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    I figured as much, but I just had to ask Thanks for answering!

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    You're more than welcome hon.. any time..

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    Pretty sure PP wont be added. PP doesnt want to be used for most adult transactions, its a high risk on their end.


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    I've been working the site fairly consistently for the past 9 months. These are my opinions and I'm not going to hold back for fear of embarrassing Cam4 reps.

    It's a very strange site, and very difficult to hustle. I did horribly the first 6 months. I vowed to quit and did quit three dozen times out of frustration. Only the hourly bonus kept me going. Even after 9 months I still have trouble, but I did find a couple decent tippers who occasionally make up for numerous $5 days. I definitely cannot survive on Cam4 alone. Sorry Cam4 reps, but even after 9 months of weekly camming the great tippers just aren't there. It's very hit and miss. There are tons and tons and tons of freeloaders barking commands at you.

    Take everything you know about performing and toss it out the window. Nothing that works reliably on other sites seems to work reliably here. Find a hustle that worked today? Great. Tomorrow it won't work, so now you try something different. What works is unpredictable. The only real working strategy is to build up a subscriber following. That takes time, consistency, and working social media sites. The Cam4 "performer training" often mentions building up a subscriber following is important. Subscribers are important elsewhere too, but on other sites it's just not as critical. I made money on day one on Streamate even with no subscribers, no fans, and no prior history. I've done this on other sites: LiveJasmin, Cams, and Chaturbate, but that was not the case with Cam4.

    There's only two reasons I keep working Cam4. 1) Their fast bank payment method. 2) The 50-59% payout.

    The bank payment is very nice. You can cash out whenever you want, and you get the money between 3 to 6 business days. Three calendar days are for tokens to clear a probation period. Three business days are for Payoneer to bank transfer. And best yet, I'm tipped with tokens a customer purchased a week ago, then they already went through the probation period, so I could get them as fast as 3 days (instead of 6).

    Frankly, I think sites that payout 25% to 35% are abusive. Cam4 is very fair with their payout rate. The 50-59% payout is approximate depending on what token bundle the customer buys. The more tokens they buy, the less they pay for them, so the payout ratio changes.

    A few other comments.

    Cam4's interface is nice. You can block people even if they're offline (a perpetual annoyance on Streamate).

    I rarely get privates, and I can count on one hand the number of privates I've gotten. I don't do very well with token shows. I make the most by selling Skype shows for tokens. However, Cam4 customers have a considerably lower tolerance for pricing. I end up charging 50% less than what I do on Streamate. Despite trying, I can't entice Cam4 customers to pay more. However, it's not too bad because Cam4's payout makes up for a lot of it.

    When I set my prices for Skype shows, I only care about the net rate I receive (not the gross rate). So, my Cam4 net rate is about 25% less than the net rate I receive on Streamate. It's also lower because I align my prices to the bundle prices Cam4 sells. They sell bundles in 50/100/250/500/1000 tokens. 250 tokens would be too much, so I drop down to the next level: 100 tokens. Also, generally we charge less for block shows than minute shows, so a 25% reduction is pretty reasonable if you think about it that way.

    Another major annoyance is the number of customers who keep harassing you to accept PayPal. It's unbelievable how many customers I've turned away because I refused to break the rules and expose myself by going offsite through PayPal.

    Cam4 reps: Please find a way to accept PayPal as a payment method. You're leaving tons and tons and tons of money on the table. A lot of the customers are Europeans without credit cards and that's the only way they can pay.

    I think Cam4's weirdness stems from their history. If I recall correctly, it originally wasn't a token site. All the performers were "enthusiasts" who performed for free, so I think that set an expectation that's been hard for Cam4 to shake even after all these years. When customers are trained to expect free stuff, they are more difficult to convert to paying customers.

    As for customer support, I contacted them a few times for various things. My questions and problems got answered and solved quickly so they're good on support.

    As for chargebacks, I did end up losing some money from chargebacks. It only happened twice in 9 months. The total chargebacks to total earnings ratio was about 1% to 1.5%. Hardly noticeable to be honest. Chargebacks only happen during the 3 day probation period. After 3 days, you're protected.

    So, given all the roses and thorns, would I recommend you to signup to Cam4 as a performer?

    Yeah. I guess. Give it a go.

    But remember it's an odd one. If you need a secondary site to work, it's good as a backup. It won't be your primary until after you've built up a fan list so don't expect to be working it as your main site out of the gate. Also, the payout is very favorable so I really like that part. Overall it's a difficult site that requires a ton of patience.

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    Hello Ms Jane.. long time no see hon.

    We are actually looking into getting Paypal added as a payout method. Fingers crossed.

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    Hello Ms Jane.. long time no see hon.

    We are actually looking into getting Paypal added as a payout method. Fingers crossed.

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    We'd be extremely interested to see how that goes. The recently started spamming me to re-open my Paypal after they closed it when I did my inquiry on the matter a few months ago.

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    Hello Katy,

    I will let you know as soon as I know more information.

    Kim

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    Hi Kim. How are you?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kim - Cam4 View Post
    Hello Ms Jane.. long time no see hon.

    We are actually looking into getting Paypal added as a payout method. Fingers crossed.

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    I'm doing well Jane.. how are you doing? Ready for fall?

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    I am ready, so over the AZ summer. I also popped on the site and realized I have $137 I never cashed out, so I just did. I also broadcasted a few minutes and was tipped 35 tokens which equaled $3.50. So Im guessing we are paid a dollar per every 10 tokens. Is that right?




    Quote Originally Posted by Kim - Cam4 View Post
    I'm doing well Jane.. how are you doing? Ready for fall?

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    I know, I'm so glad Autumn is here and am praying for LOTS of snow here this year. Last year we were like in the Bermuda triangle - snow all around us but not on us.

    And yes.. 1.00 per 10 tokens.

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    Kim,
    I have not received my bonus payment come through yet, can you look into this for me?

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    Sure.. did you write to me today Femme? I know I've heard from two people today and I am looking into theirs.

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    New problem with cam4. I have this guy who keeps harassing me during my shows. I ban him and then he comes back with a clone account. Ban that and he keeps coming back. He's made about 15 accounts. I've reported them all and asked customer support to do something--no response. And he's not even a tipper so it's not like there's a reason to tread lightly with him.

    This guy is SERIOUSLY fucking with my ability to do shows. I can't keep him out of my room. And he's too sneaky for moderaters to figure him out because they're not usually aware of his M.O.

    I really wish I could ban him by IP address. If he keeps doing this, I may have to quit cam4. I'm not making enough to make this shit worth dealing with. I could just focus more of my attention on streamate and chaturbate.
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    Hello Bristol,

    I'm sorry to hear you are having an issue. Without knowing who it is or any of the background it's hard for me to comment. Please feel free to email me the details at [email protected]

    Have a great weekend everyone!

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    Just had a killer hour on cam4. SM was super slow for me because of NFL I suspect, so I thought why no try Cam4, I have the bonus and Ill at least make a few tips. Bam hit a small whale there! Whats our term for a small whale? Tuna? Cod? regardless thank you cam goddess!

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    Thank you for sharing your experience Femme! Let me know how you continue to do hon..

    Kim

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    How do you get traffic on the site into your room? I log in and I get like 15 guys if I'm lucky.

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    I don't do anything to direct traffic, I let them take care of that. Ive actually found a bitchy personality makes me more cash their than a sweet one

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    I been working on Cam4 for almost a year but today I received a PM from Cam4 admin saying Welcome to Cam4. Lol weird.

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    *laughs*.. You know Femme.. I've noted that. I think they like a challenge at times.

    Sheshe.. It is just a friendly hello from us to you to let you know we're here if you need anything!

    Have an awesome weekend Ladies!

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    I am new in here, I applied for a cam4 account a few days ago, but unfortunately my account has been shutted down by CAM4 2 minutes after , I would like to konw the VPN service cause problem? i living in china,i have to use VPN to sign up with any modeling acount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cat2015 View Post
    I am new in here, I applied for a cam4 account a few days ago, but unfortunately my account has been shutted down by CAM4 2 minutes after , I would like to konw the VPN service cause problem? i living in china,i have to use VPN to sign up with any modeling acount.
    I don't work cam4, but I had this problem on another site. If your vpn is routed through a high risk country, it can cause problems on some sites. hopefully Kim will chime in, because i've always wondered about vpn use on this site.

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    Hello Cat.. If you could be so kind as to private me your user name I will take a peek at your account.

    You can send me an email at [email protected]

    Thank you Caramel.. maybe one day you will give us a whirl!

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    Guys keep asking me if "I'm game" or "got game" or just plain "game?". I can't figure out why they're doing it. I ask them what they mean by "game" but they don't respond except for one who did respond last night. He said he didn't type "game". He had no idea what I was talking about. I don't know what's going on here or if Cam4's in-chat translation has a bug.

    Or maybe "game" actually means something? But I never see it on other sites. It's really quite irritating not knowing what it is or why guys keep typing it in chat.
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