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    This article really burns my ass! This woman should be ashamed of herself -she makes herself look so weak & pathetic.

    http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ills?GT1=43001
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    Eh, I think she makes herself sound like any other "civilian" woman who has to consciously step into sex work, when she never had considered it, previously. She's shocked at herself and her current situation. She's not entirely comfortable with it but she's making herself do it. I can empathize with that. She's experiencing an amount of culture shock. That seems normal.

    I do think the tone of the article is a bit melodramatic.
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    Arguably this girl's story is a real world example of the changing paradigm regarding the 'costs vs benefits' of attending college these days.

    A key point not addressed in the story is the high probability that this girl has taken on $100-$200k in student loan debt in order to obtain her law degree ... student loan debt which cannot be discharged via bankruptcy ... which carries a monthly payment of at least several hundred dollars. When student loan payments can't be made on a timely basis, interest charges keep increasing the total student loan debt amount. And obviously the entry level job opportunities in the legal profession are hard to come by and pay comparatively poorly these days.

    Admittedly this story churns up most of the 'successful' news coverage aspects for 'sweeps week' ... hot chick , stripper etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivianbear View Post
    Eh, I think she makes herself sound like any other "civilian" woman who has to consciously step into sex work, when she never had considered it, previously. She's shocked at herself and her current situation. She's not entirely comfortable with it but she's making herself do it. I can empathize with that. She's experiencing an amount of culture shock. That seems normal.

    I do think the tone of the article is a bit melodramatic.
    I think it's melodramatic too. "Selling her body instead of her mind", the usual sexist, puritanical garbage. How do you write an article exploiting your subject's trust and denigrating her actions while saying her decision is understandable?

    I missed how she's made herself look weak and pathetic.
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    Okay, for the record.

    When you are selling a product then you are physically giving that product away for use. If you are selling a service then you are literally giving that service up in exchange for money. I love how they said she is selling her body, right.

    A prostitute doesn't sell her body. Technically she sells oral sex, anal sex, and vaginal sex.

    A stripper doesn't sell her body. Technically she sells lap dances and nude/topless stage performance.

    The only way you could sell your body would be to physically give your body to someone, as in perhaps selling your cadaver in exchange for money for your family--which is illegal.
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    So true! I think it's just another twist on the idea that it's not "real" work or larbor so we're some how just taking money in exchange for being handled. Sex work has to be considered a real service before the majority of society is going to change it's language about how we capitalize off of our physical work. Maybe that's one disappointing thing about the interview: although she's very conscious of the women around her and the variety of their own circumstances, she's not particularly thoughtful of the fact that it's a real job with real labor conflicts (especially, in terms of our working conditions) and we deserve a little more recognition as a work-force. Again, jumping into stripping out of nowhere is a little overwhelming and there's a lot to take in so I can give her the benefit of the doubt.

    Did you guys read the comments section?! I think that's always the best part of stories like this, anyway. Regardless of the condescending tone of the article, people have such insane perspectives on who we are and what we do! That was at least a good thirty minutes of entertainment, on it's own.
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    ^^
    Hilarious. And sadly true- I have plenty of friends in the same boat.


    That article pissed me off a bunch- They went so over the top with it. Of course the stripper who is thrilled with her job and genuinely enjoys what this life has to offer does not sell articles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    She used her real name and picture.....who wants to make a bet she's using this article as a ploy that some white knight at a firm will give her a job offer? Any place she's going to be applying to is going to be googling her name as part of their background check, maybe she's just trying to stand out from the applicant pool!
    Ya know, that would make a lot of sense. I think the article says she's using her stage name though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivianbear View Post

    Did you guys read the comments section?! I think that's always the best part of stories like this, anyway. Regardless of the condescending tone of the article, people have such insane perspectives on who we are and what we do! That was at least a good thirty minutes of entertainment, on it's own.
    Yep. Honestly, I was pretty shocked at the amount of people who said they couldn't fault her for what she was doing as opposed to the few nasty comments about how she should stop degrading herself and relocate to find "honest work." But it also saddens me because I know the only reason they feel this way about her is because of the angle of the story. It's so dramatic and "oh, she didn't really want to be a stripper - and look - she has a law degree, and she tried to get work doing anything else, and this is all totally not her fault" yada yada. If it was just a standard story about a girl who decided that stripping was more lucrative than working 3 waitressing jobs at a time and didn't have the aspect of "I never ever thought I would do this" to it, you can bet people wouldn't be so sympathetic. Stripping is one of those jobs the public "can't judge you for" only as long as you tried to get a "real career" but couldn't and had to be forced into stripping. Because then they can feel sorry for you as "one of their own" that's just fallen on hard times rather than some strange creature that's obviously outside their moral zone because you chose to strip.

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    Years ago I considered going to law school then I looked at the stats. The true story they never tell you is that law school is expensive and really only those with connections or are lucky will find law jobs. The rest will be lucky to find a good job. I saved $100,000 by not going to law school.

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    ^^^I think to be successful you have to be a passionate networker. My ex is a lawyer and he was like Ricky Roma in Glengarry Glen Ross. That man was ALWAYS promoting and working an angle. Some jobs use the JD and aren't about drumming up business. For instance, pharmaceutical companies have JDs who oversee their studies. The problem is there are only so many jobs that require a JD outside the usual places like that. So you have to be as precise as possible about what job or field you want to use it in, how much you'll have to pay for the degree, and what the demand is right now.

    I have another ex who wanted to become a teacher and I warned him to do his research because teachers are getting cut left and right. It's bad enough being underemployed but it kills me to see these people bust their asses, and take on massive debt, just to be lied to about their prospects. They could just as easily pick something else and hit the jackpot with another degree or cert.
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    Unfortunately, this is the climate we are in. For all the pushing and promoting done to bring new blood into schools the last hired will be the first fired.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/36465257

    Here are great in depth articles about the massive layoffs happening all around the country in big cities.
    http://www.suite101.com/news/massive...onwide-a228576
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    Teacher Layoffs Nation Wide

    Teacher layoffs, according to reports on the Today Show, April 22, 2010, include 15,000 in New York City, 17,000 in Illinois and 22,000 in California. Total national reports of layoffs top 300,000 teachers by the end of the school year.

    In Springfield Illinois, thousand of teachers turned out to try to save their jobs, activities including music and sports which are all being cut for budget reasons. Schools experiencing these layoffs are looking at doubling class size to upwards of 50 students in a single class. Charlotte, North Carolina is looking at around 800 teacher cut and students are concerned about the impact on their education.
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    Read more at Suite101: Massive Teacher Layoffs Nationwide | Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/news/massive...#ixzz1YG6ntgzJ

    http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/17/st...acher-layoffs/

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    New York City
    New York City Mayor announced plans today to cut 6,000 teachers from the work force to deal with a looming gap in the city's budget. Only 1,500 of those teachers would be lost to attrition. The remainder would be laid off in the most significant cuts to New York City teachers' ranks since the 1970s, according to The New York Times.....
    Wisconsin
    In Wisconsin, public workers have been demonstrating this week against budget proposals that would significantly reduce their take-home pay. Teachers and students are protesting the expected $900 million in cuts to state school aid over the next two years......
    Texas
    ....The cuts would result in an estimated 100,000 school worker layoffs, according to The New York Times....
    Los Angeles
    The Los Angeles Unified School District could be facing 5,000 teacher layoffs based on a new budget plan passed on Tuesday by LA's Board of Education, which is expecting a $408 million budget cut.
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    The link I shared about CA layoffs is from this year not years past. And, what's happening in San Francisco is not the same as what's happening in other states unfortunately. Your city is hiring but many others are not. So being willing to teach in urban areas is not a guarantee of a job. Those two stories if you check them out cover layoff in cities all over the nation. It's not that simple anymore.
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    Meh, tbh, I'm glad she sounds this way. We have enough of an influx as it is.
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    ^^^I was thinking the same thing. Let her wear her shame so we're not overrun with auditions.
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    I don't know how it is other places, but most schools in Illinois are laying off teachers. Many are struggling financially, others aren't. Even the inner city schools are laying off teachers. I know teachers unemployed for years.

    I have heard that many companies hire people with JD's but seems most who go to school for law want to be lawyers. I've never heard them say that they just want to work in other fields. Sort of like getting a Masters degree where you can use it many places. I'm finding that having a Master of Arts degree is opening up fields I never considered because of that degree. Since most people don't have higher degrees, there's less competition for jobs. However, in general there are are more jobs requiring a Bachelors than a Masters.

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    GIRL WITH REAL JOB LAPDANCES TO MAKE MONEY.SHOCKER!!!

    Sorry, but I don't see the massive deal.

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