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    Oh bullshit. Most people that work in adult are not forced into the adult industry. They want to work on the industry because they enjoy it or they like the money. If they dont want to cam then they can quit, that's always an option. Most people hate their job and do it for the money, so you aren't talking about anything new. I have friends that work non adult job and they hate it. I guess they were forced into that vanilla job too.

    I have yet to meet any cam performer that was seriously threatened. Hello, it's the internet. These customers have no idea who we are or where we live. If you are stupid enough to talk to them off of the cam site, that's your problem if they bother you. Most cam performers bitching about that break the rules so they can make money off the cam site. I've cammed eight years and have never had that issue. Know why? I FOLLOW the rules. You can also block them on the cam site, not hard to do.

    If you were so concerned about who holds your info, you should have found out before you signed up on the site. You seem to have a LOT of anger toward other cam performers and Cam4. That's your problem, stop coming on here and talking shit about other cam performers. We don't appreciate nor deserve it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Venture View Post
    Hi Jane and nice to feel the love.
    1: Many girls are forced to work in the sex industry. I have already posted the reasons why many do. Abusive boyfriends who force their girls to work in the sex industry. In Eastern Europe as well as many other parts of the world many girls ARE forced into the sex industry. Maybe google " eastern girls forced to work in the sex industry" same applies to web cam sites. I have spoken to many many girls who work on cam and not one has said they do it for love. They do it for money or out of necessity or as stated above are forced to . I do not speak for any girls or guys here I am just passing comments about every girl I have spoken to and there are many. Jobs are really hard to find in many places of the world and the wages are very poor but living costs are high. If a girl enjoys being on cam with a dildo up her ass in front of 100's of freeloading assholes all screaming shit like they just escaped from a sex addiction hospital then that is their choice and their right.

    2: I hope some if not all will agree web cam sites, like any other working related industry, have a duty of care towards their models. Are you really saying its acceptable in any work place to have some guys to try and blackmail, threaten, abuse, make false reports in order to get tokens back or get the model banned from the web site? Why would a model be any different from any other person working in a "job" ? I feel your doing a disservice to web cam models by implying that any form or abuse is acceptable just because we are web cam models. Would that shit girls have to put up with be allowed in an office job? A waitress? or any other form of "Job"

    Web cam sites hold our personal information but what do we know about cam4 and its owners? Most know nothing about who runs cam4 as its made up of a bunch of companies spread out around various countries and that's about all.
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    Kim I wish to communicate with the owners of cam4 and be supplied with the information regarding where my information is kept. Please include a contact name the address zip code and all relevant information. You have my email address so please forward onto me this information. I have no wish to email support or help I wish to contact only the owners. lets see if this information is forth coming.

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    JaneBurgess Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Being that I am a Dual National citizen of Britain and the USA the above gives me that right to freedom of speech. And yes if you knew the full facts about cam4 maybe you not say these things. I have no anger towards any cam performers many left cam4 and went to other sites after finding out what happened on cam4. You do not know the full facts and my posts did not tell the full story. All I will say is the guy who made all this bull I swatted like a fly and my posts were directed to cam4 not any performer. Yes I came here to vent about how cam4 treated me and many other girls when they faced issues on cam4. Girls on cam4 face abuse every day and cam4 tell us to report such abuse and it will be dealt with. Why have a so called support email for cam4 if its just not going to be used? A guy makes threats off cam4 and on skype. This person tells this guy unless he stops he will be reported to his company. Wtf has that got to do with cam4? Nothing as its off cam4. Most have said, including you, off site is nothing to do with cam4. This big spending cam4 asshole then goes crying like a baby to cam4 that some poor little girl is abusing him so cam4 ban this model based on shit. Sorry but that's a bullshit for cam4 to treat anyone. The model reports this asshole for abuse to many girls on cam4 and off Cam4. Off cam4, I agree is fuck all to do with cam4, but abuse on cam4 is cam4 deal when its reported.

    So 3 models reported this guy for threats made on cam4. The asshole sends in fake shit from skype, thats off cam4, and the models get banned with out any proof just fake skype logs that are easy to edit. Kim says she has screen caps of this so I give my full permission to show all here these so called screen caps of a poor little 300LB asshole thats being threatened by 3 little cam4 girls. Sorry same rules apply to guys. Don't like a girls room don't go in it and ignore the model. Guy can ignore, silence, stay the fuck away and do all these things u tell me to do he can do. He can block the girls on skype he can block on twitter he can just stay the fuck away. But no he wines like a little kid and emails kim and the girls get banned and the asshole left cam4 on his own as many of my friends turned against him when they found out. He now hangs his sorry ass over CB site. Many girls have been banned on cam4 after guys have emailed about girls scamming them. WTF spend your tokens take your chance if they think a model is scamming them don't give tokens. Most guys complain to cam4 about a girl scamming them when in fact that girl will not do wtf he asks her to do in pvt. Make the rules before u pay for a pvt guys if the model does not agree go to another model. But soon as a big spending guy sends a email into cam4 she takes the side of the poor little guy. Cam4 makes nothing from a model only from paying members who buy tokens. No wonder cam4 take the side of the guys and to hell with the models. One of the top models on cam4 left as cam4 admin did not support her and went to CB and many others have left as cam4 supports these big spending creeps who abuse girls and the model gets banned for reporting it. Jane I wish U would speak to many others before dissing my posts. Many many will tell u the same. Do you cam on cam4? I think not.

    Infact as I am typing this another model is on my skype pissed off as she got a warning email after some asshole complained she left when her goal was reached! NO kim she left as cam4 is as buggy as shit so she crashed and could not get back on cam!

    quote "I got a nasty gram for cam4 and told me I could be banded if I keep on changing the goals wtf me blame if cam4 crash me
    [01:49:16] NAME EDIT : and it was a gold member and they listen to him and i don't think he was tipping"

    Have a real good day now and hope you make a ton of money. I respect your right to post what you like please respect mine. We can agree to disagree thats a simple truth in life. Peace.

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    Just a small post to let you know cam4 models take tokens to have shows on skype and cam4 know about this fully. All cam4 don't allow is models to advertise paypal on cam4 as if a model uses paypal they don't get the money. Jane you are very wrong about skype being off site. Cam4 have banned many models after some creeps complain that they did not get the skype show they payed tokens for. Cam4 give the tokens back to the member. So if skype is off cam4 limits and cam4 have no jurisdiction over models doing shows on skype then why ban them and give the tokens back to the crying members? Kim I hope you can answer this as I know many girls who have had their tokens given back to members after they have had skype shows off cam4 limits.

    Kim Question, why does cam4 take the tokens away from models if a member complains about a poor skype show from a model? She says it was good he says it was shit so u take the tokens away from the model. Kim I know this is true. How? Cam4 did it to me a few times thats why. I had good skype shows then the creeps ask for something we refused to do as my skype show rules are very clear. So cam4 give the creep back his tokens. WTf is that fair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Venture View Post
    JaneBurgess Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Being that I am a Dual National citizen of Britain and the USA the above gives me that right to freedom of speech.
    Free speech doesn't protect you from being told to shut up. It protects the government from telling you to do so (and even that freedom is somewhat limited). The constitution has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. The ignorance is making my brain explode.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Venture View Post
    Kim Question, why does cam4 take the tokens away from models if a member complains about a poor skype show from a model? She says it was good he says it was shit so u take the tokens away from the model. Kim I know this is true. How? Cam4 did it to me a few times thats why. I had good skype shows then the creeps ask for something we refused to do as my skype show rules are very clear. So cam4 give the creep back his tokens. WTf is that fair?
    Now you are bringing up legitimate concerns and issues with cam4... I advise you just quit cam4. You obviously have many issues with it's faults. It'd be for your mental health (and ours) to just leave cam4.




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    Quote Originally Posted by qurl View Post
    It'd be for your mental health (and ours) to just leave cam4.
    AMEN!!

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    Duh about Paypal. I haven't seen any cam site that allows you to take funds away from them and use PP. As for Skype it should be known that if you chose to do a show on there the cam site can't monitor if you actually did the show. They can't see your Skype to see if the show actually happened. If a customer did complain about it, then yes they usually give the money back. That's the risk you take when you do a show off of the cam site. Not sure how anyone can be shocked by that. I'm sorry but there are shady cam performers just like there are shady customers.

    I also have the freedom of speech to tell you to shut up. If you don't like camming, then don't do it. Don't come on here and talk crazy about other cam performers. You don't seem on top of your game and that's your fault. Yes I do cam on there and I have no issues. I control my room, I chose to do what I want and I DONT do shows via Skype. No one had threatened me because their ass knows better and I also would just block their dumb ass if they did. I won't post on and on and on about how they suck and all my issues over and over again. I would QUIT the site, stop talking badly about other performers and move on.


    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Venture View Post
    Just a small post to let you know cam4 models take tokens to have shows on skype and cam4 know about this fully. All cam4 don't allow is models to advertise paypal on cam4 as if a model uses paypal they don't get the money. Jane you are very wrong about skype being off site. Cam4 have banned many models after some creeps complain that they did not get the skype show they payed tokens for. Cam4 give the tokens back to the member. So if skype is off cam4 limits and cam4 have no jurisdiction over models doing shows on skype then why ban them and give the tokens back to the crying members? Kim I hope you can answer this as I know many girls who have had their tokens given back to members after they have had skype shows off cam4 limits.

    Kim Question, why does cam4 take the tokens away from models if a member complains about a poor skype show from a model? She says it was good he says it was shit so u take the tokens away from the model. Kim I know this is true. How? Cam4 did it to me a few times thats why. I had good skype shows then the creeps ask for something we refused to do as my skype show rules are very clear. So cam4 give the creep back his tokens. WTf is that fair?

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    Qurl - in response to your highlighted quote -

    Tips are refunded only after an investigation is done and we believe that the tip should be returned. If a performer opts to take their show out of the site we have no way of knowing that show was done. Currently if a show is done in Skype and someone writes with a complaint that tip will be returned. However, the model also has the option to dispute that refund by providing us with proof the show took place and on more than one occasion we have reversed a refund. Refunds are based on the facts we're presented with, not on the amount of tokens someone purchases.

    Please note: When performers write to us an ask if Skype shows are permitted we're upfront in telling them that shows done outside of the website cannot be verified so if a complaint is received a refund is issued automatically. We always suggest they use the private show software or a gold membership to do private shows within the site.

    As for bans - as a business it is not in our interest to remove either performers or tippers, however, there are times that it is necessary if we are presented with proof of behavior that is contrary to the good of the site. Typically a single complaint will result in a warning, if complaints are received from multiple members (performers or tippers) of the same type of behavior and the warning is ignored the account is removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim - Cam4 View Post
    Qurl - in response to your highlighted quote -

    Tips are refunded only after an investigation is done and we believe that the tip should be returned. If a performer opts to take their show out of the site we have no way of knowing that show was done. Currently if a show is done in Skype and someone writes with a complaint that tip will be returned. However, the model also has the option to dispute that refund by providing us with proof the show took place and on more than one occasion we have reversed a refund. Refunds are based on the facts we're presented with, not on the amount of tokens someone purchases.

    Please note: When performers write to us an ask if Skype shows are permitted we're upfront in telling them that shows done outside of the website cannot be verified so if a complaint is received a refund is issued automatically. We always suggest they use the private show software or a gold membership to do private shows within the site.

    As for bans - as a business it is not in our interest to remove either performers or tippers, however, there are times that it is necessary if we are presented with proof of behavior that is contrary to the good of the site. Typically a single complaint will result in a warning, if complaints are received from multiple members (performers or tippers) of the same type of behavior and the warning is ignored the account is removed.

    Kim
    Kim I thank you for your response. I personally never ever take shows onto skype (I actually really like your new private chat feature). I was just saying this was a more valid cam4 concern that what Miss Venture was talking about before. Some sites will allow offsite shows and never refund a custie who complains about then. This info has solidified my decision not to take shows off cam4 onto skype.

    Thanks for the info and explaining the policy regarding skype shows!




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    "Help! I have been BFFs with this tiger for 2 years. He was my BFF! But yesterday, whilst I was playing around with his tail, he bit me in the ass!

    Wait.. You're a professional tiger tamer for a living? I am so sorry that you need the money that much that you would resort to having to train tigers! How many would do that if they had $1million?...

    But anyways, I hope that you will now listen to my lengthy tale about how this tiger bit me so hard whilst I was playing with his tail... What?! Why aren't you listening to me?! You are biased towards tigers biting peoples asses!"


    You see my point?

    Miss_Venture, stop playing with the tiger, (be happy it ditched you for life if you hated it!) and stop pestering the professional tiger trainer.

    Look for a different animal - one that you get along with - and put all your attentions on that, instead.
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    Incantatious you stated "Miss_Venture, weren't you banned from cam4 altogether? " how would you know the status of any of my accounts unless cam4 leaked anything? I stopped going live on cam4 way back in may 2013 as I voted with my feet and did not agree with cam4 supporting abusive members who make up fake emails and toss them into cam4 and they trust these fucktards. I dont give a flying fuck about cam4 and never ever want to or will cam on that nasty fucked up site again. So no I do not want to be welcomed back nor have any wish to ever cam on their again.

    I was one of the top girls on cam4 and always made top spot on page 1 and made on average 150$ for an hour on cam each and every time as as well as between 2000 and 4000 people in my room so if I was so shit why would I have so much support? Get a grip please. Included among my best, online friends, as well as having them all on skype, are the other top girls on cam4. These names are not secret and I have no wish to use their real names but girls like (name edited) who was a top gold star girl on cam4 quit cam4 for the same issues that alot of us girls suffer on there. Now she hates cam4 and is on CB and doing well.

    Now coming to the main point. Girls complained about a certain guy on cam4 who was a gold member and a big spender. I sent in complaints about him and many girls did as well. He was left to carry on his shit and sent in fake emails to kim crying like a little baby. Kim emailed me warning me about some shit he sent in and I thought wtf and so did other girls.
    I sent kim back a email asking wtf this is all about as this creep is abusing girls on site and offsite.

    One of my brothers came back from serving over seas and saw what this little shit had been doing so he sent this creep a skype msg telling him if he did not stop he would email his company about his actions. Being an Arab and a Muslim he is not supposed to even be on cam4 as its against his company policy as well as his religion. Telling me how happy he is USA and British soldiers are being killed by the Taliban in the name of Islam then going on cam4 watching naked girls and all that shit. Sorry thats bullshit! Thats why he uses a VPN to hide while he abuses others.

    So after this Bullshit warning from Kim the following day I left for the week to promote the gay pride weekend in Leeds UK and was not even on cam4! Yes I was on skype via my cell phone but not talking to this little shit.
    While I was in Leeds I noticed the CAM4_UK so called admin had unshared me on skype so I thought something was up as this admin asked for my home address as well as got so far up my ass he could not get any further kissing it.

    When I came back home I found another bullshit email from kim stating she had received other complaints about me. This was totally impossible, unless someone else used my account and thats not likely.

    So my point is I was done with cam4 the moment kim took the side of some creep. Other girls moved to other sites as well over it. Kim ask (names deleted) the list goes on plus over 2500 followers on my cam4 friends lists as well as over 70k of followers on my old twitter account. Can they all be wrong? Most knew about this creep as I told them about the issues. I was told to email Kim as someone who is very close to Kim so i did. A fat lot of good that did.

    Kim had no right to close my account, based on this bullshit fake crap he sent in even though I was done with cam4 anyway and my friends all knew this and steal my last remaining tokens. So no I do not want to ever cam on cam4 again I made that clear by my last cam show way back in may 2013. 100's of gifts from guys who support me, 100's nice msgs on my chat wall. Kim you supported a guy that is a fucking creep and as u did nothing about him we did and drove his ass out of cam4. Like i said before 2 years on cam4 on and off, 20 years as a fashion model. Helped start and setup one of the first web cam sites 10 years ago and not one single issue until this creep came along.

    Kim you got played by this creep simple fact. Look at your model count? Well down as many are sick and tired over this bullshit. How many girls on cam4 make 150$ for an hour or so now? Not many. How many girls make 4000 views? Not many. Cam4 have killed the site the moment they went for mass users to generate income from advertizing. Cam4 is freeloaders and freaks heaven now simple truth.

    Kim its impossible to ban someone from cam4 in any case. Yes you can remove the profile of a model but cam4 can never ban anyone from it. I noticed my miss_venture profile is still live on your data base. How about deleting it altogether?

    Someone gets their profile removed for bullshit reasons. They just come back on another name and carry on talking to their friends simple. Kim how can you prove anyone that has their profile removed and comes back on another name is really the same person? You cant so its futile trying to ban anyone.

    Jane i am not looking for support from anyone here I am over the age of 21 and can look after myself. Every one here is just a person online not real life. But I 100% support you all for your right to your opinions and to bash my posts thats cool but does it effect me? Nope not one bit. Rather u bash me then someone else who wishes to vent a view.

    Jane with the greatest respect to you I checked your cam4 profile and seems your not doing very well on cam4. I wish you luck and hope it picks up for you. Maybe i will get one of my guys to send you a gift as seems you do not have any. Its nice to have gifts as shows how much guys think about a girl. Jane I mean that sincerely its nice to have gifts and hope you get some soon.

    I will sit back, drink a coffee and wait for the next group of responses. Debate is a good thing right? But it does not pay my bills or support my lifestyle. But its all good keep it coming. Don't hate participate its not real life no one died.
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    Incantatious thank you for your helpful comments. I was talking exclusively about cam4 not any other sites. 150$ is good for cam4 most make shit there. What Jane makes on other sites is of no concern to me I am dealing only about cam4.

    I hope Jane makes a million $ on other sites good luck to her I hope she does well on them. But I was merely pointing out cam4 is dead man walking due to their excessive amount of freeloaders who don't tip and drive the good guys away.
    I watch and talk to many girls still on cam4 and many are making shit. What is so wrong about sending someone over to give a few gifts to Jane to show there is no hard feelings and this is not personal? I have tipped many many girls on cam4 and given them gifts. If you want to twist my words that is up to you but if u sent over a gift I would be happy to take it as money in the bank. It was just a nice gesture that was all please dont take it the wrong way.

    Many girls are struggling on sites so any gifts are helpful right ? All I see is girls saying how bad they doing on cam4 so I was just showing support by having a gift sent that is all.

    Have a great day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Venture View Post
    Debate is a good thing right?
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    You aren't "debating"
    Agreed

    @Miss_Venture, you are not a cam chica and you do not work on cam4. Apparently now you did once work cam4, even though during your (now self-deleted) introductory posts you claimed not to be a mere token whore, instead camming simply for 'fun'.

    Kim has made it very clear that she doesn't discuss model accounts publicly so you will not get the answers you seek from her here, and aside from one or two helpful posts the rest of your posts are rants about internet trolls. This forum and this thread are full of information on how to prevent key-loggers, deal with trolls, etc, and you choose to read and apply none of it, instead posting stream of consciousness soliloquies. If you want advice on how to deal with trolls, read.

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    I dont give a flying fuck about cam4 and never ever want to or will cam on that nasty fucked up site again.
    ^^^excellent choice. As such, there is no need for you to monopolize a thread for a site you do not work. If you want to learn how to deal with internet bullies, read and post in those appropriate threads. None of your issues with random Skype trolls are in any way unique to this particular site, and based upon the policy of returning credits to any customer who complains, accepting Skype shows on cam4 seems like a pretty unwise idea. It's a bad policy and chicas need to be aware of it. We've covered that, and we're moving on now.

    If you continue to monopolize this thread with second hand stories and generalized rants you will be permanently removed from this site because ish is getting ridiculous. It ends here and now with this post.
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    Loveshooks thank you for your eloquent reply. I am fully aware kim will do shit about my posts I am not as stupid as I am playing myself here. I have stated that there is not much I do not know about how to handle guys who abuse. Remember I said I helped start the first live model web cam site so am fully aware of the issues. My point is very clear. On skype I have many following me and they read my posts. I am big enough to defend myself against these creeps and idiots but many models are not. Many do not speak English or type it very well and they need help to deal with these type of guys. My point has always been when a Model complaints to kim or cam4 they do not take it serious as many many girls have told me this and provided emails to this effect. The point some are missing is when a model does report abuse, as thats why the abuse button and the support email is there for, why take the side of the abusive guy and not the models? My previous posts were just rants to get the attention of the group and they sure worked well. Thats why I deleted them as they were a smoke screen to lead onto the main points. So now we have many many gurls posting here and thats a good thing right? The more bashing I get the more debate can be had and thats what a forum is about right?

    From now on all my posts will concern relevant points about cam4 and how they treat models. If you want me to bring over many many models from cam4 as well as members to ask questions about cam4 then this can be done. Cam4 has be warned by many trading bodies to clean up its act or face being shut down so surly that is a debate that is relevant? Among many others.

    Kim I gave you the full skype name of the fake cam4 Greek admin who uses twitter to get girls to send him naked pictures after telling them he is the cam4 admin for Greece. I gave you his twitter name his skype name and his cam4 name yet he is still on cam4 faking girls to contact him on skype and twitter in order to fake them into posing naked for him. Why is he still allowed to do this when U have all the relevant information to ban him? Sure he can just come back on a new email and a new name but that's not the point. It would take me less then a day to have his account removed from twitter and skype. Kim u can act on cam4 concerning him and we can deal with him on twitter and skype.

    *me shakes head*

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    Cherry I am happy to either post a screen shot of him asking for my home address as well as the Dm from twitter asking me to contact him on skype and he 100% is a cam4 admin as he does the cam4UK blogs and twitter. I reported this to him as well direct and he did nothing.

    He asked. He did NOT tell you where you lived. Which would be a threat. Grow a thicker skin, cause many will ask many times over & over again for phone numbers, real name, address & skype.

    It is always a mistake to give out a number to bring in more tips, cause it does make them think they have more than a chance. EVen if it is a throw away phone or sims card. You say you do it for fun, but clearly for TIPS aka MONEY he got your skype address & phone number which guess what? makes you a cam girl doing it for money just like the rest of us. Sooooo please stop acting like you are better than the rest of us & doing it as a fun time hobby.

    Cause honestly if you truly felt threatened & since this is just a fun hobby you would stop doing it & find something else to do in life for fun.
    LMAO if girls fall for guys telling them they are admin for a cam site on twitter & they fall for it is on them.

    At some point in life, you need to take responsibility for your own actions.
    You can't complain to a cam site for stuff their member do off of it like SKYPE! When you decided to take the relationship off site it was your choice. When you decided NOT to block him on skype even after threats, it was YOUR choice.

    To assume we all must do this because we are forced into it & YOu ONLY you did it for fun is just bananas.
    I love camming. Just because I love my job & do well at it doesn't mean I will ever do it for free.

    And to think you were a top cam girl because you made $150 an hour, laughable. While I have never worked for cam4, I can tell you there are plenty of cam models who make more than that per hour. Don't get me wrong it is good money, but hardly top girl money for a cam girl.
    Since you don't work for cam4 anymore I fail to see what goes on there is any of your business. You don't own the company, you don't have stock in it either. Please for your well being just move on. If other models/friends have issues with that particular company, guess what they can either work it out with admin or work for a different cam company.

    Some how I make money on cam withOUT ever giving out skype or my phone number.
    If you are looking for justice & fairness, welcome to the world. It often isn't.
    Be happy the checks cleared & have fun.

    Smooches,
    Sam



    Maybe this isn't for you.
    Also if you are a model wouldn't this hurt your career?

    Sam
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    Well Hi Sam and thank you for your comments. I am sorry but most of what you said is wrong, with the greatest respect.

    Point 1: You said " LMAO if girls fall for guys telling them they are admin for a cam site on twitter & they fall for it is on them."

    My reply, this guy is 100% a cam4 admin and works for cam4_UK I have his email and skype as well as his twitter. He is not a fake admin he is 100% for real. Ask Kim about the @cam4_UK admin.
    Being a cam4 admin, I feel he should not even ask for a models home address when that model has a working relationship with a cam4 Admin. I know him only from cam4 so would never give my home address out to him.

    2: Sam again with the greatest of respect I never felt threatened by this idiot if u read my last post I stated most of what I put about that was a smoke screen to get to the main issues. Those issues being some retarded idiot fakes emails and gets others to send them into kim at cam4. So kim she sends out emails to the models based on bullshit fake emails sent in by a creepy freaky turd of a guy. Come on what threat is a model to a 300LB guy? Any guy that fakes emails complaining that a MODEL is threatening him needs a good kick in the ass. He had the same choices as me to block me, not come to my room, not msg me and all the things you said I can do. One rule for me and one for him? What a pussy emailing cam4 about some little cam4 girl making threats to him. Oh please come on lol.

    Point 3 : 150$ an hour on cam4 is a big amount considering alot only make 20 to 30$ for hours. 150$ an hour is nothing to top girls on other sites or in the modeling world I totally agree. But I am talking only about cam4 and cam4 only.

    Point 4 I would love to talk to all of you in private as this site prevents me putting names and emails and stuff but soon I will make another web site and post the whole lot on there including emails from cam4 to us girls.

    I have posted my twitter account and my skype ID to discuss this fully come chat and find out the real deal. Come to my skype room where many others know the deal on cam4. Go look on cam4 and find out how much the girls make there. You will be shocked how shit it is with the freaks, retards and freeloaders. Thats unless you have been there already and left it.

    Sam 20 years in the model business I have a very thick skin but many girls do not and cam4 treats most girls like shit there when they complain. Those girls are who I am doing this for not so much me.

    Kim and girls u know whats funny? I wrote a 3 page document that cam4 asked me to write on the feedback and ALL my points have been implemented now on cam4. Thats a good thing right? Girls can now have more options.
    Keep on bashing me that is ok by me. Bashing me here just makes me stronger.

    Sam I wish you every success in the field you chose to work in and I really hope you make a alot of money.

    Please remember I did alot of behind the scene work on cam4 so see it from a models view and cam4 view.
    If you knew what information I was asked to find out about models and pass on its shocking. I never did pass it on!

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    Why are people still giving this chick the attention she is clearly desperate for?

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    that was interesting

    I just want to clarify why a member has been banned. The member was not banned for criticizing a cam site, the ban was based on two factors:

    1) repeatedly disregarding moderator requests to not monopolize a thread with generalized stream of consciousness posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Venture View Post
    My previous posts were just rants to get the attention of the group and they sure worked well. Thats why I deleted them as they were a smoke screen to lead onto the main points.
    um....yeah. Posting insults to gain attention is not ok here.

    something helpful did come out of this bizarre threadjack though...

    1) chicas who work cam4 need to be aware that they perform Skype shows at their own risk. Frankly I think the cam4 policy is horrible but it is what it is. At least it's out in the open here now that chicas who perform Skype shows with cam4 customers risk having their funds refunded to any loser who complains.

    2) anyone can create any Skype or twitter name they choose. I could change my own Skype account name to 'Cam4' if I wanted. The important name is the underlying Skype handle, the one located on the profile page. That can't be changed at will.

    I'll probably add some threads on how to deal with trolls/bullies at some point today for anyone (ahem) who wants to read them.

    edit: I just reread through some of the more rational posts in this thread, and there is already a ton of info right here regarding how to deal with (and disengage from) internet trolls and bullies. Thank you to everyone who posted useful information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    that was interesting

    I just want to clarify why a member has been banned. The member was not banned for criticizing a cam site, the ban was based on two factors:

    1) repeatedly disregarding moderator requests to not monopolize a thread with generalized stream of consciousness posts

    2)

    um....yeah. Posting insults to gain attention is not ok here.

    something helpful did come out of this bizarre threadjack though...

    1) chicas who work cam4 need to be aware that they perform Skype shows at their own risk. Frankly I think the cam4 policy is horrible but it is what it is. At least it's out in the open here now that chicas who perform Skype shows with cam4 customers risk having their funds refunded to any loser who complains.

    2) anyone can create any Skype or twitter name they choose. I could change my own Skype account name to 'Cam4' if I wanted. The important name is the underlying Skype handle, the one located on the profile page. That can't be changed at will.

    I'll probably add some threads on how to deal with trolls/bullies at some point today for anyone (ahem) who wants to read them.



    I appreciate the work you do here loveshooks.... putting it lightly. :3




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    This thread gave me a major head ache so I just stayed away. Halaluah it's over and it can go back to normal!! Thanks loveshooks for restoring order.
    For the love of nipples!


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    First off I haven't been on there long and clearly you are the one not doing well on there. If I recall you are the one crying on here about that site, not me. I don't care about gifts sent on a cam site, nor comments. I care about quality cam shows and making money my way. Like I said I run my room, not the customers. You should try it sometime. It's also not the main site I work on.





    LH edit: Jane you totally have the right to defend yourself so I didn't touch that. I have removed the more biting commentary in response to her last unkind post towards you though. The ban hammer arm gets tired after a while...we'll re-ban her as many times as it takes but let's not make it irresistible for her to return.
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    yea she was irritating but she is gone so lets let her rest in peace

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    Anyone else having problems logging in or after u manage to get logged in it boots u off and it tells u to refresh? Anyone having those problems cause it is driving me crazy and I decided its not worth putting up with :-(

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    I cammed about a week and a half ago and the bonus has not shown up yet. Tips have though. Is this normal?

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    Hello Ellie -

    Have you heard from Adriana? I want to be sure you were signed up for it. Usually everything should be posted to your account no later than Thursday. Did you start midweek perhaps?

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