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    Before you declaw your kitty, please look into a product called Soft Claws. They're plastic covers for your cat's nails that you glue on and they last for six weeks at a time. You can even get them in fun colors! The colored ones make it easier to see when one is missing.

    eta: Oops, nvm. I see you got rid of the little guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    You are really missing the point.

    It doesn't matter.

    The cat shit all over my floor today so I took it to the humane society. Between you guys bitching at me on SW and the cat destroying my house by shitting everywhere and destroying my carpeting and furniture I just took him in.

    I don't care anymore, it's over with. Unfortunately the no kill shelter was closed so I had to take him to a shelter that euthanizes if the cat doesn't past a temperament and medical check. So if the cat is euthanized because he can't go in the litter box properly then at least we all know he doesn't have to go through a horrible declaw procedure. I donated money to help offset the cost of his intake.

    Happy?

    You took a KITTEN to the shelter because a baby had an accident??? How about a vet check to see what's wrong with it???
    PLEASE don't get anymore animals. I thought you were so concerned with the bond it had with your child, guess that went right out the door when you were inconvenienced.
    Yes, I am happy now. That kitten is better off with at least a chance for a good home or if not better off humanly euthanized then belonging to you.
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    He is almost 6 months old, he is not a newborn kitten.

    Yes, I took him to the shelter.

    My autistic son doesn't understand not to eat cat shit and/or the chemicals I have to use to sanitize the stain. I don't need my son ingesting cat shit and cleaners.

    I took the cat to the vet TWO days ago, and they had no answer for his shitting. It wasn't an accident, it's like it leaks out of his butthole. He has been dewormed and has no fleas, so they said they couldn't help. I took him to the vet to have his eye checked out, it turns out he had something in it and they rinsed it out and gave him antibiotic eye drops.

    I am not as concerned about my son's bond with a cat as I am my son's health. My son has tried to eat the cat's shit which spontaneously appears on my carpet on several occasions and that is not healthy for him.

    Good riddance. I'm such a bad person, lol. You make me laugh, it's a cat.
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    ^Your complete lack of caring for a living thing is pretty crazy.

    I'm glad you took it to a shelter. The cat has a better chance of being cared for at a kill-shelter than it apparently would in your home.

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    When did I say I didn't care about the cat?!

    If I didn't care why would I have taken it to the vet two days ago? Why would I have taken it to the shelter? Why not just throw it outside since I'm moving anyway?

    Exactly. I do care about the cat, but not to the extent of a psycho animal lover. It was not working out. You people act as if I harmed it or neglected it intentionally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    You are really missing the point.

    It doesn't matter.

    The cat shit all over my floor today so I took it to the humane society. Between you guys bitching at me on SW and the cat destroying my house by shitting everywhere and destroying my carpeting and furniture I just took him in.

    I don't care anymore, it's over with. Unfortunately the no kill shelter was closed so I had to take him to a shelter that euthanizes if the cat doesn't past a temperament and medical check. So if the cat is euthanized because he can't go in the litterbox properly then at least we all know he doesn't have to go through a horrible declaw procedure. I donated money to help offset the cost of his intake.

    Happy?
    Yes. You have your hands full already and animals are like having a baby forever. They are a lot of work and it takes love and lots of patience to be a pet owner. You did the right thing. I have no doubt it will pass into adoptions. I used to volunteer in a shelter and it's only extreme health and behavior issues that don't pass. What you describe is extremely mild. If you think it's "just a cat" just never own pets. No one has forced you to. There's plenty of people in this world who will love and adore that cat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post

    I took the cat to the vet TWO days ago, and they had no answer for his shitting. It wasn't an accident, it's like it leaks out of his butthole. He has been dewormed and has no fleas, so they said they couldn't help.

    Good riddance. I'm such a bad person, lol. You make me laugh, it's a cat.
    No it's my turn to laugh, a VET says there is nothing they can do? I find that extremely hard to believe. Either way it does sound like something was wrong with it.

    The whole who cares it's a cat, i think,is why everyone is so upset. Again, please don't get any other animals. They are living beings that deserve to not be easily disposable and apparently in your household they are.
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    ^ sounds fishy to me too... my first instinct is diet concerns then perhaps either neurological disorder with the sphincter or lastly muscular with sphincter but both involve surgery which is expensive... it was my cat Id go for the diaper option... but hey... not a problem now.

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    The vet said there was nothing apparently wrong with the cat.

    What did you want me to say? You're lying? The cat was dewormed and they said that "kittens just do that". I don't care if you believe me, I don't owe any of you an explanation.

    I took the cat to the largest vet in the city, who happened to be open on Labor Day because they are a 24 hour vet anyway.

    The cat ate a solid food diet, Iams kitten formula.

    I let him eat a little bit of canned food for about two weeks and I saw no change, but he seemed to like his Iams better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    I didn't get him from a shelter.

    I got him from a person at 8 weeks old.

    I'm not getting rid of him, my son has autism and they love each other. My son doesn't have any playmates and he is very attached to the cat.

    The cat is getting declawed, it is a legal procedure and I have had several cats that I grew up with who were declawed and were just fine.

    He does not pee anywhere, the other cat that I got rid of did. He uses the litter box fine, he just tracks poop in the house sometimes.

    I don't care who thinks it is "inhumane". I am very aware of what the procedure is and he will be fine. He will be under anesthesia when it takes place because it will be done at the same time as his neuter. He will have pain medication and he will survive.

    And velvet, if I didn't have much sympathy I would take him to a shelter. He is an all black cat and those cats do not get adopted very easily, statistically speaking. I provide him with everything he needs and I am a very patient person. I have an autistic child and am a single mother, I don't think you know much about me. You can say whatever you want about it but I don't care, he is getting declawed.

    He has toys and a great scratching post, he does not use them. I am not putting double sided tape and/or tinfoil on leather couches. My son will rip it off and eat it, he puts everything in his mouth.

    The cat's "psyche" is not worth me losing my $1500 security deposit at my new condo. I have priorities--i.e. a job, house, and an autistic child. A cat's mental health is not at the top of my list.
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    Actually......It IS just a cat.

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    I have had pets all my life.....we now have a dog(for 6 years). Everyone in the family loves the dog, play with it daily, take it on trips, sits on the couch with the kids at night...We can say its a member of the family......but its not an equal member of the family....its a pet.

    If one of our kids got sick and it wasnt covered by insurance, we would do whatever it took to make sure they got the best treatment possible..get a 2nd job..move into a 1 bedroom apartment.........whatever.

    If our dog got sick and needed ...say....a 10K surgery, and it would, for example require our daughter to quit her gymnastics team in order to afford it....

    well.......we will miss you, Puff.......but only until we got a new puppy.....or about 2 weeks...whichever comes 1st.

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    If the gymnastics team is more important than your pet's well-being, being a pet owner is really not for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kandie_kitten View Post
    If the gymnastics team is more important than your pet's well-being, being a pet owner is really not for you.

    No...its for me. I have been a pet owner my whole life.

    If you had a hamster, would you spend 10K on him if he got sick? what about a goldfish?


    Do you have your children on the same footing as you have your pets?

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    I only get pets if it's going to be a lifelong commitment.

    I do not have a desire to own a hamster or fish, so I can't speak to that.

    But for my dogs, horses, birds, snakes...whatever the cost to keep them healthy and happy, so be it.

    I do not have children, but if I did and it came down between a surgery for my dog or gymnastic lessons for my daughter...that's a no brainer, of course I'd get the surgery for the dog. It'd also be a great lesson for my daughter, for her to learn that sometimes you have to sacrifice for your family.

    What I don't understand is...why do people like you get pets? You don't NEED them. And since they aren't very high up on the priorities...why get them at all?

    Why not get something like this http://www.amazon.com/Fur-Real-Frien...593806&sr=8-12 so you can snuggle it and all the rest, but not hurt a life.

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    I was just making a point......

    I knew you didnt have children......I didnt have to ask......people with children know how silly it is when people say that their pets are 'just like children'

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    I agree with lemiwinks.

    If you have kids or other priorities you can still have a pet, but sometimes spending thousands isn't practical.

    I adopted a chihuahua puppy from a woman in October 2010. The dog was vomiting a lot 18 hours after I got him home, he was 1.5lbs. Took him to the vet, they said he had parvo...that he'd need to be in the hospital for 5 days and he had a 40% chance of survival. I paid them, I paid them $1500 CASH. I also spent $400 on adopting the dog, AND spent $150 in supplies for the dog. So we're talking $2,000 I spent in 6 days, CASH. Guess what? The dog died 6 days after I got him, in the hospital, he was too weak to survive the parvo. I sued the woman and I got a measly $125 7 months later because she is poor and doesn't have a job, so I will never get any of my money back. I sued her because parvo takes 7-10 days to show symptoms, and since he was very sick 18 hours after I got him it means he got the parvo in her care, as I had no other dogs he could've caught it from.

    Long story short, spending thousands to "save an animal" is not worth it to me after I got burned. I really wanted that dog to live and I cried when he died. I am not heartless. I just learned from experience.

    Furthermore, after spending $2,000 I fell behind on my bills for a few months AND had to borrow $1,500 from my grandma to pay rent for two months. I suffered and my son suffered.

    I am just now recovering from that in the last few months. Had I not spent $2,000 on the dog my FAMILY would have been OK. I almost lost my house.

    So, long story short, I will never spend a large amount of money on vet care ever again. My family's importance is far above an animal's.
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    Sorry Lemiwinks but money has nothing to do with what we were discussing. I agree every pet owner has their limits on what they can afford and 10k would be well over the limit for a lot of people. But that doesnt mean the animals life has no value and it's ok to do unnecessary and unethical procedures on them. If a surgery is going to cost that much then the animal is likely in a very bad position as far as quality of life and euthanasia is likely the most humane option. That still doesn't mean it's "just a cat" it's quite the opposite. Its a living creature, part if your family so you make the choice that's best for the animal. Laurisa was making a choice that was convient for her. Which is her choice but pet owners need to be selfless. It's pretty clear from her tone and her quote "id hit the stupid dog too" that she is probably not the best candidate to own pets. I don't think that makes her a bad person, but I'm kinda dissapointed that people would agree with that or think it's a perfectly ok attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemiwinks31 View Post
    I was just making a point......

    I knew you didnt have children......I didnt have to ask......people with children know how silly it is when people say that their pets are 'just like children'
    Not all people. I pretty sure you could ask anyone of my professors and they'd share kandies opinion. Some people do value their animals as equals even when they have kids (my mother in law is one). She spends over $5k in the 80s bringing her dog here from Overseas and they didn't have money. I'm sure that meant her kids went without something. That's her choice. You can't really make an assumption that every pet owner who also has skin babies thinks like you. Not saying your thinking is wrong. But there is a wide spectrum of attitudes of people who own pets. I've seen and heard it all.

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    I have a child, I also have 5 cats and a horse. They ARE very much part of my family and yes kinda like my babies. Of course I don't get the two confused but I make sure ALL family members are cared for in good and bad health. I have a care credit credit card that i keep clear in case I do have an emergency with my pets. We are not talking heroics here but shit happens especially to horses lol. I made the commitment to all of them to care for them till the day they die. If I couldn't afford them and would have to give up "gymnastics" in a case of an emergency I wouldn't take them on. Every single one of my animals including my horse were stray, in a shelter or neglected and I won't let that happen to them again.
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    I think an animal's life has value, and I do not think they should be starved or intentionally harmed. When I said hit the "stupid dog" I meant I would smack the dog just like you might spank a child. I don't hit my son, but a dog is different than my child. If the dog was repeatedly having accidents I would probably show them the pee and smack their butt, because that is stupid behavior. I know there are medical reasons animals have accidents, but I don't have unlimited patience to clean up piss.

    BUT, I only think an animal's life has value to a certain extent. As you said, if their quality of life is waning and they are elderly then it is probably best to humanely euthanize them. If their medical care means the difference between me having a savings and taking care of my priorities and my real responsibilities (i.e. feeding my family, housing my family, getting my son's therapy paid for) or me not having those things then the animal comes second. No animal is worth what I went through before and I will not do it again. Antibiotics, sure. Humane euthanasia, sure. I euthanize all of my rats when they are elderly and have complications (males typically have paralysis and females typically have mammary tumors as they age), I also have neutered a few of my male rats that couldn't live with other males so they could have female housemates and not impregnate them.

    I consider myself a responsible pet owner. What I did for the Chihuahua was out of genuine care, but I guess my tolerance with the exorbitant price of veterinary care and how it affects MY life has just worn thin.
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    ^ I think that's fair enough. And it sucks that happened with ur chi. The breeder is definitely at fault. Maybe the vet wasn't clear enough with how serious 40% chance of survival is. Even I might not go through with the treatment because puppies are extremely fragile. The smallest change in homeostasis and it's game over. A 40% chance of survival is extremely low and not surprising you were taking a big risk investing that money. For me it's not the value of the precedure against the value of the animal. I look at things in relationsion to the likely outcome and risk involved. It's a lot easier for me to judge what's appropriate or not because I understand the science but I can understand how it's confusing and upsetting for some pet owners because not all vets are good at communicating the potential consequences especially when owner emotions are involved.

    A dog who pees inside is not stupid. There's a saying "there are no stupid dogs just stupid owners". Dogs are very obedient when trained properly. Hitting them is not training properly and I highly doubt any trainer would recommend that as a training technique. Classical conditioning is the easiest and most effective way to train. My dogs don't piss in my house... Are they smarter than the OPs dog? Probably not they just have an environment and training conducive to learning. There are very very few untrainable dogs in this world. How is it some people can train their dog to do all sorts of tricks and others don't even seem to be able to housebreak. It's really not that hard if you are patient and consistent, but people are lazy.

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    * eye roll* When my dog came to me out of the pound, he knew nothing, was unsocialized with dogs, had innapropriate responses to humans, and knew no tricks. Now he's the best trained dog so long as I don't set him up to fail like have him off leash when a bunny runs by.

    As far as the SOs dog, she has stopped peeing inside the house. We definitely stay on top of it with taking her out, but at the same point, those longer stretches when she'd just dawdle off and go pee are over, and I do think knowing that we get very angry when that happens has contributed as well. Now the SO is in the middle of trying to train her not to break out of the fence. That bitch is seriously houdini. She'll just break out and then sit outside the fence, or come hang out by the front door. I don't get what the big deal is to her about just staying *inside* the fence.

    Laurisa-- that completely sucks about your dog. I'm sorry I also think that your cat's going to be fine and that yes, giving him up during the stress of the move and not wanting your kid to eat his poop is the responsible thing to do. I wish you'd been able to wait for the no-kill to open, but so long as the shelter he is at has a lower rate, he'll likely be fine. And-- with the move, you have so much other craziness to deal with. I keep meaning to contribute to your other thread about the loneliness and the craziness but at the moment have only been able to lurk as I'm travelling.

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    pff gymnastics.

    if you say, said your daughter would have had to quit university or you woulda had to move to a small apartment but i would understand. from my personal experience, gymnastics is one of the highest fees and smallest return kinda sports. only one is millions have the talent to be truly successful and even then they would have reached their prime by 16 and can last a maximum of 3 olympics.

    talk about a bad example. if you dont have any good points to raise just dont say anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anouk.oui View Post
    pff gymnastics.

    if you say, said your daughter would have had to quit university or you woulda had to move to a small apartment but i would understand. from my personal experience, gymnastics is one of the highest fees and smallest return kinda sports. only one is millions have the talent to be truly successful and even then they would have reached their prime by 16 and can last a maximum of 3 olympics.

    talk about a bad example. if you dont have any good points to raise just dont say anything.
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    Its not a strippers vs non-strippers thing.......

    Its more of a people with kids vs people who think their pets are just like kids thing.

    The point was to demonstrate that I agree Laurisa, her KID comes 1st(and 2nd & 3rd). The pet is a pet. If the pet is not good for her kid...its got to go. We love our pets, but nothing like we love our children. I am willing to guess that about 95% of people with kids feel the same way. Just because the point differs from your views, doesnt mean its not a good one.

    And by the way, you totally miss the boat on the benefits that gymnastics(or any sport, really) gives to young girls. Making the olympics, or even getting a college scholarship was never a consideration. Working hard, setting goals, acheiving those goal through hard work, accomplishment, being a member of a team and realizing that others are also relying on you, friendships, etc. Her extremely high self esteem can be partially attributed to it. Getting straight A's is a walk in the park for her, as she is used to working a lot harder.

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