necessarily translate well to a business environment.

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    You're absolutely right of course. But try having someone write stuff about you that is completely filled with lies and half-truths and totally denigrates you basic character and humanity...and then another who responds by calling you a man, and so and so on...because there are cliques here, and packs...like wolves...and one needs to be wary, because to not respond is often taken as admission, to respond and quietly deny is ignored, and to respond and get nasty BACK is going to get you infractions and lose you the respect of people like you...a real lose/lose situation.
    those situations come up all the time in running a business or organization, so to me the fact that it's handled so unprofessionally here is a huge red flag. yes, it sucks and it's awful and unfair and whatever. but that is life, you know? i'm not trying to diss you or denigrate you personally, i'm just saying...the way you tend to respond under fire throws up red flags for me. this to me is reason number one that i would have concerns about going into business with anyone.

    And obviously no Cooperative organizer would EVER be subject to the things said on this forum.
    not in my experience. i've seen some pretty awful shit go down.

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    So in the end, most cooperative members will probably come from elsewhere, and most members of my other sites as well, and that's fine. Because girls on MFC will not expect to know WHO I AM before they sign up on my site...they don;t know who the hell Leo is, or who owns Streamate, or who owns Webcams.com...So they won;t care who owns my site either. Only HERE would people be so rude as to ask a sex worker their identity.
    if you owned a regular camsite, you're right, other than general info like your business address, i wouldn't feel a need to know who you are personally. if i'm going into business with you in a cooperative environment, especially if i'm serving on or advising your board (or whatever body would be elected to make the day to day decisions of running the co-op), i would damn well expect to know who you are.

    I would LOVE some real examples. Not replies to people who are calling me a man, or people who are saying it is impossible, or I am a con-woman...since those would not exist in the real world.
    those specific insults may not exist in the "real world" - although in my experience if you were going into business with people and were unwilling to be up front about your identity people would accuse you of all kinds of things - but people will insult you and say nasty things to you. i've seen communities break over hostility and unprofessional responses. i have also had very good experiences, like the ones you have described, but i've also seen horrible experiences, with awful accusations being thrown around and a lot of fuckwittery happening. which is why i pay a lot of attention to how people react when they are under any kind of fire. the fact is, you may not be subject to those particular insults, but you can and possibly will be subject to some pretty harsh criticism, insults, lies, and backbiting. and the fact that you can't handle being insulted here on a forum where you have a chance to go away and cool down makes me question how you'd handle (worst case scenario) being insulted and talked about horribly at a board meeting or election or behind your back to other people you work with. which are things i've seen happen. that's all i'm saying.

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    those situations come up all the time in running a business or organization, so to me the fact that it's handled so unprofessionally here is a huge red flag. yes, it sucks and it's awful and unfair and whatever. but that is life, you know? i'm not trying to diss you or denigrate you personally, i'm just saying...the way you tend to respond under fire throws up red flags for me. this to me is reason number one that i would have concerns about going into business with anyone.
    Understood, and you made me re-think things a lot...because I would never talk that way in a real life business situation.

    But there is usually some form of pretty immediate moderation for truly bad behavior in a real life business world situation. At least in my experience....

    Being anonymous here, and being on the net, and being among "family" made me loose and easy...and that should not be the case here.
    not in my experience. i've seen some pretty awful shit go down.
    Corporate, I'd agree, Co-op, never seen it...it's far too self-policing in my experience. Although YMMV...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinydancer23 View Post
    if you owned a regular camsite, you're right, other than general info like your business address, i wouldn't feel a need to know who you are personally. if i'm going into business with you in a cooperative environment, especially if i'm serving on or advising your board (or whatever body would be elected to make the day to day decisions of running the co-op), i would damn well expect to know who you are.
    Well, If I was on the board with you, I would expect all board members to know real identities. But I also would NEVER expect that to be true of share-holders...Also, it all depends on structure...if it was one body one vote, I would not expect in an adult situation like this that anyone would need to know anyone's private info who didn't choose to share it. (personal trustee/LLC as shareholder comes to mind)

    and a lot of fuckwittery happening.

    My new absolute favorite word of the day.... 5 stars! for fuckwittery

    which is why i pay a lot of attention to how people react when they are under any kind of fire. the fact is, you may not be subject to those particular insults, but you can and possibly will be subject to some pretty harsh criticism, insults, lies, and backbiting. and the fact that you can't handle being insulted here on a forum where you have a chance to go away and cool down makes me question how you'd handle (worst case scenario) being insulted and talked about horribly at a board meeting or election or behind your back to other people you work with. which are things i've seen happen. that's all i'm saying.
    Agreed it may seem that way, but an anonymous online forum allows for completely different reactions than one would use in real life. I mean, if some of the people on here talked to people in everyday life the way they do here, some people would have bruises and black eyes and stuff pretty often...it is the way of the net that we say things we would never say in person, because, basically, we aren't...

    Also, I've gotten armed alcoholics to move "A-Camp" at a rainbow gathering, where dozens of inebriated men are "in my face and screaming at me" and I handled the situation and they moved the camp. I've broken up knife fights, and I've seen to the needs of thousands while arguing with the forest service who says that we can't bring a water truck to get water to the pregnant moms, and I/we won.

    Forget workers co-ops, try a Gathering.....

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    i'm glad that you are different in real life. but - all we have to go on is what you say here. we don't have any knowledge of your credentials - because you choose to keep your identity private. which is totally fine generally speaking - i have no problem with people doing that, i choose to do that myself. but - if i were trying to open a website or get people to go into business with me i would post more professionally here than i do now. and since your behavior here is all i have to go on, i don't find it very promising and i choose not to get involved. but i do hope that it is successful.

    edited to add: i'm not sure i've ever posted anything here that i wouldn't say in person. speaking just for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinydancer23 View Post
    i'm glad that you are different in real life. but - all we have to go on is what you say here. we don't have any knowledge of your credentials - because you choose to keep your identity private. which is totally fine generally speaking - i have no problem with people doing that, i choose to do that myself. but - if i were trying to open a website or get people to go into business with me i would post more professionally here than i do now. and since your behavior here is all i have to go on, i don't find it very promising and i choose not to get involved. but i do hope that it is successful.

    edited to add: i'm not sure i've ever posted anything here that i wouldn't say in person. speaking just for me.
    Thanks and I'm glad I could answer you queries. Also, I appreciate your stopping by. You should think about starting your OWN cooperative and making it a success. There is nothing to stop you and I personally would do nothing but encourage you.

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    PS. You might also consider being a bit more forgiving and not jumping to judgement so easily I have posted far more here on SW that was helpful and not me defending myself, than I have otherwise. I also see it that people do more talking about me being emotional or not taking criticism, than actually happens. As I said earlier, I wanted to know where I had argued with valid logical critiques of the idea...

    Either way you are welcome to your opinion, and while we don't agree, I thank you for presenting yourself in a civil manner.

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    1. Never go into business with someone you dont know.

    Porn or otherwise you do NOT go into business with someone you don't know or can't research.

    A proven track record of SUCCESS is what you look for in a person you plan to do business with.

    Racecar driver- a good friend of mine does race for Porche, he does work directly with the engineers on things that do make it into mainstream production. So goes the racecar driver theory.

    I do work for cam companies. I have made suggestions to several of them and seen it implemented. I have been used as a ginny pig to see if things they want to implement works before bringing it to all the models.

    I would never do business with someone who has called me names in a discussion on the web.

    Getting names on a list is laughable, because people will sign up to alot of things. Does NOT mean they will put the actually money up or work into a project. Reminds me of girls who used to brag about their yahoo groups and how many men there said they would all join her pay site if she ever got it running. All talk, none of them joined.

    Bam has tried to do many different projects yet not one single one has been launched. Yet she still is trying to come up with new ideas to get you to "invest". If one single project has been started and made a success then that would be a track record of her getting something done. Someone who can't finish one project & focus just on it, cant get a group of people to work together inorder to get a MAJOR one done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    1. Never go into business with someone you dont know.
    Yes, and spending months, or even years knowing someone online doesn't count. Also, people in the real world...Do you ever REALLY know them? Think Bernie Maddow, and the guys a Lehmann Brothers, and the Mortgage companies, and many other con artists out there. You don;t really know them, just because indications are that they are trustworthy. In fact, you don't even know your own spouse, not really!

    So never go into business with anyone! In fact be scared!!!

    Anyway. I'm going to agree with Sam38G here in one way.

    I'm someone who will sign a contract and be an equal part of a cooperative with you. I have proven here I am the only one willing to step up and do the organizing, and the only one who understands what the hell a cooperative even is (except tinydancer23, possibly, who doesn't want to be part of it or lead it)

    So this means you have 3 choices.

    1. Forget this whole "camming can be better" thing, and just accept that men own and control your body. Go back to work for 35% at SM or struggle against the free shows for 50ish% at MFC. (I recommend against this one)

    2. Step UP! Go read up on cooperatives and how to organize them, and learn a bit about how to set up a cam site, and what is involved. DON'T listen to veteran cam-girls! Go out and put an ad on Freelancer or one of the other developer hiring sites, and see for yourself how much a cam site costs. research ways of getting traffic, and go read the adult webmaster forums out there for great creative ways to get traffic to your new site. Learn basic SEO. And DO IT!! Start a cooperative for cam-girls using only people you trust. Make it happen without me! You don't NEED me. You can do this!!!(#1 recommended option)

    3. Start showing up to CGU on Sundays and Wednesdays, and get to know the cooperative crew that is already working on this. Ask me questions, get to know me, and decide for yourself if I am someone who knows enough to possibly make this work. Help us make this project a reality and take camming in a totally new and wonderful direction. (This one is ok too...)

    Porn or otherwise you do NOT go into business with someone you don't know or can't research.
    But...DO sign contracts with people you don't know at all (Streamate) where you give away all content perpetually.

    Sam38G, who are all the owners of Streamate, by name??

    Basically this question shows a complete lack of knowledge of what a cooperative IS, how it is structured, and shows a complete lack of understanding of the FACT that you sign contracts with every camsite you work with, meaning you are "in business" with them. And EVERY Adult Entertainment Attorney will tell you that those contacts are almost always SERIOUSLY flawed and put you at an EXTREME disadvantage. Specifically Streamate (who Sam38G recommends) has terrible language which takes all your content forever, allows them to sell and own your image and likeness, etc. And I bet not one person here can name the 4 principle owners, much less the top 10 investors (yes, Sam38G, Streamate has INVESTORS) in that company. So some people give advice and then break it for themselves.

    But a HUGE piece of advice for people reading THIS thread, since you are interested in Cooperative and Collective camsites for models...

    Do NOT listen to or pay attention to any message written by someone too lazy to even learn what a cooperative IS, and how it functions and who repeatedly posts things that show a complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

    This is getting out of hand, and it does not help to encourage people who do not know anything about the subject.

    A proven track record of SUCCESS is what you look for in a person you plan to do business with.
    Right! Like we know that Streamate sells YOUR content to tube sites, from their track record, and that they do not pay you anything or even credit you with a link to your room.

    We Know Stream has a track record of paying 35% even though they are a company that profits in the MILLIONS per WEEK.

    We Know that MFC completely ignores rules breakers on their site, and that they encourage cam models to give their shows for an extremely low per customer price.

    We also know that with a cooperative, you are an absolute equal to EVERY other person involved and that no-one person can over-ride your vote. That a cooperative will have a contract which allows you to keep your content, will make rules that are fair to all, and will pay OVER 60% at all times. And remember, YOU are the OWNER.

    Racecar driver- a good friend of mine does race for Porche, he does work directly with the engineers on things that do make it into mainstream production. So goes the racecar driver theory.
    Nice way to complete change the idea and foundation of what I said.

    Your racecar friend is NOT qualified to OWN the Porsche company. THAT is what I said. Your friend is not qualified to run an Automobile company.

    You analogy shows that because you are a porn star, you should be allowed to help design the scenes you perform in, or to write a porn movie even. NOT that you should are qualified to design, run, or give advice on starting and owning a cam site.

    On top of this, these are NOT the criteria I really use when weighing the value of your advice. It is the actual amount of factual information contained in the advice (There are NO investors in porn business of any kind...Streamate pays models fairly and is a good company to work for...etc.), and the attitude and constructive or friendly nature which the advice is presented in. I then combine this with the information or advice showing the most important thing...Not being just a negative "attack", or bummer that says it is impossible, but that it actually offers alternatives, or offers help from the person offering the advice (stepping up and being willing to help or take the reins).

    On this scale, you can see that your advice to this thread completely does not meet any of the criteria.

    I do work for cam companies. I have made suggestions to several of them and seen it implemented. I have been used as a ginny pig to see if things they want to implement works before bringing it to all the models.
    None of that is criteria for owning or operating a cam site, and since you obviously DON'T understand the cooperative concept, I am not sure what you are doing here and what you add to the thread?

    Would you like to be a member of the cooperative I am organizing?

    Is that why you are here? You want to a be a part of it and help? I mean, there has to be SOME reason you are here in this thread posting this stuff again and again and using your time on something it seems you completely believe cannot and will not work...So please enlighten us.

    Are you starting you OWN cooperative? If so...announce it and then go make your own thread, ok? This one is for the Cooperative I started. I even welcome others announcing their cooperative here. But then make your own thread.

    I would never do business with someone who has called me names in a discussion on the web.
    So again, what are you still doing here??? What is the point of your posts?

    I mean Kaiarose SPECIFICALLY said if you don't have anything of value to add to this thread, which is about Then DON'T post.

    So how are you adding anything constructive? You're still just here attacking me.

    Please, go start your own thread.

    Getting names on a list is laughable, because people will sign up to alot of things. Does NOT mean they will put the actually money up or work into a project. Reminds me of girls who used to brag about their yahoo groups and how many men there said they would all join her pay site if she ever got it running. All talk, none of them joined.
    Your insults are unnecessary and are inappropriate here. The MOD has asked that it stop...Yet you just continue...Why?

    What you typed up there is an absolute waste of time...it doesn't help anyone here, or give ideas for the cooperative, or give great advice about how to make this happen...it is just negative and rude, and it really has no use here...

    Bam has tried to do many different projects yet not one single one has been launched. Yet she still is trying to come up with new ideas to get you to "invest".
    I have never asked one member of this board for a single dime, nor have I ever taken money from a member of this board, nor have ever asked for an investment in a business I own.

    So you are typing up more slander and lies. I am asking you politely to REMOVE that lie up there.

    If one single project has been started and made a success then that would be a track record of her getting something done. Someone who can't finish one project & focus just on it, cant get a group of people to work together inorder to get a MAJOR one done.

    Sam
    Thanks for your opinion. It isn't my project. Feel fee to start your own. Why do I threaten you so badly? Why do you feel a need to follow me from thread to thread attacking me? I feel very very sorry for you and sad that this is what you spend time doing.

    Please, find some stuff to do and some content that really helps other cam girls and not just being mean to people and stalking them in threads they post in.

    If you are SO huge a star, and such a great business-woman you come off looking really pathetic following me around and attacking my projects, when I have NEVER taken or ripped off anyone for even ONE DIME. So quit backhandedly accusing me of things you not only have no proof of, but just MADE UP out of whole cloth.

    B

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    Come on Evil chick , that's a bit unfair ! Make your money , don't post in a thread only to comment on what a waste of time it is . That in it's self is a waste of time and a little rude .

    Let's play nice.

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    This thread is epic and should never end. I need something to read while my room's slow. Seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by SybilVain View Post
    This thread is epic and should never end. I need something to read while my room's slow. Seriously
    Epic? Or epic fail? I mean, at some point epic Fail becomes SO epic as to become Epic Win...right?

    Am I there yet??? Please...tell me I'm there...am I a meme yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    Epic? Or epic fail? I mean, at some point epic Fail becomes SO epic as to become Epic Win...right?

    Am I there yet??? Please...tell me I'm there...am I a meme yet?

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    I declared it EPIC and stand by it - you're officially a meme!
    Now whether its an epic fail or an epic win, really depends on who's reading, to me its an epic entertainment win, but... I have a twisted sense of humour

    And I should really stop being the class clown and let people have serious convos without my boredom induced quips ^^

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    So, I believe we've developed an idea for a site that is so original it will innovate and cause a thrill in the cam-world. I obviously won't be talking about what makes it so innovative in any detail that would allow nefarious evil types to steal our absolutely original design, but I am strangely un-surprised that in a male dominated world like the adult entertainment business, there would be nothing new and interesting. I mean, look at porn moves, stripping, and almost every other area of AE...take it to the simplistic and most un-entertaining and blandly non-erotic vagina and cock show possible. I actually think that MFC will destroy mainstream camming as we know it. HOWEVER, I also believe it will open up opportunities that are unparallelled in recent camming history.

    Just as stripping being taken to the barest essentials, and "extras" created a niche space for neo-burlesque to flourish, and hard core spit-on-the-cock no story porn left room for Femme Productions and a few others who do well in the couples arena and porn for women.

    The market will be drastically reduced, but there will be a super opportunity for innovative folks with something absolutely new that caters to the exact market that is disenfranchised by MFC and SM becoming MFC-like. THAT group will be a wonderful market for those who think outside the box and bring something new to the table.

    I believe this cooperative is the absolutely perfect vehicle to bring a new paradigm to camming. And it's so much fun in chat when we start brainstorming names and such. Some of the cam-site names are downright hilarious. But generally what impresses me is how astoundingly creative women are about the camming atmosphere, that men generally don't even think of...And generally you'd figure it would be the other way around...logically I mean...since they are the customers and spend time moving from room to room and buying credit/stokens/gold/etc. and all the rest. And we see a totally different view of the site. But when you truly consider the difference in user experience of SM, MFC, Webcams, AW, LJ, Etc. You realize how different the atmosphere CAN be...

    I think this project (or let's say THESE PROJECTS {plural} have an opportunity to make a whole new direction in camming platforms...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SybilVain View Post
    I declared it EPIC and stand by it - you're officially a meme!
    Now the question is whether I am more like the Rickroll-er or the Rickroll-ee.


    Now whether its an epic fail or an epic win, really depends on who's reading, to me its an epic entertainment win, but... I have a twisted sense of humour
    I think it is only truly epic win for those who want to be entertained like you. Otherwise if you think reading Bambalina's Logwinded posts is like having glass shot into your bloodstream and having to feel it travel through your veins...then this thread is definitely epic fail...

    If you came here to actually be inforned about that wild B's awesome Collective idea, and really find the down and dirty truth and updates and how the chats go and all that....well the de-railing have made for some monumentally epic fail.

    If however you are HUGE fan of Kaiarose (and who isn't...c'mon) and await her every appearance with baited breath...then this thread is thusfar EPIC win, as she unleashes the Mod Whip and spanks us soundly...I must admit, I was turned on and my girlcrush was definitely increased...

    In the end though, I'm betting yer cam room is WAY more interesting, and we should all come party there....

    And I should really stop being the class clown and let people have serious convos without my boredom induced quips ^^
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    You just want to leave room for more and bigger train wrecks to occur, for your amusement...I read you like a tealeaf through a piece of tracing paper!

    But seriously folks, Now that the concept of cooperatives is unleashed on the world by my incredible and versatile mind (it WAS all me, read what they all said! Forget that there have been cooperative for over 100 years in MANY MANY industries...and that even AIRLINES have been employee owned) and I am so magnanimous as to give you all the go ahead to make a co-op, even though that is like me telling you it is ok to type using a "Keyboard", why the hell aren't more of you starting co-operatives?

    I mean, hey, it's a way that 10 women who each have $500 can open a really cool $4k website and have $1000 for hosting and traffic. How cool is that?

    And you are all so wonderful and creative and cool...seriously...and if you sit down (or stand if you like that better...do yoga...masturbate...take a shower...a walk...whatever helps your creative juices) and think for a few minutes, you might think of something that cam-girls/strippers/escorts/porn girls need that isn't out there right now. YOU can make it happen and do it as a cooperative so all women can benefit.

    Wheeee! Fun! Yay! Wooo!

    Cooperatives rock!

    Now, lets get back to Sybil and her boredom.

    You aren't letting it SHOW are you? You have that smile pasted on that looks as if you JUST off the most fun ride at the amusement park...right?

    I'm telling you...party in your cam-room!

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    Oh my, I'm not logging back onto any camsite till this funk's gone. I'm gonna go ahead and say it, "boredom" is actually classclown code for "just got really fucking bad news about my grandmother's health and if any meany man doesn't give me the money I deserve I'm gonna cry on cam".
    I'm just taking care of myself now, perving the forums and engaging with people and themes that talk business, even if in lurkmode, see if I can get back to camming with confidence tonight or in the morning.

    ((As I'm writing this, a guy tells me 20 dls for a 10 min. show is too much for him. Actually laughed instead of crying! My pro self said "aw I'm sorry" and my impish self said "well guess its youporn for you tonight, asshole." ))

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilChick1989 View Post
    *yawn* Instead of reading these novels here why don't we go make money? Crap I could not even read most of this.
    Are contributions of this nature really allowed ?!! Not only allowed but actually praised by certain members here !! LOL Someone entering a thread to yawn, and exclaim how she can't be assed to read the thread!

    It is one thing to not agree with bambalina , - Supa, Sam , Roast etc , have all made valuable contributions in my opinion ... but to come in and write a rude and pointless post , is not what the forum is about ....

    Pretty disgusting . That's not debate , I'm out .

    B*- When I say I'm out in threads.... I AM out ! I shan't return to post here, because if comments like the one I've pointed out are allowed, this isn't going to be a debate, but just an out right bitch fest . I'll be around to talk on other threads and will post in the other work thread until girls start ruining that one with useless one liners too .

    Off to look for threads here on SW that I deem useless now , so I can waste my time posting in them and telling people there they should be making money . The intelligence of some people is beyond me !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukmissy View Post
    Are contributions of this nature really allowed ?!! Not only allowed but actually praised by certain members here !! LOL Someone entering a thread to yawn, and exclaim how she can't be assed to read the thread!

    It is one thing to not agree with bambalina , - Supa, Sam , Roast etc , have all made valuable contributions in my opinion ... but to come in and write a rude and pointless post , is not what the forum is about ....

    Pretty disgusting . That's not debate , I'm out .

    B*- When I say I'm out in threads.... I AM out ! I shan't return to post here, because if comments like the one I've pointed out are allowed, this isn't going to be a debate, but just an out right bitch fest . I'll be around to talk on other threads and will post in the other work thread until girls start ruining that one with useless one liners too .

    Off to look for threads here on SW that I deem useless now , so I can waste my time posting in them and telling people there they should be making money . The intelligence of some people is beyond me !
    You'd hate most of the threads I start, because sooner or later in comes one of the "non-intellectual types" to tell us what a waste posting is and how we should all just go to work....read the MFC thread, there are like 8 or 10 of those posts in there I think...

    And what is funny, is the meatier and more controversial and IMPORTANT a thread is, the more likely people will come say to stop talking about it, and go back to work...while threads about whther you boyfriend gets off on your camming or whether one toke tips hurt you on MFC....VERY unlikely to ever have anyone say it is a waste of time and to go back to work...

    weird eh?

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    ETA: what is worse that ALL that is me replying to a you who really left and is no longer participating in this discussion...seriously...hello? hellllllooo?

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    So since some of you want to ignore what I said, you girls get to be pointed! And everyone that thanked Evil1989 including herself will all be pointed. You girls make my job as a mod 10x's harder than it has to be!! If this drama keeps going, I will send a PM to Pryce personally and see if CC needs to go or if certain drama starters need to go. This is bullshit! You WOMEN are in the ADULT sex industry.... grow the F up!!!

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    I "thank you" the post because all the long drawn out post was attacks on each other and not what the thread was intended for. Im sorry thought I could thank what I wanted too, guess not.

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